Stinkin' Thinkin'

00:00 Father, we're so grateful that we get to do this, not a cliche. It really is our heart's cry, and it's our declaration today. Father, we pray for our listeners. We're so thankful for the feedback we've been getting and the notes and the encouragements, the donations, all of it together, Lord, works together to create this amazing community that I believe is becoming a family. So, thank you for what we get to do today. And may all who listen be encouraged and inspired in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, August 5th, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode number 44. This is the life we've been blessed with.

00:42 This is a gift for you. We get to do this. This is the chance we did not miss. This is the life we get to do this. And good morning to you, brother. Hey, all the way from Big D, Dallas, Texas. It sounds like you're sitting right next to me. It's amazing. Wonders of technology. When it works, it's amazing. It does. I got to tell you, my blood is pumping this morning. I was in the bathroom. I just taken my shower. Didn't have my hearing aids in, but so I had the phone on. I'm listening to Josh Howerton on Sean Ryan's show.

01:20 So I have it nice and loud. Right. And I'm putting on my socks. And I'm like, wow, I never heard children yelling or a dog yelping in the background at Sean Ryan's show. That's kind of odd. I thought he had, you know, like a closed-off studio. And then, you know, maybe 15 seconds later, Tina throws the door open to the bathroom. Did you hear me screaming? I'm like, what? You know, then at that moment, you have to get a read on it. Like, tell me what happened now. So I can scorpion. So I can take a humongous spider. Oh, a spider this time, not a scorpion. I haven't seen one. You've had your fair share of scorpions.

02:03 We have, you know, praise God, we haven't had any scorpions this year, but I had not seen a spider this big right there, right next to the stove, you know, and Tina. She can handle a lot of scorpion, she's actually okay with, but the spider was new for her. And so it's like, I'll get the vacuum cleaner. You'll suck him up. I'm like, no, hold on. I do my old glass and a piece of folded paper trick. You know, there you go. Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy. You know, get him. Throw more. You don't want to put a heel on one of those. That'll make one serious mess. Yeah. And it's, you know, and they do good. It's gross. They do good for other things. You know, I'm not familiar with this kind. I'm just toss it over the fence.

02:46 Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, of course. And I'm looking at Phoebe who's just laying out there like, what, something happened? Like, what kind of dog are you? Your mom is yelling for help. You know, you should be coming to me. Timmy's in the well. No, none of that. None of that. I want to welcome all of the No Agenda listeners who are curious and are coming over here to check out what's going on. And I want to let them all know, be joining Darry and Darren and Larry on tomorrow, Thursday, to check in with everybody. And so I'm excited about that. And you are in Dallas. And, you know, what are you doing? What's going on? Well, you know, we just love coming to Dallas, you know, driving around.

03:30 Galleria, you know, hang out. Well, I'll ride the old galleria. Wow, it's been a minute since I've been there. But no, we're here for, we were part of a documentary called Healing Humanity, the Proper Human Diet. As you know, and maybe some of the listeners know, Annette and I, we're very focused on our health. And our goal at our age is to run through the tape and finish strong. So we focus on our health, on what we eat, what we listen to, all the diet of input, anything, any kind of input into our lives. We try to have a steady, good, positive diet on that. So we got involved in this thing back a few years ago.

04:10 I hit the carnivore diet hardcore, me and Annette both. And we saw a lot of wonderful things happen for our health. So that got us on the radar screen of this organization that was looking at doing a documentary. So they reached out to us and invited us and said, hey, we'll get a crew out there. We'll film you guys there at your church. And man, we want to hear, want to hear about your spiritual journey concerning health and the carnivore diet, Ketivore. And so that's what we did. And it was just, it was a great experience. And more than the experience of the movie documentary, it's just been the amazing people we have met in that in the wellness space, in the healthcare,

04:53 healthy space. So, yeah, so we've made a lot of dear friends and great brothers and sisters in Christ that. are just trying to take care of themselves, you know, trying to go along and live well and live a quality of life and really steward their bodies, steward what God gave us. You know, the thing we carry from birth to death is our body. And that's, I mean, that's about the only thing we carry from birth to death. So it's probably a good idea to take care of it. So that's what we're doing. So we get to, there's premieres happening. One in Dallas tonight. And then, and we're going to be a part of that. We'll be on a panel. We'll be answering questions and meeting people since we're in the movie.

05:33 And they'll show the movie at seven o'clock at this big theater. And they've been selling these out all over in Canada and America. So everywhere they go, they sell these out. So people are interested in this. And the movie's made by two YouTubers. So it's not your typical documentary. It's got more of a YouTube vibe to it. Okay. It's, but it's done really well. People are really getting a hold of this. And I've had a lot of folks reach out to me because of the movie. And after being there in person, I think that'll even be a greater, you know, our heart, you know, us. Our heart's to influence people towards Jesus, no matter what arena we happen to be in.

06:14 And you don't, it's funny how God orders your steps. You don't, you just don't have any idea when you're on an adventure with God and you're on mission where he's going to put you. So you know about it. Yeah, you know, you know, by experience. And anyone else who's really on the mission and on the on the journey realize things happen and sometimes they're not all good that at the time it feels like, wow, this, I wanted to go right, but something happened that made me go left. And then you end up right smack dab in the middle of God's will and you go, oh, okay, God was more in control of that than I thought. You know, I thought it was the devil, but yet it was actually what got me to where I needed to be.

06:55 So we're just so thankful that we get to do it. We'll do that tonight and then we'll fly to Austin tomorrow and we'll do it again tomorrow night in Austin at one of the big theaters there. And it's just our opportunity to talk about Jesus to a whole new group of people that you don't normally get to talk to. So we'll just catch the wave. We don't generate them. We just catch the ones that come by. And when God brings a wave, we jump on it. Is there a website for this for this film we can send people to? Yeah. Yeah. Healing humanity. Of course, they're all over social media, any of the Facebook IGX. You can look up Healing Humanity, the Proper Human Diet. And I don't have the website.

07:37 Actually, I'll pull it up real quick. But anyway, I'm sure they have one. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah, they do. The guy's Healing Humanity. Yeah. HealingHumanity.movie. There you go. One of those fancy ones.movie. Nice. I know, right? Right. These are, and the guys that are doing this are just good people. And here's the deal: this is not an MLM. This is not multi-level marketing. We're not selling products. I'm not. I only want to help people. That's all. That's it. I just want to help them finish life healthy and strong and live out their years of the quality of life.

08:15 So, and that's really the heart behind all of this. Nice. The documentary has a lot of high-end doctors and sharp, I mean, heart doctors, neurologists, brain surgeons, I mean, general practitioners who are all talking about this way of life, this way of eating. So I made a, I'd say, kind of, we all know, speaking of Instagram and social media, we all know how algorithms work. I think everybody knows algorithm, algo, whatever they call it. Everyone's kind of figured it out. Oh, when I watch the dog video, I get a lot of dog videos.

08:53 And exactly. And that's technically, that's incredibly, it's actually a lot less hard than you'd think for a technology company to do that. I mean, obviously, you just pause on something and it's, okay, that's a signal. It uses signals. You know, that's a signal. Right. For a long time, there's been suspicion, probably not unfounded, that it hears you, that some things are registered. We'll never really know the truth behind that because it's so obscured. But also, even if you're on a Wi-Fi network and your spouse or your friend or your family member is on the same Wi-Fi network and you're using the same app, i.e., Instagram or Facebook, it will start recommending that person's friends to you, that person's videos to you.

09:40 I mean, there's all kinds of signals that it uses. And I've been just amazed. I believe that God has an algorithm that works upside down. And upside down is everything. Everything I've learned about Jesus and, you know, it's like, oh, that's kind of the opposite of everything I thought. Somehow, whenever I most need a word, it shows up, but not on my phone. It shows up in printed text. And the one that's just been blowing me away is this devotional that my daughter gave me for Christmas, Boyd Bailey's,

10:25 I think it's God's Wisdom for Men. And, you know, and what shows up just when I need it is Matthew 14, 28. And this is Peter who is calling out to the Lord, and he's in the boat. And he says, Lord, if it's really you, tell me to come to you walking on the water. Yes, come, Jesus said. So Peter went over the side of the boat and walked on the water toward Jesus. And I was just in kind of that mode, like, Lord, you're like ahead of me. I'm trying to catch up. I'm trying to follow. And then I get this: step out of the boat, walk on the water, keep your eyes on me.

11:05 And I'm like, I find it highly probable that God had that all written down, that book. Make sure it's on August the 3rd because Adam's going to be looking for it on that date. Is that a crazy thought that I have? Not at all. I mean, listen, the intersection between God's perfect will and God's ability to get things to us and our need is mind-blowing. It's beyond comprehension. Yeah. He can get to us what we need when we need it, sometimes in the 11th hour, sometimes the 12th hour, right? When we need it. And he just has a way of doing that. And he can, God speaks. The God who spoke still speaks, but he can do it through a devotional book.

11:50 He can do it through a conversation. He can do it through a store clerk at a retail center. I've got a story about that later. I had a really great encounter yesterday with a guy at Target. But, well, I'll tell that later. But what you're saying is not, it's the normal Christian life. And it's interesting because speaking of algos, you know, our minds begin to build a grid or begin to build a filter where we begin to recognize things. We begin to recognize, wait, he speaks to me. Okay, he's spoken to me like this four times that I can, you know. So now our filter starts to lean in that direction where now we get more sensitive to his voice, whether it's reading scripture and things jumping off the page or turning the page in a devotional like Oswald Chambers or Boyd Bailey or whoever you're reading.

12:37 And it's like, how did he know? How in the world? I also often often catch myself going like, nah, you know, I'll, you know, opening coincidence. None of that's in the kingdom. No coincidence. Come on. I'll be, you know, like, sometimes it could be just be a different Bible verse that I was going to look at and didn't. And I'll hear in the back of my mind, like, really? I'm like, oh, well, wait a minute. Let me live dangerously. What is it going to cost for me to open up this page or to tap that out? And I got to tell you, 10 out of 10, it was, oh, that's exactly what I needed at that very moment.

13:18 Beautiful. It's wild. It's really, really wild. Let me tell you why this encourages me. I want to interrupt you because it's important. I've been praying for this very thing for you. I've been praying for clarity and for strategic thinking. That's been one of my prayers for you. God, let him have a clear mind. Lord, clear out the fog, the fog of war, the fog of grief, the fog of everything that's happening and the clutter and the static. And Lord, let clarity come. Give Adam the mind of Christ. That's been my prayer. So when you're telling me this, here's my grid getting fixed. Wow, God's hearing my prayers. Well, wait for it. But wait there,

13:58 there's more. There's more. So I'm thinking real hard about no agenda, how that needs to continue. And I'm seeing the grief from people. I'm seeing. Right. And they think the grief is, well, of course, everyone's grieving over John's passing, but they're really grieving over something bigger. Because, you know, there are people going back from episode one, you know, 18 years ago, and then and then creating these X threads of their impression of each episode. And within like five or six episodes, like, oh, I get it. It wasn't really about the media deconstruction per se.

14:37 It was about you guys about what we were talking about, your relationship, the crazy things I would go through. John would be scoffing at me. It was, it was, you know, it's like Laurel and Hardy or, you know. Right. you know, Lucy and Ricky. I mean, you can you can name all of these teams and Batman and Robin, Batman and Robin. I think we're a little more equal than Batman and Rob, but maybe Batman and Robin were equal. I don't know. Um, so you know, it's a it's something that literally cannot be recreated. You can do other things, and so I've been struggling, you know.

15:12 Well, what can we do? Because the producers have always made that show. And we started with, you know, 20 minutes, no jingles, no folly, no nothing, just us yapping, and it turned into something completely different. The producers, which are the listeners of that show, have always melded the direction without them really knowing it. And as I'm struggling, like, what, what can I do? What do we do with this? Mark 2:22, the row of ducks pops up for me. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins, for the wine would burst the wineskins, and the wine and the skins would both be lost. New wine calls for new wineskins. And so that's twofold for me.

15:54 Right? Again, from the written page, not an app or something. I'm like, oh, and I can, and I've even been just using this particular scripture in my conversations with people. And everyone gets this, even non-believers. Oh, yeah. In fact, one of my Andrew Horowitz, who's a Jew. And so he's probably not dabbling around in the New Testament. And I mentioned this to him. He's like, there's truth in that. There's truth in that. And so I'm like, yes, we need to not try to put new wine into an old wineskin.

16:36 We have to create a new wineskin there. Yes. At the same time, what we are doing here is also new wine in a new wineskin. So I want it both ways, obviously. I hope the Lord will hear that prayer. But especially just for that incredible group. And just as an aside, because I'm noticing how people are reacting. And I looked up the five stages of grief. Yes. Did you know that the woman who wrote that, I don't have it on hand, that she wrote it not about the bereaved, but about those dying.

17:19 And in fact, many researchers say, no, no, you can't apply this to the bereaved. I didn't know that. I always thought that that's what people who lose someone, the stages they go through. Yeah, I would disagree with some of those estimations because having gone through grief multiple times in my life, those stages are accurate. I mean, it is, it absolutely is for both the bereaved, those who are grieving, and then those who are facing death. It's very similar. And so, but anyway, yes. I mean, it's fascinating, though, that her initial take was not about those grieving the loss.

17:58 It was the person themselves. Yeah. So some people are in the anger stage right now, but some are still in the negotiating stage. Like, come on, Adam, you can just bring on Jen Briney. It'll be fine. You don't even know who Jen Bryan is. Like, no, no, no, that, that will not work. That's not what's going to make it happen. So anyway, I'm just so thankful that God is giving me this clarity. And that's just, I mean, everybody, everybody understands this one. You may be listening right now. Yes. You're not saved. You're not a believer. Be like, well, that is just common sense. It really is, isn't it? And there may be a little bit of survivor's guilt going on here on your part only because

18:42 you're still here and yet you're feeling the weight and the intensity of the grief of the No Agenda Nation, your family. For sure. And so that's survivor's guilt. And it's not that you survivor's guilt doesn't mean you want to die. It just means that you're feeling the weight because you're left behind. You're still here. And that's what you're carrying right now. And, you know, God's grace is sufficient. Over time, that'll lessen. There will be a new aberration of no agenda as, man, you know, Larry and Darren are a great job. I mean, those guys are good. They're pros, man. I mean, I was listening to them going, yeah, okay, cool. But the thing is, they can't just try to step in and replicate. No, that would not even be fair.

19:25 Right. Again, I think I said it last week. It's like Brad Gillis trying to feel Randy Rhodes' shoes. Yes. You know, for touring with Ozzy Osborne. You know, people were throwing beer bottles at him on the platform. But he wasn't Randy Rhodes. A couple of people have told me the story about Rush. I've never been a Rush head. Oh, the drummer. Yeah. When Neil Purt, Neil Purt, I think, right? Yes. When he passed. Yeah, the drummer. Yeah. Then, you know, everyone's like, okay, that's it. It was done. He's the best drummer in the world. I can never go again. I can't. I can't. They can't be a part of it. So they brought in some German drummer and

20:01 girl. Yes. And she's really good. And so, which is great, but what you get then is people will go to the nostalgia show. You know, like, hey, Rush is, oh, we'll go to the week at the sphere in Vegas. We'll go to that. But then it's just like, it's like honoring something old. And I don't want that for no agenda. I don't want that. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. Anyway, that was just really helpful to me and it really lifted my spirits. Tell me about your encounter with the retailers. That's good, brother. Well, before we segue that quickly, I just want to affirm that, man, you're walking through something.

20:38 And I want to say thank you for being public with that. I mean, you know, a podcast, when you're doing it, it feels like you and I are sitting across the table from each other and pouring another cup of black rifle coffee, right? And just having a conversation. But at the end of the day, the multitudes of people who could hear this, and God will take this where it needs to go. I mean, we're wearing our lives and our pain out on a sleeve, so to speak. So we're putting it out there. So kudos to you, brother, for putting it out there because what it does, it also helps other people who are going through similar things. And the dynamics usually are the same, even though it may be different circumstances. But you're helping people navigate their grief as well.

21:17 So way to go. And man, so applaud that and keep doing it. Let's keep talking about what the real stuff, right? Yes. And so, yeah, so we, you know, anytime we travel, we end up in Target somewhere. I mean, we just find a Target because we go, oh, we need, you got to get those little hair dryer. Tiny shampoos. Yeah, you know, your little stuff, right? I always got to get a little heavy cream, you know, for the trip. So, so we pop in over at Target. We walk in, typical Target, Dallas-Fort Worth area, you know, just it's, you know, you're trying to figure out which Target this is because they have like three layouts and you're going, okay, oh, this is opposite from the one we've been to.

21:57 So we're walking through the store. I was actually looking for some cheap headphones because that was the one thing I forgot to pack was no big deal. You're on the road canless. This is not a good idea. Canless. That was the primary purpose for the trip to Target. I was like, oh, I found some $9.99 Sony's. And they actually sound fancy. And they're tiny. I can just toss them in the bag from now on. They'll stay there. So anyway, all, you know, crisis averted. So, but anyway, so I walk up and these two kids are checking out. These young, kind of bravado type kids, you know, 16, 17, trying to be cool, very awkward, but trying to be cool to the checkout guy who's probably 17, 18.

22:40 So they're trying to be cool, you know, posturing. I call it imposter syndrome. You know, I'm just like, it's so funny watching this dynamic. And I love to watch things like this because I was that kid. So I'm watching, kind of getting a kick out of it. And I'm noticing the young man who's checking them out. He's like being super gracious and he's like being kind. And I'm just, these guys are trying to be cool. He's being kind. And then when they start to walk off, he looks at me, he says, man, you guys have a blessed day. And then they walked off. And then I just said, then I walked up and said, hey, how's it going? He said, hey, it's going great. And he goes, hey, I need to ask you something. I mean, straight up, he just literally, I mean, there's nobody else in line. So it was just me and him.

23:21 He goes, me and my associates saw you and your wife walk into the store a little bit ago. Well, that creeped me out a little bit because I realized people watch you. And he said, he said, so we're trying to figure out what you do. He said, are you a financier? Are you in the financial business? Yes. Do you buy stocks and bonds, kid? You want to get it? I'm in my workout stuff, right? So, I mean, that's on the plane. I was really dressed up in my workout gig. So I'm like, no. And I laughed. He goes, okay, man, we just, man, we were like, man, this got to be in finances. I said, and he goes, so what do you do? I said, oh, I'm a pastor. And I used to say that sheepishly. I don't anymore. I'm like, I don't care what anybody thinks. It's my life. It's what God called me to do.

24:05 So I'm not proud in a weird way, but just I'm not ashamed of it. So I'm like, I'm a pastor. And he goes, that's awesome. And then he says, he goes, you know, he's starting to check me out. He goes, you know, I've been trying to get closer to God. I went, wow, there it is. There's the door. See, this is the thing. When you're living on mission, you don't have to kick open doors. No, they open right in front of you. They open right in front of you. Somehow, people see something and it starts a conversation. And so I said, man, I am so proud of you for that. And I had told him. I said, I'm a pastor. And I said, it's the best job on the planet, man. I said, I love what I get to do.

24:45 In fact, I say this every day. I get to do this. He was like, man, that is awesome. He was just all charged up. And that's when he said, well, I'm trying to get closer to God. I really want to. And he said, I got this one-year Bible, and I've been reading through it and reading the scripture. He said, the hard thing is, is I work here at Target. And the one thing you can't, you can't have your weekends. The weekends are the big time. And we can't be all for church. And he goes, so it's been a little bit hard on me. He said, then the last church I was at, the pastor ended up being a pedophile. And so that went bad. And then he talked about another church where something happened. And then now he's working at Target while he's in college. So he's just like going, man, I'm just trying to.

25:29 And I said, listen, I said, it's going to sound weird coming from a preacher or pastor, but you don't have to have church. You don't have to wait until you can go to church to get close to God. I said, brother, you can get close to God right now, right here, right while you're checking people out. And I talked to him about practicing the presence of God. While you're checking people out in your mind, be praying for that mom that's got three kids out of control in your line. You know, be praying for that guy who walks up and he's nervous because he doesn't sure if he's not sure if he has enough money to pay for it. And he's got that look. I said, man, you can be praying for people all day long. And I'm telling you, that will bring you closer to God. I said, you'll be interactive with God. Instead of you just thinking in your mind, a monologue,

26:15 turn your mind into a dialogue and just talk to God all day long. And I said, he'll talk to you. Wow. And then, of course, you told him to listen to We Get To Do This, a fantastic podcast. No, it didn't come. No, people walked up at that time. It's time to roll. I walked out going, I should have said that. I should have mentioned that. I should have said 20 things I wish I would have said. I almost wanted to drive back over and go, hey, there's about 15. Let me give you a three-point sermon because I had more to say. But, you know, these are the things that happen in these casual moments when you're just on it on mission with God. His name is Toby with an eye. And I just said, Toby, I'll be praying for you, brother, because God, he's hearing your cry. And when you draw near to him, he will draw near to you. I said, he's probably closer than you think.

26:59 And he was like, man, thanks. This is awesome. I'm really excited when these people walked up. So good. But anyway, we walked out. Annette had walked up during the conversation. And she said, you know, I love it that when we can just walk into a place and somebody sees something, they may not even know what they're seeing, but they're seeing there's something that's tripping something. It's throwing a flag up in their own mind. Well, isn't that, you know, these guys? I think, wasn't it? Pastor Brian did a sermon. Maybe it was part of WWJD, the Walking with Jesus discipleship journey on Wednesday nights, where he was talking about the aroma of Christ.

27:39 He says, when you walk into a room, people will smell you coming. I did that. Oh, you did that? That was me. I was telling about dad using old spice. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And mom using white diamonds. You know, I mean, you can smell that stuff coming from a mile away because you go, oh, mom's in the house, you know. Yeah. So, but that's true. The scripture does talk about we carry the aroma of Christ. And, you know, aromas always get there before you do, right? That's right. So it was a sweet moment. And I just woke up praying to Toby this morning that God would meet him right where his heart's cry is. We talked about briefly about forgiveness, in particular in relation to

28:23 Dr. Anthony Fauci on the last episode. Yeah. And so we did the last show before the Senate hearing, which, as we all know, ended up in 111, I played the fifth, which was interesting to say the least. But of course, that turned into the show. And I'm like, you know, and in text groups and people I'm observing or talking to, people are like, yeah, no, we got to forgive him. One of our newer listeners, he said, man, I'm a brother in Christ, and I don't know if I'm just good enough to forgive Fauci. And we're like, okay. So I'm like marking it down for Jason.

29:05 Got to pray for Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. I really wanted to figure out what was driving him because people see him as evil, the devil, Satan, et cetera, et cetera. Now, we know he's just a man, but what he, what really, and it's interesting how not, I haven't seen this much on the news or anywhere really, because it's openly available. You know, people just like, people are lazy. Just let me grab the, let me grab. a clip from someone else saying something and that'll be it. So there were 136 pages of his, I guess he was writing his memoirs on a government computer.

29:47 And Rand Paul got a hold of that. And he was using some of that. But as I'm going through, because I'm like, I got to read this. Let me just, I got to, I mean, what an opportunity. Although it feels kind of like violation, but there you go. I know. You know, he was writing down his thoughts. And I'm like, oh, Lord, this guy fell for one of the oldest in the book. His problem was pride. Yes. I mean, I'll just read a few of these entries because it was, I mean, and I've been very prideful in my life. Whenever you are in the public eye, you know, although I will always give props to my first wife, who she really kept me in check because she inherently knew what all of the trappings of fame were.

30:37 So it didn't grab me as much. But, you know, I'm sure I was prideful just 10 minutes ago. So 2013, HHS turned me down on requests from CNN Wolf Blitzer and Solodad O'Brien. I asked John Burklow to call up Bill Hall and find out what the heck is going on and what the reason for all of this is. John told me that the CDC complained to Bill Hall and HHS that I was getting all the publicity on an issue, which was influenza tracking, and that they considered that their issue. I do not know who at CDC did this. It could be anyone from Tom Frieden to more likely Tom Skinner. In any event, it has nothing to do with my use of the word epidemic on Wolf Blitzer's show.

31:18 Everything to do with pure jealousy that I'm a rock star stealing their thunder. Shame on the CDC. I mean, I mean, now what's interesting, he's diagnosing envy in other people. Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so, okay. Fun calling the kettle black. July 21st, 2022. A couple of interesting things related to the infection of the president. It's when President Trump. Oh, no, this is when I guess, I wonder if that was Biden. Biden must have gotten the infection. I called up Kevin O'Connor, who is the physician to the president, got a briefing from him for the simple reason that when I go out on TV and I'm asked whether or not I'd be consulted, it would be rather embarrassing to say they did not call the so-called most famous infectious disease expert in the world, who happens to also be the chief medical

32:08 advisor to the president. I mean, and it goes on and on and on. And, you know, and he just loved hanging out with celebrities, and celebrities were calling him. You can just, and this is a trap that I've seen it happen to lots of people. This is a real, real, real easy one to fall into. And so, you know, so I guess what I'm asking, maybe semi-stating is that when you fall into a sin like this, this is probably where the enemy, the devil, Satan, Beelzebub, call him what you want.

32:48 That's when he dives in, like, whoa, look at this one I can take advantage of. Yeah, he's an opportunist and he uses leverage. And so when we fall, when we take the bait, remember the title of John Bevere's book, The Bait of Satan? When we take the bait, I mean, now he has all the leverage and he will leverage our pride. He'll leverage our vanity. He'll leverage our need for validation and our need to belong and connect and be seen and noticed and heard. He'll leverage all those things, which in and of themselves, some of those things aren't bad. They're just human dynamics. You know, you want to believe that you're seen. You want to believe that you're heard.

33:31 You want to believe that somebody actually listens to what you have to say. But he'll take those natural things that are not necessarily bad or malevolent, and then he will leverage them into darker places. And that is his MO. I mean, because the Bible calls the devil, it says he's the liar. He's the liar and the father of lies. There is no truth in him. That's in John chapter 8. There is no truth in him. He is a liar and the father of lies. So that's the only, what's interesting is people think the devil has real power and authority. He really doesn't. He's been defanged. Jesus won at the cross. It is finished, done.

34:13 And so Jesus took back the keys of the kingdom. However, the enemy still has one thing, and it's not a power in itself, but he can use it in a powerful way. And that is the ability to lie, manipulate, and deceive. So those aren't really superpowers. superpowers unless you've got willing participants. And so, when you've got a guy like Fauci who stumbles, he's into pride, he's into vanity, he's starting to believe press about himself, he's even writing about it. Man, that is all the enemy needs. He's already got the momentum. It's like jiu-jitsu. You know, you don't win jiu-jitsu through strength. You learn to manipulate momentum and leverage inertia to win.

34:55 And that's exactly what the enemy does. And I really like looking at the entire COVID pandemic scandemic in this light because now I can see the steps on the stairs. Yeah, okay. So you get this pride, boom, I've got that one. Then you go straight to the media. And the media, you know, they have their own sinful ways. And quite honestly, they make money by scaring people. You know, whatever it is, that's why if it bleeds, it leads. Everyone's heard that term. If you want viewership, breaking at this hour, by the way, I use that at this hour. I think it's kind of cool. The news at this hour. It sounds very urgent. You better be paying attention to what's coming next. That's right.

35:39 The art of the teas. All of that is what media, what media is. And of course, the devil is the prince of the air, the prince of the airwaves, maybe. I don't know if I can make that jump or not. No, he's the prince of the power of the air, is what Ephesians says. And so literally, you kind of go, hmm, he may have some, well, think about it. If the airwaves are full of lies, deception, manipulation, that's the mark of the enemy. That's his MO. So I'd say that's pretty accurate. So how, so for me, it's become very, and it's always hard, but it's much easier for me reading this to go, oh, okay, I forgive this guy. Man, this guy was just a minor pawn. Now, there you go.

36:24 Of course, I think you have to be careful when people say, yeah, but they were behind it. I'm like, it's a little hard for me to forgive they. Right, right. That's too abstract. You know, it's like, so go ahead. I was going to say, Annette kind of called me out last week. She heard my section on, you know, we need to forgive him. And she goes, now, wait a minute. This is my wife. I'm just being straight. This is us being real, okay? It's you and I over coffee. She said, that's too simplistic. And I said, excuse me. She said, you're talking to people who are genuinely enraged because people died. Lots of people died. Businesses closed. Church closed.

37:03 Funerals couldn't be attended. I mean, people died alone. And she said, so the weight and magnitude of the ripple effect of what he did, while he may not have directly done those things, he created the platform for that. And that's what it led to, the domino effect, I guess I'd say. And so I'm listening to my wife, you know, kind of just take me apart one thing at a time. I'm going, you're right. That is simplistic. So I did a little deep dive on something because there is something that's hard because I made the comment, well, we need to trust the justice system. I mean, that's hilarious talking to all of us about that.

37:45 But here's the thing. But I was thinking, and I should have clarified. So I want to do that now. In Romans 13, we have this, the Apostle Paul's breaking it down about what government is for. I mean, he's literally saying, this is what it's for, and it's ordained by God. Can I read this real quick? Yeah, of course. It says this, Romans 13, 1, everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities. Now, when you just read that without any context, you're like, what? And it says this, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Now, thank goodness he doesn't just stop there, or we would just go, what?

38:24 So he says this. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted. And those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. Now, everybody defaults to, well, what about wicked authority? What about people who have abused their power? Well, it doesn't stop here. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right. But for those who do wrong, do you want to be free from fear of one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. Verse four, for he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an angel, an ancient agent, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

39:08 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment, but also because of conscience. Now, if you go back up there and you break it down, you realize he's saying that if government has been established by God, then the government official, the person person who has been established in that place, has a responsibility to follow through with justice for the righteous, but also justice for the wicked. And he's saying, and sometimes Romans gets a little convoluted in its language because Paul was going, this is one of his deepest theological books. So you got to really read it. But it's literally saying if there is a government official government not doing what God required of them, and that is to reward the righteous and punish the wicked, then they are no longer under God's authority.

40:00 They're forfeiting the right to loot, to rule, and to lead. So now, that's a big statement. Coming back to how this applies to Fauci and all that, you know, as these hearings have rolled out, these Senate hearings, which you and I have called theater, and we've seen it as that for years, but they have a responsibility. It's not enough just for Hawley to get up there and nail these guys, you know, and just berate them, you know, in front of everybody. And then everybody goes home and says, boy, boy, he got his today. No, people want justice. They want justice. They want follow-through. And that is the responsibility of our government, not only to us who elected them, but also to God who appointed them.

40:43 So there is something very serious and it's much bigger than the failure of Dr. Fauci. It's also the failure of our government to operate under God's covenant. And when our founding fathers established this nation, this is what they had in mind. They understood this, that they were carrying a responsibility before God, or Ben Franklin would have given that amazing speech about our familiar friend, you know, who we were seeking. You know, he wouldn't have got back up and said, we need to get back out on our knees. And this is a man who wasn't even, quote, a Christian saying, we need God. And so this is so important to me because this brings more context into the picture.

41:23 Do I have a responsibility to forgive Fauci for what he did? Yes, but that doesn't mean he gets off the hook or gets a free pass. Forgiveness doesn't mean someone's being released from natural and logical consequences that are coming their way. I'm not giving that person a pass. Right. So I can forgive somebody and file charges against them. Forgiving them doesn't mean you walk away from it as though nothing ever happened. You know, when people are saying, Fauci, man, if you're in front of me, I'd kill him. I'd do this. I do that. You know who talks like that? You know who talks like that? Prisoners. That's prison talk. That's true, brother. That's the language. You're in a prison. You're in a prison if you speak like that.

42:05 Yeah. And it's very, brother. It's been very freeing to me. Now, the next thing I really hope people can do is forgive their family members. This is the most heartbreaking thing to me that happened during the COVID years, which may turn out to be later in the history books after we're up in heaven. Might be the spark of the would it be the third great awakening? If you think about it, because people are well, there will be no unity on this planet apart from forgiveness.

42:43 That is the turnbuckle. That is the turnkey on which everything turns. If we cannot forgive one another, we will not be in, we cannot be unified as a people. Yeah. Period. And God's not going to bring a revival where there's no unity. He actually dwells among brothers who dwell in unity, the scripture says he's there, and that's where he commands the blessing. And if it's to be, let it start with me. Come on, brother. We had my son and his family, our family, our kids, we call them and grandkids with us this last week. And we had such a sweet time. And we had some deep conversations about,

43:23 well, I don't even like to use the word politics. It's just culture in general. Call it politics, call it whatever. You call it red, blue, whatever. It's culture. It's the culture we live in. You can't get away from it. And so he's in a church that's very multicultural, which is great, which is amazing in the middle of Houston, Texas. We know Houston's got some very, very left liberal bents in terms of their city politics and things that are coming out of Houston. And so we got to talking about the vaccine because my son is very much on a health journey himself. So we were talking about health and it came up and he mentioned that they did take the vac, they took the shots, you know, and I said, man, I'm really sorry about that.

44:07 And he goes, he said, yeah, he said, we didn't know any different. He said, we were just doing what doctors were telling us to do. I said, that's a lot of people. It wasn't a political decision. It was just your doctor said, you need to do this. if you're going to fly? And they needed to fly. So they did it. But I said, Do you regret it? He goes, I regret that I didn't know the whole story. Yeah. I regret that I didn't know everything. And I was telling about our friend David, who's an ER doctor, and how many young people were coming in with all kinds of weird, strange anomalies physically that had just snowballed after the vaccines started hitting and they were vaccinating teenagers.

44:48 And he said, yeah, we've heard all those stories too. But I thought, I love that we could go there together and not exactly on the same side of the fence of that, but have a wonderful conversation of understanding and talking through. And, you know, what usually informs our ideas is context. And once you have a real conversation and you can talk about something in context, you go, okay, I can see why you did that, as opposed to, I hate you. You know, you're either woke or you're MAGA or you're whatever. It's like, I see what led up to that decision.

45:29 Whether I agree with it or not, you're almost irrelevant. You were led to that decision and informed by something. It's not decisions aren't made in a vacuum, are they? Never. There was a theory, which I still kind of follow by Belgian guy, Dutch guy, Matthias, I forget his last name, was I think it was massive mass hysteria, but it was different. I feel silly, but I can't remember it. Mass hypnosis. I can't remember. I'll put it in the show notes. But

46:13 it was a solid theory. And it works when you're at home, you're online. And now, of course, because of the work at home, stay at home, be online, we're much more online than ever. Very few people even pick up the phone anymore, myself included, text message. Tina and I will jokingly say, well, maybe we should just pick up the phone. This has been a 50 messages back and forth. Just pick up the phone. We talk about this in 30 seconds. We are now just taking into account that the enemy loves using the airwaves, loves using media to put us in a certain state of mind.

46:54 I truly believe in America, at least, there is a psychosis forming, which is not irrational from a psychological standpoint, but we need to talk about, first of all, how it's being presented, why it's being presented to us. And what I'm referring to here is: remember, when you're just looking at a screen, your whole worldview in that moment is the screen. You are not a bird that can look at the seed on the ground and look for the enemy with your other eye.

47:35 That's not who we are. You're sitting there, both synapses, both sides of the brain are firing, probably fighting with each other, trying to figure stuff out. And the one that we're going through right now in America, and maybe even particularly in Texas, because we're such a patriotic, free, open, like, hey, this is, we're Texans, we're Americans, you know, but nothing's going to happen to us, is the quote-unquote Muslim invasion. And while there is, and I want to talk about this, while there are definitely very important issues for us to look at, what is happening is this most recent occurrence in

48:21 Ceusa, which is a small little northern part of Morocco, well, North Africa, basically, but Morocco, that is Spanish protectorate. It's been that way since I think 1668 or something. And it's a tiny piece of land. Very tiny piece of land. It is about, I think, 15 miles through the ocean to get to Spain. So that's important. Look at a map and look this place up. So when you're hearing that and seeing the headlines, Europe is being invaded. 60,000 Muslims crash into Spain. So first of all, that's just factually not true. And

49:06 there's a reason for what happened. But just two quick examples of how this is being presented in the media. This is Fox News. News. They end through today. 12,000 an hour pouring in. These are military-age men. There's no women. There's no families desperate. This is such military-aged men. They did. They did this with the border, the southern border. Oh, it's military-age men. Chinese, they're coming in. They're taking over from the inside. This is being done for a reason. These are military-aged men. There's no women. There's no families desperate for a better life. What do you think they're up to?

49:47 What a great question. What do you think they're up to? What could it possibly be? Clearly, they're only here to invade. You know, Brian, this is exactly what we went to under the last administration. We saw the same incidents over and time and time again. And when you advertise amnesty, when you advertise work permits, come here, we're not going to remove you. And especially in the EU, once you come in, what they call feet dry, when you come in on the water, you can just go anywhere. You're going to attract, you're not going to attract anyone that's just coming for a better life. You sometimes are going to attract the worst of the worst. Like you said, you have military-age male. This is real. This is like, it's not even logical. Right. Well, you're here where he's going. You're only going to attract the worst of the worst of the worst. It can't be any worse than this.

50:29 Males coming from God knows where that you don't know who they are. They haven't been properly vetted. You don't know who's in your country right now. We went through that. And look what ICE had to do. Look at the brave men and women of Border Patrol had to do to go in and find these individuals and remove them. We've gone 15 months with the most secure border ever with zero releases in the country. And if we don't take a lesson from Spain, this is what we're going to have to go through again. Be afraid. We've got to take a lesson from Spain. There it is. Be very afraid. And then this is important because what we have learned without any doubt is what has happened in Europe, the European Union. It's been happening for 25 years in the Netherlands. These things do take a little while before

51:16 it's maybe irreversible. The UK, it all surrounded illegal immigration couched under the guise of asylum and asylum laws have purposely not been changed. England, the United Kingdom is an island. I mean, you can't even get a dog into the United Kingdom without putting it into quarantine for six months. I know I've had to do it. Wow. So just consider how strange all of this is. And over time, again, a quarter of a century, but I saw it happen. I saw it happen. It started in 99. What if

52:00 you have apathy and like, okay, whatever. It's like the boiling frog. And before you know it, and this is probably most prevalent in Belgium and Antwerp, then the asylum seekers now all of a sudden have government positions. And they have different background, different culture. But when they are in positions of legislative power, now you have a problem. Play one more. This is from Deutsche Vella. So this is the German report. You've seen things like this happen before. These images of all of these young men trying to get into Europe. Do people there at the border in Spain, do they ask, where are the women?

52:44 Where are the wives? Where are the mothers? Well, I think most of them are actually much too young to have mothers. Sisters. Well, sisters. Well, I think there are a lot of religious and political reasons why it would be more difficult for women, young women, particularly, to do this. But it is mostly young men. Many of these men will be, in fact, underage. And the Spanish state has an obligation to look after them until they're 18. And the services that offer that are already hugely overwhelmed in cities like Barcelona and Madrid and Valencia.

53:25 So I found that to be correct. Yeah. What I thought was kind of interesting is that there's a difference between military-age men than young men who are underage, who really may just be desperate to find something else. But that is never, that's never an option. Now, again, I understand when you look at Europe and you have people like Tommy Robinson going around all the churches in Texas saying, you have two years, you have two years, you have two years. Well, we have a different situation right off the bat. We luckily have a president who did what they said was impossible without immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform. I've heard it mentioned for 20 years. No, he just said, no. clothes were done.

54:10 It's okay. And why governments wanted this is a whole different podcast and a whole different episode of a podcast. But what really happened here is the courts made it possible. The Spanish court literally made this move by going around the fence through the water instead of over the fence, made it legal. So you have to question what exactly were there reasons for that. But that's Europe. Right now, I'm talking about the United States. Here's the problem. Here's the thing we have to look out for. This particular situation where we have an example of Europe, it's clear.

54:53 No one's going to argue that, in particular, what is called the Red-Green Alliance, where you have Islamists practiced by some Muslims combining with socialists. And the reason for that, the reason why they always connect. It's almost like the weirdest thing. Like, hey, I practice Sharia law, so I will kill you if you're gay or throw you off the roof. Right, right. But the reason why they, and you know, and women, you know, you can't show any skin. The reason why the very liberal socialist in America, it's the Democrat Socialist of America, they both, as long as the enemy of my enemy, if you are the enemy of my enemy, you're good to go.

55:42 Wow. And that is the reason. And it's like that's the thing in the human mind I can't quite comprehend. But the enemy of my enemy, I will connect with them. But this fear, this new fear, which is not completely invalid, although it's a very different situation. But when you're thrown with these images all day of 60,000 military age men, well, this could happen here. It's already happening here. There's 5,000 mosques being built an hour. This is being monetized before your very eyes. This is what we have to realize. I come from media. I started when I was 15. I was in commercial media big time when I was 19.

56:23 The way you get people to buy something is to trigger their emotions. And the minute the emotions are triggered, then you can slip in any kind of message you want and it will stick. That's how advertising works. Advertising is tell people to be afraid of something. It can be afraid of, you know, I'm never going to get that girl, so I better drink Bud Light. I mean, it's subtle, but it works. Now, listen to the Megan Kelly show. Big influence. Actually, I should probably start here. I looked up the, Christina sent me a video about this. I was like, this is fascinating. We talk about influencers. The etymology of the word influencer.

57:09 I know, but I love etymology. Yes. So late 14th century influencia. So influencia, a streaming ethereal power from the stars acting on your character and destiny without your knowledge or consent. Astrology, basically. Wow. The word influenza comes from this root word influencia because at the time, people thought the stars did this to them. So now this is so deep because it comes from the stars, astrology.

57:49 But what are influencers? They are stars. I mean, just this word alone carries so much power that we need to be careful about that. That was hidden in plain sight. And I can't believe that this word has been around us for a decade. And I've never even considered to look up the etymology of it. Anyway, so we have to be careful of the influencers. I like Megan Kelly. I've been on her show a couple of times. She seems nice. She took a kind of a weird turn at a certain point. And whatever. I mean, I have no disdain for her. But you have to realize what influencers like her are doing with fear.

58:34 This is straight from her podcast. I'm sorry, but for many of us Americans, that phrase is deeply rattling and disturbing. And the last thing we need to have it to have is to hear it broadcast five times a day from loudspeakers all over American cities, Rich. Yeah. Now, obviously, no one has a problem with Muslims praying. And every time I see it, I have all due respect for people whose faith means so much to them. But this is obviously a violation of the noise ordinance, or should be, right? And those. those hours of the day, we wouldn't want church bells ringing at 3:30 in the morning. That's crazy. And it goes, it feels to a lot of people as an act of cultural aggression.

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59:56 Wow. Well, here's my favorite one. This is Allie Beth Stuckey, who I also like. I mean, I usually like the first five minutes. I'm like, okay. Right. But she is definitely an influencer. A lot of people listen to her podcast, and here she is. And anyway, even in the Quran, you have like these beautiful servant boys in heaven, which is kind of ambiguous. And some people say it's meant to be sexually enticing. And here's the ad next sponsor for the day is Jace Medical. This is a way to stay prepared for your family. You don't want to get in a situation where you can't access the medication that you need.

1:00:37 Oh, no. If the Muslims come, you won't be able to access your medication. Oh, my God. I just want people to see it. Please, I just want you to see it. That's a great observation. Well, it's. So it was Matthias Matthias Desmet that you were referring to. Desmet. Yeah, mass formation. Yeah, Desmet. Okay. Yeah, Mass Formation Psychosis. Psychosis. That's it. Thank you. Wow. Yes. Discredit, of course, as being a quack, obviously. Now, pastors have an interesting take on this. Not a single pastor has not said we need to pray. And I'm happy to hear that. And there's a lot of pastors out there that discuss this.

1:01:21 And they use fear tactics as well, which I'm just not sure is the best way to do it. And I wanted to give an example here. This is Jack Hibbs. So to back that up, let's show you something that's going on. Let's play a little bit of scary alawakbar music. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is every Friday night in New York City Times Square.

1:02:08 Welcome to America. Since the election of Mandani, Zoran Mandani, he has been speaking more and more Arabic, and he's been speaking more and more about Sharia law in New York City. And now the call to prayer is put out by Speaker over New York City. And you don't go to Times Square on Fridays any longer in New York City. What do you think of that? All that because Christians did not vote in New York City. So there's a high probability, friends, 26% of the eligible Christians in California, 26% of them vote, which means whoever's running for governor or assembly or president or whatever,

1:02:58 the Christian vote in California no longer matters. So he's enticing his congregation to vote, which, of course, is after prayer. Of course, we need to vote. And that's for any group that we don't necessarily, you know, but voting for what? It's not just about you, senator, you state senator. It's your zoning board. If you want to determine where a mosque is built, get on the zoning board. You know, have your church vote for you. I mean, we get those big ones. Critical. Absolutely. Critical.

1:03:38 This is what didn't happen in Europe. People just, and by the way, when I was growing up, you know, or coming up, I should say, in the 80s and 90s, I wasn't, you know, I had a daughter. I didn't care at all about the school board. What, she's running for the school boy, you got nothing better to lose her? I mean, that's, you know, like, oh, I wasn't, and I'm honest about it. And I regret it. You didn't know what you didn't know. Maybe no one told me. Maybe I wasn't listening. And so Pastor Hibbs is correct, but I kind of feel like you undo the prayer part by saying, well, you better be afraid of this. You can't go to Times Square in New York on a Friday night because you didn't vote. I mean, I don't know.

1:04:20 It doesn't entirely sit right with me, but he's doing a version of be afraid, you got to go out and vote. But I would prefer that people also stand to be voted on. It can't just be a passive activity of, you know, go off and tick a box, you know. And then the one that I think most people stumble on with this next pandemic, this next mass psychosis, mass formation psychosis is, well, we might as well give up because the numbers are just against us. There is fear of upsetting that. That's one part. The second part is the rising demographics.

1:05:02 And that is the Libor, that is the left vote. You're having exactly the same problem in the U.S. with the Democrats doing everything they can to please their voting base. Doesn't matter how they destroy the country. And we have the same issue here. We had a cap on giving money to families with two children. So we give money, extra money, if you've got two children. And there was a cap that you couldn't get that child benefit if you had more than two children. But of course, Muslim families have huge, huge families, a huge amount of children. So Labor decided it was damaging their voter base to have that restriction. So they removed it.

1:05:41 So if you've got seven, eight, nine, 10 children with your four wives, that's all fine. You now get the benefits for that. So it is purely moving towards your voter base and doing anything you want. That was the Glenn Beck show, by the way. And this is kind of where people throw up their hands and go, well, we're lost. Yeah, that's it. We can never, we can't keep up with seven, eight kids. They're going to overrun us. And without a doubt, that is true in Europe, where they're missing an element that we have in the United States. And really, the one pastor I found who at least, praise God, is really

1:06:21 at least starting with the right message. And I think you and I will add one bit to that is Josh Howerton. Especially for young men, if somebody was like, hey, dude, just give it to me straight. What do I need to be doing? Here's what I would say. And I would say, pray as the leadership of the Holy Spirit, follow your conscience if it deviates from any of this. But essentially, some of these are not deviatable. I would essentially go, hey, man, if you want to live a life of extraordinary consequence, give your life to Jesus. Read your Bible every day, pray every day and act like it. Go to church. Find a cute girl that loves Jesus and get married young. I'll just, let me just side note real quick.

1:07:02 Bro, the more I'm hanging out with young adults in our church and they're like 26, 27, 28, and they're like, I'm not ready to get married yet. I'm like, what? Like, are you crazy are you crazy? Like, you're like, you're like 10 years into historical marriageable age in human history. So I just, I'm just going to say, like, in general, people right now are waiting way too late to get married. Like, biologically, like all the things. Find a cute girl that loves Jesus, get married young, have one more kid than you think you can afford.

1:07:43 I just like, let me just have one more kid than you think you could afford. And then work hard to build something great instead of complaining. You do that stuff and like you're going to live a life of extraordinary consequence. The only thing I would say to like the olds, people like me, apparently. So I like the message. This wasn't even necessarily related to Muslims, but I looked at a lot of influencers and pastors to see what they're saying and to see what we're all being exposed to. Now, if you listen to Pastor Hibbs, the one thing that neither he nor Josh Howard really connect to it, they know it, they connect to it, is multiply, which is, which is our actual job to not just multiply with making humans, but to

1:08:34 multiply bringing people to Christ. Because then if it's only 26% of Christians in California, but you triple the size and the amount of Christians, now all of a sudden you have a different picture. And that just hit me like a lightning bolt the other day as I'm like, oh man, it's right. right there. The answer is right there. We don't have to sit at home being, you know, shivering in front of the screen that the Muslims are taking over. We could never combat this. We don't have enough children. Go out and multiply people.

1:09:10 That's so good. Be fruitful and multiply. That is one of the first early commandments from the Lord for humankind. That was the whole, that was why we were put on the planet. It's Genesis 1:28. God blessed them, who's them, Adam and Eve, and said to them, Be fruitful and increase in number. Fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and every living creature that moves on the ground. And then after the flood, Genesis 9:1, then God blessed Noah and his son, saying to them, Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. I mean, these are early commands. These are some of the first basic things that we were put on the planet to do.

1:09:53 And it's interesting that some of the supposedly greatest minds in the world are panicking over the sheer number of people on earth. We're destroying the planet. There's too many people. The population bomb birthing babies. I mean, we've got to start limiting. We've got to start literally creating foods and atmosphere and circumstances where people cannot multiply anymore. So we're going to promote things that will keep you from having more children. I mean, and yet it's one of the first commands in scripture. And then you see the command in the New Testament, which is the, it's, it's the, the, the, the Great Commission?

1:10:33 The Great Commission, the apostolic command. And it literally says, go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them everything I've taught you, and I will be with you till the end of the age. So, I mean, that these two commands both have the same element, and that is multiply physically in number, and then multiply spiritually in number. Those are our commands as followers of Jesus. And so you don't have to sit at home feeling helpless. And the good news is, Jesus is trending. So you already got a point ahead.

1:11:12 People, people are. I mean, things are looking good. I was just told the other night we've been having 46 plus people come on a Tuesday night for just a six-week Bible study. Wow. And it wasn't over-advertised. It's none of our staff leading it. It's on experiencing God. And the word I got back from Blair Nevins, who's leading this, and others who've been, people are hungry. Yes. People are hungry. Even on Sundays, I've been teaching on, you know, this just one more. Just get up and go do something. People are hungry. I mean, and they're responding to these messages. So there are good things. This is a good season.

1:11:54 I don't, I'm not going to take the position of Jack Kibbs and say, like Chicken Little, the sky's falling. It's too late. We're done. Our vote doesn't count. I'm telling you, I would not have said that even if the numbers pointed that way, because I don't live my life according to statistics. I live my life according to God's word and what he promises and what he says will happen, not what some survey, which you know what a survey is worth, barely worth the paper it's printed on. I mean, let's just be real. And too many factors, too many nuances, too many agendas. So I would not have said what I know what he's doing. He was in a moment.

1:12:37 The fear was rising, could feel the room. And he just sort of put an exclamation point on it. Basically, it's too late. We've already lost California. I mean, that's what it sounded like to me. And yet you got Victor Marks in Colorado running for governor, full on for Jesus, spirit-filled. He's taking massive abuse for his faith right now, but the dude is still standing. He won the primary. I mean, he is like fighting. He just did a thing with Pierce, and Pierce just went there on all that and just tried to undo him off the camera. We all have to watch that. Oh, yeah. It was brutal. But he said, don't watch Pierce's version. Watch the whole thing because there will be the whole thing. That's another episode we have to do about editing.

1:13:21 No kidding. Yeah. But all that to say is that the reason why I say we get to do this is because it keeps my mind thinking forward, not looking downward. I'm looking upward. I'm looking towards him. The reason why Annette and I call our podcast Living Up in a Down World is that we refuse to fall into this rut of stinking thinking and believing it's all over. And basically, it steals the hope. hope out of your heart. Yes. And I will not live hopeless. There's three things that remain: faith, hope, and love. The greatest of these is love, but faith and hope. But by the way, the essence of faith and hope are the same thing. Faith is literally

1:14:06 hope. Biblical hope is the confident and joyful expectation of a desired good. That's the root of faith, too. Believing, trusting, there's going to be something good that comes. And that's the essence of the Christian life. And that's why I refuse to buy into even some of my peers, you know, my colleagues saying, you know, doom and gloom, it's over. You know, they're sounding, you know, the sirens are going off in our city. You know, fault drop, stop, drop and roll and pray. You know, I'm just, I refuse to give in to that idea that anything's over because we almost act like it's the worst that it's ever been in America. And if we know our history, this is not the worst. It's not been in America. We love hearing from everybody out there.

1:14:51 I'm not quite sure what we're going to call everybody. We get to doers. I'm not quite there. We've got to come up with your thoughts. You can always email us, adam at wgtdt.com, psjimmy at wgtdt.com. If you go to wgtdt.com, that's the sub stack. You can subscribe there. And we also love it when you send us value back. This is a value for value podcast. That's something I've been doing for almost 19 years. If you get any value from what we're doing here, we'd love to receive that back from you with your time, your talent, or your treasure. I was using that before I was born again. I had no idea

1:15:35 it was a biblical thing. And I got to tell you, so we built a website, wgtdtdonations.com. And we've been getting a lot of beautiful notes and value. And I just want to thank some people who sent it in for us today. Start off with $500 from Anonymous. Now, this person is so anonymous that he or she donated and then immediately erased all their tracks. I don't know why, but we appreciate you. Thank you, whoever you are. Thank you. Christopher Witzel sent us $100, and he has a note. Thank you, Adam and Pastor Jimmy.

1:16:15 About 20 months ago, I found God after my wife left and my young family was broken apart. I hit rock bottom and reached the point where I wanted to end it all. But a close friend shared the gospel with me, which set me on a path to where I am today, a new creation in Christ, 2 Corinthians 5, 17. I was so excited to hear on No Agenda that Adam was on a similar walk. I've been enjoying WGTDT since last year when you were arguing with JCD about the new podcast and sharing material. I remember thinking, what is this scandalous podcast that has JCD so up in arms? I will deeply miss John C. Pastor Jimmy. Your words were such a comfort in the last episode as we said farewell to a friend.

1:16:58 As Christians, we have the ultimate hope of knowing he has moved on to a better place, the very same hope that pulled me out of the valley I was in and gave me new life in Christ Jesus. It's a completely new outlook on life, and I love sharing the good news now. Chris Winzel, Spirit Lake, Idaho. That's great. I love that. I should say we're taping a little bit early. So if you got the newsletter and you sent in a note with your donation, we'll do it on next Wednesday. So you have not been forgotten. Darren Wilson comes in with what is quickly becoming a favorite donation amount, $77.77. I love that. It's great. He says, Ephesians 4.1, live a life worthy of the calling you have received.

1:17:39 Peace be with you, brothers, from Darren Wilson. $50 from ex-Vermonters. I'm deriving that from their email address, ex-Vermonters. So I just guess they're formerly from Vermont. No note. Thank you. Justin Zetzer, $50. No note. Thank you, Justin. Allison Stang sends $50. Dear Adam, it's been such an encouragement to witness you living out Matthew 16, 24. What is that, brother? What is 16, 24? I don't know. I'm not a walking concordance. I can find it very quickly. Which one is it? What? What? Matthew 16, 24. I'll find it. You're not a walking concordance. So disappointing. Like, hey, you're a comedian. Tell a joke. Come on. You should be able to do that.

1:18:24 Here it is. Then Jesus said to his disciples, if anyone would come after me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. Boom. Fantastic. Thank you, Allison. She says, thank you. Thank you, Pastor Jimmy, for being such a consistent, calm fountain of wisdom each week. Then a long note, but it's an important one, so I'm going to share. share as a last one from Carrie Scott. She sent us $41, which I think will also become a special number for the show. I love it. Adam and Pastor Jimmy, I'm donating $41 as a symbol of what comes after a 40-day season of testing, the 41st day when someone takes the first step into God's promise, purpose, or a new beginning.

1:19:06 I found this especially fitting for Adam as he walks through this season of transition. My husband Brandon has been an avid No Agenda listener since around episode 200. I've listened with him off and on since we met in 2012. And eventually I began listening to Curry and the Keeper as well. We were both deeply saddened by the loss of JCD and we sent our heartfelt condolences. I was listening to last week's episode of WGTDT and felt led to donate and share a brief testimony. I've been what I would call a room temperature Christian, cooler than lukewarm, since I fell out of sync with the Lord when I was a teenager. I'm now 35. This past February, I found myself depressed and in a very dark place.

1:19:46 One evening after going down some dark satanic rabbit holes that I couldn't seem to pull myself out of following the release of the Epstein files. Wow, a lot of people have been there. I heard God ask me, when I come back to free my people from evil of this world, are you coming with me? Well, there was only one answer I could give. Since that moment, I've been deep diving into God's word and rebuilding my relationship with Christ. Every night as Brandon and I are falling asleep, I rest my hand on his shoulder and pray that the Lord captures his heart and he joins me wholeheartedly on this journey of faith. He prays with me occasionally and watches sermons from Bridge Church with me from time to time, but he still wrestles with his beliefs.

1:20:25 I'd like to ask if you would join me in praying that the walls around his heart would be broken down and he would fully accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior, so he will one day join me in the kingdom of heaven. I apologize for such a long note. Love the podcast. Can't wait to see where the Lord leads it next. God bless from Carrie Scott. Wow. Beautiful. Wow. Thank you, Carrie. Wow. Thank you for your transparency. Yes. And beautiful note. I have one note to share. Go for it. This is from Joe Rojas. He's become a buddy and a friend of We Get To Do This. He says, Hey, Pastor Jimmy, I hope you're having an amazing day. The thanks really goes to God, but I wanted to acknowledge your part in my life.

1:21:05 And then he says this: Joe Rogan led me to Adam. Adam led me to No Agenda and JCD. Adam led me to you. You have had a profound impact on my life, showing me all the church, all that church can be. I prayed that I'd find a church like yours, and the Holy Spirit led me to Grace Church here in West Bridgewater, Maine. I went for the first time today to check it out, and I immediately found myself overwhelmed with the presence of God. It has a similar format to what I've watched in your church. I'm excited to go back and take my whole family this next Sunday. I pray that someday I find my way to Fredericksburg so that I can shake your hand and say thank you in person. Thank you, Joe Rojas, for writing in that note. These notes encourage us beyond what you would know.

1:21:49 And they also, God uses them to confirm that we're on the right track, that we're doing what we're supposed to be doing. Amen. All right. Land the plane for me, brother. All right. Go. Well, that's a good landing. Oh, I got one. Hang on. Hang on. I just remember this. Here's what we get to do. This is. We are doing life at the crossroads of culture and Christianity. There you go. Yes. That's it. It's a little long for my t-shirt, but I like it. It's not a band name. I know, right? That's what we're doing, though. We do life, man, right where culture and Christianity, right at the middle of the cross, the crossroads.

1:22:31 Subscribe to our newsletter, wgtdt.com. We really appreciate everyone who's listening, and we're excited to see where this goes. And I love these numbers. The numerology is fun. We just got to, I don't want to just call people listeners. You know, I've never really liked that. Oh, right. So they'll have to come up with something. So send us your ideas. And, brother, have a great time tonight at the premiere and the one in Austin. Awesome. We're hitting the gym, Planet Fitness here in a little bit, a little temple care, and then we get to go eat at a Brazilian steakhouse. Bunch of carnivores getting together. That should be wild. And then the movie, 7 o'clock. Beautiful. And we will be back next Wednesday with another episode of We Get To Do This.

1:23:15 Have a great week, everybody.