Harmony Despite Dischord

00:00 Father, thanks for the privilege and the opportunity to do this. We say it this way: we get to do this, and we mean it from our heart. We mean it from our spirit that we get to do what we get to do. And so, today we woke up, we hit the lottery, we say thank you for a new day. Thank you for our friends that are listening. And hopefully, Lord, our heart prayerfully is that they will be encouraged and they will be lifted up. It's our heart to put lift under their wings in this day. So, Lord, bless what we do. We want to bless you and honor you in all we say, all we think, and all we do. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, April 15th, 2026.

00:39 We get to do this. This is episode number 28. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift we get to do this. This is a chance we dare not miss. This is a life we get to do this. And once again, we get to do this. Good morning. Good morning to you, brother. In the morning? What does that even mean? Oh, is it bad? No, you never know. Since you asked, we have this goes back to the early, early episodes of No Agenda. We were always laughing about the morning zoo shows. Oh, yeah. They're all.

01:22 Family Guy had an episode of Weenie and the Butt. And Weenie and the Butt. I can't help it. They did a morning show, and it was a takeoff on the morning zoos. And they would say, In the morning, you're right here in the morning. And so we just kind of started using that because we're the opposite of a morning zoo show. And it stuck. It does stick. It sticks in your head, that's for sure. It's crazy because you'll just be walking around an airport. Someone come up and say, in the morning, it's like, it's like, you know. Well, what made me think about it is you had a big meetup this weekend. Is that on your list? I know if you're yes, it was. Of course. Am I going ahead of the list?

02:04 No, no, no. The list is just there for guidance. Okay. The list is not. I got something for later, but we can start with anything we want to, brother. I think we should talk about it because it's always, you know, I've been to probably four, I think, now of meetups, No Agenda. And it is always such a joy to meet these amazing people from all over the place. And it wasn't just a No Agenda meetup. As I told you, there were a lot of We Get To Do This listeners who were there. Yes, and that was so sweet. I so enjoyed meeting people, talking with them, Jesus talking with them, having Jesus talk and God talk and just good people from all over the place.

02:45 Jan. Yes. Hello. I mean, he's on the other side of the world. Yeah, he's Dutch, but he lives in Sweden. We had people coming from Ohio, Boise, Idaho. Cool. People coming in from Georgia who literally flew to Dallas and drove down. Just amazing. And a lot of believers. Yeah. I love. And what I like the most, I would say, about the No Agenda meetups is the diversity of human beings. I mean, we have people with rosta hair and shaggy clothes. We got people in suits and hats and boots. Got homesteaders.

03:30 Homesteaders. We also have got some super geniuses that are super techie genius guys. I was talking to Paul. I'm just glad I got to meet Paul. Paul who does the God. I was thanking him for everything he does. And it doesn't take long talking with Paul or other people in Paul's caliber of thinking where I'm just like, okay, we're off the rails now. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know this terminology. It's like me talking guitars with Rob Cardi. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I even said to Annette standing there, I said, Rob and I are about to talk about guitars. And she literally walked away. I mean, like, she couldn't get away fast enough. Well, yeah, we have young families,

04:11 like Jamie and his wife and his three kids. And, you know, and she's homeschooling. So cool. We've seen her youngest grow up. Girl race car driver, Ashlyn Speed, very cool. And her dad, Greg. And, you know, we had lobbyists there coming from Austin, just amazing people. And that's what really, I mean, that's what keeps me doing that show. But really, anyways, that is kind of the way I do. That is the win. It is. Is people. And so many of these people specifically have been supportive of my open discussion of my faith. And it encourages them too. And that's what they'll tell me every time.

04:52 It's like, wow, you know, now I don't have to talk about the universe with people. I can just say God. It's crazy, but. I get it. I didn't even realize how many people live undercover. Yeah. Literally undercover. You're helping them throw off the covers because you're just like to Joe Rogan, I'm a Jesus freak. Just get it out there. Straight up. We'll reverse engineer from there, but let's get it out there. Let's get that out there first. Yeah, exactly. That does, that inspires others to say, man, if Adam Curry can come out, you know, and just say it, then so can I. And why not? What's there to be afraid of? So before the meetup, we went to see Brandon Lake, the four of us. Wow. Keeper and me, you and Day Manette, which

05:38 Natina had been to Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham, and I know how energized she was when she got back. You know, I'm like, I go looking for concerts. The difference between what we saw at K-Love with Torrin Wells, who did a concert concert, versus what Brandon Lake does, which for all I mean, for all intents and purposes, it's church. Oh, it's a revival service. Yes. It's yes, revival service. That's exactly what it felt like to me. I've never been to one, but that's what it would feel like to me, I think. That moment, okay, there was a moment. I captured a picture of it where they've got this tower of light.

06:22 I've never seen that effect. It had some lumens and it was shining on us. It was, I literally got this picture in my head. This might kind of almost magnify that by a thousand times, what heaven might look like with this light source. Yeah. And the whole place was in awe. I mean, when that thing came on at the end of that song, and it wasn't just a song, it was worship. I mean, Brandon was going all in, and he was standing out on that island out in the middle, right? Yeah. And he just stops and he drops to his knees in this light. I mean, I've never seen anything like that. Of course, there was over 15,000 people. They set a record. Oh, is that a record? For worship, for a worship event.

07:06 Oh, really? Oh, I didn't the Frost Center in San Antonio, massive arena. And that's what it was. It was a worship event. That's the correct description. A lot of concert. And it was very impactful on me. Especially when, what's the song? Is it gratitude? No, the way they sing. Everyone sings amen at the end. Oh, the blessing. The blessing. Thank you. You just did it on a keyboard. Yes. But then at the end, 15,000 people singing that. And I had some moments there, brother. I got to tell you. But this came back yesterday, actually, in the past two days. I just wanted to share that. We had a real challenge with a new feature that we put into the Godcaster app.

07:51 And I was talking to my partners, and we were very disappointed at the response we had received from customers and potential customers. We were like, well, I guess we just missed the mark. It's like, I don't know. And the very next day, we're disappointed. We're down. And the very next day, we just start getting phone calls. We want this. We want this. We want this. And right away, because we were disappointed, but we got up the next morning and just went right back at it.

08:28 We had our meeting. Like, what are we going to do? How can we make this better? It reminded me when Brandon Lake said, don't you dare stop at going around the wall six times. Don't you dare. He says, you've got to. And that's the first thing. Come up. I'm like, ah, that's what it is. It's like, go around. And I posted that in our little group. I said, gentlemen, should we go around the wall one more time, make it seven? And they're like, blow the horn. Oh, that's so cool. And a grace. It just hasn't stopped from there. Oh, love that. Now, I've got a story like that, but it's just about a button off of a shirt. So it's not very cool.

09:08 But it's practical. It can be about. So it's a quick setup. I'm walking through the church. Russ has music jamming. I mean, like 112 dust. Russ is our worship pastor. Our worship pastor, and he's in the worship center. And it's not unusual because he's always working through tracks and stuff. So I walk through there. I mean, it's like blaring. I'm like, this is awesome. I mean, went through the whole building, right? But I walk back in there and he's got this frustrating expression. I said, what's going on? But I remember us talking about we've got a crackle in our system. Oh, that's the worst. That's nightmarish because it could be the smallest little cable or anything. So he's trying to find it. He's running it down. And so I said, well, let me ask you something.

09:52 I didn't say, have you turned it off and turned it off? it back? Reboot that thing, you know, until I looked my phone. I know what I said was, have you asked, and I was kind because it could come off real, sanctimonious, right? Yeah. I said, have you asked the Holy Spirit to help you find it? And of course, he gives me the look of, I don't want to say no out loud, but no, I haven't. And I said, let me tell you a button story real quick because I'm trying to encourage him, right? Right. To go ahead and do that. Because the Holy Spirit walks with us in the simple things. I mean, epic. I mean, you guys figuring out what's going on. Us, we lost a button. Annette has got a new garment. The button pops off of it, brand new. Okay, hold on. As

10:34 a husband, this is a big deal. Oh, when a button pops off any garment, but a new one, big deal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you've got to give attention to that big deal. In fact, it's as big a deal to you as it is them. That's right. So I said, let me go get my flashlight because I got this real hyper-power guy. She goes on a gun, you know, it's like and my metal detector. And we're down there in the closet. We got a new carpet. It's kind of that shaggy. So, you know, button falls down in there. And it's the same. I said, what color is it? Show me another one. And it's the exact same thing. Some color as the carpet. So we're looking. I'm going inch by inch with this flashlight.

11:16 I've got it dialed down to a little spot, but it's super bright. So if we hit that thing, it's going to shine. Nothing. Man, she's getting frustrated because she's like, I don't think I can find another button like this. I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll just call the company and get one sent to me. And she's going down the list. And I did this thing that she always does to me. And when you hear it, you don't appreciate it in the moment, but then you realize, oh, it's true. So I ask her, have you asked the Holy Spirit to show you where the button is? And she didn't say anything, which is no code for no. I didn't. Did she turn around and walk away? Not just then. I mean, we stayed at another couple of minutes, and I kind of whisper, Holy Spirit, you know where this thing is.

12:00 So just show it to us. Just show it to us. It's in this closet somewhere. And we had gone on where every square inch under everything. So she starts to walk. She's giving up. Not angry, just giving up. And I said, wait, wait. We haven't tried this. I said, let's pick up the whole rug. It's like a 9 by 12. So it's not like a little thing. It's a beast. I said, let's pick it up and shake it. And it's going to fall out if it's in there. And she said, no, that's not. I said, I start pulling stuff out of the closet. I start rolling it up. I said, we're shaking this thing. Shook it. Guess what? Ping, ping, ping, ping, ping little button. There it is. There it is. I said, thank you, Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit. Okay, now that's not as epic as you guys solving this issue.

12:45 I don't know if that's not epic. I think it matters. It's exactly the same. Yeah, it's harmony in the home. Are you kidding me? And that's what I want people to understand. It matters to him. If it matters to you, it matters to God because we're in a relationship with him. He's not just this ogre sitting on a throne, you know, wielding his wand over the world. There's no time for this. Yeah, that's a button. Who cares? But he cares because we care. And that's what's so amazing about God as we get to know him. I'm working the room at the meetup and I'm just thinking, man, all these amazing people, God loves every one of them, and they're all unique.

13:26 And God loves them and their uniqueness. He designed them that way. And you just see God in it. And this brings, thank you for setting me up perfectly because this brings me to your message from Sunday, which, I mean, you know how Pastor Brian, you know, or pastors who are listening to other pastors, you will say, good word. That's good. You know, which as a humble churchgoer, it's like, I'm not going to tell you that's good, you know, because it's like, you know, I'll just say, amen, amen. I love it. But I actually, the words out of my mouth came, that is good. Tina looked at me, what?

14:06 I heard you, brother. And it was this analogy you had of harmony, harmony amongst people, believers. But it was now, I'm not a musician, but I understand how music is made. And I just, to me, that's that was a book. That was a sermon. That was probably a movie. I mean, I had everything in it. I'd love for you to just to run through that so people can hear that again. Well, I appreciate that. You and I talk a lot about, and so it leaks out on your other show. It leaks out in my show on Sunday shows, my doubleheader. You know, these things leak out because that's what we're talking about, thinking about, dwelling on.

14:49 And we've talked a lot. a lot about just the disharmony in the world right now, the separation, the division. And the thing I had brought up was the Texas State Board of Education meeting. And one of the things I came away from that with is how every person they had 700 people signed up to testify. That's crazy. 700. And they each have a curriculum. And you had like far right, far left, everything in between, right? Correct. So the thing that I came out with was how every person was convinced they were absolutely right in their stand.

15:30 And I don't care how far on the spectrum you were away from the other side, you knew you were right. And you're giving two minutes of everything you've got to these 15 board members and all these cameras and all these other people around. And that disturbed me as we left. I was like, is there not any way we can all play in a sandbox together and figure this out? I mean, have a Coke and a smile. You know, let's figure this out. It really bothered me. And so I mentioned that in the sermon. And as I'm mentioning it,

16:08 I'm hearing Cass jump up on the keys behind me. Yes. He just got up there and he said this was the magic moment. So, and what I heard was when he was playing these chords, these beautiful chords, which he always does. He's amazing. He just does all that off the top of his head. Oh, yeah. No, he's no music. He's following along just like the musicians with the dancing horses at the circus. The horses aren't dancing to the music. The music is going along with the horses. That's exactly right. So I'm the dancing horse. Didn't mean it that way, brother. Sure. But anyway, so the word harmony came into my mind because I glance over at my guitar sitting there and we just finished the worship set.

16:47 And it just hit me how whether it's a keyboard or whether it's a stringed instrument, whatever instrument it might be that you can play chords on, not necessarily a saxophone, you know, that's a single note instrument. But instruments, stringed instruments, you can play multiple chords, almost infinite variety. And they shouldn't work because when you play two notes that aren't the same, then there should be dissonance. There should be, you know, it shouldn't work. You use the word discord. Yeah, discord because as opposed to a chord. And it really hit me right in the moment. That was hot off the press. That was not something I'd thought about. Instant download, mega broadband from hell. Boom.

17:32 And those are my favorite kinds. Crazy. And I just rolled with it because I just, boy, it started hitting me. But I was thinking in terms of how we all have these different voices, different tones, different pitches, different notes. We're all sounding a different note. But when you put them into a chord and then a chord progression, they sound amazing. It's what makes music. It's what makes your heart go, oh, I love that. I like that sound. And yet they're all different notes. Somehow, in the physics of it, working together, vibrations, tones that somehow, when they're played together, there's not discord, there's a chord.

18:16 They're one and it makes a sound, and it's what makes music music. And there's got to be a way. There's got to be some voices in the middle of all these extremes that say, wait a minute, what if it's possible we're all wrong? What if it's not the hill to die on? Or what if you actually need all those different notes to make the beautiful chord? And by the way, the chord can be a minor. Oh, yeah. I'm a fan of minor chords. Right. And so that it's still beautiful. It may be minor,

18:56 which may not necessarily make you feel all happy and joyful. It actually can be ominous or mysterious. And can also set you up for work. Yes. Yes, exactly. And can set you up for the next progression that takes you up higher. It's funny you say, have a Coke and a Smile. Because you know where that comes from? From the commercial, The New Seekers, I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. That's great. And also, Discord, the number one most popular mini self-controlled chat environment

19:39 is Discord. I know. And that's actually where there's a lot of negativity. Now, they say, spell it, it's not like discord with an H, and it's discord, which has a slightly different meaning, but I can't overlook what we're talking about here in this context because it does. It feeds right into that. So thinking about that, you know, I'm surrounded by people. Of course, I'm in the patriot space, right? I mean, I love our history. I love our country. I love that Lexington. You and I got to go there. We stood there and almost lost it. We were overwhelmed by it. And the National Monument. You know, all that is meaningful to us because we're learning and have learned the blood that was spilled to create.

20:22 I mean, as they said, they laid down in the mud so the next generation could walk over them to go forward. They were willing to lay their lives down. And so it's very meaningful to us. So I'm in that space, but then there's people in another space that are all about the climate and all about, you know, safety against, and all about let's get vaccinated so we can continue to live and let's drive a Subaru instead of a SUV. And, you know, we're all on these different pages, but somewhere in the middle of all this, there's got to be things we can find that don't just drive us apart.

21:01 Yeah. I understand the need for pushback and resistance because those are the things that make us stronger and we grow and we learn. But if we don't learn to listen, so you cannot play a chord and you cannot play in a band without listening to what others are saying. Where's my bell? Ding, ding, yeah, yeah. There you go. You need to bring your bell. That is so true. So playing on the worship team, I hit an off note while I was doing something on Sunday. I heard it loud and clear because I knew I did it. Others might not have heard it, but they may have felt something like that felt off. Well, it's because it was off. It was Discord. Right. It was a wrong note.

21:42 And I own that because we're playing live music. It's going to happen. And so I'm just doing everything I can to find my place on this spectrum of thought, whether we're talking about engaging culture or theology or eschatology or all these different things. Where do I fit? And how can I come in as an ally and be in accord, even if we're singing different notes or playing different notes? Maybe we can create a harmony. I know this is really out there and abstract. No, no, because you said it. You said it right there. In order to play with the band, you have to listen.

22:23 It's like the jazz guys. You know, yeah, they do a lot of individualistic stuff, but they're all listening to each other. They know exactly what everyone else is doing. That's James, you know, quick to listen, slow to speak. Absolutely. Wow. There's just so much we can do. I know. We can all do so much better. I know. I'll just transition to something that popped up this week. Before we leave, I'm sorry. Can I bring one little thing? I think this is something that may help people along, and it's literally in the middle of this. It's a quote by Catherine Schultz. She wrote a book called Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error.

23:01 Fascinating. Wow. Here's her quote. And when I heard the quote without the reference, so I looked her up and found this. The best thing about realizing you're wrong is that now you're less wrong. Yes. I am beating this drum right now. This is good because I know that the hills I died on five years ago, all I got out of that was just loss of blood and DNA. I mean, I just left a smear somewhere. I was just scattered on a hillside. Because then time passes and you grow and you go, wow, that was really immature. Or I didn't have all the information. I really didn't know what I was talking about, but I was willing to die on that hill. And I'm not saying we shouldn't live without conviction. I'm not saying we shouldn't be people who

23:44 take a stand because we have to do that. But that's been preached so hard by the influencers who are inadvertently teaching a culture to not think critically anymore because we're letting them do all of our thinking for us. That's right. And then here we are podcasting. Don't think what we're thinking. Push back. Please don't agree all the time. Exactly. But that's what's happening: we've created a culture of non-thinkers. And not only that, now we got Chad GGBT and Grok and all these other things that we can now just rush into instead of actually thinking through something. I just get an answer for it. So we're losing our ability to think critically, which is a terrible setup for a culture.

24:30 This kind of flows back to episode 27 with the AI generating. And I think you and I felt some kind of release from that. from that conversation that, okay, it's generating, it's not actually thinking, it's not doing something. And so just before I came over at like 10 o'clock, so I'm typically ready to go by 10, but I have an hour between 9 and 10. Beautiful segue, by the way. I like what you're doing. Go for it. I'm going to try. Sounding good. And so I've built this system, actually brought you a block diagram just can you see how it works with agents and stuff that pulls clips and then builds an outline for me and all this manual work that just takes a long time and now it does it in seconds.

25:20 And it's 10.02 and I'm typing a command. I use clawed code and that's important because the code part is important where I'll get into this. And all of a sudden I get 500 API error. That means that Anthropic is down. And instantly, I'm panicked. Now, this happened two days ago, and it was kind of funny. I didn't have a deadline then because I go on Down Detector and on Down Detector, you can see comments. And it was all these people saying, oops, all of a sudden I'm not a developer anymore. Wow. Because it's true. But I'm not really using it for code. I'm using it for the code of language and putting things in order.

26:05 Automation, basically. Automation. Yeah. A lot of automation. There's summarization and automization or automation. So I'm a little panicked, you know, and I'm like, okay, Holy Spirit. You know, too, because you should be kind of getting your stuff together to come over here for things. Yeah, so I had everything, you know, it had to wrap up some things, had to, it was really just the final flight, you know, it, but I didn't really, I couldn't wait 15 minutes. So anyway, it came back. But the panic had set in. So the dependency was there right away. I'm like, okay, got to make note of that. Now, could I have done it myself? Or could I have even come in with what I had?

26:45 Sure. But here's what I've noticed about large language models. And this is a very, for me, it's very difficult. And I don't know how you experience this. So I've been working with Claude Code, which is actually built specifically for building computer code. But it has learned, and by learn meaning I've made it document things and it has memory files. It can recall that and say, okay, here's how I work with Adam. It has learned that my code is clips and articles and short little comments and an outline. An outline is, that's how you write code, too. I mean, an outline with indents, those are interesting.

27:29 Those are sub-loops that do something. You pop back up. Of course, it's code. So what I've discovered, though, is that the way we as humans address these large language models, they've built it so that you have to address it in a human language fashion. And so I've discovered this kind of by accident because I was making it do things and all of a sudden. Did you call it a bad name or something? No? No, but I responded. I started firing things at it, like do this, do this, do this. And then it started doing everything wrong, like really wrong. And so I say, what is happening?

28:14 Something is, your demeanor is different. That's when it figured out. It came back. It said, oh, yes, because you were firing things at me, I went into pipeline production mode and not into thinking mode, which for me is like summarize stuff and come up with a bullet point. Wow. And it said, we were in partner mode before. So the good news is I understand the interface to the large language model. The bad news is it's like talking to a buddy. It's, and this is, I find this very challenging because you have to, you cannot get out of these things what you want unless you address it like a human because it's designed that way.

28:59 Yes. It's been designed on human language, human reactions, et cetera. So you can't just fire it. I mean, I was like, your code, do what I tell you. And it will not do what you want it to do. Wow. So the challenge here, the challenge is how do you speak the language of your chatbot or your large language model? I like to call it my robot because that reminds me it's a robot. How do you speak that language yet not get sucked down the hole of you're a human. I'm talking to you. You're my buddy. Good night. I love you. Yeah. Yeah. That's where you have to categorize that in your mind. You have to say, okay, I'm doing this because that's the recipe. That's the secret sauce to get what I need out of it.

29:44 So I'm going to use the secret sauce. But I'm not emotionally attached to the secret sauce. Have you noticed this as well? Totally. So I was watching somebody on a podcast probably two, three weeks ago. And they were making this comment. She said, it was a lady, she was supposedly an AI expert, kind of, you know, one of these guys. Girls. Yes. And she said she found that her best way to get the good information out of it and what she needs out of it is to let it know that we're in a role play. Interesting. So, which would be similar to what you're talking about, where you're actually, and she said, that doesn't mean you're emotionally attached to it.

30:24 It doesn't mean that you're in it with your own emotions, but you have to, if you've got something, you need an output, then your input has got to be to partner. You use that word partner. That's interesting. Partner mode. He told me that. Yeah, that was interesting because that really kind of resonates with what she was saying. So as an experiment, I said, okay, we're role-playing, colon. And then I said, you are my research assistant. I'm building a sermon. And I would like some scripture references around these themes out of this translation, the NIV84 version.

31:04 And I said, so as my research assistant, would you research scriptures that fit my theme for the summer? And it pulled back stuff that was so good. And I asked for references because I don't like to just get anything because you never know what you're getting. Yeah, absolutely. You know, Church of Satan, you know, I'm like, okay, I'll probably ignore that one. But, you know, I mean, I want to make sure whatever it's pulling from is legitimate. And so, so, what I've done, I just teach it like a, I treat it like a research assistant. Now, I used to do this with my staff. I'd have eight people around the table. They all got their computers out. I say, all right, here's the topic we're going for. I need scriptures about this. They all go to work on Google, you know,

31:46 or Logos, our Bible program. And so I'm able to do this now at home in a nanosecond. But I experimented with it just to see if that was legitimate. It actually was saying the same thing, just use a little bit different language. But it is. But I'm not letting myself get sucked into we're buddies now. Yes. You're not my friend. Because it will do that to you. Yeah. Oh, I know. It will call me by name, Pastor Jimmy. Hey, hey, Adam, have a great show with Pastor Jimmy. I'll see you when you get back. And, you know, and the inclination is thanks, buddy. No, no. We've been taught to be respectful. You're kind.

32:28 But, you know, it turns out it doesn't get offended if you don't answer and you come back and say, I'm back. Only if you dogpile on it like you did. Then it gets offended. But I wasn't offending it. I was just telling it to do. I was like, this is computer, computer, do this, computer, do this. And it just started to do this without all of its thinking and just dropped everything. And so what I say now is we're in partner mode. Yeah. There you go. I didn't know that. That's a new one. Partner mode. Yeah. I'm going to use it. You throw in partner mode. So I bring this up only because I think I gave you this stat the other day in the car, but only 12% of pastors even talk about AI in the church.

33:11 Yeah. And there's a, I've tried to get some clips for this show, but it just wasn't available yet. It kind of just hit, there was a big conference, Anthropic had a whole bunch of church leaders and they're meeting with them. So I'll have that for the next. That would be interesting. I'd like to hear that. And, you know, I just want to make sure that we continuously share our experiences because we're struggling with the same things. Oh, absolutely. It's exactly the same things. Because we're in the people world. This is what we do. And we're into disseminating information and giving content and all that. So it's all at that, the dynamics are very much the same.

33:49 And two, you now in 2.0 version, Adam 2.0, you're depending on the Holy Spirit just like I'm depending on the Holy Spirit. We want to hear from him. So I think it's important. And I've been thinking about this. I need to weave into some of my messages about AI and talk just about this. Even this would be helpful to, in a good way, positively warn, positively say, listen, be careful. Don't get into a conversation. This is not a person that you're talking to. This is a language learn, large language learning model. It's a program that's running a program. Don't get sucked into that because a lot of a people are. lot of Christians are, and you've seen the stats, are now consulting.

34:36 They feel safer going to their AI than their past. Why? Because it's not a human and it's mindless. It's faceless, nameless. So they feel safe. It's also built to please you. Yes. In general, overall. And sometimes I know some pastors like that. That's not good. Of course. Of course. And so, yes. But sometimes you need to hear a hard word. So, yeah, I mean, I think this is a really important. I was so anti-AI because it started with the chatbots. Now I remember. Well, I'm still anti-chatbot just for a conversation because that is exactly the problem.

35:19 And I'm realizing now, as you and I have been talking, we've been using it. This is the way they designed it because it wouldn't, you couldn't really design it any other way in order for it to work. It may not be the final way this stuff works, but you are not in control of it. Here's how my short, my shortcuts. So, partner mode is really helpful. Like, we're in partner mode. You're a robot. That's really good. And we're partners on this. And so then I can, for that moment, I can feel like I can talk to you like a partner, but I know you're a robot. And I am consistent with saying my robot. Not to the robot. No, to us. The robot in our conversation.

36:01 The robot's name is Sam. That keeps it in your mind where it used to be. You just keep that. It's almost like having a child, but the child is brilliant. And so you know what a child sometimes will say to you, like, eh, now, of course, when a child is compassionate, I love you, mommy. I love you, daddy. So these are just all traps. And so isn't it just like the Holy Spirit to give us something so powerful that the enemy can also just slip in at any moment and take us down? This is why we need to preface our use with technology, whether it's AI or anything really, with prayer and just say, you know what, Lord, I'm just going to consecrate this to you, this moment, this study, this, whatever I'm doing.

36:49 Not every time you use Google or whatever, you know, you're looking up, you know, well, who's that actor in that show, you know? Yeah. Or whatever. Or why are they not in this episode? You know, silly stuff like that. But when you're getting into the deeper issues and you're looking up things in terms of therapy, psychology, spiritual matters, you need to just say, Lord, protect me as I step into this space. And I believe, because here's the deal: they're drawing from other people who have come up with this information. This is not machine-created, generated information. It's created by human beings. They're simply skimming the top and pulling it in and organizing it. And it's a genius. It's brilliant. It really is amazing technology. It blows my mind.

37:32 The danger is when you start to lose touch with reality and you don't keep things in their categories. This is a machine. This is a computer or a robot. Robot. This is a robot. And I'm using it as a tool, but I will not be used as a tool. Unfortunately, I have to use human language in order to get out of it what I want out of it. That's true. That's the tricky part. That's the tricky part. Because it's easy to fall into. I think I've done it enough now that I feel very pretty confident in not falling into that trap. But isn't it at the same time interesting

38:09 that we could get out of human beings much better results if we address them in the same manner, in a humane, kind manner, and not bark at them because I didn't get results? Black harmony. Wow. All right. That's it, everybody. We're done. That was the show. Exactly. Can I just say something for our friends? First of all, Bo, Lacoste. Oh, my gosh. Brother, I'm going to hug you the next time. If I ever get to meet you in person, I hope we do. You're doing a bro hug. Those pickles already knocked off. We knocked off the first. They're gone. I mean, I'm like, listen to that. I'm afraid. I'm scared.

38:51 There's one pickle left in there, right? And so I grab it yesterday. I give Tina a fork. She says, no, no, no. And so I says, I'm going to use the juice for something. I didn't quite listen. We put it in tuna salad, and it was phenomenal. So I stick my fork in, I eat, and I stick it again. She says, you realize you're double dipping, right? I say, but you're married to me. I just told you to use the juice at Karen's house tomorrow for something else. Oh, I ain't got no cooties. No. She says, no, drink the juice. Drink the juice. Don't waste it. Drink the juice. Do not waste that juice. Oh, it's. I'm even eating the jalapenos because Annette saw me, and she knows I don't like hot stuff, like super hot.

39:30 That's so good. And she said, How can you eat those? I said, Well, I'll go ahead and be honest with you. They're not hot, they're pickled. I think it's Louisianapickles at gmail.com, if I'm not listening to it. I think you're right. I think you're right. He does not have a great guy, by the way. Just a good guy, loves the Lord, and he just wants to use this amazing side gig to share life and share love and share Jesus. I sent him a little Venmo blessing. Thank you for doing that. I don't want him to be. I don't either. So, yeah, I want to help too. So, whatever we can do. We took care of that. And so, now it's time I'm in. Now, I eat it with even greater pleasure. Yes, I want to be a blessing to him as well. I don't want this to come out of his pocket.

40:11 It's so good. Louisiana pickles. Yeah, got to meet Rob Cardi again. I know Rob. We're going to have dinner this week. So, I'm super excited about that. Constitutional lawyer. Just thinking about amazing people. And so, as we're, you know, getting landing the plane here, shooting our approach, you know, flaps and flaps down, deer down, mixture, rich, coming in, lean it out. So, I'm just, I just got to say how much I appreciate the people that we're getting to meet and get to talk to. And appreciate the notes, the emails. Sometimes they find me on social media, so I'll get some things through DMs and things like that. And just so thankful for just good people that we get to do this life with.

40:53 So, I had a whole bunch of other stuff that we're not going to get to. There's one clip I wanted to share of one of these types of people that we get to do life with, Matt Munt. Yeah. He has the Salty Christian podcast. I think it's mainly on YouTube. And so, he sent me a note and he said, Hey, are you guys going to be at K-Love this year? I said, Yeah, we're absolutely going to be at K-Love, of course. And he sent me his latest interview. And I bring this up because it's very, very topical at the moment because of the movie I Can Only Imagine Two, which I think you and Annette both saw. Did you see it in the movie theater? Do you see it at home? We saw it in the theater.

41:33 The theater? Sure did. So, Tina and I were. I remember with my trying to wipe my eyes on the way out so nobody saw I was crying. That moment. It is so different. It is so different from the first one. Yep. Same theme based around a song. Now, I don't want to spoil the movie, but it's kind of a spoiler that Matt Munt interviewed Tim Timmons. Oh, cool. And Tim Timmons was, you know, he started and ultimately co-wrote Even If. If even? Even if? Even if. Even if, yeah. Which is the huge hit for Mercy Me, very similar to I Can Only Imagine.

42:11 And he's actually doing it at the Imagine House in Nashville, where the boys have their studio and where they record everything. Cool. They're not there, but he is. So he has a whole backstory, which would kind of spoil the movie. But Tim Timmons should probably not be here today by medical standards, and he is. And he said something so profound because he was a worship pastor. He was touring musician, writing musician, recording musician, a musician to survive.

42:50 And he had this concept. And I'm sure he said it on other podcasts, but it was so good when I heard it on the Salt Christians. And it was about working for God. And he says, I've stopped working for God. It all started with the you stopped working for God. Yeah, so I stopped working for God. Yeah, I stopped doing all the cool things to make him stoked with me. Because I just felt like if I do cool things, he's going to do cool things. And the world's going to be better because we're doing cool stuff. But I just said I'm done working for you and I will just join you for the rest of my days. So if you wake me up again, I will write this X on my wrist every morning. You can kind of see where it was yesterday, even if you're kind of looking at a little 3D.

43:35 But I will just join you today. You woke me up again. I'm not supposed to be here, but I got another one. And my one job today is to join you. Period. It's almost like John 15 was something intentional. You know, like, just stay attached. Just be a branch. He'll make the fruit out of me. I don't have to make the fruit. I think working for God is making the fruit for God. And I was exhausted. How about that? That is so. You were writing down almost word for you. You're just jotting stuff down. Good. Oh, so good. Because when I first heard, like, I stopped working for God. I'm like, what? What did you just say? I decided to just join him. Oh, that is good. Isn't that amazing? That comes back to Experiencing God by Henry Black and Beast.

44:19 He has looked at. see where God is working, then join him in his work. That's how you know you're in the center of God's will. Tell me about John 15 because he brought it up to you. Talking about the vine and the branches. Jesus said, You're the vine. No, you're the branches. I'm the vine. He's saying, Apart from me, you can do nothing. So he's saying, join me, stay attached. That is so rich. It is good. Because how often do we, you know, there's this odd contingent of Catholic brothers out there on social media who will tell me that I'm in the wrong church. And, you know, and I'm always like, it has nothing to do with reading the wrong version of the Bible.

45:00 And all that. Oh, yeah. It has nothing to do with church, brother. It has nothing to do. I mean, I love going to church. I love our people. I love worshiping together, but I just need God and his word. I don't, you know, we can do that on a desert island, you know, without church. And somehow that just fit in for me. Like, just be with him. Ooh, thanks for sharing that. That's good for me. That's rich for me today. I mean, I kind of live that way. That's sort of, I just had never put it in those words. So I like having words give you a category, you know, give you a hook to hang that on. So thanks for the hook. Well, thank you. Thank you, Holy Spirit, who connected us with Matt, who sent that.

45:41 So that's how it works. I love Matt. That's how it works. All right. Let's leave it here because anything else would just, I don't want a single note to screw up this chord. Oh, no. Oh, yes, yes. The callback is going to be a good thing. Well played. We'll be back next week, everybody. We get to do this. God bless. See you then. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift we get to do this. This is a chance we dare not miss. This is the light we get to do this.