Pascal's Wager

00:00 Father, thank you for the privilege and the opportunity to come together today and talk about what's going on in our world, Father, with and through a biblical worldview. That's our heart. Father, for those that will be listening today, we pray for them. Their hearts will be receptive, their ears will be open. And Father, that we'll be open to the truth and that we'll be seekers of truth. And I thank you that your word tells us that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth who leads us and guides us into all truth. And so we lean in that today. And Father, we celebrate the fact that we get to do this. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, January 14th, 2026.

00:43 We get to do this. This is episode number 18. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift for we get to do this. This is a chance we dare not miss. This is the life we get to do this. Well, hello, brother. Hey, we get to do this. We do. Listeners, you tuned into the right podcast today. This is the one you want to hear. Everything is going on today. It's amazing. It's all good. We're here to lift you up and encourage you and just put some lift under your wings.

01:18 You know, yesterday I did a big seminar, like a, I'm sorry, my least favorite word in the dictionary, a webinar, a webinar for Godcaster stations and churches. And I somehow get really keyed up about this stuff. It's just like, you know, I got to do this whole thing. It's 45 minutes and it's just me. I'm doing live demos. And so we set up and we can't get anything to work. Oh, no. Like the video is not full screen. Okay, we got all that fixed and the clock is ticking and now it's five minutes till showtime and everything's working except any sound I'm playing from my demo isn't coming through.

02:02 And I'm just like, Lord Jesus. And guess what? Jesus did it. Right away I heard, no, no, you need to look at the setting in Skype, which is buried way under the audio, which I had set maybe a year ago and then switched back. What they do is it's a noise canceling feature. So if there's noise in the background, people won't hear it. So it was just basically filtering out all of the stuff that I was sending through it. And I just could not believe how awesome that came out. It was like, yes. A year ago. This is so good. I don't remember what I was doing a year ago. I mean, literally. Well, no, and it can only be the Lord. You know, Silicon Valley companies, like, well, just change this.

02:46 You know, why not? It'll only improve their lives. You know, nothing more tension building than getting alerts that. Oh, where's this new update? Oh, yeah. We'll just update it. I'm not a fan. While you're playing. So my Kimper, which is my complete amp system gear for playing guitar. Digital, right? Digital. It's totally digital. It's out of Germany. It is a great piece of machinery, real Nashville standard. And I love it. But I haven't updated it in three years. Well, no, no, no, it's doing. Don't touch it. I can't even imagine updating it now. It'd probably take three weeks. I don't know how that would work. Reconfigure it another three weeks. Oh, man. I've got it so dialed in.

03:30 I talked to another friend. He lives in Nashville, plays a lot in Nashville. I said, I said, Brian, when was the last time you updated your Kimper? He said, about three, four years ago. I said, man, me. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Wouldn't you like it? Don't fix it if it ain't broke. But that doesn't seem to be the mantra for Silicon Valley. Same with your iPhone. I think I've taught you, and I don't want to use it that way, but I have kind of taught you that. I've informed me. I've informed you. Like when they say, oh, we've got an update of your OS, do not repeat, do not upgrade right away.

04:06 Just let it sit for a week or two. You'll be hearing about it, and you may see. So if it's like 26.1, within two weeks, you may say 26.2 because almost always. And it's tough because we like new goodies. Like, I got something new, shiny. What will the difference be? Nine times out of 10. No, 99 out of 100 times, there's no visible difference. You don't see anything different. But then you notice it's slower. My phone gets hot. All kinds of stuff takes place. I had a real, thank you for Jesus because I had to do something early this week, which I have not done for 40 years and just had a

04:49 illogical fear of. I had to have blood drawn. Wait a minute. You had an illogical fear after you've had your teeth teeth and. and face hammered on the faver. Well, the thing I was most afraid of with having my teeth done was the IV. But the way that works, you're so, you know, you give you a little pill beforehand. You're like, you're so happy. You're like, oh, what? Okay. And then you're out. But this was, you know, in a strip mall in Bernie. You know, you go in the back. It's in this weird little chair has an arm on it. Yeah, and there's printers and ink and everywhere. And they call phlebotomy. That's what they do. There's a whole thing around it. Phleubotomy?

05:33 Phlebotomy. Oh, is that what a blood drawing is called? Phlubotomist. Well, the phlebotomist, whose name was Cameron, she was very nice, very sweet, very young. And I'm like, oh, man. And the needle is one thing, but the whole idea that the blood is going out and they're switching out tubes. Yeah, they're pulling these little files out. I have this real visceral problem with it. And I had not said anything to Trisha because we were going together. And I'm just like, I'm just praying all morning. And I feel so silly, but I wanted to share it with people because it can even, you know, a 61-year-old man can have these weird things. And I got in that chair and I'm just like, Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

06:17 Man, thank you. And I just went, I was halfway through it. And Cameron says, Are you still with me? So, yeah, I'm just doing our father. She says, Okay. And then, you know, of course, it was over and everything was fine. Like, why? Why? Why? But man, that helped me so much. It's such an easy way to get into Jesus helping you. It was just man. Thanks for sharing that for several reasons, several layers. First of all, we all have things like that that don't make sense maybe to everybody else, but for you, it's a thing. Yes. So I talked to our staff yesterday. We have our staff meeting every Tuesday. And I brought this up exactly what you just said.

06:58 I said, it's interesting how no one has ever asked me because I do the Lord's Prayer every service, both services, every Sunday. I will occasionally forget it on one service if I get too in the flow ahead of myself. But 99 out of 100 times. And no one has ever asked me why, which is weird. Really? You would think somebody, why do we do that all the time? I love that. Why do we do it? But there is a reason behind it. I told the staff this yesterday. I said, the reason I've taught the church the Lord's Prayer is because there will be a day where you will find yourself on a gurney

07:35 or in a situation. Yep. And you will have it so burned into the gray matter of your brain and so lined in your spirit that you will automatically have scripture to speak. Yes. I'm helping you memorize something that's a go-to. Awesome. And they were like, oh, that's neat. And our church definitely knows it. It's in a gray matter. Kids know it. Yes. Our kids. So we had a report from our children's ministry director, and she was talking about how, or one of our coordinators who's talking about how she wanted to teach the kids the Lord's Prayer. When she started into it, they all knew it. Nice. She was just blown away by it.

08:18 Isn't that beautiful to hear of a group of children doing that? Yes. So, yeah. So for that, so you actually gave life to that, what I was telling them. That was the reason why we do it. Isn't it interesting these coincidences that just happen when we talk about this stuff on this show? We're going to do this channel, right? That is so cool. So the big thing this week that I wanted to talk to you about, and this is the perfect podcast. We are the perfect combination for this. Somebody I know quite well passed away. I want to say quite well. We've exchanged messages over the years. And I'm talking about Scott Adams, the creator of the comic Zoo. And Scott, he was really sick for at least a year, and he just went downhill.

09:02 He kept doing his podcast. I was a big fan of, you know, he says he always said he was a trained hypnotist. So he did help a lot of people kind of hypnotize your own brain, which really is no different than what Anthony Robbins would do, you know, just all kinds of different techniques and tricks. Psychology. I mean, it's repetition to all those things. But he had a very good look on life, and he approached things with reason and argumentation and his own special brand of logic. And as he was getting towards the end, his voice was weak and he would still do his daily podcast.

09:42 Wow. And he said, a lot of my friends have said, please consider converting to be a Christian as you're in these. these final days. And I sent him a message as well. I know he didn't answer, but I know he read it. So it was a private message. And I said, Scott, you know, let me just give you this one piece: Romans 10, 9:10. If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. And I prayed for him several times a day for the past couple weeks. And I know my prayer was, and I would even say this to God: I would say,

10:27 Lord, if he professes that Jesus is Lord and He believes in His heart, please consider saving him because what a great influencer He would be. I know you don't need influencers, God. I know you don't need it, but I'm just throwing it out there for consideration. And he answered my prayer in a much bigger way than I ever would have imagined because the way Scott went out, and I'm going to play a little bit just so we can hear it,

11:05 brought up a discussion where everybody is now having a debate about whether he was saved or not. The debate is not about, is Jesus real? Is heaven real? This is what God did. He was so smart and creative in this one. Like, no, no, I'm not going to have some guy who's gone. Everyone says, well, he created, you know, he converted and became a Christian. No, I'm going to start a debate where the question is not whether this is real, it's whether he made it or not. Okay. Which is like boom, boom. I'm there with you. My mind was blown by this. So I'll just get into it. Yeah. So he wrote a farewell note.

11:49 And it's important to note that he wrote this on January 1st and he passed away yesterday, the 13th. And I could have read it because it's been published, but I really wanted to play his ex-wife, Shirley Miles, who they were good friends. They had just separated many years ago. And he died just before his typical daily, I think it's coffee with Scott Adams. And so she did it and she went live. Oh, nice. And she read the note. I'm just going to play the first paradox.

12:26 It's, you know, she's talking through her tears. So I'm not playing it for effect, but really because I feel it's more like his words through her than me just reading it. So here she is. He has a final message that he wanted to say. So I'm going to try to read it, trying to be strong. If you are reading this, things did not go well for me. I have a few things to say before I go. My body fell before my brain. I am of sound mind as I write this January 1st, 2026.

13:08 If you wonder about any of my choices for my estate or anything else, please know I'm free of any queries or inappropriate influence of any sort. I promise. Next, many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go. I'm not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks so attractive to me. So here I go. I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and look forward to spending an eternity with him.

13:54 The part about me not being a believer should be quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven. I won't need any more convincing than that. I hope I'm still qualified for entry. So this is what has sparked an incredible debate. I know it's tough to listen to, isn't it? Oh, man, that got me. Yeah. So although I'm not a believer, I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And then he says, so if I wake up in heaven, I'll have all the proof I need to know that it's all real.

14:31 So this is fascinating. And it just, it grabbed me because everyone's walking around yelling, you know, you got, he got saved, yay, spiking the ball for Jesus. Right. Other people, no, he didn't do it right. He, he, he didn't, he didn't say he believed in his heart. And I believe. believe this is what's called Pascal's wager. Have you heard of Pascal's wager? I have. So I looked it up. This is so, who was this guy? He was Pascal. He was a father. Blaise Pascal, yes. And he argued that the reason alone cannot determine God's existence, but one cannot abstain from the decision by living.

15:17 One is forced to wager. So he said the decision is presented as a choice under uncertainty. And this is where it gets really complicated. I'll just tell you what I think about it. And I want to hear what you think about it. So, first of all, only Jesus knows what was in his heart. Exactly. And there was almost two weeks between when he wrote this and when he passed. And we have the a lot of people are pointing towards this, you know, the deathbed conversion, Luke 23. This is when Jesus is on the cross, and one of the thieves

15:55 said, oh, you know, aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us. And of course, the other criminals said, don't you fear God since you're under the same sentence. But Jesus said, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Or he said to Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus answered, Truly, I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise. So at the very end. And so now kind of this conversation goes down to, well, did he really believe it? So we don't know. Nobody knows. But Jesus also said, and this I thought was my great theological discovery. He said, all you need is a mustard seed of faith in order to move mountains.

16:36 So I just wanted to lay that down before you and get your take on it because it is rampant. And you got pastors weighing in. You got influencers weighing in. And it's just like, I believe that this will be a conversation. And I want people to hear us talk about it and help them understand what was really going on here. Wow. Adam, thanks for bringing this up. And that clip was powerful. I had not, I had read where he wrote that, you know, and that was powerful just reading it. But then to hear her through her heart, you know, and her tears, that was very, you said you didn't do it for effect, but it affected me. Yeah. And probably anyone else that'll hear that with the right heart.

17:21 I pulled up Romans 10, you know, 9, 10, that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, which he did, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. So some will split a hair on that and go, oh, well, he didn't do that. Well, because he literally said, although I'm not a believer. Yeah, he's just being what I love is his honesty and the pureness. That's this purity of heart to come to God and say, I do not have this figured out. I remember when I was 18 and I prayed to receive Christ, man, I didn't have any answers and I knew nothing of the Bible. I mean, it was all blank slate. And so what I did, I did by faith.

18:06 What God honors is not information and content. It's faith. And the fact that he, by faith, wrote that out. I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I want to be in heaven with him or I will be in heaven. I mean, that was a statement of faith. Yes. And you remember there was a centurion soldier who said basically this: He said, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief. Mark 9. Beautiful. 24. Beautiful. One of the most. I believe, help me in my help me in my unbelief. Faith-filled humility. Yeah. Totally laced with humility. What I heard from this guy is humility.

18:48 You know, I don't have it figured out. I hope it's right, but here's what I'm going to, I mean, at the end of that passage where it says, if you confess your mouth, believe in your heart, it says you'll be saved. With a heart, one believes unto righteousness. With the mouth, confession is made in salvation. Two more verses down in verse 13, it says that it makes this statement: for whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Boom. So as I was thinking about this passage, I knew it ended in verse 13 with that. And I'm thinking, I'm going right there. This guy called on the name of the Lord in this letter and in his writing and in his prayer. And like you said, that was two weeks out. There's no telling what kind of things went on in his heart.

19:34 I remember when I professed my faith, and I did it publicly, a lot of people were saying, you did it wrong. You said it wrong. You didn't go the right way. Elon Rogan, people really dissected that. Some of the pastoralist, yeah, snooty, religious people. But to me, it's so, and everybody, I hope, who's listening can remember when you first came to Christ when you were first saved. You don't know exactly what you're doing. I still don't say stuff right. And I've been in this 43 years. Your faith builds over time. Exactly. And it is a journey. You're taking the first step on a journey. And I look at this: what your friend did. This was his first step.

20:16 And people can get incensed that it happened at the end of his life. Why don't we just rejoice? You know, Annette's dad on his deathbed received Christ as his Savior and his Lord. And for the few two, three weeks, he was a changed man. He grew tender. He told Annette he loved her for the first time in her life. She didn't hear that until she was an adult until he was about to die. But it was because the Lord transformed his heart right there. Well, is that fair? Who cares if it's fair? It's the kingdom of God and the gospel doing what the gospel does. The Bible says that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.

20:59 And so who am I to cheer or not cheer when someone says, I don't know how to say it all right, but here's what I think. I remember people got bent out of shape when Trump was saying, well, I hope I get to heaven. You know, people got all worked up about that. I'm like, take the win. The guy's open. The guy's hungry. The guy's listening. I mean, I think we just get so freaking judgmental because they don't do it exactly like I wanted them to do it or I hope they would do it or I know how they should do it. The older I get, the less I know. Let's just be real. Amen to that.

21:39 There are days when I say, Lord, I don't know. I almost feel like I know nothing. Well, it's interesting because Tina and I had this conversation yesterday when he passed. And Tina's like, isn't it great? I say, well, no. And I was literally going to the literal words. I'm like, no, because he didn't believe it in his heart. How quickly that came up, right? Me, right? Interesting. And it wasn't until this morning when I was really sitting down and thinking about it and prayed for him again. And then, and the Holy Spirit just like said, go look at this one. And then, you know, and then what about that mustard seed? And then you're right about the centurion.

22:21 And, you know, help me in my unbelief. Man, reading the Bible is really helpful. Isn't it though? You know, what it does, if you think about what the genius of God, I mean, it sounds silly to call him a genius. We already know he is, but he is. I'm just saying it. And that he puts these open-ended things all throughout scripture. Because I think if he gave us a formula, we would just put it in a book and sell it. We'd write songs about it and make money on it. I mean, we would just monetize everything about it. We would metric everything about it. We do that anyway

23:00 in what we believe. But my goodness, humility, which is such an underrated virtue, and honesty, another underrated virtue, and grace, all these things, humility, grace, the idea of I could be wrong. I mean, 43 years. Well, I've been in ministry doing this 41 years. I finally calculated it the other day. I was like, oh, wait, I was off a year. So 41 years of doing this. And to this day, I still will say and caveat things with, I could be wrong. Yeah. Because I'm certain,

23:41 but there's always that because I don't ever want to think I've got this all figured out. Because the moment I do, God gets a big delight, a big kick out of rock in my theological boat. Yes. And so if we cannot walk in humility to say, you know what, my entire journey of walking with Jesus has been a series of oops, off course, oops, course correction, oops, back up, get another run at it. My whole life has been that way. It is not one straight linear line. It's all over the place. It's like a roller coaster. And so, and even at this age, it's not like I'm just constantly sitting around questioning everything.

24:22 It's just I'm when I make a definitive statement, I've always got this in the back of my mind. I could be wrong. I could, I could be, and it may be nuanced because isn't maturity growing in the nuances, not just the big epic things. So I'm not going to. going to sit and take this man's final words, you know, and break it apart. I'm going to take it for the win that it is. And at the end of the day, I'm not the judge anyway. It doesn't even matter what I think. And the fact that people will sit and postulate on a microphone over this guy's statement is just really bothers me.

25:06 And here we are kind of doing it. No, we're not. We're not splitting hairs on what he said. Good point. We're saying this is a win. Yeah. You know, and he had two more weeks to maybe at another level. Who knows? That's the part that really hit me this morning. It's like, well, anyway, this was January 1st. He had two weeks. Oh, man. So much can happen. And also, I was kind of mad at myself. Like, that was my first initial response with, no, he didn't do it right. I'm like, wow, Adam Curry. Whereas my mom would say, Adam Clark Curry, you did not just do that. You know exactly how bad feels. You hear that voice in your head. I hope she's in heaven. She's talking to me from there, man. I hear that whenever Tina says my name. Isn't it funny, though, how

25:50 we want to boil things down to the simplest element? And to me, it's complex and simple at the same time. The complexity is the nuances of everything. We don't know his intent. We don't know his heart. We don't know. He just wrote a sentence very honest and very humble. And, you know, I'm not sitting in the seat going, yeah, yeah, he didn't do it quite right. You know, he missed that believe in your heart. He actually confessed it. I mean, you could hash that out all day. It won't make a hill of beans. But I don't think God, Jesus, Holy Spirit's up there just with a little checkbook and going, okay, well, he got three out of five.

26:32 Okay, let's let him in. Come on. By the way, we are educated from a very young age. That's exactly how it goes. You come to the gate and there's Peter going like, I don't think so. Which is kind of left. It's kind of mean, you know, because that's what we put in. That's spiritual abuse. Very real sentimental cartoon. If anything, it's manipulation. It may not be abuse, but it's a manipulation. I grew up with so many. The two cartoons I always remember were there St. Peter, and he's looking at the check mark. He's like, no. And then the other one is the little devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other, which is actually kind of more realistic than the check marks.

27:18 That one feels a little more real. It does, yeah, than the check marks at the gate. So, well, good. I just wanted to make sure that we talked about it. Thank you for bringing that up. Oh, man. The Lord put this on my heart this morning so hard. Like, you got it. You know, because I always say, you know, daily bread, Lord, give me guidance and provision. And the guidance was, this is what you got to do. The provision was the scripture and her and the clip of her saying that. I'm like, oh, okay, I got it. Wow. This is beautiful. That was really moving for me hearing her tears and hearing her heart in it. At the end of the day, we don't know. No. And do we know anything at the end of the day? We know very little, but very little we can be certain of.

28:03 I mean, everything down here is a big gamble where we're saying up to this date of January 14th, 2026, to the best of my ability, this is how I interpret this. But five years from now, I may have a different take on some of these things. And that may sound uncertain or wishy-washy for a seasoned pastor who studied the Bible all of his adult life to say something like that. But I hope it lands, no, that's honest. And at the end of the day, we walk by faith and not by sight. And my faith tells me, I do believe, I do trust, I am forgiven.

28:45 I will spend eternity with him. Everything else is up for grabs. You know, right after I was doing this before I came over, there was a, you know, where we're presenting again at the National Religious Broadcasters Conference. And there was an email. I should see if I still have that. Sure. Just to show you the dichotomy of my world sometimes. Joseph F. Drummond. Have you ever heard of Joseph F. Drummond? Well, there is a Dr. Drummond that I've heard of. And I'll just, so, dear Adam, the veil is tearing. The birth pains are no longer whispers. They're screaming. Iran is in flames. The Ayatollah's regime is teetering on collapse. This is a religious broadcaster's mailing list.

29:31 Russia is massing troops on Europe's doorstep, and the red heifer is still going. going to be sacrificed. These are not random headlines. Just look at all the images. We got like, gosh, here, flee. We've got fire. We got explosions. I'm like, what is going on with this? Not the Dr. Drummond, I know. No, this, this, no, I don't know who this Joseph F. Drummond is. Wow. Come on, man. And then, look, there's the heifers. And what is going on with this? Like, calm down. When I hear that kind of alarmist, it sounds to me, outsider looking in, that he wants this to happen. It's like he's manifesting. Finally. Finally, we're there. And it's like, wow, is that your heart?

30:15 Because I don't mean any disrespect or dishonor to God, but I'm like, God, there's part of me that wants you to come back soon. There's a part of me that wants you to wait because we've got to win a lot more people to Jesus. We've got disciples to make. We've got work to do. Give us a little longer. You know, you remember that, what was that? That movie about Ridge, and it was a guy who saved a bunch of people. It was in World War II on the landing, on the beach, maybe Normandy. And he kept pulling them up the hill and saving. He was saving them, letting them down. People that had been wounded. Like every World War II movie I've ever seen. Yeah, this is a true story. But his prayer was just one more. Just one more.

30:57 Just one more, Lord. And when I read something like that, it bothers me because I'm like, instead of having just one more, he's just like going, bring it on. Yeah. He didn't say that specifically. But we're right there. And I'm like, just one more, Lord. Man, come on. You said something shocking on Sunday, which, by the way, was a great service. It was so wonderful. Now, I couldn't look around because I was just worshiping. Me too. Were the hands up in the air, man? Were people into it? Because it sure felt like it. Through the progression of the service, by the end, it was almost every hand in the post service.

31:39 Beautiful. I mean, I was actually tired, uplifted, but tired when I'm like, wow, because I do my show right after the service. That's right. I was like, holy moly, I'm wrecked here. What happened? Oh, that's right. We were worshiping. We were going to stand up, sit down. We were Catholic. It was more than that. It was just giving it to you. God, yeah, the energy. It was fancy. Anyway, so you said, and I know it was shocking because there was an audible gasp. You said you had a dream. You want to just relay that? Yeah. I'm just going to share with you what happened to me, and people can judge it like they want. I really don't care. And I don't mean that in a mean way, just I don't because it happened to me a few nights ago.

32:24 It would have been about a week ago, probably now. I had one of those jolt-you awake moments, like a full-blown adrenaline rush. Yeah. Where your second thought is, it's going to take me two hours to get back to sleep. Because I was literally shaking, I mean, from adrenaline, not shaking out of emotions or anything, just adrenaline and heart bumping. And I heard a voice, and I couldn't tell if the voice woke me up or if I heard it while I was waking up, but it was very clear and it was deep and resonant.

33:01 And it said, He is coming. And I didn't go into detail in the church because for brevity's sake, but I had two reactions to that. The first one was fear. And it was fear that it was the devil or a demonic entity telling me the enemy's coming. Like he is coming. Wow. Like the Antichrist or something. That was the first thought because I'm in the middle of a full-blown adrenaline rush. Yeah. You know, it's survival mode. Sure. So I had a negative connotation at first. And that was a very split second. Then immediately it switched to, wait, I think that was the Lord or an angel or something.

33:40 I don't know what, but I felt like I've heard the audible voice of God maybe once or twice in my life, my whole Christian experience. People, sometimes people talk to him all the time. I'm like, really? Man, I don't get that. But anyway, yay for you. You know, nay for me. But so this might have been the second or third time. I can definitely tell you it's the second for sure. And it really rocked me. And normally I'd go right back to sleep and not even remember that. You know why it was shocking to me? You hadn't texted me that. Sorry. What's up with that, brother? Well, it kind of was, you know, I did go back to sleep. And so it's sort of like, I almost forgot about it for a couple of days.

34:22 I'm just kidding, obviously. But yeah, it was a jolt. Yeah. Well, he is. Remember Jolt Cola? Yes. It's like drinking a couple of those. slamming a couple back to back. Boom. Just full adrenaline rush. Well, he is coming. We just don't know when. He is. And I don't. Once I sat and prayed and processed it, there's no fear. Just that reminder. He's coming. Maybe that's what it was. Just a reminder. Just a reminder. Hey, Pastor, be alert. Remember, be ready. Be ready at all times. And get people ready. Yes. Well, you do a great job with me. Thank you. You know, just speaking of that, the Department of War sent me a package yesterday.

35:04 And it was. This was a really slick segue. Well, speaking of that. Well, because of World War II. Just one more. I'm sorry. I had to make the transition, though. Go for it. They sent me, I have two grandfathers who fought in World War II. One who landed at Normandy and was at the Liberation of Europe, and the other who fought in the South Pacific. And the Department of War sent me all of my grandfather's medals from the one who was in Europe. And I mean, and it's an array. It's like 15 different medals. And they've invited me, and I'd love for you to come with me to the Nimitz Museum because that, of course, is the Pacific War Museum here in Fredericksburg for my other grandfather's medals.

35:52 And their stuff I never knew. He was on a ship that was in three heavy battles. They sunk, he was the second in command, I think. They sunk a U-boat. He was a base commander on one of these. Never heard a single thing about this in my family ever, which is possible that a lot of these guys just didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, that's true. But my heart is just so filled. You know, it's like, wow, these guys, look at what they did. Even though we were doing it for Europe, it wasn't even really for us. I mean, yeah, Pearl Harbor, and we could go on for hours about, you know, what happened there and why it happened.

36:31 And as I'm reflecting on it, I'm like, man, I hope a lot of people still have that spirit, not for going to war, but to fight for our country. Right. To fight. I've lived in so many countries. This is still the best country on earth. We got our problems, for sure. But when I see people wrapped up in minutiae and someone getting killed by an ICE officer is not minor. But, you know, let's just not talk about the 18 people who have been shot in Chicago and killed in the same amount of time just since January 1st. So you got to put it into perspective. 700, 1,700 assaults on police officers or federal officers this year.

37:11 I mean, so put it into perspective and everyone, and it's by design. 17,000. I'm sorry. 17,000,000. I missed my number. Holy man. 70,000 over 400 with weapons. So I want to give a little bit of perspective on that because I really am trying to follow the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is all the things that we really have wanted for all this time. And people are missing it because, and it's, I mean, where else can you get this? Unless you're reading the Federal Register, unless you're looking at executive orders, executive actions, which are two different things.

37:52 You're just not going to get this from any news anywhere. And in fact, we're doing our fast, our church fast this week, which has just been phenomenal. Tina and I have been reading a lot more, just taking things calm. We are watching one series at night, but Tina's no more social media. For my occupation, there's still things I need to look at, like an inbox, but I really just stayed away. And even when I'm like, what's up? I just turn it off and went away. I've missed nothing because it's all meaningless.

38:30 It is all, what would King Solomon say? It's all vanity. Vanity is all in every single bit of it. It's vain. But what is happening is President Trump, and man, every day I still pray, Lord, hear us in heaven, heal our land. And I believe he is working through this man in such amazing ways. And of course, he is the weirdest guy ever to be doing this. I mean, he really is. I agree. He's obviously. Craving factor 100%. As faulted as anybody is. But he is going full bore. He's, you know, Davos. Actually, I should, yeah, we'll start with Davos. Davos is the big get-together.

39:14 All the elites go to Switzerland, the bankers, the big, you know, the big movers and shakers. Klaus Schwab, he started Davos back in the 70s. President Trump is going. going there and he's going to speak and he's taking everybody. Wow. Scott Besant, Witkoff, the whole gamut, Luttnick. And I think he's going to go and negotiate the terms of surrender with the globalists. And something, and I think this came out, I don't know if we've talked about it on the last show. If not, I have a clip just to highlight it because I had the clip from one day after our show.

39:54 This is something that barely got any attention, but a lot of us have prayed for this to happen. President Trump announced the United States will withdraw from 66 international organizations and treaties. This includes major bodies like the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The decision follows a review by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, citing these groups as contrary to U.S. interests. Critics warn the move could hurt American companies and communities by sidelining the country in the booming clean energy sector. Supporters argue it will stop U.S. funding for what they call ineffective global agendas.

40:35 The withdrawal marks a historic shift, leaving the U.S. as the only nation outside key climate treaties. Now, that was from USA Today, the only mainstream outlet I can find with any report whatsoever on it. Wow. And that should tell you something right there. Wow. So, World Health Organization, you know, a lot of these are subdivisions of the United Nations. He's pulling us out of all of it. 60-something? 66. The IPCC, the International Panel on Climate, Climate Change. It really, now, of course, it's not getting any coverage. That's why I want people to hear it and just pray for the president and his whole team.

41:18 And Marco Rubio praise this brother. This brother is, I think he might be our next president. I mean, this guy is, and he's also funny. I like this guy a lot. He's a funny guy. He's godly. He loves the Lord, man. That's what got me when I heard him speak at Charlie Kirk's service. That was not scripted. No, no, solid. He's all in. And this is the really big one. The Federal Reserve, I just want our church to hear it because a lot of people haven't heard this. When people hear Federal Reserve, well, those are the guys who manage our money. It's part of the government. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Federal Reserve, it is just like Federal Express.

42:03 The government doesn't own Federal Express. It's just called Federal Reserve. And it was, in fact, set up in 1913 in secret on Jekyll Island off of Georgia. And it was bankers. And they got together and they said, hey, we want to control the money. And we're going to do that. And we're going, they had already done it twice before, which I'll get into in a second. And if you look at your dollar bill or your 5, your 10, your 20, it says on it, this is a Federal Reserve note. Ah, it does. It does not belong to the United States, does not belong to our government. It belongs to this group of banks, of which many of the members are not even known.

42:43 It's secret. We know who the chairman is, Jerome Powell, currently. We know who the board members are, but the actual members and the true members of the banks, we don't really know. And their job is really to create money. They can literally create money whenever they want to to keep all of their banks solvent, which really none of them are, but that's a much longer story. And also to be the settlement. All money, when you transfer something to Meyanzelle or PayPal or a credit card, ultimately, and it usually takes three days, sometimes even longer, it goes through the Federal Reserve, and that's where the accounts are all reconciled.

43:27 That used to work. You can still go to the Federal Reserve, I think, in Dallas, and you can do a tour, and you'll see all these bars of gold in all these different slots. And so when Bank A had sent all these payments to Bank B, they'd literally move bars of gold over to that bank. Trust me, that's just show these days. But we were in this situation with the First and Second Bank of America, same basic, not necessarily the same guys, some of them were, during Andrew Jackson's presidency. And he saw that this basically gave a small group of very powerful people reign over our land.

44:10 They determine everything. If you control the money, certainly if you can create the money, then you control the entire kit and caboodle. And Andrew Jackson. Jackson broke that bank, and he broke it in a number of ways. He actually paid off our entire debt by doing it. And he drained it. He said, All right, give me all those accounts. Give me all that money that you've printed. That's ours. Give it to us. And he decentralized it and gave it to small banks and literally dissolved the First Bank of America, the Second Bank of America, which is just a Federal Reserve. Just, you know, they had a sunset clause of 20 years. And so they had like a poison pill.

44:50 He still broke that bank. And then in 1913, the same group of people came together and said, wait a minute, we've got to rebrand this. We're not doing this right. Going to call it the Federal Reserve and we'll make it an act that Congress passes so it can never sunset. Wow. So President Trump, I think, and I've been looking at these strategies, and I don't want to go into it. I can't even explain it properly right now. In my head, I can see the connections. He's in a full-bore attack against this banking system. And the most, well, there's two things happening. One, Andrew Jackson, one of the ways that he paid off the debt, funny enough, was by extreme tariffs on imports.

45:35 What are the chances? Today, the Supreme Court of America may or may not be decided, they're going to make a decision and announce it whether the tariffs that the president is using are legal under this emergency clause, this emergency law. I pray, and we all should pray, that they say yes, because this is a tool that is saving us. Wow. Now, the president can do this in other ways, but it won't be as easy as like, boom, you got tariffs, boom, you got tariffs. The second thing, which is also a Supreme Court decision, you may have read that he has been trying to fire one of the board members for mortgage fraud.

46:18 And so, when you have what they call an independent agency like the Federal Reserve, does the president have the power and the constitutional power to dismiss someone for cause? Now, remember, these people think they know they're outside of the government, but there's a ceremony. We confirm them in the Senate, et cetera, et cetera. And this has led to the chairman coming under severe fire. And it's being played under, and President Trump saw this, he's a builder, so he understands it. The renovation of what we'll call the Marble Palace of the Federal Reserve.

47:01 They wanted to renovate their building, and they budgeted $1.9 billion. Let that just settle in for a second. By the way, the original Bank of America, they literally were in a marble palace. They had built this marble palace. That's why we're calling it the Second Marble Palace. Wow. They overran that budget. And we were just talking before the show. Construction always costs more, takes longer, costs more. So they overran the $1.9 billion, which is already an astounding amount of money to me, by $700 million. So President Trump, you know, this was maybe six, seven months ago.

47:42 He went out there, maybe he had the hard hat on. He's like, what is this? How can this cost so much money? So the Senate Banking Committee said, okay, Powell, come in and testify. And what happened in the last few weeks, there was a grand jury that, based upon his testimony, they want the Department of Justice to investigate Powell for perjury because they say his answers were untruthful and he lied about this. Now, $700 billion, it's easy for $100 million to slip somewhere else or to go to someone who delivered a nail or a toilet seat or whatever.

48:21 So there is a high suspicion. That's what a grand jury does. You can indict a ham sandwich with a grand jury, but still, this is people off the street who come in and say, well, this looks like some fraud to me. And this has now played up to such an extent that Jerome Powell, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, did a hostage video. He literally went on their website and did a video and claimed the following. Good evening. On Friday, the Department of Justice served the Federal Reserve with grand jury subpoenas threatening a criminal indictment related to my testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last June.

49:03 That testimony concerned, in part, a multi-year project to renovate historic Federal Reserve office buildings. By the testimony, in part, there was more. This wasn't a public hearing, so in part, there may be some. some other things going on. I have deep respect for the rule of law and for accountability in our democracy. No one, certainly not the chair of the Federal Reserve, is above the law. But this unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context of the administration's threats and ongoing pressure. This new threat is not about my testimony last June or about the renovation of the Federal Reserve buildings.

49:40 It is not about Congress's oversight role. The Fed, through testimony and other public disclosures, made every effort to keep Congress informed about the renovation project. Those are pretexts. The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment of what will serve the public, rather than following the preferences of the President. This is about whether the Fed will be able to continue to set interest rates based on evidence and economic conditions, or whether instead monetary policy will be directed by political pressure or intimidation. I have served at the Federal Reserve under four administrations, Republicans and Democrats alike.

50:24 In every case, I have carried out my duties without political fear or favor, focused solely on our mandate of price stability and maximum employment. Public service sometimes requires standing firm in the face of threats. I will continue to do the job the Senate confirmed me to do with integrity and a commitment to serving the American people. Thank you. So this is a very scared man. I can tell you he is afraid because he knows if the Supreme Court says yes, you can dismiss for cause, he can be dismissed for cause. This doesn't dissolve the Federal Reserve, but it does weaken the entire institution, independent institution.

51:06 Funny enough, there is a bill that was proposed in 2025 to these have come out almost every single year. The most recent one, to end the Federal Reserve. There's about 15 co-sponsors. Interestingly, it's Thomas Massey who put this in. This is a long time Rand Paul and before him, Ron Paul. He wrote a fabulous book called End the Fed because when the Federal Reserve prints money, it is literally a tax on the people because more supply means less purchasing power. And so I believe that President Trump has a plan. Davos may be a part of it, but certainly to weaken the Federal Reserve as an institution and use an alternative system for settlement.

51:49 Once people are using something else, and I'll just say the word, you don't have to figure it out, stablecoin. I believe Scott Besson is one of the smartest, our Treasury Secretary, one of the smartest men we've ever had in that position. He is looking at everything. He sees all the money flows. He knows exactly what's happening. I believe President Trump, with those things, with the tariffs continuing, with dismissing corrupt actors in the Federal Reserve, which by itself is theft of the American people, from the American people, I believe he can actually do this. Witness every single central bank in the world, same system, by the way.

52:30 They're just central banks. They're independent. They're not part of the government. The European Central Bank, it's not the European People's Central Bank. It's Christine Lagarde and a whole bunch of other elites. They're all like, this is an outrage. This is just political. But it's not, because he's lying right here. When COVID hit, we had 9 to 10% inflation. What were the interest rates? Zero, almost zero. Now we have the most, even with the tariffs, they said inflation would be horrible. It's even less than they expected, 2.7% as of yesterday. Inflation, or the interest rate, still at 5% to 6%,

53:10 which is hurting the American people. It is hurting us to such, so we don't have control over that. And I think Besant has a plan to bring back control of the interest rates and the money back to the people, back into the government. I wish I could explain the whole thing. I wish I had a blackboard. I just want people to know: keep your eye on Scott Besant. Keep your eye on what President Trump is really doing. Keep your eye on the Supreme Court and take your eye off of X, Facebook, Instagram, et cetera. It is just meant to confuse you and obfuscate what's really going on. Wow. Wow. Okay, so today that decision will be made.

53:54 Well, supposedly, I haven't heard, you know, they can delay it, you know, whatever. It may have already happened while we were just here talking. If they say no, you can't do that. There are other ways to do it. It does make it harder. But even Scott said. Scott Besson is an amazing, you know, he used to work for George Soros. I was curious where he's from. And this is what I like. You got a guy who knows how it works. And I believe him to be an honest, good man. I just, you know, I just look at the things he's doing, the moves he's making. And wow, you know, he's, he really is dismantling things right before our very eyes.

54:33 So final message from Adam, very positive about the future. Thank you, Lord, for hearing our prayers in heaven and working through this. Yes. This, I mean, unbelievably crazy guy, choosing him to do this. For some reason, you chose him. And I think it was just a brilliant choice. I love that. And what that says to me, and I'll just kind of spitball this back. It says that you don't have to know all the intricate ins and outs of government and political gameplay and all this to pray for these people. Yes. This is the thing that's so, God gives us this amazing ace card, Trump card, if you want to use it.

55:15 Boom. There it is. Yeah, yeah, bad pun. But anyway, he gives us this amazing thing that in the middle of all that, even if I don't understand what's going on completely, I still can pray. I can pray for God's heart, God's will, for justice, righteousness, truth to reign. And so I want to encourage anyone listening to this program, what Adam just presented is layered and complex, and yet he was giving us the simple version of it. And so, but we don't have to understand all the ins and outs. All we need to know is that we have this amazing gift, the power of prayer. We can move things. We can move atmospheres. We can change things through prayer.

55:59 And I want to encourage you. That's my phrase for the year: pray. Let's pray more. Three simple words. And please pray for your Democrat representatives as well. Absolutely. This is critical. Every single time the needle moves, you just need one or two. Yes. Just pray for them. They, you know, yeah, they have different programming in their brain. They've got other ideas, but pray for them to get clarity. That's that would really. Thank you for saying that. That is a big part of what me and Pastor Brian met this morning. And part of my conversation was: I feel like the Lord wants us to continue to bring awareness and information to what's going on culturally.

56:46 We're going to continue down that track. However, we always want to lace everything we do with humility, with grace and mercy. The same thing God gave us. We have a responsibility to give that out, which means I'm not going to lob grenades over on the other side of the aisle. No, I don't know what aisle I'm in right now. So I'd be blowing myself up anyway. But I literally, the whole idea is I want to pray more for everyone, for understanding, for wisdom, for strategic thinking and implementation that will move the needle for the people of our country. Yes. Not for party postulating and your own agendas, but what will be better for our country.

57:31 And we need to do that across the aisle in our aisle, in our seats, in our section, on our own lives. More grace, more mercy, more love, more patience. But this idea of let's walk in great humility. Confidence? Yes, absolutely. Confidence in him, not in us. And so that's my heart on this. So let's pray more for what's going on. All right, brother, let's land this. Thanks for bringing it, man. That was awesome. Thank you. We get to do this, and I love doing this with you, man. All right. And we're having dinner on Friday night just so we can follow up on this decision. I'm excited. All right. We'll be back next week. Make sure you subscribe to us in the Godcaster app. We get to do this.

58:14 See you next week, everybody. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift for we get to do this. This is a chance we dare not miss. This is the life we get to do this night.