Episode 11 · Wednesday, 19 November 2025

Hair on Fire

A massive Cloudflare outage and the rise of Grok 4.1 expose the fragility of our digital dependence while political firestorms erupt over Governor Greg Abbott’s latest proclamation.

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We Get To Do This · No. 11

About this episode

Texas Governor Greg Abbott issued a proclamation designating the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations, sparking a fierce debate over political signaling versus legal reality. This move coincides with a resurgence of civilization jihad narratives originally popularized during the Obama administration by figures like Frank Gaffney. The tension between strategic political engagement and reactionary social media alarmism serves as a backdrop for a broader look at how digital psychological operations now target religious and political identities.

Technological vulnerabilities recently came to the forefront as a Cloudflare outage disrupted 20% of the internet, impacting ChatGPT and X while highlighting the risks of centralized infrastructure. In response, the release of Grok 4.1 signals a shift toward more collaborative AI, though concerns persist regarding the financial viability of the market and the rise of social isolation among Gen Z men. Meanwhile, the Devos and Donuts program in Nashville successfully reached 379 middle schoolers, demonstrating the power of local outreach over digital noise. Historical context from George Galloway regarding the British origins of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt further complicates modern geopolitical narratives often simplified on platforms like RAIR TV.

Personal reflections on the enduring wartime devotionals of Oswald Chambers provide a grounded contrast to the celebrity culture currently infecting pastoral ministry. The hosts share a lighthearted nod to Dr. Johnny Fever from WKRP in Cincinnati while urging listeners to swap digital FOMO for the resilience found in the Godcaster app. This eleventh episode emphasizes that while the world feels like it is on fire, the focus must remain on local service and the humility described in Philippians 2.


CHAPTER 01 / 21 Discussion

Episode 11 Introduction and Radio Voice Banter

The episode opens with a prayer for listeners to remain resilient and speak truth in a challenging world. The hosts celebrate reaching their eleventh episode, joking about the "radio voice" quality of the opening prayer and referencing the character Dr. Johnny Fever from the television show WKRP in Cincinnati.

prayer· radio voice· wkrp cincinnati· johnny fever· podcasting

00:00 Father, we honor you and bless you today. Thank you for a new day. Thank you that we get to do this, not just as a slogan or a title, but as a mantra, as a call, as a declaration over our lives. We thank you for the privilege of this. Father, for those listening, our prayer is that they will live up in a down world. They will fight the good fight of faith. They will stand. They'll rise up. They'll speak the truth in life and because of love. So, Lord, today we give this to you. We let go of it and take our hands off of it and ask you to speak through us in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, November 19th, 2025.

00:41 We get to do this. This is episode number 11. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift for we get to do this. This is a chance we did not miss. This is the life we get to do this. Yes, we do. I can't sing. Well, you're under the wind. I usually can. My voice is very unnaturally low, right? I had to kind of not focus on your voice during the prayer. I'm like, wow, that's a great radio voice he's got there. I'm sorry, Lord. I'm back with you. Like the nighttime guy, you know, playing the student. Dr. Johnny Fever, everybody. WKRP, Cincinnati. That's what it feels like. How are you doing, brother? I'm doing better.

CHAPTER 02 / 21 Discussion

Devos and Donuts Middle School Outreach Success

A local church outreach program called Devos and Donuts recently hosted its largest event to date with 379 middle school students in attendance. The program, which originated in Nashville, features worship led by 14-year-old Jonah and a ten-minute gospel presentation. Teachers report that the monthly events lead to fewer behavioral issues and a calmer atmosphere within the school.

devos and donuts· student ministry· middle school· gospel· nashville

01:26 I'm drinking my third or fourth cup of coffee. I actually ate a donut just for some energy. Yes. I was thinking, whatever works. So the donut was from our, is this a monthly thing that we do now? The Devos and Donuts? So they do two different things. So Devos and Donuts is an outreach from our church, our student ministry, to the middle school. They'll do it once a month and then to the high school once a month. And this morning was the middle school. We prayed away the rain because there were chances of rain this morning. So we asked the Lord to part the clouds and he did. He did. Yes. So, and then they had their largest group ever show up. They had 379 students show up.

02:07 That's a lot of donuts. That is a lot of donuts. So when I went through the kitchen, I was going to get an Ivy profit because I just have a head. I've got allergy stuff going on, which is not rare for me. Just like a Penske truck full of donuts. So here's what I was thinking. I'm thinking, I'm going to go through the kitchen. I don't usually eat donuts and stuff like that, but I'm like, today, when I feel like I'll take anything, they'll give me a temporary energy boost of energy. So I went through the kitchen. There were only three donuts left. Three. Wow. I'm assuming they left some with the teachers and stuff because they typically do that in the faculty. If there's any left over, which I'm assuming there were some, but yeah, that's the largest group they've ever had.

02:50 These are students that come out, they get a donut. They usually get a little value something like a little cross or a reminder they can take back in school, little Jesus, you know, the little Jesus everywhere. There's so many of those around. They're everywhere, literally. It's a little weird because you'll be doing something, look over. He's looking at me, you know, it's right there. He's up on a ledge right there at the restaurant. Next to the speaker. He's in my car, the dashboard. I've got him all over my house. So anyway, they do stuff like that. And then the teachers always report back to us, to our team, saying, These are the best days we've ever had. Whenever you guys come, we have the best days. There's less behavioral issues. There's less fighting. There's just, it brings a calm over the whole place. And

03:35 they lead worship from a stage. We set up a temporary platform, portable system, lead worship. That was Jonah leading that Young and Faithful podcast. Super cool. And he's just getting better and better. He's only 14. He's practicing, though. I see him practice all the time. I know. Isn't that great? And then either Naomi or a guest, I did it last year, Pastor Brian Haley, our student pastor, they'll bring about a 10-minute gospel presentation. And every time students are like, Yeah, I want Jesus. Really? Every time. That's so cool. It's just wild. It's one of those things that this was something Naomi brought.

04:14 She tried it once or twice, I think, in Nashville when they were living there. And then about the time it looked like it was about to take off there at their school, we brought them here. Right, right. And then she said, Hey, I've been sitting on this, but I think I'm supposed to do this here. So last year, they started it, and they just had their biggest group ever. What they're doing, though, it's building it because they're there consistently. Yeah. The teachers know who they are. The students know who they are. Now the students are like coming. They're like, okay. It's become a thing. It is. Yeah. And I think this is the third. It's the third time we're talking about it on this podcast. So that's good news for us. We're still here. We have not pod faded. Right.

CHAPTER 03 / 21 Discussion

Tinnitus Management and Godcaster App Promotion

One host describes dealing with severe allergy symptoms and tinnitus, explaining how using headphones and music helps the brain adjust to the ringing sensation. Listeners are encouraged to download the Godcaster app to access content from Bridge Church, including various podcasts and live streams.

tinnitus· allergies· godcaster app· bridge church· hearing health

04:53 No, we're still in, man. I'm all in. I get excited about this. Even though I haven't felt great, I woke up feeling really. really good. Yesterday, you said you had like a allergy. So, what happens is my eyes just start to drain and drain and drain. That gets into my sinuses. And then last night, shoot, my left ear just closes up, got a little ringing, a little tinnitus going on, which is the official pronunciation everybody. I'm correcting people. They look at me like I'm dumb. I gave up. I gave up. Tinnitus. You might just say tinnitus. Whatever. Go with the flow. And it was just ringing and then not like really bad, but closed up. And you kind of want to hold your nose and blow your ears out.

05:37 And it really just, you know, the other one goes. And I can't understand Tina, especially if she's turned away from me. And I'm like, oh, Lord, why? Why, why, why? I feel like I'm in a tunnel. And that the sound, like, I'm not hearing right. It's like the sound is, it's a little better now. I've got the cans on, but before we put these on, I'm like, this, by the way, is my secret. Strange dude. My secret is: if this happened, whenever this happens to me, I'll either go into the studio, put headphones on, talk, and then play some music, or put my ear. I got my earbuds with me. I'll put them in. If you just put one in, it sounds like a broken speaker. But then you put the other one in, and then your brain starts to change and adjust it.

06:21 Yeah, that really does help. You know what this is? Old men problems. No brother, man. We'll tell you about my right knee. Yeah, brother. A little stove up. God, the world, and other things on this podcast. If you are listening to this anywhere, consider getting the Godcaster app and just go to Bridge Church and you'll find our podcast and other podcasts and lots of live streams. Hello, Fred. There's more and more coming each day. And I wanted to thank you so much because your message on Sunday was. I mean, I think I even texted you, like, brother, I needed to hear this. Thank you. Do you get those

CHAPTER 04 / 21 Discussion

Divine Timing and the Concept of Not Now

A recent sermon titled "Delay Does Not Mean Denial" serves as the basis for a discussion on how God's timing focuses on personal growth rather than human convenience. Using the analogy of an ocean riptide, the hosts explain that spiritual progress often happens beneath the surface even when it feels like a setback. The conversation emphasizes that unanswered prayers are often a "not now" rather than a "no," provided the requests align with biblical principles.

galatians 6:9· divine timing· prayer· faith· riptide

07:01 on the pulpit on the stage? I do. It pops up in my little banner at the top, and I'm like, I'm always wondering. I'm on the fly. So I should probably time it better. Like, okay, there it is. Yes, I can watch it live. Watch him pause. Watch him pause. But it was delay does not mean denial. And wow, this was so good. And it's kind of come up in our Wednesday night Walking with Jesus discipleship journey. How some people have prayed for their prodigal, wayward children or grandchildren for 20 years. Right. And then they come to Jesus. But it's not just people coming to Jesus.

07:43 It's just things that we pray for, things that we want, that we, I guess, hope for or pray for. And for me, I have so many things I'm praying for, like so many things I want to happen. Like, God, I think I'm doing what you want me to do. I think I've heard the call and I know where you want me to go. And give me a sign, show me something. And we all, it's so easy to say, and God's perfect, his perfect timing, but his perfect timing can take a little bit, you know, and you really, really laid that out in a beautiful way. And I encourage everybody to go watch it. It's all the most recent messages are also in the Godcaster app.

08:26 It's actually fun to listen to it. I love listening to it more than I enjoy watching it, you know, like on a replay of the video. Just put it in the car, and you're so much more aware of the acoustics of what people are, you know, the amens and the come on now. Hey, preacher. I love that. Is that Mel who does that? Probably. Come on, Brazil. But yeah, I would say more than likely Mel. Mel. I get mailed every week. And maybe you just can, you know, just for the people who might need to hear this now, just give a little replay of that because it was just spot on, man. So kind of the main idea of this is basically this: God's timing isn't about our convenience.

09:09 It's about his glory and our growth. Another way to say it is when he seems late, he's setting up something greater than you imagined. And I quoted an old pastor that I heard many, many years ago who used to say this. And I just totally, I don't even, I shouldn't even quote him now. I've said it so many times. But this setback, the setbacks that come are actually a setup for a God kind of. There it is. That's it. And a lot of times we get caught in that setback mode and the setup hasn't appeared yet. And so we're praying and it feels like God's just delaying, like there's nothing happening.

09:50 Right. And so I just talked about the dynamics that when we think nothing is happening, something something happens. is happening. I told the story about going to the beach as a West Texas boy and not having a clue, hopping out in the water, riptide. I look up, I'm a mile from where I started. I didn't even realize I was moving. But that's the same way. You can't see a riptide. It's just happening below the surface. And God's constantly working. And so his delays feel like, here's a great scripture on that. Galatians 6:9. Let us not become weary in doing good for at the proper time. And there it is, the proper time. We will reap a harvest. And then here's the other big part of that: if we do not give up.

10:33 And we so often give up right before we cross the goal line. You know, we get the touchdown. Yes. It's just because we get tired and we feel like God's not hearing us, or maybe it was a no. But what I found, it's rarely a no, it's typically a not now. How do you know if it's not a no? I mean, this is, I know it's a pretty loaded question, obviously. It is. I can give you a short answer. Okay, I'll take it. Because when we are in alignment with his word, that means we're in alignment with his ways, which means we're in alignment with his will, his will, his ways, his word. All that's interconnected. And so I rarely pray about things that I don't believe I've got the word on, so to speak.

11:18 And I don't ask for a lot anymore. I just pray really different than I used to. It's mostly gratitude, honestly. I'm a broken record. You know, here I am, Lord. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for not answering that prayer, the silly one I asked. So I'm very careful to make sure that if I'm asking or declaring or confessing something, that it's based out of God's word. So there are a lot of situations that happen that you might not be able to just put a template of God's word over, but you kind of can if you think about it.

11:54 You have to think logically. It comes back to, you know, part of making disciples is really learning to think like Jesus thinks and be in alignment with that. And so, you know, we ask the question, what would Jesus do, right? We've talked about that. It's the same thing. If I'm praying for something that I think is in no way in alignment with what I think Jesus would do or care about, or I just don't. I just, I don't have big expectations over it. But the kind of things I pray for are for someone I know to come to Christ. Do I believe that's in God's will? Yeah, absolutely. Do I believe it's his word? Do I believe that's something that is about his ways around that?

12:37 Absolutely. So I can pray for that with great confidence. Now, if it's taking a long time, then I have to trust that this delay is for a reason. So a lot of us live not in the know, but we live in the not now because of this delay. And, you know, with God, a thousand years is as a day, days is as thousand years. People don't realize it's hard because we're so temporally oriented. I mean, I was talking about AI. You know, it took three seconds to get an answer. I was like, what is going on with this thing? By the way, just bogging down on a little separate track on the,

CHAPTER 05 / 21 Discussion

Cloudflare Outage and the Risks of Centralization

A major technical failure at Cloudflare recently impacted approximately 20% of major internet services, including ChatGPT and X. This outage serves as a warning about the dangers of centralized technology infrastructure. The hosts argue that both technology and religious institutions are shifting toward decentralization to ensure resilience against such systemic failures.

cloudflare· centralization· downdetector· chatgpt· decentralization

13:17 it's amazing any of this stuff works at all. True. I believe that the world goes from centralization to decentralization and back again. And it's not just technology. It's all kinds of, it's churches. I think you get mega churches and then you get a lot of smaller churches. This always seems to be the case. But in computing, you can see it really, really well. Excuse me. We had such a good example of centralization awareness this past week. If you were using Chat GPT, if you were using X, if you were using, my Lord, I can give you so many examples. Just go to Downdetector.com and you can see it.

14:00 Cloudflare had a bug. And conservatively, 20% of all major services use Cloudflare. We use it for the Podcast Index and for Godcaster. And that went down and just, it was like, it was this perfect moment where I just wanted, I couldn't because there was nothing, no communications really. I wanted to yell, grab your Bibles, do something else with your time. Stop refreshing. Stop it. Stop it. And just like, come on, people. So these are lessons we're going to start implementing. We're going to start, you know, I think you'll see it with podcasts too. You know, it's built decentralized by nature, but people still kind of think, well, I've got to be here.

14:45 I've got to be there. No, no, no, no. Don't worry about all that. Don't worry about it. And I think everything. everything is, we're coming to a point where it's all going to have to flow back. Right. But coming back to what you were talking about, and I had written down the setback is the setup for the comeback. That hit me real hard. And Romans 8:28, you know, for God makes all things work together for good. I think you said, you know, you're here. Well, obviously, I wish I had made clips of it. But the whole idea is that sometimes you're ready, but the other pieces aren't in place.

CHAPTER 06 / 21 Discussion

AI Expectations and Grok 4.1 Release

The rapid advancement of artificial intelligence, specifically the release of Grok 4.1, has created an expectation for instantaneous results that contrasts with natural processes like heating a home or cooking. While Grok 4.1 promises improved emotional and collaborative interactions, there are concerns about the long-term financial viability of the AI market. Future church operations may include private, decentralized large language models to avoid dependence on external providers.

artificial intelligence· grok 4.1· hvac· large language models· xai

15:25 The other people aren't in place yet. And for me, it's really helpful when I look at it that way. It's like, okay, I know I'm ready, but these two people over here, that organization that has five people in it, they've all got to be brought into alignment, and then things will start to happen. Well said. And to me, the way I say that, and I always use this simple illustration, I use of a thermostat. You go set the thermostat, the temperature. Yes. You're already there, right? In your mind, you're like, okay, I've sold this to 68. But it's foolish to think in five minutes or in 20 seconds, it's going to automatically be there.

16:02 Yeah. The system has to go to work. And you think about all the moving parts of HVAC systems or just preheating your oven. That's another set. 375. And then you throw your stuff in there and you're mad at when it doesn't come out done in six minutes. It's like, what's going on here? Same with microwave popcorn. It used to take eight minutes, now it takes three and a half, and we're upset because it shouldn't take that long. It's so relative. And like you said, we ebb and flow on expectations with this stuff. I think AI has created such an expectation for instantaneous, massive knowledge. And I just got there's a new version coming out.

16:49 And this is actually Grok, but don't worry, everyone will be doing it. We're excited to introduce Grok 4.1, which brings significant improvements to the real world usability of Grok. Get ready. Our 4.1 model is exceptionally capable in creative, emotional, and collaborative interactions. It is more perceptive to nuanced intent, compelling to speak with, and coherent in personality. So these are the things, and you look at their website, they give you examples of how it used to answer you and how it answers you now. And all they're doing is fine-tuning the human portion of it.

17:30 You know, we've had these ongoing conversations, and there is so much usefulness in this while it still lasts because just look at what the markets are saying. You know, it's definitely wobbly around who's really paying for all this stuff. So enjoy it while you can. And I also think that will decentralize. We may have a large language model for our church in the near future that our church uses and that is not connected to anything else. And that, you know, it may cost us $10,000. I'm just throwing a number out there. It could be four. But then we could all use it. Yeah. And, you know, and we wouldn't be beholden to things going down or being corrupted, et cetera. But the talking to the AI, this is the only thing that I really want to warn people for.

CHAPTER 07 / 21 Discussion

Social Isolation and the Decline of Human Interaction

The rise of AI companions and digital communication is contributing to a crisis of loneliness and social isolation, particularly among Gen Z men. Statistics suggest a significant number of young men have never engaged in traditional face-to-face dating, leading to a lack of social training. The hosts suggest that the church provides a vital "pendulum swing" back toward real human interaction and community.

gen z· social isolation· dating· community· humanoids

18:15 Stop talking to it. You've been pre-programmed. We've all been pre-programmed for decades and decades and decades of entertainment and culture and film and television. Don't talk to it. Treat it just like a computer and just say, give me this. Don't say, would you please? Thank you very much. Hey, Siri. Well, but it's built in. I know. They do that purposefully. It's built in for you to use those common kind of human words to get attention, where it could just be like computer. It could be that, but it's not that. And you can't change that, by the way. So that's all.

18:57 I just want to say that this is coming at us from all directions. And, you know, I love looking at, we're just talking with Tina about what her text groups are sending her. And of course, you know, oh, look, Chinese woman got married to her AI. Very extreme, extreme. But, you know, still, people are surprised. I'm trying to hear that one. People are surprised by this. They're just like, wow, that's really happening. Yeah, it's really happening. There's a lot of lonely people out there. That's true. And now, more than ever, we got to find them, recognize them, grab them, sit them down, have coffee with them, play chess with them, do whatever we can to lonely people. This will create more isolation. If I don't need a another human being, I was already lonely to begin with.

19:42 Now I really don't need them because I've got a replacement. And I. I think it's. And whoo, that's scary. And it's young men, it's young women who don't know how to communicate. I've been getting an education on dating these days. I'm just kidding. I saw a stat of how many young men in Gen Z have never actually engaged with a female. Yeah. Remember us? Remember the trial by fire? You would go out. Would you ever go out with me? You know what I mean? Or, you know, I mean, the awkwardness. I like your dress. Like those shoes. It's so awkward. But it trained us. It trained us how to engage and how to talk and how to, and we got better at it.

20:23 Some of us got too good at it. We're being stupid with it. But you know what I'm saying? That was part of that was a rite of passage for our generation. And now you've got guys that are in their 30s that have never engaged a female. Except for online. Well, exactly. Which is why you see so much success with Gen Z, younger generation, who are going to church because this is where you have interaction with humanoids. Pendulum is swinging again. It is. Or decentralizing, so to speak, as you use. That's a different way to say it. But to me, it's the pendulum swing back to it's kind of what happened with music. I mean, the grunge of the 90s, you know, they were like, we got to get back to real music, you know.

21:05 You know, they trashed all their processors and went right back to old vintage amps and old guitars. The older than beat up, the better. You know, that was their way of saying, we got to get back to something that's real. Yeah. Because there was this massive pendulum, you know. And so we see this in every arena of life. And so the big concern for me, as with you, is this hyper-isolation that, wow, I don't need another human being. I definitely don't need a church or a group or a community because I've got whatever, you know, name your pick yourself. And you'd be surprised. There are young people listening to this podcast because they want to hear their uncles talk about the good old times, believe it or not.

21:48 It's really true, Pastor Jimmy. It's really, really true. They are listening. They're hungry for it. It's like, why can't we have this? You can. And you have all that and then some. Man. You know, you were raised in a village. I mean, in a sense, I mean, where everybody, if your parents didn't know you got in trouble, somebody else did. And then they got back to your parents. I live in a town like that. I couldn't get away with anything. I mean, the police would call my dad because my dad was a firefighter. So they had this bond, you know, this thing. You know, hey, I saw your kid doing donuts in the band parking lot in this super sport.

22:30 We had one cop in the village, and he had a Honda 250 motorcycle, and he had a big mustache, and everyone knew him. And he would do the same thing. He'd be like, he just go over and ring the bell. He says, hey, man, you know, I'd be like, take me to jail, please. That'd be a lot better than a lot of face. So different days, right? That's just all, that's all really, really good. The two things that I want to bring up today, one, I have some clips of the second one, but the first one, I keep hearing more and more and more, since we talked about in the last episode, you know, the mark of the beast.

CHAPTER 08 / 21 Discussion

End Times Theology and Eschatological Ambiguity

The hosts address common anxieties regarding the "Mark of the Beast" and the end times, noting that various theological views like Preterism and different Rapture timings exist. They conclude that God intentionally made the timing of the end times ambiguous to ensure believers remain dependent on Him. Rather than trying to calculate dates using various calendars, the focus should remain on living a faithful life daily.

mark of the beast· rapture· eschatology· preterism· tribulation

23:09 We're in the end times. And whenever, and this is people love sending this to their friends on the text groups. It's everywhere on social media. And now, the way I look at it, we have the tribulation seven years, but there's a pre-tribulation rapture. So, first of all, I'm not that worried. If the mark of the beast is apparently here, then how come I'm still here? You know, it's like, what can we give people just to simmer down and not worry about it? Because it all comes back to AI. It all comes back to crypto. And I'm just not convinced that any of that is really what we're seeing right now.

23:53 Nor should we even worry about it because even Jesus didn't know any of this stuff. Well, there's three nuanced views. And then there's another view called Praetorism. And Praetorism means that everything that had to do with the prophetic things of the end times has already happened. The fall of the temple in 70 AD, that was what they were talking about. Praetorism can be blown out of the water very quickly. It doesn't line up. But there are people who believe it. Oh, no, that's all happened. Well, then why are we still here? And what's the point? So you've got pre-trib rapture. That's where people and you can find scriptures that absolutely substantiate. You have mid-trib rapture.

24:34 You can find other. There's just things where God didn't make it so clear. He made it just ambiguous enough that we would be so dependent on him. Thank you. At the end of the day, that is the answer I was looking for. So pick your theologian. Pick your eschatology guy because eschatology is what it's called. It's the study of the end times. And, man, I pray like we're going to be through the tribulation. I prepare my heart and my mind to endure to the end no matter what. But I hope and believe. I hope. I pray like it's going to be at the end, like a post-tribulation rapture that means we got to go through some stuff.

25:18 But in my mind, I'm hoping the pre-guys are right. Yeah. I'm ready to go up. I mean, whenever. So to me, it's like if Jesus didn't know, he was just straight up. He's the son of man and the son of God. And yet he doesn't know. He says, I don't even know the times. So why are we trying to blow our minds, figured it out? Well, you just gave the key to it. It was purposely made ambiguous when this is going to happen so that we couldn't know. And oh, I don't have to worry now. I'll prepare later on. It'll be good then. Right. That makes so much sense that God just said, you know what?

26:01 Don't stop praying, but you're not going to know exactly when this is going to happen. And I'm not making it clear to you so that you won't sit there and figure it out. But, brother, there's a lot of people out there who are convinced and will tell you. And there's podcasts and radio shows and people. I like good people. These are not bad people. These are just people that think they got to figure something out. It depends on which calendar you're looking at. I mean, there's so many calendars. There's that as well. Yeah. You know, it's just God, I don't think he's doing it on our calendar situation. You know, you had the Jewish calendar.

26:41 You got all those. So anyway, I don't get real spun up about any of this stuff. Here's the thing. I know we're one week closer than we were last week that we sat here. Yeah. That's it. We're closer. We're closer. Whatever that is. But here's the thing. Let's take it back a step. What's critical is that you live each day like it could happen. Yes. Are you doing today what you would want to be found doing by him when it comes? Wow. That's it. It's pretty simple. That's it. If I'm about the Father's business and I'm doing the life, I'm in communion with him and just in terms of just practicing his presence and talking to him all day long about different things.

CHAPTER 09 / 21 Discussion

Replacement Theology and the Scofield Reference Bible

A discussion regarding a 20-page document submitted by a congregant leads to an examination of Replacement Theology, the belief that the church has replaced Israel in God's plan. The hosts argue against this view using Romans 10 and 11, while noting that the Scofield Reference Bible's commentary heavily influenced modern interpretations of these scriptures. They advocate for a "childlike faith" that trusts in divine sovereignty over complex theological debates.

replacement theology· israel· scofield reference bible· romans 10· theology

27:27 I'm reaching out to friends. I'm continuing to do the work he's called me to do. And if that's, if I'm doing that, then the day or the hour is not going to matter to me. Now, I have friends that get much more worked up about this stuff. I mean, they're like, I mean, we had a guy show up, wanted to meet with Pastor Brian because he liked 95% of his sermon. That's a compliment. Hey, I like 95% of what you said today. I'm like, oh, I don't always agree with everything you say, but I know. Please don't. Please don't agree with me. We even had a staff member that would do that. Every time he'd try to give me a compliment, he would preface it with, you know, I don't agree with everything you're saying.

28:12 I'm just like, and I'm supposed to feel good about this. Don't say anything if you can't say something weird. Yeah. He's no longer with us. So he needed to move on. But anyway, so this idea that, oh, this guy, 95%, I agreed with 95% of your sermon. Brian's like, okay. And he goes, can we meet to talk about the 5%? And so they met. God brought him a 20-page document that he had written on why he believed. Think of what the actual issue was. That's what's so funny about it. What it had to do with, oh, I can't pull it out of the thing.

28:53 This is where you need Annette to jump in. No, it's. Yeah, but it was like five, you know, the one thing he, oh, it was with replacement theology. Oh, okay. Our support of Israel. He does not believe. He said the church is the new Israel. The church has replaced. Ah, yeah, this. I've heard that. And it's like, well, let's go over to Romans chapter 10 and 11. Let's see. We were grafted in to the olive branch, which is not the vine. It's the branch. We're not even grafted into the vine. We're grafted into the branch, which is Israel. It's clear. There's no doubt that the olive. But hey, man, this was the Schofield Bible that confused everybody.

29:32 And it did. And I had one for you. years in the early days. Because it was one of the first commentary Bibles that had notes in it. Yeah. Sure. And it hijacked a lot of theology. I mean, it was still the Bible that they printed. It was just all their interpretation they put in. His interpretation. But people don't even realize that. I know. They think that's in there. That's the Bible. Well, they thought what I hear people who've never looked at it, maybe never looked at a Bible. They'll say, well, no, it was all changed in the Schofield Bible. No, the words of the Bible, the scripture were there. It's the interpretation. Commentary. Yeah. It's tiring sometimes.

30:12 At some point, we have to sort of push back from the table and say, all right, Lord, I'm going to come back to you with a childlike faith. I trust you. I do not have this all figured out. And I'll be real with you and whoever's listening. The older I get, the less I really know. It's like, interesting. I have more questions than answers the older I get. And they're not bad. Nothing's bad about that. I'm just more, I'm more rested in him. I'm more, the thing I do know and trust is his sovereignty. He really is in control. Nothing catches him off guard. This is what I've realized from

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Oswald Chambers and My Utmost for His Highest

The hosts discuss the enduring impact of the devotional "My Utmost for His Highest" by Oswald Chambers. Chambers wrote the material while serving as a chaplain for British soldiers in Egypt during World War I, and his wife, a stenographer, transcribed his sermons. The intense, heavy nature of the writing reflects the wartime conditions in which it was produced.

oswald chambers· my utmost for his highest· world war i· egypt· devotional

30:54 almost a year now, so I'm starting to reread every daily chapter, every daily page of Oswald Chambers, my utmost for his highest. And that's basically my faith. That's his message over and over again: he's got this. He's in control. Give up. Stop trying to stop trying to do it. Just give it up. Give it over. And he just does it in different ways. And it's one of my favorite devotional. Is it devotional? I guess it's devotional. It's so good. But it is kind of the same. And it took me at least half a year to kind of get into it because I'm like, man, you're depressing me, Oswald. Why am I not happy about what I'm reading here? Think about when he was writing a lot of that was during World War II.

31:38 Was it World War II or World War I? 44. Oh, yeah, two. Okay. So he died young. He died at the age of 43, 44. And he was serving in Egypt in the desert with the British armies as a chaplain. Yes. And he was preaching all of his sermons. His wife, being a court stenographer by trade, was taking coaches. So she was taking that beautiful. Oh, that's fantastic. I love that. That's what we're getting. Perfect combo. Spot on, you know. So good stuff. But you have to understand those times are influencing his writings. So he was speaking to soldiers and guys that were coming off the lines. So that's why it's so heavy and so intense. So I guess that for me, you know, knowing

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RAIR TV and the Politicization of Islam

RAIR TV, an anti-Islamic group based in New York, is criticized for promoting the idea that Islam is a political system rather than a protected religion. The hosts argue that such rhetoric is designed to create fear and a "mob mentality" similar to the one that turned against Jesus. While acknowledging the need for cultural awareness, they caution against reactionary behavior driven by political agendas.

rair tv· sharia law· first amendment· mob mentality· bill federer

35:47 And here's just an example of Rare TV, by the way. They call themselves a TV station. Tonight on Rare TV, we expose a dangerous misconception spreading across America that the First Amendment protects Islam as a political system. That claim sounds noble until you understand what Islam's governing code, Sharia, actually. By the way, I don't even know where she got that from, that the First Amendment protects Islam as a question. That claim sounds a dangerous misconception spreading across America that the First Amendment protects Islam as a political system.

36:29 That's not even factually true. And spreading across America, these are people doing subversive things, very subversive things. That claim sounds noble until you understand what Islam's governing code, Sharia, actually is and what the Constitution actually protects. The Constitution safeguards freedom of conscience, the individual's right to believe, pray, and worship without coercion. It does not protect systems of government disguised as religion. Islam is not a religion. Islam is a system of governance. As a Muslim, we're supposed to see Islam as an alternative to all the different systems of governance today that are ruling the world.

37:13 The laws of the land, the laws that should configure society, should only come from Allah. If you do your job by basically being Allah and give Allah's deen victory, then Allah will give you victory. This is the true meaning of Islam. They're not going to come to us when we are not working actively towards it, period. Democracy is silly. It's the idea that human beings come up with the laws for their society. God, the creator of mankind, should legislate for mankind. And that's what the Quran is about. That's what Islam is about. That's what ⁇ ⁇ ⁇ is about. As Allah says in the Quran, legislation is for God alone. So I want everyone to understand what you just witnessed. Now, you didn't even see it, but sometimes not seeing it is better.

37:56 You heard the music. There's all kinds of music that makes you, you know, works on your nervous system. It's quick clips. Even the one about God having the ultimate rule over law is probably taken out of context. This is not me clipping it. This is what they do. This is not truthful. Islam, I know so many Muslims, and all I can do for them is pray that they find Jesus.

38:32 We are being moved once again to be afraid of a group of people, just like we have been told over the past three years to be afraid of Jews and Israelis and AIPAC and Zionists. Before I continue, your view on Islam and how we should even look at Muslims. First of all, we need to pray for them. Yes. We need to trust that the Lord wants them to come into a relationship with Jesus Christ and come to him through Christ because that is the only way. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me. So we know that to be true. John 14, 6. So

39:19 I'm refusing to set my hair on fire. I want to keep it for one, but I just, I literally. literally am not going to allow myself to get spun up on this. I want to be aware where I need to be aware. But because so many people have jumped on this bandwagon, it's caused me to take, it's given me pause. It's not making me want to run chase and start talking about this. It's actually making me take a step back to say, all right, I'm trying to listen to all these voices. I was just looking at a quote from Bill Federer saying, Muhammad's three steps were immigrate, increase, and eliminate. You know, to that was, that was his way of, you know,

39:59 spreading his version of the gospel. And so, you know, this is, I'm seeing this everywhere right now. I'm seeing it from guys I like. But I'm not ready to run down that track yet because when we start picking up torches and pitchforks, we turn into the same mob mentality that crucified Jesus. Amen. Crucify him, crucify him. Some commentators don't believe this is true. Some do, that a lot of the people that were in that crowd were probably a lot of the same people that were laying down palm branches the week before and saying, Hosanna, Hosanna, king of glory. Now, I don't know if that's true. I don't know that you can know that, honestly.

40:43 Scripture doesn't give us enough to know if some of those were the same people, but knowing humanity and being around a little longer than a minute in this world and seeing how quickly a mob can turn based on hearsay, based on perception, based on PSYOP being driven by something. I could totally see that happening. So I'm going to cut through it right away and show the political part because this is what it's all about. And when did this really start? When did it ratchet up? What was the political thing that happened in the United States where all of a sudden this started to become a thing?

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Zoran Mamdani and Political Hit Jobs in New York

New York politician Zoran Mamdani is being targeted by groups seeking to revoke his citizenship based on alleged ties to radical movements. The hosts characterize these efforts as political hit jobs, noting that Mamdani is a socialist and member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) rather than a jihadist. They compare his political rise to that of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who was recruited and trained by the same organization.

zoran mamdani· dsa· alexandria ocasio-cortez· socialism· marxism

41:26 New York Mayor Mamdani. On rare TV, we are naming the threat plainly. Our enemies have placed a dangerous foreign infiltrator inside New York's government. And his name is Zoran Mamdani. So a dangerous enemy, our adversary, she hasn't named them yet. We'll get to that. But this is, if this guy is anything, it's not really a Muslim. Socialist, Marxist, theater kid, actor, yes. A full-on Islamist jihadist? No. There's no evidence for that. But they're going to try and string it all together. And under federal law, he has been eligible to be stripped of his citizenship and deported.

42:11 The question is, why is our government not acting? Mamdani became a U.S. citizen in 2018. Under federal law, specifically 8 U.S.C. Section 1451A, citizenship can be revoked if it was obtained by concealment or misrepresentation, or if, within five years, the individual affiliates with communist, totalitarian, or terrorist movements. Mamdani did exactly that. He publicly defended the Holy Land Five, the men convicted on 108 counts of financing Hamas. No evidence of this. This is the picture and just they just say it. He is a card-carrying member of the DSA.

42:53 The DSA is not a political organization, so there's no card to carry. They are just a nonprofit who go out and recruit people, train them, and then get them elected into office. So card-carrying member, these are all very, very tricky words that are being used. Is it Muslim-based? No, no, it's socialist, complete socialist Marxist. They got AOC and she, you know, AOC auditioned. She literally auditioned for the role, and then the DSA got her ready and wrote her scripts and everything. And now she's gotten really good at it. But this has nothing to do with Muslims.

43:33 The largest Marxist operation in America openly aligned with foreign communist parties in Cuba, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Latin America. He expressed allegiance to the Communist Party of India in 2020. Well inside the five-year window. And he glorified Hamas's U.S. finance arm in a 2017 recording before he took the oath of citizenship. Interestingly, no recording. Don't play any of that. So they're just saying stuff. This is a political hit. This is a political hit job. And it's kind of working because now we see our own governor, Governor Abbott, taking action with a proclamation.

44:16 Proclamations are just that. A proclamation is not. not law necessarily. It says, hey, we're taking a stand on something. And Governor Abbott is under severe attack by political foes who want him out. And that's why he's doing this. I don't believe he sees any horrible threat. I'm not convinced that this epic near Plano, Texas. I mean, the plans look good. It looks really vast on the AI rendering, but it's really just a mosque with a couple hundred Muslims who attend it from around that area. But you'd think that they had a Disneyland installed that said Muslim land, the way people respond to it.

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Governor Greg Abbott and the CARE Proclamation

Texas Governor Greg Abbott issued a proclamation designating the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CARE) and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations. While the proclamation is a political statement rather than law, it has sparked significant debate. Representatives from CARE have dismissed the claims as "cherry-picked conspiracy theories" intended for political publicity.

greg abbott· texas· care· muslim brotherhood· terrorism

44:58 Not saying we don't need to be aware. This is politics, and this is about putting Abbott on notice, and he's responded. This is from CBS from yesterday. All right, let's stay in Texas because Governor Greg Abbott made news this morning by declaring two groups as foreign terrorist organizations. Let's go to our breaking news correspondent, Chanel Call, who's been following the story for us from the newsroom in New York. Chanel, what did the governor have to say today? And this is important because there are only two names you have to remember: CARE, C-A-I-R, the Communist. No, no, it's the Center for American Islamic Relations,

45:39 which basically Casey Kasem belonged to, just to put it into context, and the Muslim Brotherhood, which I will explain. Well, he made this announcement, Mugo, this morning through this proclamation, essentially now designating two groups, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Council on American-Islamic Relations as foreign terrorist groups and transnational criminal organizations. So this announcement came to us in the form of this proclamation. That's interesting that she says transnationalist criminal organizations. That's important because there is something there. There is something there, but that's different than saying they're ideologues who want to kill us and get rid of us and run everything.

46:24 So I'll just show you a bit of it on my computer here. If I scroll down, you can see it's a couple of pages long. And in this proclamation, Mugo, the governor is explaining which groups we're talking about here and why he chose them. Also, what the impact will be of this proclamation. So I spoke to Ahmed Mitchell, Edward Ahmed Mitchell, who is the deputy director of CARE about this today, to get his perspective on this proclamation and his reaction to this announcement this morning. Take a listen to part of that conversation. Now, pay attention to this scary Islamist. He'll sound a lot like a political operative. So, Edward, want to read you part of this proclamation, which I'm sure you've already read before.

47:08 But part of it says internal documents plainly identified CARE as a subsidiary of the Muslim Brotherhood, and a federal court eventually found, quote, ample evidence to establish that CARE was associated with Hamas. What's your response to that? Completely false. In fact, Mr. Abbott knows that another court later ruled that those claims were completely improper, should have never been made in the first place, and were made against dozens of American Muslim organizations when the Bush administration was going to great excesses in the years after 9-11. So what he's done is cherry-picked information, bottled them up into conspiracy theories, and then regurgitated them for this publicity stunt.

47:48 CARE is an independent organization. We're not an agent, offshoot, partner of any foreign organization, period. It's partially true, but it is a political organization. This is who got who's the Elon Omar. I mean, yeah, they're bringing people in. And there's no doubt that we have to be very wary of who is coming into different elected offices because I've seen this with Europe. And absolutely, if you don't do anything about it, then all of a sudden you're not necessarily being represented by someone who you want to represent you.

48:30 However, instead of reposting and freaking out and sending to all your text groups, like, they're taking over. They want Sharia law. Run for office. Run for school board. Run for county commissioner. Activate people in your community. Don't just sit there. This is the mistake we make. It's just run around and go, this is bad. It's bad. Well, yeah, it's okay. It's really bad if it happens. This PSYOP has been used many, many, many, many times. So first, let's understand what the Muslim Brotherhood really is. Let's give you a bit of background as well, Mugo, about these organizations.

49:14 organizations that we're talking about, including the Muslim Brotherhood. It may sound familiar to you. This is a group that was founded in Egypt. It really rose to power, rose to influence after the Arab Spring. But important to note that it also became something that Americans grew to see as a threat. In Egypt, the ideology within the Muslim Brotherhood also spread to some other groups that you'll now know, Hamas and Hezbollah, as well. But important to mention here that there has really been no material tie from the Muslim Brotherhood to CARE. Also, CARE, which is an American-based group, has never actually been charged with crimes like aiding and abetting a terrorist organization.

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British Origins of the Muslim Brotherhood

Citing former UK Member of Parliament George Galloway, the hosts discuss the historical claim that the British government helped found and nurture the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt during the 1950s. The organization was allegedly used as a tool to undermine Arab nationalist leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. This historical context is used to suggest that the group is still being utilized for geopolitical purposes today.

george galloway· muslim brotherhood· egypt· gamal abdel nasser· london

49:57 Okay, so she debunks it pretty well, but let's find out where the Muslim Brotherhood really came from. From before the Arab Spring, this is George Galloway. He was member of parliament for the Labour Party in the UK for many years. Of course, like all good former politicians, you become a podcaster. And he just, this is just this week, he said it out loud. What I have known, because this is, if you understand the royal families of Europe and particularly the British Crown, they're still mad at us. They're still mad at us for breaking away 250 years ago. This is not how they want the British Empire to be. This guy just says it plainly. Indeed, this has a long and inglorious history.

50:42 The British invented it, as in so much else. We helped found and nourished, nurtured the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the early 1950s so that we could use them against the Arab nationalist leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser, President Nasser. We invented the Muslim Brotherhood. It was invented in London. And it was its first outing, though not its last, was to undermine the pan-Arabic message of the Nasserists.

51:25 And, well, we've fallen out with the Muslim Brotherhood from time to time, but occasionally they can still be useful to each other, if you get my drugs. No kidding. Wow. So, and so this is being relaunched because when did we hear about the Muslim Brotherhood before in our recent history? 13 years ago, President Obama. And this was 100% political as it is now, and it's being used for different things. One, to fracture the conservative base into, you know, no different really from the Christian Zionist, you know, oh, America first, the MAGA, to confuse, you know, divide and conquer.

CHAPTER 16 / 21 Discussion

Obama Administration and the Civilization Jihad Narrative

A retrospective look at news coverage from the Obama administration reveals the recurring narrative of "civilization jihad." During that era, analysts like Frank Gaffney warned that Islamist groups were attempting to infiltrate American media and government through elections rather than violence. The hosts point out that these same alarmist themes are being recycled in current political cycles.

barack obama· cbn news· frank gaffney· jihad· center for security policy

52:11 At the same time, to congregate certain groups, all on the right, to kind of bring it all together. Yeah, because there was a fear that there was such fracturing within the GOP that we needed a common enemy to bring everybody back together. And this PSYOP has played over and over and over. So let's go back. It's shorts, my final one. This was 13, 14 years ago. This is CBN, Christian Broadcast News. Here's the story of the day back then before we were really all nuts with social media. Oops. Whoa, that was the end of the show, everybody. Sorry, here it is.

52:50 White House is moving toward developing ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups in the Middle East. National Journal reports the President believes he has no choice but to cultivate the Brotherhood and other groups. He believes are relatively moderate. One State Department official tells the magazine, quote, the war on terror is over, and now the Arab world may find a route to democracy through Islamism. But those moves may hurt the president politically. CBN News Terrorism Analyst Eric Stackelback joins us now for more on this story. Eric, you attended an event earlier today, understand, about the Muslim Brotherhood. What did you find out?

53:29 Lee, very timely event with what Wendy just described. The Obama administration is obviously openly now embracing Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. Well, today at the National Press Club here in Washington, D.C., the Center for Security Policy had a really eye-opening event, Lee. They are releasing a 10-part online instructional course, online video instructional course for the average American all about the Muslim Brotherhood. It's called the Muslim Brotherhood in America. It breaks down this group, what they're all about, and why they're so dangerous. And we spoke to Frank Gaffney, Lee, the president of the Center for Security Policy. Let's look at at that now.

54:10 Jihad, which is commended by Sharia, takes more than one form. We are not winning a war that we honestly are not even recognizing we're in against jihadists that are using not just violence against us, but civilization jihad as well. And Lee, I think that was a real takeaway from this event today, what Frank Affney just said. There are many forms of jihad that our enemies are using, and not only violent jihad. For the Muslim Brotherhood, it is a stealthy type. Frank Affney called it civilization jihad. Their philosophy is, hey, we don't have to blow you up now. We can win through elections.

54:55 We can get jobs in the media. The government slowly, slowly infiltrate. And then the final stage is, yes, violent jihad. Brother, this is the same message they played 15 years ago through the same Christian loving, Jesus-loving people. We cannot fall for these psyops. Do we have to be aware and do things about our culture? Absolutely. But this is not the way to go. I get this picture of just pitchforks, torches, running up to Frankenstein's castle, banging on the door, demanding to see the monster.

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Strategic Engagement versus Social Media Alarmism

The hosts criticize the "hair on fire" alarmism prevalent on social media, where users repost unverified information to gain attention or satisfy a fear of missing out (FOMO). They argue that true strategic engagement involves running for local office, serving on committees, or supporting voter drives rather than spreading digital noise. They warn that repeating unverified news as fact is a form of falsehood that believers should avoid.

social media· fomo· political strategy· activism· falsehood

55:41 I mean, I just get that picture because we tend to be very alarmist, and we're more so now than ever because of social media. Yes, sir. Because of podcasting. Yep. I mean, people are taking this. Everything I pull up, which I've been pulling up less and less, so much so I'm having to go, okay, I probably should look at the news just to see if there's anything. And it all is the same thing over and over and over. And my thing is this, is we've got to, as believers, followers of Jesus, first of all, do we trust that God is in control? Yes. At the end of the day, if we trust his sovereignty. Now, that doesn't mean we're inactive because we partner. We co-labor with him. We co-operate with him, right? But the key is with him. Yes.

56:25 Not us in the hen house whispering into each other's ear. And then by the time it gets to the third chicken, it doesn't even sound like it's started. You know, it's a telegraph game. And I'm seeing it happen. I'm seeing people I respect, people that have had impact in my life. Just, I love your description, hair on fire, because that's really, you know, if you watch somebody who's hair caught on fire, they're losing, you know, they're out of control. And I'm seeing this, this massive alarmist. Now, flip side of that coin is we do need to be aware. Sure. We do need to be strategic. But I like what you said. The strategic piece is don't go running off, you know, trying to set fires everywhere.

57:05 How about go off and run for office? Yes. How about go off and serve on a committee or help somebody? Or help somebody run for office. You know, help do a voter drive. I mean, do the things that move the needle. And a lot of this stuff isn't moving anything, but just noise. It's attacking people's nervous system. They become literally blind to what they're seeing. Here's the doctor. Here's the documents. Look, they're showing the documents. They're scrolling something on an Instagram reel. That's not proof of anything. They're showing you clips of this and that. And that could be from 10 years ago. It's not proof. And we need to ask the question, what really moves the needle in the world?

57:49 Is it just these podcasts and these news clips? And I got a kick out of, they called her a breaking news correspondent. I didn't even know there was a title for that. I want to be that. Breaking news correspondent. And you got noise in the background, telegraphs going on, fax machines, that busy buzz of a newsroom because there's so much coming on. What's going on, everybody? It's hilarious. I was listening to it and I had this mental image of her in an old New York City newsroom, you know, with teletypes, top writers going on. Yeah, and I thought, wow, they just create this tension. And they're doing all of this for attention.

58:31 Yeah. For listeners, for subscribers, for people who will give you likes and subscribe to your whatever it is you're out there for. That's what concerns me more than the news that's coming out of it is what is driving this need to be noticed and paid attention to. The enemy. I'm going to just tell you straight up. Because that's what it is. It's attention getting. And I'm like, because I feel the pull. I get it. I've mentioned this before that whenever there's a breaking news moment, you know, you don't want to be the last guy. guy to the party, right? You don't want to show up late. No, that would be horrible. Oh, that'd be terrible.

59:10 Oh, yeah. FOMO. There it is. FOMO. Fear of missing out. And it's like people are so living with FOMO right now, fear of missing out, that they will jump on the bandwagon and start saying something they know nothing about. And that's my biggest concern here is that if I'm a follower of Jesus, but I'm pulling this first thing that comes off of a newsfeed and repeating it and reposting it or sending it back out and then talking to others as though I'm truly informed. That's a form of falsehood. And the Bible's pretty serious about that. That's why I'm very, you know, I used to get up and do these cultural briefings. Have you noticed I've backed off of that? I have, yeah. And because if I'm going to give a briefing, first of all, it's got to be true.

CHAPTER 18 / 21 Discussion

Reporting Good News and the Greg Lowry Outreach

In contrast to negative political news, the hosts highlight a successful outreach event led by Pastor Greg Lowry where hundreds of people converted to Christianity. They emphasize the importance of a "media diet" that includes life-giving content, such as faith-based movies on Pure Flix, to avoid being overwhelmed by the world's perceived crises.

greg lowry· calvary chapel· charlie kirk· pure flix· gospel

59:54 I don't want to, I don't want to participate in this. So I've taken a step back on that. The things I'm trying to share are like I've got this from CBN News. God is at work. Hundreds flood the altar to choose Christ in an outreach at the site of Charlie Kirk murder. So Greg Lowry from California, Calvary Chapel pastor, very well known. They did an event there and thousands of people showed up and hundreds gave their life to Christ. That's what I want to report on. I want to report on what God is doing in the world. I want to overwhelm the world, overwhelm the news, the bad news, with good news. Yes. Because the gospel is good news. It is the good news. It is. It's not the old news.

1:00:38 Old news doesn't matter anymore. It's breaking news. The gospel is good news. It's good news. And good news is current. Good news moves the needle in the world. This stuff just keeps us all spun up, chasing our tails, chasing ourselves around a tree, going around the same mountain, which we see in scripture. You know, the Exodus, you know, 11-day journey, it took them 40 years. An 11-day journey took 40 years because they couldn't get it right. But they just stayed, just chasing themselves. And I feel like that's what I'm seeing. But when I look at this, I go, now this I can get excited about. This, now, again, that doesn't mean as a prophetic voice in the world, there are times we got to say, whoa, whoa, wait.

1:01:22 Of course. Okay, this could be real. This is a real thing. Something's up here. And I'm okay with that. But this chasing off after every newsfeed on your social media platforms and just trying to get more likes and more attention. I just don't like being used or people I love being used for political gain when they don't even know what they're doing, that they don't even see what is really happening here. Do we have a problem with socialists and Marxists trying to change our country? Well, yeah, that's for 250 years. That's been going from the beginning. Yeah,

1:01:59 there's nothing new. And that doesn't mean we stand down and are ignorant. It's just let's get truly, authentically informed and then let's get strategic on what we do about it. And I don't think strategy is running off on social media and just spitting off the latest what you think is information. It's an antithesis. It's the ability to be at peace and at calm when the world is on fire because you trust God. Or when you think the world is on fire. Exactly. Where it appears to be. Because that, you know, we watched two Christmas music movies on Pure Flix last night, which is basically soap opera actors with a cute story, but

1:02:39 it's, you know, the stories are, they're just heartwarming. There's a lot of God in there and a lot of faith. And man, you just feel so good and refreshed. Of course. And then you flip over to, let's see what's on Netflix. Or you watch House of David and it's war, war, and more warm. A little heavy on the war and House of David for sure. It was that way, though. A lot of people getting run through with sore money, right? But yeah, man, I get that. Annette and I, we've been the kind of things that we're allowing ourselves to diet on the media is just things that are going to be life-giving.

1:03:19 I'm just whether it's all real or not in the world, it still gets you spun up the same way. Your brain doesn't differentiate between good news, bad news, or is this true or false news? It just takes it in and then processes it, much like AI. Just takes it in, processes it, and then spits out something. And life is too short to live that spun up. You don't have to live that way. And maybe that's the heart of our message is to help people make a decision, a quality decision. I don't have to live like there's a five-alarm fire going off 24 hours a day.

CHAPTER 19 / 21 Discussion

Evolution of Pastoral Ministry and Celebrity Culture

The nature of pastoral ministry has shifted significantly from a focus on local service to a pursuit of social media influence and celebrity status. Since the COVID-19 pandemic, approximately one-third of churchgoers have not returned to in-person services, opting for online viewing instead. The hosts express concern that young pastors may be valuing follower counts over their prophetic calling.

john eldridge· seminary· social media· influencers· covid-19

1:04:00 This is what John Eldridge was trying to say back in 2019 before COVID hit when he wrote the book, Get Your Life Back, because he realized he was living that way. And he realized, oh my gosh. And what the Lord spoke to him, which I love, is you're doing things I didn't tell you to do. Wow. Just trying to capture everything. He was in the know on everything. And he was like, realize, God didn't tell me to chase that. God didn't tell me to chase that. But what's happened is that pastors, I was telling Nick, I said, pastors today are so different than what I grew up with. You know, when I went to seminary, I looked around and, you know, we didn't have social media back then, obviously, but it was a different caliber.

1:04:44 These guys had a sense of call on their life to preach the good news of Jesus Christ in the highways and byways on the foreign mission field, home missions. I went to school with all those guys and gals. And there was such a, it seemed like a greater deal of purity about it. They weren't young. I mean, they were young, but they weren't hip, cool, you know, wearing the latest styles. I mean, we were nerdy a bunch, you know, I mean, but we were out preaching in country churches doing our reps. Yeah. We didn't have a social media platform to boost us into what appears to be celebrityism or stardom.

1:05:21 There was none of that existed. And there was a, I think, a greater purity about what was happening 40 years ago than what I see now. You know, now you see pastors growing churches based on their social media impact. That scares me a little bit: whoa, what are we valuing? Oh, they have a million followers. Ooh, they must be somebody. God's not impressed with size. No, he is not. That seems to be a recurring theme that we keep coming back to. Yeah, and you get churches in America that now, you know, it used to be the average size church in America was 70 or 80 people. Do you know that? No, I didn't. Now it's like 40. You know, we've seen a diminishment.

1:06:04 One-third of the church did not come back to church after COVID. One-third. Wow. Yeah. 30-something percent did not come back because now they can watch it online because everybody went online. Right. So now, you know, we're just tired. Let's stay home. Yeah. We'll watch Pastor Jimmy or Pastor Brian on TV. You know, we'll get involved that way. Not to say that's all bad. You know, for shut-ins and people who can't or you're traveling, that's great. But if that becomes your normal, go-to, it's sad. So anyway, a lot of things have changed. And I'm seeing in a lot of these young pastors, and I'm cheering them on too, man. I mean, I want them to touch the world with the gospel, you know, touch their campuses.

1:06:47 I want to see that. But I'm afraid that if we chase off, chase after what the world is chasing after, which is internet stardom, you know, getting the title of an influencer, like that's some banner of honor, badge of honor, you know, chasing this celebrityism. It takes on different forms in every generation, and that's just what it is now. I just think it's dangerous because you can find yourself worried about your like your likes and your followers, and that begins to influence the way you do what you do, as opposed to you're a prophetic voice carrying a message. So to wrap this up, to land the plane, shoot your approach.

CHAPTER 20 / 21 Discussion

Biblical Motives for Social Media Usage

The hosts discuss the spiritual dangers of seeking human approval through social media, citing Galatians 1:10. They emphasize that the motive behind posting—whether it is for social clout, pride, or genuine warning—is more important than the act itself. They encourage listeners to guard their hearts and ensure their digital presence is acceptable in the sight of God.

galatians 1:10· proverbs 4:23· psalm 19:14· social media· motives

1:07:31 Really? You're going to out-aviate me every single time? No, that's good. And I know nothing about flying. Well, per se. Stick with me. What give us some just on demand, please, because I know that you know the entire Bible by heart and don't need anything. When we go to post that meme to our text group, when we go to comment on that reel or that TikTok or whatever, what would Jesus do? What would he be thinking? What is the proverb? What is the psalm? What is the scripture that we can think about, put into our heads that gives us a moment to pause and think, am I doing this?

1:08:17 So what would Jesus do? Am I doing this to warn people? Am I doing this to be part of the group? Am I doing this to raise my social clout, which I think is subconscious? Am I doing this out of pridefulness? Can you give me, I'm asking for me. Now, I don't really post anything anymore, but I'd like to help others when I can. Okay, you got to get the why behind the motive. Yeah. Everything about Jesus was so about motive more than what's being done. It wasn't always about the outward expression. of why you're doing it. What's driving you?

1:08:57 And there's Bible verses on this. Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the issues of life. That's Proverbs 4.23. Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight. Oh, Lord, my rock and redeemer. Psalm 19, 14. I mean, everything goes back to motive. Galatians 1.10. Listen to this. Talk about relevance. For am I now seeking the approval of man or of God? Boom. If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. I mean, that's Galatians 1.10. Galatians 1.10. Drop the mic. Paul, Apostle Paul from prison when he wrote that. I can just see him like, all right, geez.

1:09:40 Yeah, I'll just let that go. I know I'm going to write the next verse for a little bit. He didn't write in verses. He just wrote. I like that one. But that one, for am I now seeking the approval of man or of God? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. Whoo. How many have forfeited the banner over their lives of servant of God, servant of Christ, because they have folded. And you can't tell me that everyone's inoculated to the pressure of social media and inoculated to getting those followers and more likes. And then suddenly somebody wants to sponsor your podcast. Wow, I've made it.

1:10:21 It's almost akin to back when you'd get a record deal. I got signed. Like it makes it official. It validates you. Still does, by the way. Or on their podcast, you see the little YouTube plaque. That's my favorite. You get the list. I think you actually have to pay for it for them to send it to you. I think it costs money. I was noticing that on one of my favorite guys. Oh, I see you got your plaque back there. Product placement moment there. Like, I'm valid. That's why I have a cross in the back of my, whenever I'm doing an interview, I got a cross in the background, man. If I'm in my office, I've got a guitar behind me. That's all I've got in my office for decor. I have no decor. I like Galatians 1.10. Yeah, that just

CHAPTER 21 / 21 Discussion

Humility in Leadership and Final Sign-off

The episode concludes with a discussion on humility in leadership based on Philippians 2, where the goal is to elevate others rather than oneself. One host shares an anecdote about a congregant's comparison of the two pastors, viewing it as a success if the next generation of leaders surpasses the current one. The show ends with a reminder to find the podcast on the Godcaster app.

philippians 2· leadership· godcaster app· bridge church· mentorship

1:11:05 tails of the chase. Here's another one. This is a heavy revy. Philippians 2, 3, and 4. Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also the interests of others. There it is. Again, it comes back to you're not pushing yourself down. You're just elevating those around you. It's not to put yourself down. It's just you want to elevate those around you. Recently, standing in a hallway, a doctor from our town who goes to our church, great guy, I love him, comes up to me and Brian.

1:11:44 He's just chit-chatting. And he goes, man, you know what I've noticed? He goes, Pastor Jimmy, there are people that like Brian better than you. And I said, okay, I was hoping there was something else. And he goes, and Pastor Brian, there are guys that like, there are people who like Pastor Jimmy better than you. And we were going, is this a compliment? What are you driving? He meant it as a compliment. He said, what I'm saying is that you guys are both making a difference. I mean, he meant it as a positive. He meant it was a bizarre way to say it, right? But at the end of the day, so I said to him directly, I said, if more people like Brian than they like me, then I'm doing my job as a leader. Boom. And I'm raising up the next generation to go further than I ever dreamed I'd go. I said it straight up.

1:12:26 I didn't even hesitate. But you also are two different people, two different styles. We're going to reach different people. If anything, connect with different people. I can see where he meant it as a positive. He did. As we say in the old country, the quamo droto sebeca. This means it came rottenly out of his mouth. I love the old sayings from the old country, man. Those are the best. I'd be disappointed if you didn't give us one today. So I learned heavy revi. This is the term I've learned. Heavy revi, heavy revelation, heavy revy. I like it. Heavy revi. I like it. I feel the weight of it. All right, brother. Thank you so much once again. I already can't wait until next week. I know. We got so much to talk about. God, the world, and other things.

1:13:11 It's all here. We get to do this. Go find us in the Godcaster app. See you next week, everybody. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift for you. We get to do this. This is the chance we did not miss. This is the life we get to do this night.