45: 45 Savage

00:02 MoFax with Adam Curry for August 1st, 2020. This is episode number 45. Hello, Mo. How you doing? I'm doing well, Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, doing real good. I am so proud of us. Here we are, Saturday, doing another show. It will drop on time. Can you believe it? I can't, actually. I'm in a groove. I'm in my routine. So I'm a routine person. So here we are. Very good. This is a value for value show, which means you will not be interrupted by corporate messages or any commercials. Later on, I'll be thanking the actual executive and associate executive producers and the rest of the producers who have supported the show.

00:44 And you're along for the ride, no matter what way you're looking at it. It's value for value. We hope to bring you some. And, well, can we get straight into the topic or what else we got to do? I have nothing to do but you do. Here we go. We're going to roll it up for number 45, MoFax with Adam Curry. Let's find out what the topic is. This is the big wheel of topics. Where it stops, nobody knows. Of course, Noah does. Mo knows. And the topic for episode 45 will be 45 Savage is the actual term. 45 Savage, which I learned on the last show that

01:27 this is now the official MoFax name for the 45th president. Yes, Mr. Donald J. Trump. It's only appropriate that we talk about him one year later if people are not in the know. Yes. I forgot to say, although I did text you yesterday on the 31st, happy first anniversary. That's, you know, what an achievement. We've done quite well. I think we did pretty good. And it's these numbers, man. 45 lines up in one year. That is interesting. And it brings this back around because I don't think if it was for 45 Savage, this show might not exist.

02:08 Yeah, possible. 45 Savage definitely made some things discussable, that's for sure. And by the way, after the last show, I did register 45 Savage.com. Did you see that? No, I didn't know that. If you type in 45 Savage.com, you go right to MoFax. Nice. Yeah. So I can maybe redirect it to this episode depending. I guess we're going to talk about 45. What are we going to do? We're going to start with where we picked up

02:46 last episode with 44, and then we'll see the beef between 44 and 45. Okay, I'm loving it. All right, let's jump into number two then. Roger Stone was a longtime political advisor to Trump. He has since been convicted of lying to Congress. Trump understands among Republicans, there's a very substantial majority who have questions about Obama's origins and how he just pops up out of nowhere to become a national figure and whether he was, in fact, eligible to serve as president. We thought that Trump needed an issue that resonates with people.

03:30 The birth certificate meant a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Overall, it talked about how Obama was different. He was a different kind of person. He was a Manchurian type candidate. Ah, now we're getting into the really good stuff. Yes, the true origins of the birtherism conspiracy. I like it. Yeah, and I want to say this. This could be perceived as probably the most racist thing Donald Trump has done or could do. But we're going to talk about the motive in this show. And if it was really

04:10 expected to be racist, or we're going to see the reasoning behind this. But I want to say as a so-called black person, this was probably, you know, just the perception of it that somebody wins and then you try to disqualify them. Right. The narrative behind that is what really landed wrong and probably makes a lot of so-called black people not like Donald Trump to this day. Because they've been told that this was a Trump invention and obviously he went after it. That's for sure. That was his main deal. And we both know, and I'm sure a lot of our producers know that this was a Democratic invention.

04:51 But as Roger Stone said in the clip, he's the one that brought it to the mainstream media and became. the face of the birth of the movement. But I just want to set up, this is where the real beef started between Obama and Trump. Oh, yeah. This was the whole thing between them in a ball of wax. It is the ball of wax, definitely. Yeah, that's why I didn't cover it last show because this is transition to power. You got these two forces pulling in opposite directions. On one side, you have, as we laid out, Marxist forces pulling on 44, and then you have an ultra-conservative.

05:39 Not Trump himself. I don't see him as being ultra-conservative, but he's been enlisted by a group of people that are going to be a very good idea. He's a very ultra-conservative group of people. Absolutely. Right. So we have to investigate this transition for 44 to 45. So I think this is a good point. So I guess we can get in 1.2. They released the birth certificate. What is the largest right now? Trump was thinking of running against Obama in 2012. It doesn't have any doubt. I have doubts or not. He's welcome, my friend. Donald Trump. He made himself the face of the birther movement. Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? I think he promised to. Because I have to, and everybody else has to. I'm sure he's not. Why didn't he show?

06:24 Excuse me. No, excuse me. I really believe there's a birth certificate. Why? Look, she's smiling. Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? That's the way any white president asks to be shown the birth certificate when they become a president. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country. That was the racist manifestation of resistance to the president. Donald Trump was at the forefront of it. I think it rankled President Obama because the birther stuff was just a pure racism/slash xenophobia, and it was based in nothing. More than 40% of the population still question whether he's actually an American or not.

07:07 Obama had already released his birth certificate during the presidential campaign, but the issue wouldn't go away. Obama was furious. It wasn't Trump. It was the media. If Trump couldn't get booked on all those shows, he'd just be some other whack job tweeting about conspiracy theories and maybe getting booked on Fox. Donald Trump is a creation of the American political news media. Let me ask you a question, Mo. Yes. When this came up, and I'm sure you were aware of it, I'm sure in 2012, you were hearing about it.

07:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was there any feeling of irony that, okay, here's a guy going after a legal matter which is deemed to be racist? I don't think he ever said, hey, this black man can't be a true American. But at the same time, even by the data that we were given, he's not Ados. Was there that feeling of irony at that time? For me, yes, but you have to rewind and look at it through the lens of people really didn't look at Barack Obama as not being Ados. Right. I mean, he was kind of, you know, grafted in, and we talked about that on the last show.

08:26 Right. Like I said, the real problem is you had a, it's like a boxing match, right? Yeah, you got to be a bit of a bad guy. You had one guy beat the other guy. And then it's like, oh, he's, you know, there's talk of using performance enhancing drugs or was he dirty? That kind of thing. So he cheated. That's what, right. That's what really rubbed black people the wrong way because you tried to disqualify Obama. And that's why I said this is a non-starter to even discuss this, but it plays an important part in what we're going to discuss later of this, for lack of better word, match that was set up by the media

09:10 as you heard in the last clip. Exactly. I will say this. Trump wanted no parts of Obama in 2012. He knew he couldn't be Obama. He could say that, oh, yeah, I would think I'm out running or, you know, he knew he couldn't be Obama. He was smart enough not to. Not to pursue it, but to set himself up, obviously. Yep. He was setting himself up because he knew Hillary was next. He knew she was a weak candidate. So it was like proxy war, right? I'm going to have war on Obama to set up for 2016. Yes. And this was, to me, it's always been a very intentional move. So absolutely. Yeah. And it's one of the things Donald Trump is always great at that

09:51 he'll pick out a topic to talk about that. way, he can come back and slam you later. And we see this with Kaylee, right? I mean, they pick out these certain topics where when it gets to the mainstream, it's like, but what about this? And they'll point to some evidence. But this one, to reach the audience, just to be clear, the searching for the birth certificate was only deemed racist because of the color of Obama's skin. Correct. And that's to me is what's so interesting. He never said, I got to check this guy because the color of his skin.

10:34 He had a weird story, which was the problem, but it was immediately by the media countered as racist. And I think that's the same thing. Yeah, because race sales. I mean, that's, I mean, the media saw as we can pit a white man against a black man. They're very powerful, and it'll be great for ratings. That's why they gave Trump all the air. It wasn't just Fox News. No, no, it was everybody. CBS, ABC, NBC. Everybody was in on it because they were like, this is a sensational story to cover just for sheer ratings. And just as a little bit of backstory, maybe you'll come back to that. But the actual rumor that started with the Democrats was started by Hillary Clinton's campaign managers at the time.

11:18 They started it. Sorry, goggles, or is it okay for me to say that? No, no, no, no, no. It's perfectly okay for you to say that because that is the truth. But it's one thing about doing the work is you're going to realize certain conversations are not even worth having. Right. Because they're going to derail. Exactly. So saying that is not worth it. But it's good information for people to have. No, it's good information for you to have, but it's if you're trying to work past something. That's not good. It's like, you know what? It's not even worth because you're not going to take Obama out of office. I mean, nobody's going to walk into the White House like, you don't belong here because of your birth certificate. So it was a non-starter.

12:00 But I will say this. It was used by both sides, as you're going to hear in the next two clips, for their purpose. One with Trump, he was setting up for 2016. And Obama, well, let's just listen to 3.1 to see how Obama used it. Obama reluctantly released more proof of his citizenship. Now, as many of you have been briefed, we provided additional information today about the site of my birth. This thing just kept on going. Yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4th, 1961, in Capiolani Hospital.

12:41 We've posted the certification that is given by the state of Hawaii three days later. It was time for payback. The president uses the White House correspondence dinner that year with Donald Trump in the room to completely ridicule Donald Trump in front of this audience that, you know, that journalists and lobbyists and government officials and people who at that time Trump wanted to have the respect of. All right, everybody, please have a seat. Donald Trump is here tonight.

13:25 No one is happier. No one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing? And the fact that that was done at the Washington correspondence dinner was dynamite because the footage belonged to everybody and everybody was in the room. It was, it was, it was, and it was, Obama obliterated him.

14:05 He did. And it was set up perfectly because here's Trump under a spotlight, it seemed like. It was coming down on him and Obama's behind, you know, on his own stage behind the mic, and he's just grilling Trump. And then you see this look on Trump's face, like, I've never been talked to before like this, and not can't lash out, right? And by the way, he could just scowl on his face. You could fill in the blank. Like, here's the thought bubble some people saw. I've never been talked to like that, especially not by a black man. I mean, you can see people think about it. Of course, that was the beautiful. That was the extent of how people spun it.

14:45 And that may even be his case. But I don't think Donald Trump will let anybody. That's why I didn't make the race distinction. I don't think Donald Trump would let anybody talk to him like that because it's just his personality makeup, which we're going to look into deeper as we did with Barack Obama on 44. But what we have to do is we have to look at this. Now, this is just my conspiracy theory. I think this whole Bertha thing was a limited hangout for somebody to latch on to be it the Republicans and then be made look like fools. Because if we say what we laid out in last show, Barack Obama coming from the intelligence apparatus, being a product of George Poppy Bush,

15:31 he could have had a perfectly legit birth certificate if they wanted him to have one. But they throw out, first of all, first of all, they throw out this short. I never heard of a short form, short form. Short form birth certificate. Yeah, that was kind of. I don't even know what that is. It was kind of insulting, really. It wasn't really any proof of anything. Right. But then you lay that out there as like bait for people to look into. And then it's like. Yeah, I like this concept. So what if since it originated in the Hillary campaign, that was the limited hangout.

16:11 That could have been bait. Maybe she was also thinking ahead to 2016. Hey, let's go. No, but maybe they expect her to take the bait, but she didn't because she's savvy with the intelligence agencies. That's my, let me just, let me just complete my because like they had it all teed up, but they know how it will land. Like, right. She's like, I've been around black people long enough to know this is not going to work. That's not a good idea, right? But Trump coming along, he needs to make a splash. So it's like, okay, I'll take the heat. Maybe even he believed it. I mean, I'm not saying he didn't believe it, but even if he didn't believe it, it's like this allowed me to make a splash with the constituents that I want to make a splash with.

16:53 And the media being complicit, they'll help me. Right. But I don't think he planned for what he got on that night with Obama. That was, that was, and they had that profile shot of him. And it's, it was just, it was a beautiful shot. You could just see his hair kind of melting a little bit. On fire. It was like on fire. It was on fire. You're right. It was on fire. That was beautiful. But I don't think Obama realized what the consequences are going to be for poking, you know, poking the bear, a billion-dollar bear. Right. Because billionaires have a sense of some, I'm not going to say all, but because, but they have a sense of I'll crush my competition.

17:33 Yes. And certainly they just let, well, we stop at 3.1. Let's go into three. Let's go into 3.2 to explain that concept. You, Mr. Trump, recognize that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately you didn't blame Lil John or Meatloaf. You're fired very abusive. And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir. Well handled. But it just kept going and going and he just kept hammering him.

18:18 And I thought, oh, Barack Obama is starting something that I don't know if he'll be able to finish. Say what you will about Mr. Trump. He certainly would bring some change to the White House. Let's see what we got up there. I think that is the night that he resolves to run for president. I think that he is kind of motivated by it. Maybe I'll just run. Maybe I'll show them all. Every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to President Trump. It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him.

19:03 It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. Yeah, a big F you. Huge. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I think that now we have to start looking at Trump is a very sensitive person and not in the nice term, but he's highly anything you say to him, he has to fire back 10 times harder. And I think this lit the fire under him to really, I think he was always going to run in 2016.

19:39 Maybe he'd have ran and got a few percentage points, but when when he had what he thinks his so-called peers laughing at him and his detractors laughing at him in a room, and you have this guy up here just beating the hell out of you with the microphone. I think this is what really made him take the 2016 campaign serious. And at this point in his own personal career, he had quite a lot of audience understanding under his belt with the TV show. Yeah, the apprentice. Yeah, I mean,

20:24 he really understood how audiences respond and how it works with the marketing of the show. And he understands, he understood television very, very well. And it's one brand of television that he understood very well. That's just a little teaser where we're going in the show. But before we get there, we have to look at the personality of Donald Trump and ask the question: is he a narcissist? Donald Trump's narrative is that he is a self-made superman who's smarter and better educated than everybody else. But a new book from his own niece suggests what everyone but his base has already figured out.

21:01 He's a fraud. I have no problem calling Donald a narcissist. He meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. But the label gets us only so far. Mary Trump also portrays her uncle as a traumatized rich kid with daddy issues, calling him a clinical narcissist. His personality served his father's purpose. That's what sociopaths do. They co-opt others and use them toward their own ends, ruthlessly and efficiently, with no tolerance or dissent for dissent or resistance. By limiting Donald's access to his own feelings and rendering many of them unacceptable, Fred perverted his son's perception of the world and damaged his ability to live in it.

21:44 It's always so nice to see television hosts doing psychological analysis with the DSM4 manual next to them. Well, if they can do it, we can do it. Oh, yes, indeed. We can. Okay, let's just say that. I want to say this. I think this is the rip. I'm going to say this before we get into the non-signs of narcissism. I think this is the issue, that's the IST, that we really should be paying attention to, not the other is that's labeled, that's Trump labeled with. Oh, the R is versus the narcissist.

22:25 Yes, which you can't spell racist. I mean, you can't spell narcissists without racist in a weird way. Oh, like that. Very narcissistic. Okay. Yes. But I think that Trump's, because if no pun intended there, but I think it trumps the racism because we'll start to look at if you're self-serving, you'll step on anybody to get what you want. Yes. And I think that's what's misconstrued about Mr. Donald J. Trump. And as she said in that, one more thing before we get into the little game we're going to play. They said Trump had daddy issues. So this is one of those things where I am what I say you are.

23:08 Yes, projection. It's total projection. Because the thought is that feminists and people that don't like the patriarchy have daddy issues. So now they flip this thing right back around and saying Trump is a very fragile person because of the way his dad brought him up. So now we have daddy's issues being, we talked about daddy issues last show with the dad not being there. Now we have the domineering father. Yeah, the abusive. And I want people to understand this is why we talk about the patriarchy and why a healthy father-child relationship is so important.

23:48 Because if it's non-existent or if it's abusive or toxic. Yeah. And this is not some discovery we've made, by the way. No, no, it's not. It's just that we just reinforce that with the characters that play out in our everyday lives in the media. So with that said, would you like to play signs of a narcissist? Yes. Okay. So I guess how this works is we listen to a clue, then we decide if it's correct or not. Is that the idea? Yes, we go down the non-signs that Miss Reed alluded to in the DSM. All right. Tell me if it's true or not true.

24:31 All right. All right. Here we go. Running it down. We start with sign number one. The signature characteristics of many persons. personality disorders can be quite unpleasant, such as the case of narcissistic personality disorder. Interacting with an MPD sufferer can be confusing, frustrating, and even hurtful. The MPD individual will often overlook or ignore many of these traits that make them unlikable. Here are nine signs which may be a result of narcissism. One, instead of listening, they're wrapped up in their own opinion. Instead of listening, they're wrapped up in their own opinion.

25:16 What do you think? Well, I've seen the president in when he does like a listening session with people and he'll bring in either companies or individuals. Whenever I see him in a big now, it's usually when he's either about to announce something or wants to announce something, and he does seem to listen, but that's only in those cases. So I don't know. Do you have a what do you think? I think you're you're you're exactly right. It depends on his setting. And we noticed this with Trump.

25:55 Depending on his audience, we get a different reaction. So I would say that's true, but not there's some leeway there. Okay. Depending on his audience. So we get a and uh we get a little bit all wrong. Yes. Okay. All right. All right. You know what? I'll let you control the signs and we'll just keep rolling. Okay. All right. Here we go with number two. Two, they tend to cheat in relationships. Narcissists feel they're treasures that are too good for anyone. Bring this attitude into a relationship and you have lightning waiting to strike. Cheating is often a way for narcissists to build their ego.

26:39 That's wrong. I think that in general, I think he's very loyal to people. Yes, he's had multiple marriages, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a serial cheater. Wow. I think we're all I think we see Trump through two different prisms. Are we looking at two different people? Well, yeah, obviously. Depends on where you see him. But yeah, of course, if I at face value, yes, he's cheated on well, he's cheated on at least one wife that we know of.

27:19 We don't know why. And when I say relationships, I'm not talking about just romantic relationships. Right. But I'm talking about business relationships. You know, you hear the stories about him and contractors. It's like, sue me. So I think that's very true. Yes, you're right. I'm going to give you a... I'm going to give you a. That's true for that one. Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm in on that. Let's go. All right. Let's go to number three. Three, they constantly need to be admired. If you've seen a narcissist, maybe you've seen that they almost swagger, oozing conceit and arrogance with every breath.

28:00 They may look like they possess tremendous confidence, but it's not enough. They need constant admiration. The delusion of always being entitled to admiration is why people around them often find themselves emotionally drained. To them, there's no greater rush than being put on a pedestal and worshiped by their fans and followers. It's true. That's true. That's a triple true. No argument on that one. Triple true. Triple true. I think we agree on that. Well, I would say one thing, though. They said that the people around them become emotionally drained. I think that's what the effect they call the Trump derangement syndrome.

28:42 That people become just so drained by his personality that it has a negative effect on them. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I think that's the number one bad trait he has. Even people who like him or are interested in hearing his policy get really tired of his personality. Yeah. Some people. You know, I think some people like the fact that he's a troll. Yes, but I think that's a smaller number than people who are just like, okay, I don't want to listen to it. Okay. Michael Moore. I don't want to talk a lot between these clips, but Michael Moore said one thing.

29:23 He said he predicted Trump would win because he said the regular man would see Trump as a big F you to the establishment. For sure. For sure. So that's where I'm coming at with my angle. angle. So continue on. Four. They do not take any criticism well. Have you ever commented on something someone said and they lashed out at you? Maybe the reaction was more hostile than expected. They think they're superior to others around them and believe themselves to be infallible. They react poorly, maybe yelling, throwing a tantrum, or with another unreasonable response when they perceive what you've said might be criticism.

30:04 It's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Now I got that one. Okay. It's not looking too good for us. He's looking pretty and NPD-ish. Let's go to five. Five. They exploit others without guilt or shame. Narcissism and empathy don't go hand in hand. Narcissists are unwilling to see the world from the perspective of others. As a result, they're able to exploit others without any feeling of remorse. They can manipulate people to fulfill their own needs without regard for the consequences that their actions may have on others. It's true. It's true. Definitely true. Definitely true.

30:49 Do you like to add? You want to continue on? No, we can go to six. Six, they belittle others. The narcissist thinks they're the best and brightest, so seeing proof that dictates otherwise, like someone who is more talented than they are at a particular activity, is a rude shock. The response is to make sure that the person is below them, where the narcissist feels most others belong. They try to be dismissive about the other person to show that they don't really even care about them. And if that doesn't work, they resort to personal attacks. Well,

31:29 that's true. That's true. And I think that's the birth. I think that's birthyism in a nutshell. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Okay, on to seven. Seven. Yes. They see themselves as more attractive than they really are. Despite the fact that everyone should feel attractive, there's a fine line between a healthy self-image and being delusional. This line is often crossed by narcissists who believe that they are exceptionally attractive regardless of having any imperfections. The narcissist uses this perceived superior attractiveness to justify to themselves why they're too good for everyone.

32:11 Oh man. This is not looking good for 45 Savage right now. Let's go to number eight. Eight. They gaslight those who are dear to them. It's true. Have you ever noticed feeling that you can't remember anything correctly around a specific person? When you're with that person, do you feel a little like you've lost your mind? That's due to gaslighting, a tactic narcissists use in order to manipulate and gain power and control over those around them. Gaslighting is frightening because it's insidious. The manipulation is lengthy and gradual, so the victim doesn't notice it happening.

32:55 Let's ask the ladies. That's true. Yeah, they know exactly what's going on. All right. Well, number nine, then it's the last on the list. Nine. They put some people on pedestals. It's true. Our last sign seems oddly contradictory to the other signs, but it is very logical, and here's why. Narcissists believe that they have to have perfection in everything, including people they associate with. A narcissist will often cozy up to someone higher in status, believing that their perfection will somewhat rub onto them. Oh, man. Okay. What did we get? I think we got seven definites.

33:40 We got one split vote and pretty much all true. Okay. Gee, sounds like he's a narcissist, Moe. And I'm not a doctor. You're not a doctor. But maybe Miss Maureen Dowd could chime in on this since she could speak on the classical clinical narcissist. Is that a weakness, though, that a lot of politicians have that they like the people who like them and dislike the people who dislike them? Yes, Trump is just a very extreme version of other narcissistic Pauls. Or, you know, he is, you know, he's a classic clinical narcissist, so he's missing empathy.

34:25 He has no ability to take a punch, you know, if anyone criticizes. criticizes him, he can't let it go. He's like a dog with a bone, like with Miss Universe or earlier with Megan Kelly. So he's just a much more extreme version of the typical garden variety form of narcissism you see in DC with politicians all the time. Yeah, okay. But I think that's how he won in business. I'm quite sure of it. Yeah, he's a correction of himself. And we're going to talk about that a little later. But as she said, in here, all politicians or most politicians are narcissists. And we'll see some of the biggest

35:10 resistance, for lack of a better word, that we've seen for Donald Trump has been the media personalities with the biggest personalities. Say Don Lemon. Say everybody in the White House. Yeah, say everybody. So they're rubbed the wrong way by his narcissism, but it only exposes their narcissism, their narcissistic behavior as well. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's a beautiful mechanism. It's a strange phenomenon that he exposes them by being who he truly is, but he's only truly himself half the time.

35:49 Right. Exactly. So Andrew Shirle and uh Aska, I think it's Akash Singh. Yeah. They have a podcast together and they discuss: is Donald Trump a racist? Off the gut, there's no facts to back this up whatsoever. But I think this is what Trump is when it comes to race. I think Trump is, and maybe purposefully so, ignorant to the minority experience in America.

36:24 And because he is, he doesn't have the same level of empathy or compassion that someone who has watched maybe their black friend get harassed by the cops or these types of things. So his mind, he's like, no, I just treat everybody equal. Like, remember back in the day when I was partying with all the rappers and everybody thought I was cool? Yeah, I just treated them like regular guys. And I think the rappers and stuff back in the day were all like, yeah, he's just some rich dude, but he just treats you regular. He don't even fucking care. And I think they were kind of seduced by that, but they never had conversation with Trump about like empowerment in these neighborhoods and that kind of stuff like that. So he, I don't know if he's hateful of minorities. I do not think that he's empathetic.

37:10 Interesting. One of the signs. Yeah. Yeah. Lack of empathy. Yep. No empathy. I think Andrew is speaking to more of him being a narcissist as well, that he's just oblivious to other people's feelings. It's just my way of the highway. Pretty much. We just understand, take a little time. And this is where I talk about sometimes on the show the seven habits of highly effective people. Yes. And one of those is seek first to understand, then to be understood. And this is why Donald Trump became a fascinating character to me because I sought to understand where he's coming from.

37:51 And it's dependent upon who he's talking to. He'll change his facts. He's not tied to ideology, right? It's all about what's best for pushing forward whatever. Whatever he wants to achieve. Yes, whatever he wants to achieve. And I think, as you pointed out prior, that that did make him a successful businessman because he's not tied to one method of business. It's, does this work? No, okay. Let's go get some more experts. And that's where you see him constantly cashing out people. Even in his cabinet, it's like, oh, these are the smartest people.

38:30 And he brings them. Oh, they're dumb. Take them out. And it's like, bring some more smart people in. And six months later, they're dumb. And it's just this constant evolution. Very much like the apprentice, actually. Yeah. And I think that's the business model that he accepted. And I think that just feeds out of you can answer this question for me. His sister's a judge, right? And his brother, I think, drank himself, you know what I'm saying, into his demise. Yeah. Does he have any other siblings? I'm a little bit more. I think he has,

39:11 I think he has another brother. And I think he's highly successful as well. I believe so. Yeah. So I think Trump became successful, but in the way he knew how. And that's, you know. know, that's being Donald Trump. He's like, I'm going to be the best at being Donald Trump. And that's going to carry me all the way. So I got a second clip from the same podcast, and they talk about the brand of Donald Trump. I actually think he's a marketing genius. But take that in, and let's address that. What do you guys think about? I don't, I don't think, I think maybe, but he also doesn't care. I think he is.

39:51 He doesn't care his lack of empathy. No, but like, I think, yeah, he's just looking at it as the main thing to me is like, I know how to win. I know how to market myself as a winner. Remove win. Like, talk about the man. Like, not about winning the election. Like, truly, like, like, I remember it really, the light bulb went off for me when he said to black people, he's like, what do you got to lose? Just come to, like, that was his pitch to black people. His pitch to black people is like, we're going to help you. We're going to figure out. I understand what you go through. I understand the tough things about the systemic racism that you've experienced has created these environments. Literally, the thing was, yeah, it sucks. Just try it.

40:32 He grew up with three siblings. Okay. No, three, three elder siblings, Mary Ann, Fred Jr., Elizabeth, and one younger brother, Robert. And so Fred Jr. is, he's no longer there, but Robert is. But yes. I'm sure that put a lot of pressure on him, Fred Jr., the way he turned out. And I think that's where he wanted to please his father. So, I mean, there is some validity there. Because we have to talk about how the raising of these people shaped who they are. And Donald Trump figured out, I can be the best at being me. And that's all I need to do. And it'll get me a long way through life. And it certainly has. It definitely has.

41:16 But it rubs people the wrong way because you got to look at who his peers are now in the circles he's in. They're very highly educated. They, you know, cross the T's and dot every I. And it's like, how'd this guy get to the same place? Or a lot of these politicians and news reporters had dreams of being president. Yeah. You know, they just kind of got derailed along the way, but then that even rubs them even more. Like, this is just a mess. How did he do that? How does that work? Yeah. I bet he's not even a billionaire. Let's go prove it. Yep. So I think we're going to get back to those comments that he made to the so-called black community, but we need to lay out some things first.

41:59 And first of all, we need to figure out how Donald Trump created Donald Trump. Before he was a presidential candidate. And I've been saying for years, keep the oil, keep the oil. Don't let him have the oil. Before he was a reality TV star, you're fired. Donald Trump was a New York tabloid fixture. All through the 1980s, Trump was busy building something new, and it wasn't a skyscraper. Billionaire developer Donald Trump has put his name on a New York City hotel, shopping center, and apartment buildings, as well as a casino in Atlantic City. And now he's going to put his name on a big piece of Eastern Airlines. Trump was creating a public persona. One that could be both funny and demeaning. Arrogant and somehow in touch with the common man.

42:43 I sort of love and hate him at the same time. I mean, I think he has, you know, a monumental ego. He comes off as being very, what's the word I'm looking for? Arrogant? Yeah, he's arrogant. I like him. He man's got a name. He got everything. He often did this by picking fights. He said, I think Donald Trump is an artful liar. I think he is a greedy, vicious, and arrogant man. Well, I don't know. Is that supposed to be a compliment or not? I'm not sure. He waged a years-long battle with New York City Mayor Ed Koch. I hope that New York City has a different mayor at some point because I think Ed Koch is a total disaster.

43:19 He's been a very bad mayor for the city. He helped launch a competitor to the NFL called the U.S. Football League and then launched a lawsuit against the NFL when the USFL failed. The jury in the case delivered its verdict. It ruled the NFL did indeed monopolize pro football, but it awarded damages of just $1. Oh, yeah. So there's your NFL. There's your NFL beef. And it's ongoing. And it's like, okay, if you notice, you know, father, son of a bitch, you know, that kind of thing.

43:55 And then it's now he's like, now that the NFL has, because the NFL wasn't taking action against Colin Kaepernick, and now he came back, was like, oh, you know, I think Colin Kaepernick deserves another chance. It's like, whatever to cause chaos. Gaslighting. For his enemies. That's fantastic. Exactly. So we're seeing he's not tied to anything. And if you understand that about him, then you understand him greater. And I guess for everybody, everyone has a little bit of narcissism in them. It kind of shows, it makes you feel like, oh my God, that's so ugly.

44:35 But in your subconscious, like, gosh, I'm kind of like that. You know, you're projecting your own ugliness when you recognize it almost. It's odd. And the Democrat, I mean, excuse me, and the demographics that hate him the most, the young millennials are the most narcissistic. So that's the weirdest thing. It's like everything they do is vain. It's like, look at me. Look at me, look at myself. You like my pose. Yeah, look at me, eat. Look at me, you know, do this. Look at me, you know, best life ever. Yeah, living my best life ever. Right. But then they have to stay for him.

45:11 But they, it's this weird. I always said the best thing that ever happened was Donald Trump getting elected because he kind of pulled back the veil on everything. Now we have to, all the behaviors that he does that we all still do, it points out people as hypocrites. Right. And one of the things I don't want to do, that's why I don't have a seated hatred for Donald Trump. One, I don't have that for any person, but if I hold him accountable for something, then I have to hold myself accountable for it. But I think a lot of people don't do that. And that's why they could easily hate Trump, but live with themselves. Mo. Are you secretly a psychologist? Do you have a degree?

45:55 Do you have a medical license? I think you've been holding. I have a mom that's a therapist. So, I mean, that'll do it. She screwed up her kid well. Good job, mom. Oh, let's see. So we stopped off with, I foreshadowed there was one industry that had the hugest impact on Donald Trump. And everybody wants to say, oh, it was Facebook. It was the Russians. It was this. It was that why he won the election, the data collection that he did. No. Donald Trump had one tactic, and that was to basically turn the presidential race of 2016 into a wrestling match.

46:37 Before he was president, Donald Trump was once part of a world that celebrated body slams, obnoxious taunts. I'm taller than you. I'm better looking than you. And men in Spandex costumes. It's called WrestleMania. And during the 2000s, Trump found himself center stage, playing a character named, of course, Donald Trump. In 2007, he appeared at a series of pro wrestling events, playing a rival to Vince McMahon, who was chairman of World Wrestling Entertainment, also known as the WWE. WrestleMania fights were scripted. And the climax of their so-called rivalry was an episode where Trump shaved McMahon's head.

47:14 Oh, no, my God. Trump also hosted WrestleMania events at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City in the 80s. Recently, he picked McMahon's wife, Linda, to lead the small business administration. Oh, right. Now, he's making the presidency his wrestling ring. On Sunday, he tweeted a doctor clip from his 2007 bout showing him wrestling with CNN. Oh, man. CNN condemned the tweet, saying, It is a sad day when the president of the United States encourages violence against reporters. It's so clear now when you think of it in these terms. This is great. This is very exciting, Mo. I have a new look on the situation. Although, very familiar things. It all feels familiar.

47:59 His whole approach was a wrestling approach. The cities that he stopped at, the arenas that he used. I mean, McMahon gave him the whole blueprint of like, here, because in wrestling. Here's your stage on song. You know, the one you come out to, here's the one you leave to. Here's the shit you do for your family. The scowl when he comes out. You know, he gets your signature, your signature phrase, your signature thumbs. Oh, yeah. Incredible. And he took this blueprint of how do I reach everyday men? Well, everyday men in the places that he want to reach, like pro wrestling. So what did he give them?

48:40 A pro wrestler show. Knock the hell out of them. I'll pay for it. I mean, like, that was like that was a, can you smell what the rock is cooking kind of thing? Or, you know, the Stone Coast Steve Austin. Yeah. It has everything except the, and it's raucous. I mean, that's what the word is attached to these rallies. It's raucous because it gets the people going. But if you ever watched wrestling, it's very visceral. It's raucous, but yet it's completely safe for a family outing. Like a WWE Max. Exactly. It's like you can bring your. the kids, you can bring the wife, you can bring everybody. You can all hang out. Y'all can yell. Y'all can yell and cuss and do whatever you want to.

49:23 We hate you. And he gives them that. You have everything except for the match, right? Because it's like, it's called the promo. He's come in and his rallies is the prom, it's actually a term in wrestling. And I identified this because growing up, I'm going to say this about a little inside baseball. There's a high percentage of black people that enjoy wrestling. And especially older people. One of my good friends, his grandma would order every WrestleMania. I don't care what she had to do. She was going to get WrestleMania. And he tapped into that

50:04 demographic. Yeah. Oh, and the demographic. If you know his stops, it's the same stops where WWE was stopped using the same exact format, the same forms. The same format, the same venue, and the venues. Oh, my goodness. I did not know this. This is great. We figured out his strategy, his plan. Yeah, and we're going to even more expose it a little bit more, but let's get into the second wrestling clip. Producers and others who worked in and follow pro wrestling told the Associated Press that Trump's blunt communication style is similar to his win-it-all costs wrestling character. Your great fruits are no match for my Trump Towers.

50:49 Like pro wrestlers, he uses catchphrases and attaches insults to rivals' names. They see echoes of pro wrestling in Trump's appearances, too. His backlit slow walk at the Republican convention, his tiger-like pacing on stage behind Hillary Clinton during a presidential debate. One former event producer said Trump employed a classic tactic at a news conference when he ordered CNN reporter Jim Acosta to be quiet. Taking a page from what many think of as the fake sport of pro wrestling, Trump lashed out. You are fake news, sir. Can you stay categorically that nobody's going to be able to do that? You know, and so many, so many times we've talked about, or I know I've talked about Trump is like a WWE wrestling match, but when you really lay it all out and you break down the elements of pro wrestling, I mean, we can

51:42 almost predict every single thing that's going to happen next. Now, not necessarily the outcome. He doesn't control all of the script, but man, he knows what the audience wants as long as he can create that one next media event to carry them through to the one after that. He plays everybody like a fiddle. And not only wrestling, but he was very close with boxing as well. And boxing has the same aspect of you, you only have one fight, right? Fight night, but you have to build it up over a matter of three months, six months. That way you get people engaged and want to say, I'm going to spend this $75, $75,000 pay-per-view.

52:22 Absolutely. So this is what I witnessed. And it really clicked with me. I mean, I noticed it, but it really clicked with me when he came to Leesburg right before the 2000, I mean, 16 election. And the people stayed until 2 o'clock in the morning for him to show up because he was running late. And it's like, wow, like this is amazing that he would, like, these people are, they really want their show. They're there for the show. It's not about politics or policy or none of that crap. It's about we got our guy that talks the biggest crap. And, you know, he's the biggest, baddest crap talker.

53:02 And I'm going to say this, and I might get killed for it, but I honestly believe one of the things so-called black people have a problem with is Obama wasn't that for us. That he wouldn't, you know, just go to the mat, for lack of a better term, but, you know, just like lay it out there. I'm for my people, you know, screw y'all, that kind of thing. And we see it followed up behind him. It's like, wow, why don't we have that? Why did he, why did he ride for us the way that Trump rides for his base? Could you give an example of how he would ride? I mean, what would the TV show equivalent of Obama's format be? What could he say that was unique? So say, for instance, I mean, just being vocal for your base.

53:47 That's the thing, like with Trayvon Martin or these other things. He was kind of like, well, we'll have to wait and see. You know, that kind of thing. Like, Trump, he's out there. Oh, we're going to get to the bottom of it. You know, very fine people. That kind of thing. It's the vocalness of it. It's not. It's not even. Yeah. We didn't know you could play that way. It's like, we didn't know you could play. could play president by those rules. We got screwed for eight years. I mean, just out of the, you know, out of the, you know, the just having somebody to, you know, like, where was up? Where was the black version of this guy? Is what you're thinking. Right. Yeah, I got you. Because we were always told, you got to build the coalition. You got to have the greater coalition.

54:29 This guy's like, I'm for my 40%. And whatever they want, my 40% gets. So that kind of thing. It's like, we missed out on that. I think that's, I think that's a real sentiment with Obama. So, yeah, with Obama. Now, this is Triple H, and he makes a statement that Trump may think that wrestling is real. Sam, you got a question for Triple H? You're always good with the question. Yeah, sure. How worried were you when you thought Vince McMahon was dead? Oh, man, I was scared to death. If I hadn't seen them pre-tape it where he got in and out of the car, of course, you're talking about the Wimbo explosion.

55:11 We saw that. What kills me is so many people call. I mean, the office next day, like, people, I'm not kidding you. Like, and they'll probably be mad at me for saying like, Trump called and was like, did something happen to Vince? Did Trump not understand that that was a skin? That's the magic of television. All right, we got to get out of here, Triple H. All right, so this is something I wasn't aware of. What happened with this? So Vince McMahon had this, they had a, you know, no, a gag for lack of a better word, but where his limousine blew up. And obviously, Trump called Triple H and was like, is Vince okay?

55:54 And he didn't know this? He wasn't in on that gag? I don't believe so. No, he wasn't in on it, but it's just that one thing you're going to find out, a lot of people think wrestling is real. And you get a lot of put. I mean, I had an uncle that, man, he would kick you out of his house if you said wrestling was fake. So, I mean, it's a real touchy thing. So, I'm just laying out the pathology of a typical wrestling fan that they buy into even Trump being a wrestling fan himself. He thought it was a good idea. They buy into this. Into the scam. Oh, my goodness. Now, we had to get into the nuts and bolts of how a wrestling production gets down.

56:39 Ah, good. And I love this. So, this is from Pro Wrestling 101, and this is getting heel heat. Today, I want to talk about getting heel heat. And what I mean by that is, you know, more than just being a heel is being hated. Too many times nowadays, I think fans and wrestlers want to be a heel, but they want to be liked. They want to be cheered. They want to be cool. And nowadays, I think so many guys don't know what it really means to get heel heat. You know, it just means, to me, at least, being the worst possible guy, the worst possible competitor, you could be out there.

57:23 I mean, it's more than, you know, guys, you say be a heel, indie guys, and even in the big stage, even in WWE, I find it, and even, especially in TNA, where guys go out there and they just cut a promo and they knock everybody down and they yell and they scream and, you know, they do the stereotypical bad guy heel thing. But it's so much more than that. If you look at the classics, the real guys that stand out, they cheated to win. They were ruthless to win. They, you know, they were whatever the babyface was, they were the complete opposite of what he stood for. And it meant going for it in there. I mean, if it, I mean, it's about kicking somebody when they're down.

58:05 It's about doing anything cerebral, you know, that you could do to just combat what that babyface is doing. Sounds so familiar. So now let's go back and look at the birther situation through this lens of the wrestling narrative. Okay. Okay, I need to define a few terms here. So the heel is the bad guy. He's set to be the bad guy. And then you have the babyface, which that's the good guy. And so in the birth of situation, Obama's the babyface. Everybody loves him.

58:46 And Trump's the heel. And Trump set himself up to be the heel. He knew how toxic the birth of thing would be, but he's like, no, as the gentleman just laid out, and then here, I have to do the most despicable thing possible to be identified as the heel in the relationship. relationship, according to the audience. Yes, and then the audience is going to take up for the babyface, of course. But he knew that going in. Like I said, all this was planned. Other than I don't think he wouldn't let Babyface Barry get the best of him. So babyface Barry. Okay. So

59:30 I think that's the only miscalculation he had, but that was still a fuel for him. Yeah, to drive it for the comeback. Of course. He didn't need any great wrestling band. It's got to come back, you bet. You got to have the comeback. But let's get into Heel Heat 2. But it's so much more than that. It's about deliberate, nasty aggression. It's about just, you know, cheating to win. It's about breaking rules and just doing everything that is not right. And sometimes you got to think about it. It's not that cut and dry. It's not black and white. And more guys aren't doing it because there's easier ways out of it.

1:00:09 But if you look in history and in today's wrestling business of guys that have success, and there are very few today, but especially back in the 80s, if you go back and look at some of the classic heels in our business, you will see what that is. I mean, and it could be small things. Okay. So who are the classic heels from wrestling? Well, if we're going to look at a heel, we got to look at the heel of all heels, Mr. Ric Flair. Wrestling Ric Flair, and here is the world heavyweight champion. You know, girls, why don't you give it to him one more time?

1:00:51 That's who's standing there today. The world heavyweight champion. Only what? And you're looking. Oh, girls, I can't stand it. Now I got to talk. We all got to be quiet. Nikita Koloff. We've only just begun. That's the end of it. Dusty Rhodes. Don't ever make a mistake of sticking your nose in my business. And if I'm down and out, I'll get up and take care of myself. So, Dusty Rhodes, remember, when you walk out here, talking Ric Flair,

1:01:31 don't think you can walk in that ring and give me a hand or try to help me out and ease the tension in our relationship. Philadelphia, I'm going to tear it up. Pensacola, Florida, when I get to town, we're going to treat all you women the way women ought to be treated. Because you, the NWA and Saria men are going to take that civic center apart. And then we're all going to be over at Rodeo driving the women wild. Does he sound like Rally Trump? Pretty much. Pretty much.

1:02:12 Mike, Lil Marco. Exactly. Little Marco, bubble boy. You know, as I alluded to before, knock the hell out of him. Get him out of here. I mean, even he even has friendly fire, right? I mean, he kicked one guy out that was overweight. And he's like, look how fat he is. And it was actually one of his own guys. One of his supporters. Oh, yes, I remember that. I remember that. And the supporter even took a picture with him after. He's like, yeah, you're right. I needed to get out. I'm a fatso, and let's take a picture. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He even kicked the baby out. It's like, get that baby out of here. I don't think a lot of people have really done this depth of analysis, Mo.

1:02:52 This is very interesting. I love it. And also, you know, the angle where you're coming. I'm not, I mean, of course, I've watched wrestling. My daughter loves wrestling. I know people who love wrestling, but now it's like we get a free wrestling show. You don't have to pay $75 for pay-per-view. Just have to watch it. And the wrestling part, I want people to understand the wrestling part, the actual match and the pins and the moves. That's only a small portion of the show. Yes. I mean, if you actually come in, I grew up, I was forced to watch wrestling because my older brother, not my oldest, but my older brother, he was a huge fan.

1:03:30 So he would come in Saturday mornings, whatever I'm watching, hey, turn it over to WWF or NWA, those kind of things. And so I grew out of it kind of young. I mean, maybe 9, 10. I mean, I still liked it, but Ric Flair is like one of my favorite characters, period. I mean, not even just wrestling. I'm talking about in life because one, he's from North Carolina. He was the nature boy. And I never saw. saw anybody talk as much, excuse my language, cash shit as him and do it so well. Do it so well. Right. We're just everybody else alive. What question? Girls all around the world keep asking me the same question.

1:04:16 They all want to know. They don't want to know. And my cousin Arnie's the one that put this across. They all want to know what's causing all this. You know what it is? Intensified beef products. You're talking about all man. Rick Flay. The world. Henry Way Tennyson. All right. Woo! One more time, girls. Rick, Rick. Woo! Oh, man. I'm on fire today. Nature, boy.

1:04:56 That's totally it. Totally. Totally. That's Trump all day. And if you listen to the prior clip to that one, Rick started to name the cities. He's called a Florida. Philadelphia. Same cities Trump goes to with his arenas. Oh, my. But that is, but it is super important that he gets that arena, and that is kind of his big payoff. It's not really complete unless people can come to the arena. And this has been the problem with the Rona. And that's why the rallies were so demonized because they understand that's the energy base. That's where it happens. That is the energy base. And I'm going to lay out something here.

1:05:38 And we'll play the next clip after I lay this out that it's not about Trump either. It's bigger than Trump now. These rallies have people that go from rally to rally to rally, following him like a rock band. Like the Grateful Dead. Exactly. So they don't, they're going to go out and vote just to keep the show going for another four years. It doesn't matter about his policy, none of that. It's like it gives older people something to get out the house about. It's like, you know, he's going to come. And it's a free show. It's a free show. It's a free show. Yeah. But I bet you they support him value for value. Cause, I mean, it's they get the free show, but then they get he gets the campaign donations versus campaign donations, the retweets.

1:06:25 It's a trade-off. But the point I'm trying to make here is not only do they not want to see Trump leave, they don't want to see this phenomenon or this experience of coming to their city two, three times in the next four years. They don't want to give that up. Like Lollapalooza. Exactly. So let's get to the New Jersey Trump rally. Massive crowds. Look at these gathering in Wildwood, waiting to hear the president speak. Some of his supporters have been camping out there for more than two days now. We have team coverage for you. Let's start with News Force Brian Thompson live in Wildwood among those massive crowds. Brian. Yeah, and the crowds are pretty big out here.

1:07:05 I got to say, police estimating a little while ago, at least 12,500 going in or on the streets here of Wildwood. They opened the doors a little before three, but look, you can still see there's kind of an through those people. There's an end of the line there. But my guess is at this point, they probably won't get in. The story all day. The lines of people waiting and hoping to get in 7,400-seat convention center. Before you could say you were at the end of the line, more people got in line behind you. If you don't get in. It's not a bad thing. I'm here. Wow. Yep. It's not a bad thing.

1:07:45 I'm here, is what the gentleman said. So it's not even about getting in. It's the, I mean, you got, and I don't want to be ages here, but you got guys 50 plus, you know, blue diamonds are flying everywhere, you know, and they're saying they're snagging the old chicks. I mean, it's an event. And if I was older, I mean, it gives you something to get out the house to. I mean, you're not going to clubs or bars anymore. It's like, where are you going? I'm going out to the Trump rally. You know, he's coming to town. Yeah. And that's why they want to stop it with the coronavirus. Oh, yes. That is. Damn it, Moe. Damn it. I'm glad it takes a younger man to teach me stuff about Trump.

1:08:28 Thank you. All right. So now we can go back to what they alluded to before about his comments to the black voter, but we have to look at it through the lens of the Hill and the wrestling narrative. No group in America has been more harmed by Hillary Clinton's policies than African Americans. No group. No group. If Hill. Hillary Clinton's goal was to inflict pain on the African American community, she could not have done a better job.

1:09:06 It's a disgrace. Tonight, I'm asking for the vote of every single African-American citizen in this country who wants to see a better future. Wow, he doesn't have to say what she did wrong. Doesn't even have to say. No, it's the chaos. It's just the chaos that just say it. Oh, beautiful. And listen to the tone and listen to the crowd. They were getting worked up. You know, they're getting all lathered up. And the chance about to come. Yeah, yeah, African Americans. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever he said, and that goes back to the statement. I didn't clip it because I mean, everybody knows it by now.

1:09:51 We've heard it 500 times. So you heard this before the payoff question. Uh-huh. When you heard this, like up until this moment, this clip right here. What did you think? I'm like, he's actually saying that. No other politician has the balls to say that. That Hillary Clinton did worse for African Americans or just the fact that he's talking about it at all. We knew it, but it was kind of like a buddy-buddy. Republicans went really sad because they kind of voted for the crime bill too. I think this is one of the things where Trump was similar with Obama with the war in the Middle East.

1:10:34 He had no part of it, so he could be very critical. Okay, got it. Yeah, so he's getting the crowd all worked up. And then we go into the famous line that kind of brought this show together. Look how much African American communities have suffered under Democratic control. To those, I say the following: What do you have to lose by trying something new like Trump? You can improve Trump. It's tasty. Now with peanut butter.

1:11:25 I say it again. What do you have to lose? Look, what do you have to lose? You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose? And at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95% of the African American vote. I promise you. Over 94%. This is great. So what we need to do is make sure everyone knows he's a racist.

1:12:10 It's impossible. And here's the gaslighting from the narcissism. You know, you're not against 95% of the African 95% of the you're going to swing it from 85% one way, 80% one way to 95% the other way. But no, it's gaslighting. Here comes the narcissism again. It's fantastic. Yeah, 95%. Guaranteed. Try Trump now with fresh new smelling scent. And the third person, you got to love that. I mean, of him referring to himself as a third person by a single name. Try Trump. Seriously, it's like, you know, great product. Try Trump.

1:12:51 It's the brand. It's the brand that we were talking about. Try Trump. Being a winner. It's a winner. He should do that more often. Try Trump. That's a really strong statement. That is a good one. Yeah. So wrestling has not only had impact on Donald Trump, but other American originals. One being Mr. Mohammed Ali. He was not great a talker until he met Gorgeous George in Las Vegas. I saw a wrestler once named Gorgeous George, and the place was damn-packed with people. Cars was lined up for miles. They hated Gorgeous George. They won't even meet, but they paid $100 for ringside seat.

1:13:32 So Gorgeous George walked out with his pretty silver hair. And he was walking so proud. People, woo! He's like, you bum. Oh, he was hollering at the fans. Oh, I don't care nothing about you. And look, I can't lose. If I lose, I'll cut all my long locks in the rib. ring. Look at my beautiful blonde hair. If you mess up this, her, I'll kill him. I'll annihilate the bum. I can't lose. I'm the greatest. Well, I got this from Gorgeous George. I said, hmm, this is a good idea. Look, he's getting ripped. So I start talking. I am the greatest. I cannot be beat. I'm too pretty to be a fighter. What he's doing is he's taking the American culture, what's in the air at the time.

1:14:14 And he invents something called Cassius Clay, the greatest. Wow. With the hair, no less. With the hair. Gorgeous George, Ric Flair, Donald Trump, they all have this blonde hair. I don't know what it is about the blonde hair, but as you heard Ali say, and they and Ali took what he learned from Gorgeous George, and that's how you came up with Cassius Clay, the biggest, you know what I'm saying? One of the biggest junk talkers there is. But he was willing to play the heel. This heel phenomenon is so good. This is so spot on.

1:14:55 Absolutely. And then at a certain point, he just had everybody. And then he, and it was still the same. Muhammad Ali still had an arrogant thing about him, but everybody loved him. And he wasn't as loved now as he was. I mean, he wasn't as loved as he is now back then. Exactly. He's a very polarizing figure, one for his war views, but for other reasons as well. But let's wrap up with the Gorgeous George clip, and then we'll get into some of the other statements that Ali made. It's a self-creation. That's a very American thing. And Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali, to me is writ large, one of those self-invented American characters.

1:15:40 Cassius Clay understood that ultimately we're just hungry for copy. And so if you give us copy, as long as you give us copy, you can pull our strings and we have to write about you. And Cassius Clay was able to frame the story. The narrative was his. So the media knows just like it knew Ali. As long as he's giving us copy, long as he's giving us content, put him on, no matter what he's saying. He's doing poetry. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. He's great. Put him on TV. And so Trump, I'm sure he's aware of Ali because of his involvement in the boxing

1:16:27 and the wrestling. So he's aware of this creating the atmosphere of tension and driving that tension to meet your goal. But yeah. But Ali, just like Trump, if we want to use the cancel canon, would we cancel Ali for his racial integration standpoint? I know he. You see, now we're getting into now you're getting now you're getting into the meat and potatoes. Exactly. What exactly was his racial

1:17:13 statement? On integration, let's listen to. I got a clip. I understand. Yeah, I just do understand. I understand. I think it's sad that it ain't sad because I want my child to look like me. Every intelligent person wants his child to look like him. I'm sad because I want to blot out my race and lose my beautiful identity. Chinese love Chinese. They love the little slandered pretty brown-skinned babies. Pakistanis love their culture. Jewish people love their culture. A lot of Catholics don't want to marry them. Catholics. They want the religion to be stayed the same. Who wants to spot up yourself and kill your race? You a hater of your people if you don't want to stay who you are. You shame what God made you. God didn't make no mistake when He made us all like we were. I think that's a flustered despair. Despair. It ain't no despair. Number one, can't no woman.

1:17:58 Let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you: listen, no woman on this whole earth, not even a black woman in Muslim countries, can please me and cook for me and socialize and talk to me like my American black woman. Really? A white woman at last as a white woman. Can really identify with me and my feelings and the way I act and the way I talk. Yeah. Yeah. He, wow, he went really far in that. Yeah, he would definitely get the cancel canon if he was living in 2020. Oh, no. He would be like, here we go. He'd be like, hey, Cassius Clay, look over here. It'd be all over. It'd be all over. Wow. And he even alluded to the difference.

1:18:43 I'm just a small aside. He even alluded to the difference between the American black and blacks in other countries because he didn't make it a race thing. No. Because he was like, even a woman in an African country, she couldn't understand me. But I'm just saying, if we want to look at people through a certain lens, we might start having to get rid of a lot of American heroes and originals. This is why this is very dangerous. Or people get used to this and see it for what it really is and allow themselves to like it. Or we get another strong competitor on the stage. There's more people who can play this game. That's true. That's true.

1:19:29 But yeah, I just don't think Ali would that's that's that's a tough one because they I mean this goes this goes to back to my uh statement I repeat often the man versus the product the Ali product is so great now that he gets a pass on these statements and they kind of like gloss it over uh because they don't want to ruin uh how he was used later on his life by people with their own agendas so I mean that's what I said is just a slippery slope when we start talking about if you just play that clip I mean or not even if you just had the transcript of that and take his name

1:20:14 it would be completely unacceptable obviously completely unacceptable what he said so now we're being hypocrites yep this goes back to the thing again a hypocrite you know we're being hypocritical and we don't want to start looking ourselves in the mirror and say do we judge just one person this way and the other person the other way right but also so but also there's if trump is doing this a new heel can come in the game well i don't think you can have two heels well can you out heel a heel i mean because then it just possibly possibly

1:20:52 i i think the democrats tried that that's where you hear the biden i'll take him out behind the woodshed you know like that kind of thing yeah right right right and it just doesn't fall right because y'all been baby faces well for so long exactly that's the right you need a fresh guy to come in who can be the heel of all heels a new guy or gal or someone who would that be who would that be on the democratic side who who would you it doesn't have to be a democrat i mean maybe that would have to maybe kanye but i think kanye is

1:21:33 he's linked up with trump through the serpent energy which that's that's gonna right that's a whole nother show it is i'm just saying in the wolf king in the in the world in the world of wrestling you do get new winners that come in but i've never seen a heel upset or unseated by another heel it'll have to be they'll need another obama they'll need another baby face that you feel so sympathetic for that the heel taking on him will make you turn against the heel okay well anyway just reminiscing okay no we won't uh but since we're talking wrestling we have another uh component of pro wrestling and that's storytelling so what i really wanted to go over today is uh is quite honestly you know how to tell a story uh doing

1:22:27 something compelling because let's face it guys you know pro wrestling we're storytellers you know that's what we do and a lot of guys from my era know this better than anybody in the business but i think a lot of times the younger generation especially translated to the indie level guys have a real hard time so i always like to start from the finish you know what it what does the promoter want from the match you know so i'll get the finish i know hey you know i'm gonna tombstone you one two three that's the finish and then i personally and a lot of other guys do we like to go backwards you know and a lot of guys don't do this as well is the comeback of a match is the most important i mean just

1:23:07 picture like a rocky and apollo i know i'm dating myself believe me to uh you know 70s stuff but uh you know rocky balbo was getting a crap beat out of him you know if the whole the whole night the whole match and then finally against all odds you know the music starts playing he makes a comeback you know through everyone's surprise he's coming he's coming he fights to stay alive and that's what really you know pro wrestling is it's it's it's a story of survival it's it's a guy the underdog fighting from underneath and then you build and you build i mean a lot of guys have have a, you know, in a comeback, a heel should be right there for the babyface.

1:23:43 Bump, feed, bump, feed. Has to be there because believe me, in that split second, if a babyface does not have a heel popping up for him, if a heel's just lead-assing on the ground and not coming up, you know, the crowd dies. You lose him in a millisecond. Oh, my. Babyface Joe is just perfect, isn't he? Yeah, because they could really write the script for Joe. They can make him be whatever they need him to be. Whatever they want him to respond to, whatever they want him to say, they can make him do it all because that's the reactionary nature of old-fashioned politics. But in the last 20 seconds of that clip, the media has to keep Trump because they center because they're the show.

1:24:30 Trump is the show. As the guy said, you can lose the crowd in a millisecond. And if you lose the crowd, you lose your audience, you lose your ratings. That's it. And if you notice, I want to point this one thing out. If you notice, since Trump came along, we haven't had any international strongmen. No Osama. No. No Saddam Hussein. We took out the one terrorist guy. We took him out for the fourth time. Baghdaddy. Baghdaddy's dead again, ladies and gentlemen. But Trump used it. Trump used him.

1:25:14 I'm saying, but the media didn't use them. Trump used them. I'm saying the media, they're like, oh, we got our heel. I mean, because it's all you need to keep people engaged. The bad guy. Exactly. You don't need Kim Jong-un. You don't need anybody, really. And actually, they make Kim Jong-un the good guy. Yes, they did. In the smarter world. This has been a great education on professional wrestling. In fact, this could be a college course. Professional wrestling, applied politics, and professional wrestling. There's a whole college course just doing this.

1:30:02 But it goes to show that you're doing the work and you could put it in your social media profiles and push back against people saying, hey, I'm going to go to the next stage. I'm going to tell you what I'm doing to the work. Right. Yeah. It's actually more honest than the NBA players who have ally on their shirt. I saw the game. Was it the Utah Jazz against who does the Jazz play? Mo. You know what? I haven't even watched the NBA since I had to watch because I wanted to see what they did with the crowds. And it was really weird. They had screens all around the side of the court. So in the front, you'd have coaches and socially distanced people.

1:30:46 Then on either side, you'd have cheerleaders sitting there kind of socially distanced. And then you'd have these screens behind them, big screens. And it was like the screens were a virtual set, and people were using their webcam to project their image into their spot in the stands, which was going about this all wrong. Really weird. And then, you know, the players had Black Lives Matter, say your name. The one white guy on the floor is said ally. You're more ally when you support this show. That to me was hilarious. Anyway, I digress. Interesting, I've seen more NBA this season than you have.

1:31:30 The world has gone crazy, I tell you. We dropped down the $200 from Hunter Jennings, who will be our second executive producer for episode 45 and a first-time MoFax donor. I had to after episode 43 and 44, says Hunter. They were super hot fire. Seriously, though, amazing work. I'm sharing far and wide, which means you're making people aware by doing the work. Just made my first donation to No Agenda as well, and couldn't leave out this gem of a podcast as well. Keep doing the work, and I will do the same. Dealer's choice on jingles. Why don't we just hand out a Mo Karma? I think that's well deserved. You've got Mo Karma.

1:32:15 Let's see. We have our next executive producer is Santiago Munoz with another sack of sticks, 111.11. All five ones in a row. This donation is an appreciation of the education you guys have provided me. I'm a Ronamo convert. That's catching on, which means someone went from Rogan to No Agenda to MoFax and supports all three in the process. I've learned more about race in this country from the podcast than I have in the past 20 years of living in Baltimore. I love how you guys are bringing to light that the establishment is using race to mask the class oppression going on right now.

1:32:57 Oppression truly is colorblind. There's something I perceive while growing up in Medillen, Colombia, where classism is very evident. Yeah. Okay. This is boots on the ground. Which leads me to the following Rona update from down south. I'm getting married in October and would like for some of my family members to attend. After talking to my godmother, she informed me that Colombia is not allowing any domestic or international flights. Even all the bus terminals are shut down. The economy is in shambles, and they inform me they've never seen this level of violence. violence before, which is saying a lot for people who survived the violence of the 80s and the 90s.

1:33:34 Hunger looting is rampant at the moment. I believe this might be one of the front lines for the proxy war against China, with the second most aid coming from the U.S. goes to Colombia just after Israel. Since a war between Colombia and Venezuela seems to be inevitable. Wow. Okay, that's something to pay attention to. Holy moly. Serious boots on the ground right now. Yeah, Santiago. Santiago, thank you so much. And keep us updated on the situation because that's one that is definitely not something you can find in the M5M. We need some more reporting. And thank you for supporting the show and for being an executive producer.

1:50:35 All right. So we let off. The last clip was the pro wrestling storytelling. Yep. And I think this is one of the greatest strengths that Donald Trump has is his storytelling ability. I have to admit, one of my guilty pleasures was in 2016, and I can't wait to say start up again, is to listen to Donald Trump's rallies. Whenever he has a rally, I will come in, put my headphones in, and listen to it from beginning to end and laugh. And just change. And laugh. Now, do you just listen? This will bring me such great joy. Do you listen to you? Is it just the audio or do you have to see the video as well?

1:51:16 I always like to see the video because the looks, right? I mean, it's like a full presentation. Yeah, but hearing him is enough, but seeing him is just hilarious. He's a slash stand-up comic slash wrestler slash, I mean, whatever you want to put there. And it's the perfect heel. And it was even more pleasurable when you everybody knows my disdain for Hillary Clinton and her policies. So even to hear that, it was like, well, you're not getting my vote, but I will. But I'd like your show. I like the show. Yeah, you get some tangibles. You know what I'm saying? We might can talk because you're on the right path with your

1:51:59 show. With your show. Exactly. You got my attention with your show. Precisely. And just to show how great of a storyteller is, it doesn't matter the subject. He can make dishwashers and appliances sound interesting. I brought back the old light bulb. Better light for much less money if you want it. Right? Right? Right? Somebody said, oh, sir, don't mention the light bulb. You know, it's hard to make an elegant speech. I'm saying I brought back the light bulb. So the new light bulb costs you five times as much, and it makes you look orange.

1:52:40 It's true. I was more interested in the orange than I was at the cost. But I'm also approving new dishwashers that give you more water so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times. Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Anybody have a new? new dishwasher? I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for that. It's worthless. We won't talk about toilets, but you know that's

1:53:21 10, 15. But we don't talk about that because I've said this three or four times. The only subject they ever talk about is toilets, so I don't mention toilets. But how about the shower? You go into a shower, and I have this beautiful head of hair. I need a lot of water. It is a show. Light bulbs, dishwashers, showers. Showers. Orange hair, beautiful hair. Orange lighting. Or the light bulbs make you look orange. If that's not gaslighting, I don't know what is. It's fantastic. I hadn't heard that one. That's really good.

1:54:04 So, going back to the narcissism conversation we were having, we pointed out, depends on who he's talking to, if he displays those traits of narcissism or not. And I think Dick Gregory has an explanation why that may be the case. A few weeks ago. There's two Trumps. Okay. The one in the red tie is the real one. The one in the blue tie is not. The one you saw last night after the victory was the blue tie. Now, if you would punch up Dr. Carson, Ben Carson, when Trump called him a pedophile,

1:54:50 and the next day he joined Trump, and the guy asked him, see, every night and then you slip and say so. He said, Why'd you do that? He says, There's two Trumps. I was with the good one. You see it there? Just punch up. When somebody interviewed him, he said, There's two Donald Trumps. That's easy to pull up. Okay. I was Googling Ben Carson pedophile. I was Googling the wrong one. So he called him that the day before. So you know he got something on him. If he's going to make him the next day, he says, I join you. Dr. Ben Carson, there are two Donald Trumps. There it is.

1:55:37 So I had to go back and pull the clip of Trump calling or comparing Ben Carson to a pedophile. Yes, thank you. Carson's an enigma. He wrote a book, and he's doing great in Iowa. He's seconded the pulse. With all these professional politicians, I'm first, Carson's second. And I don't understand it. I really don't understand it. Because he wrote a book, and in the book, he said terrible things about himself. He said that he's pathological and that he's got basically pathological disease. If you're pathological, there's no cure for that, folks.

1:56:21 Okay? There's no cure for that. And I did one of the shows today. And I don't want to say what I said, but I'll tell you anyway. I said that if you're a child molester, a sick puppy, you're a child molester, there's no cure for that. There's only one cure. We don't want to talk about that cure. That's the ultimate cure. No, there's two. There's death and the other thing. Then here's the beauty of all. He took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged. He lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends.

1:57:05 But lo and behold, it hit the belt. It hit the belt. And the knife broke. I had forgotten all about that story with the knife and the belt buckle. Holy crap. Yeah. We've been through so many times. And it wasn't 24 hours. Now I want to put Ben Carson on the hook, but he did. If somebody likens you to a pedophile, you can't do business with them. I mean, it's just got to be certain rules. But just to run down a couple of lists before we get into Ben Carson's reply, remember Carly Fiorino? Look at her face. It's like, look at. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Look at her face.

1:57:49 You had little Marco. You had Little Marco in the bubble, Bubble Boy, which he wasn't talking about like a bubble. He was talking about the bubbles at those Miami parties that he used to dance in. And then Ted Cruz. We all talk about Ted Cruz. Cruz saying his dad worked with Khali Harvey Oswald. Yes. And all of them came back no sooner than like a week and no longer than a week and kissed the ring. Because they want to be, they want, it's better to be in the show than not at all. Yes. It could be that or it could be something else. But let's listen to Carson Kiss the Ring.

1:58:29 I think the Republican Party particularly would be very wise not to adopt, let's stop this guy and let's promote this guy policy, but rather start thinking about what are the things that are going to be helpful for America. There are two different Donald Trumps. There's the one you see on the stage, and there's the one who's very cerebral, sits there and considers things very carefully. You can have a very good conversation with him. And that's the Donald Trump that you're going to start seeing more and more of right now.

1:59:06 I think there are two Donald Trumps. There's the public version, and people see that. And I don't know what they see exactly, but it seems to have worked over my lifetime. But it's probably different, I think, than the personal Donald Trump. I think Ben would say that. Ben said it very well today. So perhaps there are two Donald Trumps. But, well, I'm somebody that is a thinker. I'm a big thinker. Why are there two Donald Trumps? Did you at some point make a conscious decision to behave differently in public? I don't think there are two Donald Trumps. I think there's one Donald Trump, but certainly you have, you know, look, all of this is somebody else that just reads and thinks. And I'm a thinker, and I have been a thinker.

1:59:49 Big brain. And perhaps people don't think of me that way because you don't see me in that forum, but I am a thinker. I thought it was very nice what Ben said, actually, because it is another side of me. I'm a very deep thinker. Unbelievable. 24 hours later. Unbelievable. That is so cool. And that goes to show you about why when we were taking the narcissism test, we had such varied answers because it's like, which Trump are you talking about? Are we talking about red Trump? Red Tot Trump or Blue Tot Trump? Private Trump or public Trump? Because I think privately, he's very loyal. But publicly, he puts off an air like, you cross me, it's the worst thing you could ever do.

2:00:33 And even Amarosa alluded to that in her clip about becoming the most powerful man, I think, in the universe is what she said. Wow. This explains a lot of things, but I'm just trying to figure out what does he say to these people to make them bin so easy. So we say there's two Trumps, right? And I don't know if you know this or not, but Trump signed as a Gemini. Yes, which means he's two-faced. He's two-faced. What are those two faces? The laugh now, cry later. Yep. Those are the symbols of the jester.

2:01:11 Mo, you got to stop this now. What you have done right here, I'm just going to say, I'm just going to take a break, everybody. Slow down. What Mo is doing is empowering every single one of us. And I'm thankful personally because I'm tired. You know, I've since 2015, I've followed him. I've analyzed him. The Rona lockdown period became very tough, especially when he was doing a news conference every day. Tina the Keeper, she OD'd. She's like, I can't handle anymore.

2:01:53 The narcissism. Once you see it in the context of the red tie, blue tie in the context of the show, I think it's much healthier for every individual. I understand to be once you understand. Yeah, then you can be at ease and maybe even look ahead one step and understand what's going on. This is great. Okay, so I'm sorry. I just wanted to interrupt you there. So now we're back to the jesters. 38. So this is really built, this story is built around a jester.

2:02:32 Tell us why. What is the, for those who don't really know, what is the role of the jester in literature, in society, throughout sort of, you know, history? Well, the jester is a strange character that shows up in early modernity literature of 16th, 17th century, the jester or the trickster. And he's a master of escape, and he's usually. usually a strange, half funny and half dark, mean figure who plays pranks, but then is also great at escaping.

2:03:10 And who is also very good at, well, things like conjuring or dancing, or in the case of my jester, Till Unspiegel dancing on a tightrope. So he's a lot about escaping and surviving in very dark times. And he's someone, I think that might be the most important thing. You never know what he's going to do. He's kind of, there's always some aura of unpredictability around him. And anything is possible where the jester is. Nails it again. And when he talks about dance, he talks about dancing on that tightrope.

2:03:50 Trump lives day to day. It's a 24-hour cycle, right? He wakes up in the morning. And I noticed this. This is why I really noticed like he's in control of this whole thing because he would wake up. This is during election time. I mean, Election Trump is a little bit different from governing Trump. So we're mostly talking about, because we're about to get back into Election Trump again here. As soon as things kind of open up. But what he did is he would wake up 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, supposedly, or have somebody send it out or say schedule tweet. And he will say some of the most inflammatory statements. And by 6 o'clock news, he had walked it back to something reasonable. So here's

2:04:35 I was going to say, here's a recent example. Shall I move the election date? Which was completely intended to get the conversation about mail-in voting started again. Yes. And he totally manipulated that, and everybody took the bait. He's crazy. He's going to push it back. And then he, through Kaylee McAnani, his spokeshole, says, and by the way, very irresponsible that, what is it, Iran or some other country, that they're talking about delaying their election. Very irresponsible that country is doing that. You could see the brain freeze happening.

2:05:14 Like, what? What? What? And he always walks you into that trap. It's of he has the answer or the rebuttal lined up. Yeah. It's just, and what, and what did the guy say for the wrestling? He said, when you have a story, you start at the end. Right. So he knows how it's going to end. And he works the story up to the beginning. So he's like with the birther. He's like, I know how it's going to end. I can blame Hillary Clinton for putting this thing together. I'll kick it out there and I'll know how it ends. And he works it back to the beginning. It's a beautiful formula that he uses. I hope people appreciate what they're witnessing. Yes, yes.

2:05:58 And it's a formula that gesture is another word for Joker as well. I didn't want that to be missed on people. And Joker, Batman, Dark Knight. I mean, we have all these other comparisons. That's when you saw the movie Joker come out. People were thinking that was going to be an ode to Trump. So there's something going on there with Trump and the gestures and the Joker analogy and the trickster. So it might sound a little bit like cognitive dissonance then because you talk about, you know, the conjuring, the magic, the jest, the jokes, etc. And yet you said this historical novel in one of the darkest periods in European history, the 30-year war in the 1600s.

2:06:39 What brought you to put Till, this jester, at the heart of this novel? I really wanted to write about this time, this time of darkness and chaos and in a moment in European history when there was a complete meltdown of all political structure, of order, of civilization. And I wanted some kind of guiding character who could lead the reader through this chaos that Europe was at this moment. And society was very rigid. People didn't really move. People didn't travel. People also didn't move up or down socially. So people from different social classes didn't meet.

2:07:20 But a jester can, of course, go anywhere and also would meet all kinds of people. He would also meet kings or peasants or anyone in between because he would perform in front of them. Oh, man. This is great. Well done, sir. Very well done. Well played. Can I ask you a question, Adam? Yeah, sure. What's the highest card in a deck of cards? The ace? The Joker. I thought it was the old maid, honestly, but okay, I'll tell you. No,

2:08:00 it's the joker. It's the big joker, the little joker. And then we have the aces and the kings. Oh, you're right. And the reason why the joker is the most powerful, because the king can tell him the narrative and he'll go educate the commoners. Wow. So it's interesting when the king is the joker. Yeah. Exactly. And he said one more thing I want to point out. Now, on a previous show, I think on Nocebo, he talked about the media working spells, conjuring spells. What did he say about the gesture? He's very good at conjuring. Conjuring.

2:08:41 He understands the media like the back of his hand. That's his real brilliance. He understands the media cycle. He understands how people receive the media and that he conjures his spells. Fantastic. You're so right. You're so right, man. That's great. And the biggest joker of them all is Loki from the Norse mythology. In the story, The Master Builder, Odin, the most powerful Norse god, proposes a wall to keep out the giants and the trolls. I suppose it made me laugh with the sort of contemporary political reference to Donald Trump's wall.

2:09:18 But also, is it a reminder that mankind has been building walls and trying to keep the enemy out for centuries in myth as well as in reality? I mean, how do you think history and mythology helps us make sense of the great ruptions going on in Western politics at the moment? Well, I mean, it is absolutely fascinating that the way you have this story in which Odin goes, we need a giant wall around Asgard to keep all the giants out. And actually, he winds up getting a giant to build the wall and is determined to make the giants pay for it. So, which may well be where Donald Trump got the idea. Holy crap. Are you kidding me now? Are you kidding me now? It's true.

2:10:00 Hold on. It's true. Hold on, Adam. No. Now, let's go back to the very beginning. We talked about Berther, Obama, Trump. So if Trump is Loki, then Obama has to be Thor. What was Loki always saying? Thor got all the praise. And that's what made Loki bitter. What do we say about Trump and his relationship with his father? He always was seeking the praise of his father. Yeah, always looking for the praise. So did we see something bigger play out here in this whole?

2:10:40 I mean, because these people on this level, when we get on that level, all the world is a stage. Also, Obama's dreams from my father. There's so many different things, and there's so many things in this is wrapped up. It's just the same old darn stories told over again. This is great. Over and over and over again. When will we ever learn, Mo? Oh, wait. We learned on episode 45 of Mofax with Adam Curry. So what we have to look into is more deeper into who Loki was, and let's look into the myth of Loki. Oskalta, a realm of wonders, was where the Norse gods made their home.

2:11:21 There, Othan's great hall of Valhol towered above the mountains, and Bifrost, the rainbow bridge, anchored itself. But though their domain was magnificent, it stood undefended from the giants and trolls of Jotunheimer, who despised the gods and sought to destroy them. One day, when Thor, strongest of the gods, was off fighting these foes, a stranger appeared, riding a powerful gray horse. The visitor made the gods an astonishing offer. He would build them the greatest wall they'd ever seen, higher than any giant could climb, and stronger than any troll could break.

2:12:00 All he asked in return was the beautiful goddess Freya's hand in marriage, along with the sun and moon from the sky. The gods balked at this request and were ready to send him away. But the trickster Loki concocted a devious plan. He told the gods they should accept the stranger's offer, but set such strict conditions that he would fail to complete the wall in time. That way, they would lose nothing while getting most of the wall built for free. We'll have 400 miles done. We got to keep it going.

2:12:40 Crap. And he said that he'll make them figure out how to pay it. And that's what he's going to pay for it. Yes, of course. But it'll be a lot of fun. And that's how he began his election. And that's how he built. began his election. Remember, coming out saying about Mexico, and all right, so people there. So, when does the snake story fit into all this? You know, his story. Oh, yeah, the woman, yes, with the snake, that's got to be another part of this. Uh, this whole dynamic does, and that's like I said, that's another story for another day because that goes to talk about what him and Kaye was talking about. The serpent energy, like I said, these people communicate on a certain level

2:13:24 that they understand each other. Because, just in my viewpoint, and this is just my viewpoint, and it may be Theraman Ready, but I think the fact that I think they all are high-level witches and warlocks, and they understand the craft. You had me in witches and warlocks of manipulation. Well, not only that, but you know, they're really they really understand how to work this. It's kind of like it's another version of the Illuminati symbolism, only it's much simpler.

2:14:10 It's just a different flavor, all the gods are the same, stacked up on top of each other. It's just the same story repeated over and over and over and over again. I'm enjoying it this time around. I can't wait until someone tells me the story next time. I really enjoy it. So, before we hear this last clip, which is the last clip, now let's keep in mind with what they said about the storytelling. Yep. They said the heel knows in his storytelling the end first, and then they build the story up to meet the ending. Right, listen how Loki handles the problem with the wall with only three days left until summer.

2:14:51 The wall stood high and impenetrable, with only the gate left to be built. Horrified, the gods realized that not only would they lose their fertility goddess forever, but without the sun and moon, the world would be plunged into eternal darkness. They wondered why they'd made such a foolish wager, and then remembered Loki and his terrible advice. Suddenly, Loki didn't feel so clever. All of his fellow gods threatened him with an unimaginably painful death if he didn't find some way to prevent the builder from getting his payment. So, Loki promised to take care of the situation and dashed away. Outside, night had fallen, and the builder prepared to set off to retrieve the final load of stones.

2:15:37 But just as he called Svadelfadi to him, a mare appeared in the field. She was so beautiful that Svadelfadi ignored his master and broke free of his reins. The Mason tried to catch him, but the mare ran deep into the woods, and Svadelfadi followed. The stranger was furious. He knew that the gods were behind this and confronted them. No longer as a mild-mannered mason, but in his true form, as a terrifying mountain giant. This was a big mistake. Thor had just returned to Oskalte, and now that the gods knew a giant was in their midst, they disregarded their oaths. The only payment the builder would receive, and the last thing he would ever see was the swing of Thor's mighty hammer, Mjolnir.

2:16:24 All right, break it down for everybody. So he knew from the very beginning how to expose this stranger that came and agreed to build the wall. Right now, I'm not saying wall literally in Trump's case, but he's been doing all his deals with China. And he knew the lynchpinned pool to fully expose them. So, I mean, it seems like, oh, it's chaotic. You know, the world's coming to an end, but he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Watch this. Hold my beer. Right. I know how this is going to end before it even gets started. And it's going to end up being the Chinese flu that came from a Chinese lab that was lab created.

2:17:09 And he allowed it to happen. Yeah. This, like I said, when they say 40 chests, people like to throw that word around. And this dude knows exactly what's going on and nothing by accident. All you have to say is Loki and the Master Builder. That's it. That's all you got to say. And then you got to say, if you don't understand how Trump relates to Loki and the Master Builder, you need to be doing the work, my friend. I'm surprised you have not used your privilege to do the work properly and become aware by going to mofax.com. I'm shocked. shocked by your unawareness. It's quite disgusting.

2:17:50 Mo, very enjoyable episode. This will help a lot of people with their mental state when they just can't stand it anymore. They'll think back to this episode, maybe even listen to it again for a refresher. And it's almost like the Disneyland when you're on the ride and it starts to spin in the tunnel and you're like, oh, if and they always say, if it's spinning, if you don't feel good, just look at the ground and it all goes away. That's basically what this episode was. Just listen to this. All the spinning will stop. That's fan. I personally really appreciate this one. And looking at the growl here is, as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

2:18:36 Mofax.com. Go directly to our donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D M-E.C-O-M-Mo. Thank you so much. We will see you next week, my friend. All right. See you later, Adam. And we leave you with the one and only chairman of the board. We will now do the national anthem, but you needn't rise. And now the end is near. And so I fake the final curtain. My friend, I'll make it clear.

2:19:18 I'll state my case of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full. Travel each and every highway. More, more than this. I did it my way. Regrets, I've had a few. But then again, too few to mention.

2:20:02 I did what I had to do. I saw it through without exemption. I planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway. And the more, much more than this, I did it my way. For what is a man? What has he got?

2:20:44 If not himself, then he has not to say the things he truly feels. And that the words of one who needs the record showed my way.