26: Butter Biscuits

00:13 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 18th, 2020. This is episode number 26. Uh-uh. Hey, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good. How are you? I am doing well, sir. It is. Oh, before I forget, my wife, Tina the Keeper, she said, oh, what are you guys doing today? Can you just ask one question for me? All right. She wants to know, with all the money he spent and all the media exposure, has Michael Bloomberg changed anywhere in the ADOS community's opinion? Only in the politician that can be bought.

00:57 So he's moved up, you mean, on that scale. He's moved up. That's the bump. He has a bump. He's got the bot bump. Yeah, exactly. Everything good, man? Everything good where you are? Man, everything is well. How about yourself, sir? Yeah, fantastic. And I am ready to, well, I already know that this is a special show. And I'll mention this part right up front. We run on the value for value model, which means you listen to the show we do. Did it give you or bring you any value? If it did, just turn that into a number and send that to us, mofacts.com or directly to the donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com.

01:38 And we've been doing this now. This is the 26th episode. And we looked at the PayPal and I think we have Cash App as well. We have the Cash App. Yeah, which apparently people like a lot. I had no idea how much people like the Cash App. And we were surprised. Like, there's a lot of people who've supported the show over the past six months. And so we want to start thanking those on a regular basis because as producers, you deserve the thanks for that. But also, a number of you deserve a special credit as a producer, or as we like to say, an executive producer or associate executive producer. And we'll explain all that later. But first, we have to spin the kip of topics here.

02:20 See what we're going to do. What will it be? Oh, I feel lucky tonight. And it is landing on... Pizza, Potluck. Potluck, Potluck. Potluck. Potluck. Potluck. Potluck. Should I know that song? Where'd that come from? I like it. It's the Potluck song. I don't know the Potluck song.

03:04 Steven Universe. Not familiar with the show, but I love the song, and it works for this show title. Excellent. Well, this is indeed the Potluck Show. So instead of one overarching theme, we're going to take you through, I think we have four different things to talk about today. Yes. So we're talking about four different topics today. The Potluck show is pretty much just to explain to the people is we're going to clean up small topics that happen over time that doesn't make a full show worth our material, but we want to talk about it. So we'll do these periodically. And so we can, you know, kick it around and see what we think about it. All right.

03:50 All right. Topic number one. I got sound effects for you. All right. So if for the hip-hop fans out there, you probably noticed that the song, intro song was Snoop Dogg Lay Low, and Snoop Dogg is actually laying low now. Yeah, after we talked about him, all of a sudden he was real quiet. I'm sure that we set him straight. Well, not too quiet because he had to come out and make an official public apology. 25 past the hour. Joining us now, the host of MSNBC's Politics Nation and president of the National Action Network, Reverend Al Sharpton.

04:31 Great to have you with us. Rapper Snoop Dogg is offering an apology to journalist Gail King following backlash over his comments appearing to, well, he did threaten the CBS this morning, Ankir, for asking questions about the late Kobe Bryant's 2003 rape case in an interview with WNBA star Lisa Leslie. So, with that being said, Gail King. I probably tore you down by coming at you in the derogatory nerve based off of emotions, me being angry at questions that you asked.

05:12 Overreacted. I should have handled it way different than that. I was raised way better than that. So, I would like to apologize to you probably for the language that I use and calling you out of your name and just being disrespectful. I didn't mean for it to be like that. I was just expressing myself to a friend that wasn't here to defend himself. A lot of people look up to me. They love me and they appreciate me, so I want to let them know that anytime you mess up, it's okay to fix it. It's okay to land up and say that you're wrong. I apologize. Hopefully, we can sit down and talk privately. Have a good day. All right. All right. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I didn't see any of this. So, just to review, and let's make sure I got it straight.

05:58 The issue that Snoop Dogg initially took with the Gail King interview was not, was yes, about the question she asked, how it was asked, how she kind of dismissed the answer, but more importantly, the overarching issue that Gail and Oprah have been known to go after black men and let white men slide on horrible guys like Charlie Rose, Weinstein, etc. Then he does, he does that kind of, he says, we know you were coming for you, whatever it is, but it was clearly about, hey, we know we figured out what you're doing, you and Oprah.

06:39 And then, and then Susan Rice jumped in, like, like there's a whole army, we can kill you, and then the apology came. Is that how I, is that the correct timeline? That's the correct timeline, but there are some segments missing out of the timeline. And that's what I'm saying. So, first, we're going to start off with the apology, analyze the apology, and then we're going to get into how the apology came about. Because when we left off last show, and I really wanted to leave this story at last show, but it got so just the representation of what happened and how he was made to brought to the carpet and made apologize, it was just too much to pass up because we're going to see some very interesting happenings going with this story.

07:32 And if I may make an observation about this apology, so they intercut his voicemail, I guess, that he left for Gail, intercut that with his original Instagram video? No, that was all Instagram, but I think he was holding his phone funny or something. I don't know why it was sounding like that, but it kept cutting in and out, cutting in and out. I don't know if that was strategic by him or if he was just nervous or what. Or high. He had a whole different tone. Yes, for sure. Now, that was a voicemail that he left for Gail King. No, that was actually on Instagram as well. No, it was pure on Instagram.

08:10 All this is going on on his Instagram channel. I got it. Okay. So no matter what, the true winner is Mark Zuckerberg, as long as we all understand that. Yes, that is correct. So where we're at now is he's made the apology, and now the Morning Joe crew, including Reverend Al Sharpton, is going to chime in. It's always a giveaway, isn't it? Yeah. It's going to chime in on how they received his apology. Yeah, well, listen, it was a pretty straightforward apology, a complete apology.

08:49 I thought it was a complete apology. I know you have a slightly different take on it, but you know, I think we all screw up. We all mess up. And when we do, we need to step forward and apologize. And the part of that apology, I mean, he said he overreacted. He apologized fully. He was being disrespectful. And he said he needed to, quote, man up and apologize. He did. And I thought the best part of it was when he said that they needed to get together and talk privately, which I'm sure at some point they will, though I'm sure this is still very, very raw for Gail.

09:33 She's been through hell over the past week. And I know she has to be disillusioned by people that she thought were friends who sat by and said absolutely nothing. I know she has to be disillusioned. I know she has to be disillusioned by newspapers like the New York Times and others who claim to be such champions of journalistic freedom. and protecting journalists? They talked about protecting journalists worldwide, but they don't even protect one down the street when her life is threatened. It's very strange, this conspiracy of silence to protect and defend a black female journalist.

10:12 Oh, yes. Woo! Conspiracy of silence. Good morning, Joe. But he's also, he's on a whole nother tangent. And I had another clip where they're just going off about, oh, this is violence against the against a journalist and a woman. Look down, Curry. Goggles, Curry. Goggles. All right, hold on a second. I'll put them on. Let me get them here. I'm going to pull them out of the box. They're on. Thank you, sir. So Joe is accepting of the apology. And, you know, Snoop had to man up.

10:54 Yeah, what's that all about? Words matter. Yeah. Words always matter. So that was, that didn't sit with me well. It sounds like something that someone told him to say. I would agree. And it seems like, oh, you kowtowing to Gail is manning up. And what I find interesting is this. We're not talking about what originally this whole story is about. Now they've pivoted from that to Snoop threatening Gail and Oprah. Yes. And that's exactly what we covered in the last show because the guy that was speaking to

11:39 her name when one of the clips, the guy was saying, yeah, they need to get out in front of this story and make themselves the victim. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Karen Hunter, Karen on the Karen Hunter show clip. The gentleman that was with her, he laid this out exactly how they played it out. They made themselves the victim. And now Snoop is on the defense and he's running scared. Clearly. Let's see how Mika accepts his apology. Well, I don't think those folks are off the hook just because Snoop delivered this

12:19 so-called apology. I think it was an apology in some ways, but it wasn't in others. And here's why. First of all, it's quite a turnaround, okay, from what he put out there. And it took a week, which is problematic. When you've done something wrong, you know it right away and you get right out there and you do not give any excuses for it. And his first line gave an excuse. Two wrongs don't make a right. Let me explain why that's problematic. He left Gail hanging in an area that's quite important to all of this, which I'll let the rev talk about. Two wrongs don't make a right. No, that's not okay. And that kind of undermines the entire apology. The other thing is, you know, you have to wonder why it took a week.

13:04 What is it that made him think for a week about this before coming out with this? And what he did when he tore Gail down and threatened her with a profanity-laced is he divided people. And he knew he was doing that. He knew he was ginning up division. It's not a good, not a good look at all. So I think he's going to need to do more. I think it's a good start, but a lot needs to happen before this really is, quite frankly, in a place of peace. What exactly, which people was he dividing, according to Mika?

13:45 Black men from black women. Do you think that's what? I mean, I know that's what's going on, but do you think that that's what she meant? This is brilliant, actually. So we want to divide black men from black women. So let's blame it on Snoop for doing it. Is that the idea? And you see the group divided. We got to make sure the ones we have on our side stay on our side. So we make Gail the victim. Misogynist Snoop is on this side. And anybody that agrees with Snoop is misogynist. Yeah.

14:26 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and that's the way it works. Now, I will say this. I have no problem with Snoop apologizing for the words that he used, but my apology would have went more like, yeah, Gail, I'm sorry for calling you a dog-headed beef. Mo, can I just to give you some advice? If you're ever in the position to apologize to a woman, don't repeat what the infraction was in your apology. And this, doing this for a purpose, approaches. I'm doing this for a purpose. Just in this situation,

15:07 I'm sorry for calling you that term. And I would say the term, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that you ignored Harvey Weinstein. And I would have listed every name. This is if Snoop is about standing on his cause, and this is not pocketbook related. Now, but let me interject. Well, we all know where it's really leading, but let me interject. He was kind of chicken shit not to do that to start with. He was talking in code. In fact, it was code that I didn't understand. He was talking in code. And instead, he could have said, hey, Gail, why are you doing that to another black man?

15:52 And you let these white guys off the hook so easy. That would have made it a different conversation. And actually, it would have skipped two weeks of incredible bullcrap in my life. But this bull crap is good bull crap. No, it's great for the show. I mean, no, it's the highest quality bullcrap. I'm not arguing with the entertainment value. I'm very happy. Entertainment value. Yes. But even bigger than the entertainment value, a lot of things are being exposed. We're starting to see who's really pulling the chains here. And to figure that out, let's get into the last apology clip and then we'll get there.

16:33 It was important because it sets a cultural tone that you do not have to be engaged in threats and misogyny. I think beyond Gail and Snoop, what concerned me was the message it was sending to a lot of people that listen to Snoop and that are impacted by it. And I think that they got a real education. And I hope this is a teaching moment that Snoop will use to say to them, it is not the manly thing to do to call women out their name and to threaten women and journalists for what they say. If he had said he felt it was inappropriate or harmful to him, the way she conducted the interview, whether you or I agree with that or not, he had the right to say that.

17:17 But to dehumanize her and to use misogynist terms and to threaten her was my concern. And, you know, someone stopped me in the street just yesterday when I got off this show and said, I'm glad you stood up for Gail. I said, I didn't stand up for Gail. I stood up for my daughters. I stood up for people everywhere. Gail doesn't need me to stand up for her. But there are young people all over this country and older people as well that I've marched for that should not be called out their name. And we act like that's all right. And I'm so happy that it was validated and supported by Snoop. And just like we took Snoop on, we ought to give us him his props and praise him for standing up and hopefully use this as a teaching moment to many of his fans that to man up means to really be a man and to be a man is to not disrespect women.

18:09 Bro. How many times did Matthew? God, I'm sorry. Yes. How many times did manhood, being a man? Man up. Yeah. Yeah. You see what we're doing here. And I want to point out something about Mika. Did you hear Mika's tone? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Her tone was very chastising, like a mother, like, you know, better than that. And I think Reverend Al picked up on that because he was like, well, we have to, you know, forgive Snoop. He has to walk that back because the way it looked to me is like, wow, they got you up here so they can say whatever they want to about Snoop.

18:53 And we're doing it in the presence of Reverend Al so it can't be taken a certain way. If you catch when I catch my dream, of course, of course. So, so he's more of a prop than his input. And the difference with every other time we see Reverend Al being a prop is what? He is a prop. He's a great prop. Just the subject matter. Just the subject matter. That's the only thing. Gotcha. So we want to ask, how did we get here? We left off last Tuesday, Wednesday. Snoop had made us semi-apology, kind of walking back what he said, but that wasn't good enough. MSNBC did an all-out,

19:39 all-encompassing attack on Snoop Dogg. Oh, I don't know. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. How did I miss this? this? I watch MSNBC. How did I miss it? Seriously, I'm okay. I don't know what their purpose was. I'm still trying to figure it out now. I don't know if it was a distraction because of all the messes going on in the Democratic primary. That this is a great question. Hello. Yes. No, not just a segment, Philo. This is perfect. Right now, it's about the ADOS vote. We're in South Carolina. We're going to Nevada. You know, we have Biden saying he's got the Obama fans.

20:21 We've got Buddha Judge, everyone talking, Michael Bloomberg. Yeah, they're going to go to Bloomberg, which is a big joke. So it's completely in play. So this would be the moment to split them. I still have the goggles on, but is this the moment to split the ADOS men from the women? This is the perfect moment. And one thing I want to point out is the Democratic Party had no problem with Snoop Dogg and his vile language towards women. If you want to look at it that way, when they invited him to perform at the DNC in 2016, they had no problem with that. No, it was funny. He was actually like an unofficial

21:06 surrogate for the Democratic Party. They had no problem with this. But now it's like, oh, he's bringing up valid points that can ruin a bunch of our boolean butt kissers. And so he can't touch Oprah. Gail, okay. You know, it's like, but you're getting close to Oprah now with what you're with the code that he's talking. She's the biggest Boule butt kisser. There you go. So we're going to get that. Now here we are. So the attack first started on Jord Reed's Joy Reed show.

21:47 The non-DOS. Yes, the non-A-Doss Joy Reed, who had Miss Tiffany Cross on her show. Who won the week, Tiffany? Okay, well, mine is a little more complex. Okay. It does need to be said. I think who won the week are all the people who responded thoughtfully about the Gail King interview with Lisa Leslie. I was so disappointed in some of the backlash that Gail King got. Listen, you know, as women in media, we can be on the receiving end of these very extreme comments. And so I will table the fact that was it appropriate for Gail King to pose the question about the Kobe assault to Lisa Leslie?

22:30 Look, however you feel about that, that's a separate debate. What came after that? This misogynoir and all these horrible comments from very prominent men, including, you know, Snoop Dogg, who did his non-apology apology this morning. But he called Gail King out of her name, talked about her physical appearance, her hair. And I was just so disappointed because people like Reggie Bush and LeBron James liked it and 50 Cent weighed in on all these ugly things days after the hashtag girl dad was trendy. Right, right. Oh, oh man, there's a lot there. Did you catch what I want to fall back? What did you take away from that clip?

23:17 I heard you say something. Well, honestly, I got kind of confused at the end when she took it to the girl's dad, and then I kind of forgot all the other stuff I was pissed off about. Okay. She said the Kobe assault. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That's what I heard. The Kobe assault. Yes. Holy crap. I thought he was acquitted. Well, the case was dropped. There's no. I mean, well, dropped, excuse me. Yeah, excuse me, dropped. But I mean, he's not guilty of anything, so he can't be assaulted. No, but that's not how the media works. And they're doing exactly what, exactly what Gail King got cussed out for.

23:56 Yeah, they're doing. Exactly. They're doing it. Yeah. Yeah, of course. And the hashtag cropped up, We Stand With Gail. So this is what she's thanking people for. For the hashtag? Snoop Doggs. Yes. So Snoop Dogg Instagram post was liked by LeBron James, Reggie Bush, 50 Cents, and a host of other black men. And I'm surprised they let I'm trying. I want to see how this plays out in the end because their name's on a list somewhere.

24:38 Okay, you really want to. show your true colors. Well, hold on a second. Let's talk about this infiltrator on the non-DOS show, this Tiffany Cross. Who is she? She's clearly some political animal. Where's she coming from? Yeah, she's a political pundit. She has a website that she writes, writes about political and pop culture issues. I mean, she's somebody MSNBC brings on that they could roll out to be the black voice. And then in this role, she was rolled out as the black woman voice.

25:19 And I think she said a lot of things that Joy Reed probably felt that she wanted to say, but she wanted to, you know, use this person for cover. That's how I took it. That's how I took it. But the Kobe assault, that really, I was like, wow, y'all are really doubling down. And then she throws those names out there. Yeah. Interesting. Well, let's let Tiffany continue. And it was heartbreaking to see. And it's just a reminder to people that, look, these are real people in front of the camera with real feelings. Gail King is now walking around with security. And I was just appreciative of the people who came out and said, whoa, time out.

26:01 You guys are, that does not honor Kobe Bryant's legacy. This was a father of four daughters. Snoop Dogg is raising a daughter. LeBron is raising a daughter. All these other people who championed this message of calling her out of her name. So I just am appreciative to the people who came out. And not to mention that Oprah, because, you know, they impugned Oprah. Oprah has done a lot for the black community. So to say that these women don't do a lot, and just as black women, we ride so hard for black men. It was not fair. It wasn't under attack from our brethren. What did she say? Ride so what did she say? We ride so hard for black men. Let me just hear that again. Yeah, she said we ride so

26:44 we don't do a lot. And just as black women, we ride so hard for black men. What does that mean? We ride as black women, we ride so hard for black men. What does that mean? We take up for black men at all costs, which you're not kind of doing that by letting Gail King get away with disparaging Kobe's legacy. How can you ride so hard? My mind about exploded when I heard this. What are you talking about? And then she throws out the word brethren, you know, disappointed to hear this from our brethren. So I'm looking at Tiffany Cross's. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, which is she has a website. Yeah.

27:27 And so her bread and butter, I guess, is theBDC, thebeatdc.com. And their positioning statement on the website is the intersection of politics, policy, and people of color. Color people. I know, but it doesn't work if you do politics. You know, the alliteration is beautiful. But they're taking it. They're totally taking. Of course, it's not at all about what Snoop was mad about. So that's not just a pivot. We're full on into, oh, and these guys all have daughters. Are we back to Girl's Dad now? Is that the idea?

28:10 Yeah, they want to hijack and put Kobe inside that box of Girl Dad. Got it. And what Snoop did was kind of ruin it by coming with what he said. And on top of all of that, it's amazing that if you ride so hard for black men, why don't you say, well, since Snoop started the conversation, let's talk about Harvey Weinstein. Let's talk about these other people. But that lets you know who Trump's who. No unintended. Yeah. No, I hear you. Exactly. Yeah.

28:47 So this final little snippet from this overall clip just shows you how threatening Oprah is. First of all, I'm an old white guy and I know not to pick on Oprah. You gotta go there. All right, no, you don't. They will need dental records. They will need dental records. That's right. Depends. Only if you're an ugly old white guy who's a pervert, then you're good to go. Otherwise, yeah, you don't need dental records. Wow. Who was that? I have no clue. I just found that to be amazing that, oh, you and Joy reading the background.

29:27 She's like, right. That's worth Oprah. That's worth another play. First of all, I'm an old white guy and I know not to pick on Open. Oprah. Just don't go there. All right. No, you don't. No, they will need dental records. That's the little vasectomy guy, Chris Hayes. That's Chris Hayes. No, it's not Chris Hayes. No, it's not. Yeah, it's his older white guy with a beard and I don't know. With a beard and a hat. Well, yeah. Yeah, he was inconsequential to the story, but I was just, it was like at the end of the clip, and I was like, wow, he's really scared. Like, oh, yeah, you need dental records. You come from Oprah. Yeah. Oh, well.

30:07 So that wraps the Joy Reed show. And then the following episode of Morning Joe is where they really ratchet it up, starting with Reverend Al. Hard it is to become a Gail King, to fight gender bias and race bias and walk in studios that didn't invite you or an Oprah for that matter. It's hard to be a Snoop Dogg, to come out of the streets. All of us have a hard road to travel. And when we start shooting at each other, and when we start getting in the way of doing each other's jobs and threatening each other and acting like it's acceptable for us to be ugly because we may disagree on timing, that's when some of us must step up and say, hold it.

30:50 We need to stop this and stop it now. So you can call me soft or sell out, whatever you want to call me, but I'm going to stand up for Gail Kingler, Mr. She doesn't deserve that. You know, God bless you, Reverend Al, for defending a black female journalist who had her life threatened on Instagram. Oh my God, had my life threatened on Instagram by Snoop Dogg? And if something happened to me, we never would have known who done it because it happened on Instagram. This is crazy. And there was something I want to point out last show, which this recovering gave me a great opportunity.

31:33 So you remember the woman that used the Washington, worked at the Washington Post, and she posted the story about Kobe Bryant right after he died. Yes, of course. She received death threats. So you can't say Snoop Dogg saying what he said is the one-to-one correlation. But yeah, Mo, I'm sorry. And I don't know what clips you have, but I've only seen one Morning Joe clip of this. And my daughter even sent it to me. She said, oh my God, these people are freaking out. Not just a woman, but a black woman. So I think there's a difference. You can be a white female journalist with death threats.

32:13 Man. But if you're a black female journalist related to Oprah. Whoa. So there's a clear difference. It's not about being a journalist. It's about being, and not even about being a woman. And the point I'm trying to make is she would receive death threats regardless if Snoop Dogg said anything or not. Right. But they're trying to make Snoop Dogg the bad scapegoat. Yeah, of course. Yeah, for he's the reason why I'm getting death threat. She really got death threats, I believe. Not from Snoop. You can't say his. No. I took it as just what I took it as is that we're coming for you. We're going to come up for you on the internet, you know,

32:56 drag you, you know, that kind of thing. I didn't take it all. I'm going to be waiting in your bushes, Gail, you know, to make you pass. I don't think any, I don't think anyone took it that way. What does black Twitter say? Well, it's divided. You have the pro-feminist liberal. Those who've already bought into the program and those who haven't. That's got to be your dividing line right there. Those who have already been indoctrinated and those who have yet to be indoctrinated. And to further widen the gap, we have Joe's BS rant. Hey, welcome back. Good morning, Joe. I just want to follow up on this Gail King story really quick, Rev. You've been talking about it for the past several days.

33:38 We brought it up a couple days ago. I still got to say, again, let's put it in the starkest terms. A black woman who is a journalist has her life threatened from a guy who has 39 million people. The post is still up. The post is still up. She faces threats and abuse. Her children are now facing threats. 24-hour security. She now, Gail King, now has to have 24-hour security. And I'll be damned. Have I read the New York Times editorialize about it? No. What's on your bullshit about protecting journalists when you have a black woman whose life was threatened?

34:22 Nothing there. Wall Street Journal, nothing. Wait, what are you doing? What are you doing? Where's Viacom CBS? Has the USA didn't. Today done it? Where are you? A black female journalist's life has been threatened. She and her children fear for their lives. And you aren't writing about this? So is everything that you've said about Donald Trump threatening members of the press nonsense? Did you really not mean it? Did you really not mean it? You meant none of that about Donald Trump? Is that all politics?

35:07 Yes. Do you have the rest of this one? Do you have the rest of this? Oh, yeah, I got the whole affair. I got to tell you, my daughter sent me this. She sent me the clip. And she's 29 and she's having none of this, of course. And she says, look at this. Dad, you got to look at this. This is probably a clip for the show. And I'm going to try and do her voice. A black woman. A black woman. Hornhorn, horn, horn, emoji. Oh, I'm not even black, dad. And he had me clutching my pearls in my Sunday hat. A black woman.

35:50 I mean, this is insane. Why, though? I mean, why? And you hear Mika in the background. Yeah. Oh, totally. That's his employer. That's his employer. Yeah. Yeah. Viacom, Viacom. Go after that. Yeah. What you see here, that is just close your eyes and imagine it as Twitter. That is cancel culture on MSNBC. They were doing this to cancel Snoop. Yes. And this is a formal emasculation. No kidding.

36:30 Did you hear the apology? Snoop's balls are gone. And then you hear her. That's not even a real apology. I mean, for him to say that two wrongs don't make her right. Not good enough. Not good enough. No. But her in the back, I mean, they're like the morning time diamond in silk is like, yeah. Viacom. Yeah. That's right. Preach. She's in the background doing that. I'm like, what is going on here? Where did this come from, Joe? And another thing, Joe, if you're listening, because you might be listening, Joe, I want you to keep this same energy. Yes. Please. Keep the same angel when we start talking about stopping Frisk and all the things Bloomberg did.

37:13 You know, is the New York Times only writing about this? Because, you know, it's about Trump. You know, I want you to keep that same. Please. Yes. That same thing that you got going there, Joe. Hey, Mo. Don't hold your breath. I'm not, but we'll be here. Yeah, we will. We'll be here. So, rant two. Well, where's corporate America? Because there are. Where is corporate America? Where is Viacom? Partnerships. Let me say it again. A black female journalist fears for her life this morning. Her children are facing abuse and threats.

38:00 And the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Viacom, nobody is talking about this after preaching on a mountain for years about how dangerous it is when Donald Trump threatens members of the press. Well, guess what? I think it's dangerous when Donald Trump threatens members of the press. And I think it's dangerous when pop culture figures threaten members of the press, especially a black woman doing her job who is only doing her job.

38:40 You know what? We can have a debate whether the question should have been asked or not. We're so beyond that right now. We are so beyond that right now. What's the conspiracy of silence about, New York Times? Why aren't you writing about this? What about you, Washington Post? Wall Street Journal? Where are you? Viacom, where are you? A black woman has gone to bed, a journalist in fear of her life. I'm beside myself. You know,

39:21 it's almost, it's not understandable. exactly. I mean, I've seen them pissed off the two of them, but I've never seen it quite like this. For the life of me, I cannot figure out. I don't know if he got a grudge or if it's like we're going to make this a huge distraction or we're going to make an example out of Snoop that you won't step out of line on saying in 2020, or this is what you'll get, or a little bit of all three. But for him to go on that rant like that and call out all these different organizations and corporations and like Viacom, yeah, that's where he works. There's only one thing I can imagine.

40:08 Yeah, it's Oprah calling for Joe and Mika. I've got a little message for you. What else could it be? Maybe, but so that goes to show you that Oprah has no real power. Because this apology, she didn't get this apology when she went up there and gave her crocodile tears. And she's not doing so well right now. None of that. They had to go get their, and I'm going to say this: they had to go get their white gatekeepers. The power behind it, the power behind the puppets. This is what it looks like. She couldn't get Snoop canceled. No. So, you know, they had

40:53 to be. She can't. Oprah couldn't actually come out and cancel Snoop. That would not be accepted. But yes, you're right. Get the hit squad. Yeah, and she doesn't have the power to. Because her power, see, this is how we got to understand. The reason why I did this is we're really seeing the Boule and they really have no power. They carry water. That's what Boule means: advisors to the king. That's what they, that's all they do is they get their talking points. They run out here and they black explain it to black people. And then they run back to their hole again and they get more martial orders.

41:32 And they run out and they, and when you step out of line, they sent Oprah out for them, but Oprah's fake tears couldn't get Snoop canceled. So they said, okay, step aside, you little child, Oprah. Let me show you how it's done. Let me show you how the real lynch mob is done. And this is what this is. This is a lynching. And I know that's, you think I'm probably being like extreme here, but no. Well, I take it very seriously. We have to have him kneel. We have to have him kneel. That's the mindset behind this. You know what this really irritated me? No, Moe. You know, you're right, man. This was from high on order. This was

42:16 some kind of like a real note went out, feels like. A memo. A memo, yeah. No memo. I'm just trying, you know, because I'm always trying to look for the little connection. So Viacom, Mika's yelling about Viacom, Viacom, Viacom. New York Times. But there's also no real love between Viacom and Oprah. Okay, maybe that's it. It's part of it. It's part of it. It's part of it. It feels like. Tyler Perry was hired away from Oprah's network by Viacom. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. BET. Yeah, that makes sense.

42:58 So that could be something there. But, yeah, I mean, it's like you just, you don't, you don't do this to the queen or her lover. I mean, her friend. And the tone, the tone of these two, of Joe and Mika, is like, it's so berating. It sounds like their life depends on it almost. True. Or you got to earn your. I think a lot of 2020, a lot of people are going to have to earn their keep. A lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. I was going to say this went above and beyond the typical, I'm going to be loud and controversial to get attention for ratings.

43:42 This was something else. This was emotional. And I've watched lots of Morning Joe. Never seen this. And again, if my kid is sending this to me and she's saying this is something for the show, which I'm sure she doesn't listen to that often, then it hit the mark. Then the word is out. And he's throwing papers and he's just breathing fire. And we're not even done yet. Rant three. And there's a conspiracy of silence, Reverend. You're one of the few people that's been talking about this. What in the hell is going on?

44:24 The fact is, what you just expressed in very passionate terms is my concern. This is not about Snoop Dogg. I like Snoop Dogg. I defended him doing the gospel record. This is about a precedent of letting people infer threats and directly call women out loud. It wasn't unfair. It wasn't heard. It wasn't unfortunate. And the profanity that was used, let me just say. I've been saying for years. We cannot use the N-word, B-word, or H-word. For me to not have said something because of somebody that I know, I think is a height of hypocrisy. And I get all kinds of pushback. I've got clapback, but I must stand by the fact that women should not be called out of their name.

45:09 No matter what a circumstance is. I heard LeBron. Do I correctly? LeBron likes to post. Yes, and name one person on this set. Name one person in entertainment doing talk shows who would post something like this that wouldn't be fired in three seconds. And by the way, less than oh, this is interesting. So I'm hearing Al, he's getting pressure from the community. He's walking a razor blade. Oh, yeah. He's moonwalking on a razor blade because his real power comes from the people in the streets.

45:49 Yeah. And the people in the streets don't like it. They're not. Pro-Kobe, pro-Snoop Dogg. And I presume LeBron and all those guys who were liking the post are also saying, we know what's going on. Or not. LeBron is so calculated. Go back to the China show. He's so calculating, he said, oh, the people are going this way. So I'm going with the people. That's the calculation he made. But, LeBron, you just made your name on somebody's list. Be careful, brother. I'm just going to say that because for sure. This is how it happens.

46:30 I'm being honest with you. This is how it happens. You piss somebody off. It's like, okay, we'll let you know be great right now. But any chance we get, and it's the irony of this, this is exactly what, exactly what the problem was, exactly what Snoop Dogg was calling Gail out for. Yes. And now they just added more names to the list, LeBron. And you know what we need to do? We need to do the Mofax Celebrity Consulting Group so we can tell these people what to do and what not to do because they're really messing it up.

47:09 Well, this is twisted. Yeah, and I like it a lot. So let's close up with our rant four. They were filming yesterday with Martha Stewart. They were filming yesterday for VH1, the Martha and Snoop series potluck party challenge. It's supposed to be on the air tomorrow night. Viacom. Yesterday. That's Viacom. Yesterday they were filming. Martha Stewart was there. William Shatner was there. Tamar Braxner was there. Trey Songs was there. They were all there working with Snoop on set to film an edition of the show that will show

47:46 himself. They say he walked it back. He did an additional post, still leaving the threatening profanity-laced post up that millions of people can watch right now. He did an additional post sort of trying to make Gail look older, trying to do little dog whistles while sort of saying maybe we're not violent. It was not an apology. He did not pull it back. He actually made it worse. And he kept his post up. Yamish. Wow. No, it's a great observation. This was a total hit job, but it only makes it only deepens the conspiracy.

48:28 Why is it? Well, we kind of know why, but we understand why there's a division to be made between ADOS men and women. And this is mainly political and for power reasons. But why let all of the shitty white guys off the hook? Also, for power reasons? That's pretty disempowering in my mind. Well, as long as I can appear to have power. True. The bullet never wants to have power. That's the big misconception. It's like we're kept. We're well kept. We're pets. You know, we don't go out and earn for ourselves. We're given our daily bread.

49:12 Yeah. Some people will call it butter biscuits. biscuits. But and that's what they do. They go and they do. You see Rev Al. Rev Al is only there because MS NBC cuts his check. And he's between a rock and a hard place. And they were like, Al, we need you, Al. And he's on there. Man up, man up, Al. Yeah. And you see what happens. So this puts a nice little bow on the Snoop Dogg story, but I felt I had to bring it to closure because I thought it would end at the end of last show, but then this happened.

49:51 I was like, I knew he was going to have to apologize. And I thought how we ended last show would be the apology. But no. I have a feeling that this may continue, Moe. I'm not so sure this won't come back. This could continue. We got a new list. We got a fresh list. Let's just review the list. We got LeBron on the list. Who else is on the list? Who's new? 50 Cents. Shitty Sent. Who? Yep. Which Bush? Reggie Bush. He's a Reggie Bush. Thank you. Reggie. Yeah. Reggie Bush. He's not one of the one of George W. Bush's kids, Reggie Bush. He's the one with the Trump tape.

50:32 But yeah, it's not over for Snoop Dogg either. No way. He's going to have to be, he's going to have to be taught a lesson, and they're going to parade him out. I'm calling it now. Six, maybe six, five, six months from now. He's going to write a book, a co-author book, combating toxic misogyny. And he's going to go. No, no, no. Documentary, documentary. Yeah, yeah. That'd be better for you. That'll be better. And he's going to have to go on probably on Gail King and Gail King's show. Tug it out. I had to be taught. Yeah, I had to be taught how to be a real man. And that was by giving you my testicles. Here you go. No, they're already gone, man.

51:16 I heard him in that tape. They're gone. Yeah, that's what he gave them to her. But now he's going to have to go back, you know, and he's going to, well, I'm calling it. He's going to have to go back on a book tour because they did this with Kevin Hart. Remember, Kevin Hart apologized? Of course. And then they brought it back again months later. Yeah. He had to go apologize all over again. Well, no, he didn't. No, he didn't. He said, screw that. I mean, no, I think he. I'm appreciative of what Kevin Hart did. I already apologized. But he still had to explain himself, though. I mean, you apologized once, and it's like, well, I got to still keep explaining myself. Which is ultimately why he said I don't want to host. Yeah. So there we have it.

51:58 That's the Snoop Dogg story. And that's the end of the first segment. So I love new money. I like new money. I don't know if you do, but I hate old money that's wrinkled and dirty and got all the diseases on it. I like new money. And when I give things to people, I like to give stacks of money. It's fun. You ever had a stack of new money? Have you? You haven't? Have you? A little stack. Oh. And so I made the big stack of what was brand new. And I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me.

52:40 It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah. I like new money too. Oh, the most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as $100 bill. There's something about $100 bill that excites you. Who is this? This is Pastor Mike Murdock. He loves new money. I love your choice of intro to our first ever donations segment. That's fantastic, Mo. Yeah. Well, we don't have too many of those, but over the past six months, that is the Chris Hundies, over the past six months, as we've been asking for people to support the work that we do here.

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56:59 Oh, crap. 517.19. It's got to be. See, this is, he said I would know what it meant, and I feel stupid. It's a date, maybe? I'm thinking a date too. 517. Well, we're going to have to think about it. But thank you very much, James, for the podcast. Thank you, James. Thank you. And you are executive producer of Mofax with Adam Curry. Peter J. Boyle, $450 aggregate. And he has a note here. Keep up the great work of the podcast. Thank you. And thank you, Peter. Mark Jasper, $400. And Troy Dale Thomas comes in with $302 total over the past six months.

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59:07 All right, uh, so wait, I got to do my uh all right, next top. Wait, I don't like that one. How about this one? There you go, that's the one. Next topic in our potluck special. So, this next story really irked me. Uh, and we'll get into why, but another perspective on Dwayne Way's child being transgender. But anyway, moving on, another celebrity, the world is raving. I don't know if y'all heard about it, but it's being reported that the NBA star Dwayne Way's 12-year-old son is transitioning y'all from male to female. Not understanding that the 12-year-old boy whose name is Zion Edward now goes by the name of Zaya. Not everything, Dwayne spoke candidly in an interview with Ella the Generals, which, you know, we all love Ellen the General.

59:50 We're just going to air later today. They're saying in the interview, he discusses y'all being a father to Zaya, formerly known as Zion. They're saying NBA baller revealed to Ellen that he reached out to the cast of Pose to help address the situation. Hey, which show is this from? This is from the Ricky Smiley show. Uh, this is on radio, yes, okay. And I think it's uh, it's uh have a YouTube channel as well where they captured the in-studio. But yeah, this is from the Ricky Smiley show. Sounds kind of show busy, yeah. It is, it's it's uh one of those everybody, good morning.

1:00:32 Yeah, it's that kind of morning showing show. Gotcha, and he's the one. Remember, he's the one that replaced um Tom Joyner, Tom Joyner. Yeah, well, damn, I guess that's what you get for the money they actually paid for that gig. Yeah, no wonder Joanna. So, this story, this story really irks me, and not for the obvious reason because that's not what that's not why I'm covering this topic. The child to publicly document a child transitioning, I don't think that's a good look.

1:01:12 Now, wait a minute, me personally, because they're putting this out there publicly, you mean, or they're actually going to document every step of the way? I think that they're actually, he's 12, he's he's 12 years old, and I just don't think it's appropriate. That's something that you should not be on tabloid news for you understand what I'm saying. Well, she is a tabloid news. Well, let me let me say that now at 12 years old is, I think, a little young for any big life choices.

1:01:55 Um, but when someone makes this dramatic life change, part of the whole idea is that you and that the world knows it, understands it, and uh converts in their own process. Um, so it's hard to do that as a celebrity or a child of a celebrity without without it obviously. If you say, Okay, only friends and people at kids at school, you know, that's gonna get out. So, you can't really cover it up. So, uh, this would be something that might have to be I would do this and say, hey, we're really proud. Uh, here's what's happening, uh, and we'd like you to respect our privacy and really not going to talk about it anymore.

1:02:38 That that would be the way to do it. I don't think that's how it went down with Dwayne Wade. That's my point. Yeah, gotcha. Hollywood is full of kids that's transitioning. We see stars and we see the kids and we see we kind of like put two and two together, but they don't talk about it publicly. It's like that Chad Bono, you know, that was like, okay. And there was still a lot of noise around it, but it was just like, okay, just shut up. We're not going to talk about it. And then it just kind of became accepted. But that happened later in life, I think, for Chad, not at 12. Right. And the other problem is that, well, let's just listen to Dwayne Wayne talk to Ellen about his

1:03:19 supporting his child. Thanks for being here. That was a clip from the ESPN documentary. And first of all, I just, I think it's what every, you know, every parent should be is what you're being right now, which is unconditionally loving your child and supporting your child and whoever they are. I mean, that's there are so many parents that are just, oh, you're not going the way I imagined or wanted you to be and freak out. And you're so loving and supportive of Zaya and what a special child she is. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you so much for that. First of all, me and my wife, my wife, Gabrielle.

1:04:00 Union, we are proud. When I say proud, we are proud parents of a child in the LGBTQ community. And we're proud allies as well. And we take our roles and our responsibility as parents very seriously. What did you ring your bell for there? His wife, which is not the mother's child. Oh, oh, I didn't know. The conversation. Oh, this is a twist I was unaware of. Yeah. The conversation is that she's kind of steering the child.

1:04:39 As you know, if you notice in the news, she's suing Simon Cowell for smoking and she had the big dust up with Terry Cruz. And she's always saying things that keep her name in the news more than for her acting and her own celebrity. Right. So it's a lot of speculation. I'll leave it at that that she might be guiding the child. What is what is her? What is her name again? Gabrielle Union.

1:05:18 She was in Clue, not Clueless. She was in one of those cheerleading movies, and then she did Bad Boys 2. I'm trying to think of all the big movies she did. I got him here. Oh, man, she's done quite a lot. Yeah, she's worked a lot in Hollywood, but Bad Boys 2 Think Like a Man, Deliver Us from Evil. Bring it on. Bring it on. I think that was the cheerleading movie, right? Bring it on. Yeah, that was the cheerleading movie I remember her from. But that's the whole story behind it. But my problem is:

1:05:59 one, you're making a public statement. Two, the child is only 12 years old. I think that's a little young, like you even said, for any child to be making a lifelong decision. Three, we don't see this with other groups of people and their children. It's more a private affair. Right. But of course, she's she's that, you know, this is she's Hollywood and he's sports, you know, which there's some things going on there too.

1:06:36 Right. And how this all kicked off was it was originally they showed up, showed up at a pride uh parade and she was there and the uh Zion was dancing on floats. And I have a real problem with taking children to some of these parades in the first place because they're they're adult themed. Yes, especially San Francisco. I've uh I've I was there during Pride and oh, yeah, it's very adult themed. Yeah, so and and then the other thing is to say a child is homosexual or heterosexual means you're sexualizing the child.

1:07:18 Yes, sir. That's another problem I have with it. Now, if you have a gender identity issue and you're not sexualizing the child, who am I to say? But anytime a child is sexual sexualized, and I saw this with another child, he was the drag queen, like the 10-year-old drag queen. And he was dancing. Sad. Ellen had him on the show and he was spinning around the whole child. It's child abuse. It's complete child abuse. It's crazy. So I want to make it clear to the people that's listening. My issue is not the transitioning. It's the sexualization and the promotion of that sexualization and sensational and sensationalizing it as well. Because they are.

1:08:03 It's sensationalizing. It's making a big deal out of it. So let's get into part two of the clip with Ellen. So when our child comes home with a question, when our child comes home with an issue, when our child comes home with anything, it's our job as parents to listen to that, to give them the best information that we can, the best feedback that we can. And that doesn't change because sexuality is now involved in it. So once Zaya, our 12-year-old came home, and first Zion, everybody, I don't know if everyone knows, originally named Zion, Zion Born, as a boy, came home and said, hey, so I want to talk to you guys. You know, I think going forward, I'm ready to live my truth.

1:08:45 And I want to be referenced as she and her. I would love for you guys to call me Zaya. And so internally, now is our job to one. go out and get information, to reach out to every relationship that we have. My wife reached out to everybody on the cast of Poe's. We're just trying to figure out as much information we can to make sure that we give our child the best opportunity to be, you know, her best self. Let me go tell everybody at work. No, and she re okay. I don't know if you're familiar with the show, Pose. No, of course not. Okay, so Pose is the show with the ballroom dancing.

1:09:26 Are you familiar with that culture? Well, what ballroom dancing? Yeah, the ballroom scene where they do the voguing, and it's guys dressed up as women, identifying as women. Sure, sure, sure. They do all the voguing and take your child to talk to there's better sources. You're a millionaire, your wife's a millionaire, and you take them to a TV show cast. This very, it didn't say, and I was on the fence about doing this segment of the show.

1:10:09 The problem I have is I really don't know enough about them. I don't think anyone can, um, or about any of the people on the cast. I mean, the people, the cast could be a fantastic, uh, fantastic bunch of people. True. But all of this being done out in the open is part of the, well, you know, this is the way to go, I guess. I'm not sure. I mean, I've read the book. I bought the book specifically, How to Know If Your Child is Transgender and What to Do About It. And I swear to God. And this is the book. This is the book that all the parents of trans of kids who want to transition or are transitioning read.

1:10:52 And I bought it specifically to understand. 80% of the book is political. You know, how to deal with this, how to deal with these people, how to deal with how to, it's like a roadmap for the parents. 20% is about the kid. And that's what I'm saying. So I've educated myself. I've got to get the child the help. I've educated my kid to educate myself as best as I could, but I mean, please. And what I mean by help is if you want to get the child help to embrace their new life, if that's their choice, fine. If you want to say, well, we might want to slow it down. We're not going to discourage you.

1:11:32 If that's their choice, to each is all. I'm not one of those people that try to tell people how to parent their child. But when my issue is the sexualization of the child, whenever that's like me saying, yeah, my 12-year-old daughter, she's a heterosexual. If I said that, people like, how do you know? I mean, like, how you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a bold statement. I hear you. So I have a clip from Ricky Smiley here, and he provides another perspective on this story. Yeah. Everybody's kids. It's just an opinion because, you know, okay, I'm done.

1:12:18 Yep, you too. Yep, so just let it go. But anyway, here's my son. Now they got the baby up here. They take a founder picture. The baby up here, 12 years old with a acrylic nails. Acrylic nails and a halter top shirt on. Now, be what you want to be. But the question is: if that boy was a real little girl, is it appropriate? Because my 12-year-old daughter wouldn't have on no halter top and no acrylic nails. My 12-year-old girl, because they got plenty of time for that. They got the rest of their life to do that. Now, why you got to march that out in front of everybody and that's still a child? This is just me.

1:13:00 Now, you can get mad at me and the LG BT community can attack me or whatever and say whatever they want to say. But I'm just talking about just as a parent, you got to use a certain amount of discretion. And it almost feels like exploitation to a child's sexuality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, you don't know. I know I kind of caught you flat-footed with this story. Not really. But that's why I'm trying to... No, I'm just as far as you don't know specifically this story. The just tangent. There are images that go with it. And the images, as

1:13:39 Ricky Smiley was saying, is the picture they took, the kid got like three, four-inch acrylic nails on and a crop top. And it's like, how many of you are not doing that? No, my name is just started wearing. Yeah, exactly. It's inappropriate. I got lucky because my daughter, when she was around 12, she was into Good Charlotte and she just wore black, black pants, black, black hair, black eyes, black, black, everything. How unattractive can I make myself? Like, this is good. I like where you're going with this. This is perfect. Keep them away. I have a 16-year-old daughter. I have a 10-year-old daughter. So he falls in the ages of those two.

1:14:19 And really, girls don't really get into how I say, like, doing their hair. If I want to say that, like, you know, obsessing over it and the nails and stuff to about 15, 16 years old, makeup, that kind of thing. You got a 12-year-old boy getting acrylic nails and wearing crop tops. Well, now, because she's chosen it, I'm going to recognize her as a girl and I'll say Zaya and I'll say girl. Oh, excuse me. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I got you. Got to be fair on that. But yeah, I'm seeing the pictures. I understand. No, it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate.

1:15:02 And with the whole backdrop, now our ladies click these out. Oh, I know it's coming. I mean, I'm just sitting here waiting for the hammer to fall. We talked about the emasculation of black men, putting black men in dresses in Hollywood and Billy Porter. Oh, you mean like Martin Lawrence? And then, and what's his face? Chappelle. Yeah, Chappelle, Lil Nas X. I mean, we see all these things that it's constant. We only make up 6% of America, black men. 6%. Now, how many of the flamboyant

1:15:50 homosexuals do black men represent in Hollywood? It's overrepresented. And we've done this show. We've done the show on this. And the whole point I'm trying to make is when you see it through that lens, and maybe people can't see it how Ricky Smiley sees it, how I see it. That, wow, like. Let me play this back to you. So you're seeing in Hollywood, when you look at Hollywood production, you're seeing an over and an unrealistic, inflated amount of black men who are gay, flamboyant, definitely not your typical masculine representation of a man.

1:16:35 Correct. I mean, you see, you have Billy Porter, you have RuPaul, you have Lil Nas X. I mean, the list goes on, and what we're looking for is the counterparts in other cultures, and you don't see it. We only make up 6% of the population. Black men do. 6%. Yes. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Because of course I don't see it that way. I will now, though. This show ruins me. There's all this shit. And I hear people of color. And I got to see all the, I got to pay attention to the black man on TV. Oh, my God. And like I said, if she was 17, 18 years old, that's fine.

1:17:20 I don't have a problem with it now. But the fact that I'm a parent, I don't like to see kids misused. Well, of course. That's the whole reason for I even took up for MLK saying he was the modern day Bretta. That he, I mean, he didn't have a choice, a lot of choices in the way he was being steered. Right. I'm fair across the board, but when you look at this as a whole, a lot of people wouldn't understand what Snoop Dogg was saying and why he was so angry. Well, you know, of course, a whole. Yeah, once you know what's going on, once you know why he's mad and what it's really about, but of course, even that fleeting moment of understanding is just being plowed over by the mainstream and their own agenda.

1:18:09 Anyway, I don't want to go back to that. I want to stick with the story and hear where you're taking it next. We have one of our favorite YouTubers, Mr. Chronicle of Judah144, and he chimes in on D-Wade's son. If they were truly concerned about supporting this young man, they would have made sure that they imbued him with masculine energy so that he could understand exactly what his role is supposed to be in this society. And this is why, brothers, again, a lot of you guys have a hard time understanding why I come out against the so-called pro-blacks because this is what they're actually about, man. The so-called pro-blacks, for the most part, they're not for the empowerment of. of so-called black people. They use the pro-blackity black stuff, especially the celebrities who try to act like they're pro-black.

1:18:51 They use the fake pro-blackity black stuff as a cover to get you to let your guard down. Then they want you to accept what they're really about, which is pansexuality, transgenderism, homosexuality, lesbianism, pederasty, etc. That's what they're actually about. Because they're sexualizing this young boy right here. For him to say that he's a homosexual, what he's really saying is that he's attracted to other young boys or grown men, right? They're sexualizing him. Some people may hear this and think, oh, he's bigoted or, you know, he's not understanding. But we're talking about the bigger story here or the bigger picture.

1:19:35 And so I found this interesting clip from an unlikely source, Mr. David Icke. Oh, yeah, David Icke is the granddaddy of the Lizard people. Of course, I know David Icke and I respect him incredibly for a lot of his lectures, books, all kinds of stuff. He's a very interesting guy. Well, this is a non-lizer clip, but we want to listen to his thoughts on the transgender movement. So if you look at the transgender thing, again, it comes under this heading of if it's the agenda,

1:20:17 you won't have the right for another opinion. Because if you're trying to sell the idea that there is no biological difference between men and women, well, you're on a loser because you can't win that debate. But if you silence the opposition and you intimidate them into silence through abuse and all the rest of it that comes from that, then you don't have to win the debate. Because there is no debate and your view will prevail. And we're seeing it prevail all the time.

1:20:58 So is your thinking here, Mo, that this child is being used/slash abused to further the agenda and to silence the debate? That's exactly what it is. When you look at all the data points, when you look at how black men are being portrayed in the media, it's like an emasculation program that's being ran. Okay, all right. Now I totally understand. Okay, so I'm going to play this back. So when you look at television, Hollywood, movies, et cetera, you're already seeing a high percentage of men in non-traditional masculine roles.

1:21:46 And then you get all this kind of stuff thrown on top. Of course, we're just coming out of the Snoop Dogg thing with Gail and Oprah, and we know what's really behind that. And then this needs to be put front and center. I can totally see where you're coming from. Now, is it real? I can't say yes or no, but I know how it feels to me. It feels to you. I'm just going to take a guess. It feels like there's a systematic thing at work here. Correct. That's exactly right. And it's,

1:22:26 and even if you say something, and if you, if we can't really go back and listen to it, but when Ricky Smiley first started talking, he was stuttering. He couldn't find his words. It was hard for him to say it. Yeah. Is this where we're at where we can't even talk about it? We can't rebut the argument. And then according to David Icke, that's exactly where we're at. And that's the plan. And he continues on with that in clip number two. If people feel that they're in the wrong body, that's none of my business. It's their business. And if they want to self-identify as a sex different to their body, good luck to you, mate.

1:23:10 A, it's your right to do that. And B, it's none of my business. But that's not what it's about. That's the foot in the door. The foot in the door says we must not discriminate against transgender people. Okay, my hands go up. Absolutely agree with you. We shouldn't. Shouldn't we discriminate against anybody? But that's when it starts. And then it starts to move. And now suddenly, you can't say this, you can't say that. You can't have this opinion. you can't have that opinion. If you're a parent and you don't like what's being taught to your kids at school, then you're a bigot and

1:23:48 you are anti-you're a transphobic. And the whole thing expands from the initial we mustn't discriminate against uh uh transgender people. Yes, oh man, I'm so glad you brought this. This is deep, by the way, because this, yeah, sure, it's uh black men now. You know, this is this is an overall attack on men, I think. Uh, hmm, this is exactly what he's saying is so right because even I'm like, how do I exactly, how can I say what I'm feeling?

1:24:28 I'm not quite sure how to put it into words. But the whole point is, even struggling and having the conversation, you know, in the back of your mind, there's someone going, Transform. And that's how it works, I guess. And then you got to read, I'll send you, I'll send you a copy of this book that all parents are reading who believe their child wants to transition or feel it or the kid is said it, whatever it is. It's kind of the book. And you'll see what I mean. It's, it's, that's why this is kind of hitting home what you're saying here. It's 80% political. How do you deal with this? How do you deal with school? How do you, you know, not about how do you love the child?

1:25:11 How do you shepherd your child through this? Joe, it's like, well, you could, here's all the numbers you can call. And it looks a heck of a lot like a program now that you've brought this to my attention. And as he said, they keep pushing not, and when I say things like black people, white people, transgender people, I'm not talking about the everyday, and I use this term running the meal people. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about the icons or the representations that they use in the media. Yes. That's my problem because these

1:25:52 tools that they use in the media, and I don't mean it as a disparaging remark, but it's kind of like how I talk about the bullet. It's the same thing. They use these talking heads and these talking points to shape society. Yes. And once they start pushing, if you don't stand your ground and say, no, I'm not going to go back any further. Now you can live in your space. I can live in my space and we could coexist with each other, but you're not going to infringe and make me change my mind on what I believe. I can respect your beliefs. We do this on the show all the time. Of course. I might not agree with something you say.

1:26:35 Okay, that's fine. You know, okay, we'll agree to disagree and we'll keep moving on. But this next clip is the exact example of not only can they exist in their world in the way they want to exist, they want to infringe on institutions. And case in point is Billy Porter on Sesame Street. Emmy and Tony award-winning actor Billy Porter has some words for those who have spoken out about him wearing a dress on Sesame Street. Now, last month, pictures were posted of Billy on set of season 51 of the long-running children's series wearing a velvet gown.

1:27:18 The same incredible velvet Christian Siriano gown he wore to the 2019 Oscars. A Republican state senator from Arkansas, whose name shall not be named, said in a Facebook post, Do you approve of your taxpayer dollars being used to promote radical LGBTQ agenda? He added he would like a bill to cut off all funding to PBS. Yeah, okay. Well, last night, Billy had the best response telling Page 6, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Now, listen, it really is that simple. Let me break it down for you in simple terms. Think of it like this: I don't like sci-fi, so I don't watch it.

1:27:59 I hate steak, so I don't eat it. Do sci-fi and steak still exist? Yes, they do. Senator No Name, queer people exist. It is not an agenda, and we are not going anywhere. So, are you offended, Billy wore a gown on Sesame Street? As a parent, is it best to ignore a man in a dress or to explain to your children why a man is in a dress? Do you think PBS's funding should be cut? Let me know in the comments below. Oh, man. Oh, I hate this. I really hate hate this. this one. Let me say first.

1:28:40 I come from show business since I was 15, but really 19. And I've always enjoyed the colorful people in the business. We had boy George back in the day. You know, Elton John, I mean, is another perfect example. Colorful people bring color and joy to the world in their own unique way. But that was on, you know, like you had to be an adult. You buy a ticket to go see the show. You know, he would be in the context of an entertainment-based program, which is fun. You know, it's fun to have someone different, not the same old boring people. I enjoy that and I appreciate it.

1:29:25 Sesame Street is a learning tool. And I think there's other ways to introduce other ways to introduce this to children. Now, to immediately take it to, do you think that this is just some bullshit asshole who's like, do you think TBS should be defunded? PBS should be defunded by the government because they make money from the military industrial complex. It's all brought to you by Raytheon and the Grumman. They don't need government money for this. But that's not the position of Sesame Seeds. Sesame Street is a tradition, and it stands for something and it's changed over time.

1:30:09 But I think there's other ways to do this than Billy Porter. I think Billy Porter is qualified to instruct children. I did like his dress and the hat at the Oscars. And I would say this. I would say the same thing if it had a puppet with a MAGA hat on spewing dollars. Same thing. Can't have that either. No. This is for children. Most parents, they want to sit their kid down in front of Sesame Street, you know, with some animal crackers and like, you know, and not have to worry about their child being steered.

1:30:50 It's not about where you're steering him, man. It's like, let them learn the numbers, the letters, the colors, how crayons are made. And that's fine. But I mean, that's what I learned from Sesame Street. But that's the problem. It's just, it's this one after another, after another, pushing these boundaries. And then it recoils. You know, when you push that spring down, it's going to have to recoil. And then when it does, there's like, see, like this guy said, oh, I don't like steak, so I don't eat it. Yeah, that's totally. How many groups are like, you don't need to eat meat? It's meat killing the planet.

1:31:31 Exactly. Thank you. Bernie Sanders' speech interrupted by women against cow's milk. Right. So, I mean, I just wanted to bring that up. It's just that the black community is always have been embracing of homosexual people. Yes, very much. We proved that with the episode we did about Harlem. And so when you talk about AR Rustin. Hold on. Let me stop. Let me stop you for a second. You make a blanket statement there, which I don't think a lot of people agree with.

1:32:08 What's that? My perception, and you know where I'm coming from, my perception is that black men, ADOS men, just to make it specific, because I think that there is a difference. My perception do not like homosexuality. Okay. We may not agree with it. Because you made a valid point. If a person wants to be called by a name, and I have this argument with some of the people that agree with me. I mean, I'm not calling them, you know, that or why would you antagonize a person?

1:32:53 If you want to be, you know, I knew a person and they want to be called Patty Spain. Okay, that's your name, Patty Spain. They were transitioning, whatever. Cool, whatever. That's what you want to be called. Muhammad Ali changed his name. To antagonize a person, that's one thing. But then you say, well, do you agree? No, but I mean, that's your life. Why can't we have that stance? But when you say you don't agree, then that's when they get want to throw you in a re-education camp. It's like, you have to comply. You have to comply. So accepting, you can disagree with something and accept it. Would you, would you, okay?

1:33:36 Would you, let me try this on you. Would you agree that white men in general in America, let's just keep it in America, are more accepting of men exhibiting non-masculine, flamboyant behavior versus Ados men. And this is where I think we do need to take the account, take into account the historical assault on Ados men. That's the point. This thinking, I can't think of the white version of a RuPaul. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of it at all. RuPaul almost looks white sometimes.

1:34:18 I'm just saying, but who is the equivalent in pop culture of that? I mean, when you say a white man, I'll tell you. You guys, you, you, Mo, you guys got RuPaul. You know, and I think every guy looks at RuPaul like, shit, man. Now, what do the white guys get? We get divine, if you can remember. That's what we got. Is that too old a reference for you? I think I know who you're talking about. I think I know who you're talking about. That's who we are. Yeah, but I'm just saying that the flamboyantness, you get Anderson Cooper. Right. That's a white colour. Well, okay. Well, Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve, as an example.

1:35:03 I'm like, oh, please. It's just, it's too gay for me. And I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. And we can move on to the next block. I just want to make this one point. Why is it when white men become flamboyant, they emulate black women? Oh, this is, thank you. You're asking me, I wish I had an answer, and I wish we could stop all of that. But yes, it's you're, oh my God. You know what? I think. It's the culture. It's the culture. It's like, oh, if I'm going to be flamboyant, then I have to act and talk like a black woman. And they learn that from black men. So it's you, I've never seen a flamboyant white man.

1:35:48 Maybe, maybe the Liberace, maybe. Well, I mean, but how many years ago was that? I mean, you don't have anybody like that in pop culture now. No, no, I mean, I have lots of people that I know or friends or in my circle. And not all gay men act like that at all. Exactly. Exactly. At all. But all, but that, but that's interesting because, you know, I think what you and I are like, it's like, I don't give a shit, whatever. Whatever you do is fine. And if you're my buddy and you're, you, you want to be flamboyant, fine. I'll laugh along. It's, it's cool. I got no problem. But I'm also not, well,

1:36:28 that's actually changing, but as a white man, I haven't had this constant assault on me since, you know, no man in the home. But we, but white guys are starting to feel this a little bit because we, in case you hadn't noticed, you might want to check your email. We're the problem. We're the patriarchy. It's the white male who's fucked everything up. So I'm starting to feel it, but it's in the, it's, it's more direct. It's not so subtle. It's not a subtle elimination. It's basically one day we'll wake up and decide that, you know, you white straight guys, especially if you're old, you have to go away. But what's happened to the black man is been sneaky and nasty.

1:37:11 And this is the last point I'm going to make on this. We've been that for 400 years. And I know that sounds like a cliche, but no. And what they realize is that, okay, we got them at 75% single mother rate. So they're not really an issue anymore. You know, as long as we control the women, then we control the kids. And, you know, now we have to go after the big target, the white men. You are the canary in my coal mine, my friend. And I appreciate it. Let's promise to come back and do a do this topic again. This is some of the most difficult talk for two men to have, really, because just because of how you're perceived is talking about it, I think. I think that's somewhere in the back.

1:37:55 It must be in the back of your mind. I know that we don't give a shit about whatever anybody does, but when it comes to this kind of assault, and I feel you on the 400 years, I feel you that way. Having known you, because believe me, six months ago, I've been, what are you talking about, Willis? Right. So let's promise that. We'll table this conversation. We will come back around to it. Good. I like it. I like it a lot. Can I get the sound effects? effects so I can go into the C-block? C-Block it is. Clip 22. It's time for another news.

1:38:34 We take a look at the news stories that may not be on your radar, but they should be. Police in Cedar Rapids, Michigan arrested a man for allegedly kidnapping a woman and forcing her to watch all nine hours of Roots, telling her it was, quote, so she could better understand her racism. Come on, bro. I know it's Black History Month, but this ain't the way. I recommend everybody watch Roots at least once because you want to, not at gunpoint. Yeah. Now, you and I have talked about Roots. I don't know if it was on the show or it was before we started the show. It wasn't on the show. Yeah, it's a, what do you call it? It was the Colin Kaepernick episode. No, Toby. Right, no, no, but you call it

1:39:16 a victim trauma. Trauma-based entertainment. Trauma-based entertainment. Yes. Now, I'll just repeat it. When I was young growing up, I can't remember the exact year, but I was still living with my parents. And I was living in the Netherlands and it came on and it was very impactful. And we would sit every week, we'd watch another episode because another, oh, another episode, another episode. And it was impactful. That's what I remember. And I don't think you've even seen the movie. I think you read the book, right? No, I've seen, I've seen it. I'll seen to see it. When it came back on, I mean, my parents sat me down, like, sit down, boy. And you know what I'm saying?

1:40:00 And watch this. Oh, so they did. They forced you to watch it. Oh, all right. Right. Right. Because it was like, it's a history lesson, but it's like so incorrect and incomplete. But, I mean, for the 1970s, that's what you get. But this man forced a white woman to watch Roots. Whereas he should have forced her to listen to at least 20 episodes of Mo Facts. That would have helped her right there. But no. Saved her some time. But no, no. No, go watch some Roots. So, okay, so let's get into the clip 23.

1:40:43 Man named Robert Lee Noy was charged with first-degree harassment and false imprisonment after he kidnapped a white woman and forced her to watch the nine-hour slave documentary Roots so she could better understand racism. That's it. That's the tweet. According to police reports, when the woman tried to move, Noy threatened to kill her and spread her body parts starting with her foot across Interstate 380 on the way to Chicago. Roots, which first aired on American TV in 1977, follows the struggles of one African-American family told over several generations, starting with Kunta Kinte. When the white woman was asked, Does she better understand racism after being kidnapped and forced to watch Roots?

1:41:22 She replied, Yes, after being kidnapped and forced to watch Roots by a black man, I totally understand why some white people hate black people. Well, the story had onion written all over it by that last line. And then the foot thing. Yeah, like this is dark with a foot. Now, was this real? I remember seeing the headline fly by, but was this real? Was this thing? Did this really happen? This is real. These are real stories. Now, real as it can be. I understand why white people hate black people. Yeah, that's hilarious.

1:42:04 I thought that was a funny line. First of all, for her not to be traumatized and then to have a comedic relief, that was pretty funny. But when I heard this, my mind started to do what it does. Uh-oh. Roots. Captive woman, roots. White woman, captive, roots. You know, and I was like, I got it. American horror story. And my number one moment, roots or headless roots. This was the funniest moment from the episode. Watching Delphine's head just squirm as she was trying to make it through Queenie's Marathon. Stubborn old ladyhead.

1:42:43 And Queenie was hilarious too. Whenever she was listening to all the movies in her marathon, I thought she was going to say Precious based on the novel Push by Sapphire. Bonus points to any of you guys who can complete Queenie's movie marathon successfully. Did I start this clip too early? No. Got to tell me what's happening here. So let me fill you in. America Horror Story. It's this show. It comes on FX. Yeah, I never watched it. I know about it, never watched it. Season three was about a witch Coven in Louisiana, and it was racist. racially charged. You had the black witches and the white witches, literally, you know, saying

1:43:26 racially black and white. And one of the black witches, well, they resurrected this old white witch that came from slavery, slavery era. So somehow her head gets cut off. And then the black witches take her head and sit in front of television and make her watch all these black television shows and include a roots. Hey. So I was like, when I heard this story, I was like, where did it hear this scenario at? Life imitating art. I love it. Well,

1:44:07 it really does. And I wonder if that's where he got the idea from. But to get the feet, just to give you context of the scene and what happened, I have the actual scene from America Horror Story, Head 2. So we're going to have ourselves a little film festival. You're going to watch Mandingo, The Color Purple, and then my personal favorite, Baps, starring Miss Hallie Berry. Oh, God. Roots. No, no, no, not that jungle music. Enjoy. No, wait a minute. No, no, no. Turn it down.

1:44:47 Oh, Lord. Oh, no. Oh, I wish I was in Landa Cotton. Old Time's Dead. Now I forgot. Look away. Look away. Look away, Dixie Land. Now I got to go watch this damn show. So to give you the visual, her head's sitting on a and her head singing along. Is that what's going on? Just her head. Just her head. Because she's a witch. So she's been beheaded, but she's not dead. Of course not. We all know that's not how you kill a witch. Hello. Right. You got to burn them. But yeah, so they have her head sitting up there and they force her to watch all these

1:45:28 baps and Mandingo and roots. And that she can't take it. So to wrap it up, let's listen to the final American horror story clip. Yeah, I kept my eyes shut tight entire time, vile Negress. I didn't see a bit of it. I'm not surprised. You kept your eyes closed your entire life. You can't keep your ears closed, though. Not without no hands to cover them. What is that heinous cattle? And something my grandma used to listen to. If this doesn't touch her soul,

1:46:13 you don't have one. When will my pedition end? You learned something. One stubborn old ladyhead, you know. I gotta go. We gotta find this guy, man. We gotta find out if he was inspired by the great work of American Horror Story. Like I said, when I heard this story, I was like, I heard that scenario somewhere before, and it popped in my head.

1:46:53 American Horror Story. And as you heard there, it's about re-education. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. And who produces that piece of crap? Who produces that? I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't even watch it like that, but I just wanted to see where they were. Whenever something's like racially charged, I want to see where it goes. And I was like, oh, okay, this is what this is about. Black witches against white witches and slave masters. And okay, another trauma-based trauma-based entertainment. So I didn't really get into it like that, but I remember that scene because it was just so jarring. I was like, oh, okay. So that's the C-block.

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1:56:37 MoFundMe.com. All right. So we're in the final block, the D block, and it kind of bleeds over from the C block. Growing numbers of African-American women in Maryland and across the nation are leaving traditional church worship. All of them are in search of something else. A spiritual belief that connects them to their ancestors and where they can feel more empowered to control their own well-being. They have found it in ancient forms of spiritual contact. Some call it witchcraft, a term they accept and embrace. For most of us, this is how we worship, a tradition that predates us all.

1:57:22 This, too, is an ancient art of worshiping, not to God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but to spirits and deities that span the oceans and date back to pre-slavery days in Africa. Are you, in fact, witches? I'm whatever the situation calls for. So if you come to me with pleasantries, you're being respectful. You'll get Glenda, the good witch of the suburbs. But if you come at me with negativity and meanness and disrespect, then you'll get Evelyn, your worst nightmare. Okay. Where is this from? This is from the Maryland News. News.

1:58:05 Really? The local news in Maryland. Yes. So these women are leaving the church for a life of witchcraft? Yes. This is okay. Adam's white perspective. I don't think, and I think we've talked about this. This is not something black people are into, witchcraft. Case in point, Mary Ann Williamson. Yes. When we first started talking. That's right. Yeah. And everything was going great. She was talking reparations. And then all that crazy stuff happened in the church, and everyone went, nope, I don't think so. And who is she the spiritual advisor for? Oh,

1:58:49 and who is on the wall of black women nowadays for a certain segment of black women? Oprah. You see how this come full circle, Mr. Curry? Wow. The coven is on your wall, people. Seriously, I mean, you. Yo, you tricked me. No, no, Moe, no, you tricked me. You tricked me. You said there's going to be a potluck, but there's a theme here. It is. No, it's not. You tricked me. It's not a theme. It's life. Honestly, I mine these clips separately. That's fantastic. And

1:59:32 they were just sitting in my, I have a clip bank where I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I just throw it in there. Yeah. And as I see linked everything together. And see, I just got C today speaking about the man making the women watch, white woman watch roots. Right. I just got that today. And I was like, whoa, that links everything together. And I didn't intentionally meant to do this, but this is how this podcast works. I mean, I love it. I love it. All right. It looks like that. Take me to the witches. Okay, witchcraft too. Oh, shoot, pal. Shoot pale. They have many names and titles and ranks within their belief system.

2:00:16 They are college-educated, professional women who've chosen to believe that theirs is a truer example of worship that is inclusive of the genders. It connects them, they say, to their ancestors and fills a need not found in traditional worship. But most of them grew up in the church. I was raised Christian, all Christians in my family. In fact, my grandfather was a preacher in the South. I also grew up Christian. I grew up Anglican in the Episcopal Church. The older I got, the more disconnect I felt. I was raised Baptist. My father is a deacon. My mom, a deaconess. I was in church all the time. These women are part of a sect. Ile Ola Afefe Osa Meji, spiritual temple.

2:00:54 They worship and offer prayers to Ashun, a predominant deity. The deity or the orisha of aesthetics, beauty, sex, sensuality. They are growing numbers of African-American women who have chosen for themselves a new life, leaving the church in search of more meaning in their lives. And yes, it can be called witchcraft. Shaking my head. I'm blown away. Now, I will say this: witchcraft has always existed

2:01:30 in the quote-unquote black community. Because there's a thing called roots, not the roots that we just talk about, but actual, it's kind of like when somebody works a spell on you. And they're like, don't eat people's food. They could put a root on you or don't do this. They could put a root on you, you know, like a curse. Oh, okay. Right. Do you know what the etymology is of root in that context? It's like some kind of poison root or I would, I don't know it. I think it's either the way I'll perceive it is that you'll have a tie with the person. So it's kind of like you're rooted. You're rooted to that per, you know, like the actual how roots work.

2:02:15 And they can voodoo doll you that way. They can control you. The root. And the common theme, and this is very inside baseball, it's common amongst some a lot of black men that don't eat a strange woman's spaghetti. And well, wait a minute. Yeah. Put two and two together. Oh, I got you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was a way they could work a root on you. So I'm not baffled that witchcraft is existing in our community. What I am baffled by is the openness of it because it's also looked at as a negative, like, oh, you, you dabbling in.

2:02:59 in the devil. The black and the black stuff, yeah. The black arms, right? Yeah, yeah. So it was like, nah, I don't, because that was the that was the thing with Mary Ann Wilson for me. I mean, if you recall, it's like, yes, oh, yeah, you were very good talking points, but bro, that that uh condolene spirit and the people yelling it nah, you lost me with that one, yeah. So, huh, so when I heard this story, I was like, wow, they're actually, and if you notice, they said educated, so they're going on learning these new uh uh train, um, new thought process or new ways of thinking, and now they're coming back and being more open with it.

2:03:47 So, well, okay, but what what this truly is, of course, is um undermining their religious background because they all they all they all came from either my dad was a pastor, I was raised in this church, this church, and uh, it's very clear to point out they went to college and then uh now they're witches. What school did they go to? The way you put it was like so cold, but yeah, so what school did they go to? Is that many of these any of these liberal schools? I mean, a lot of these liberal schools, and we're gonna get to where I think the source is really coming from, but let's get into uh witchcraft three at a recent convention in Baltimore, more than 200 witches gathered, a sisterhood, but their spells are for good, not for evil.

2:04:38 In this ritual, the women are preparing an offering to a shoon on behalf of a woman in California who's looking for a mate. The Ama-type dish is sweetened with honey, believed to be a favorite of a shoon. Prayers are said over the offering and for the woman in need. A portion is offered to Eshu, the male counterpart of a shoon, and placed in a secret place beneath the stairs of this Odin and home. Using shells, they ask the spirit if she is pleased. Four shells are tossed to the floor, two land up, two land down, bounce. The gift is accepted. She accepts it. The traditions may seem odd to most, a mystery to some, complex and multi-layered.

2:05:17 But these daughters of the moon, followers of a shun, women powerful, determined, and understanding, say there is nothing to fear. They are here, and they will be here for the foreseeable future. Yes, there are witches among us. This is something that our ancestors did, and all we're doing is tapping back into it so that we can become our best selves individually and collectively. Okay, how old are these women mid just by looks of it, early to mid-30s, maybe 40s? And do they still live with their parents or are they married? Are they all single?

2:05:57 From the tell of it, they're successful, educated women, right? But I'm looking for the family situation. Are they married? Do they have kids? Are they single? They didn't really give all that background. Okay. But it's just, like I said, it's interesting. And what is this about our ancestors? Our ancestors used to do this, really? Well, that was one of the main themes in the show of American horror story. This is our original religion. You've seen Skeleton Key. You've seen a life of what? A life of secret life of bees. That was a witch COVID. The color purple had witchcraft.

2:06:40 This thing has been here just under the surface. But now we're starting to see these different schools of thought surface. Dude, this could be like some club, and Oprah's the head of it somehow. Hello. She was a big pusher of the secret. Oh, man. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God. That was the huge book club push. Yeah. Which is basically, you know, you can manifest, you know, anything with the thought, the power of the mind.

2:07:20 Yes. Yeah. So, which, like, I'm just saying, it's not strange that people are branching off to new religions, but these women came out of the church and now they're headed into that other direction. You got to ask, where is this coming from? Yeah. So, yes. Hello, I'm asking. Yes. Yeah. So, how practicing witchcraft helped as a black woman? Trauma has touched so many parts of. of my life. I first started to deepen my practice when I was coming out of an especially traumatic situation.

2:08:02 In the aftermath of trauma, especially this really intimate trauma, you kind of feel like your whole world has exploded, that you don't have a way for understanding who you are or how you relate to the world around you. So, my magical practice, my witchcraft, was a way of reorganizing the world around me, re-understanding who I was and how I could exist in the world. When I was kind of in the deepest pits of depression and struggling with anxiety, even though I knew that the right thing to do would be to get out of bed and take a shower, I just didn't feel like I deserved those things. But by giving myself a ritual, that transformed into I have to get up and take a shower because there is a part of me that is holy, and that holy part deserves to be taken care of.

2:08:46 So, while talk therapy was very helpful to me, it was actually magic and ritualistic practice that helped me get to my therapist's office in the first place. Whether it's acute trauma or if it's the kind of trauma that exists when you exist in a body that society doesn't accept or doesn't value. I found witchcraft very helpful because it's a practice that really centers my personal value. And in a world that keeps telling me that I don't have value, that's a really radical, uh, radical act. Wow, okay. So, she's preaching of some common trauma or trauma that women have the victimization mentality.

2:09:28 So, what they're trying to do is take control back over their life because they feel like they've been victims, just taken away from what she said. You know, I had no control over my life. But magic, from the way I perceive it, is lets you believe that you're controlling things. You're in control. You can do a spell or you can do a ritual that lets you push you back into control. Now, I'll say I'm a big fan of manifesting. I don't think like the secret is you know the way to go. I'm all about personal development. So,

2:10:09 it's probably better than drugs to go this route. So, yeah, I can't. I'm not sure how I feel. Maybe the visual would have helped. What did she look like? She also didn't feel right in her body, or her body was rejected. She was an attractive young lady. So, my point is: this: I don't care what you believe. That's your person. You're going to find out about me. Whatever you're into, whatever floats your boat, you like it. I love it. What I'm pointing out is you have this mass exodus of people leaving traditions.

2:10:49 What is the root cause behind that? That's what I'm getting into. When you see something going, a group of people going one way, where is this coming from? Is this being steered from the top down? Is this being introduced through pop culture and people start looking it? Uh, look into it. I mean, you saw this with Harry Potter. So, when Harry Potter came out, magic became very popular. Yes. Before then, it was for the unpopular, or for lack of a better term, for the nerds. Yeah, who would see themselves as not having control over their life and they need something to give them

2:11:31 power or strength. So, maybe these women are feeling the same way. They feel like they're victims and they need to have some way of controlling their lives. I mean, that's just the way I take away from it. Right, but it's it's um it's an interesting observation that they apparently don't find this in the church anymore. This that's true, that is true. That is true, and that's the part I can't figure out where what went wrong, or maybe the church is seen as the patriarchy. Because if you listen, my dad was a pastor, my you know, my dad was a deacon, yeah, yeah, it could be, could be.

2:12:13 So, so that might be just another rejection of the patriarchy, but but it's definitely a trend, otherwise, it wouldn't be uh i mean i think these stories crop up from time to time but i can't recall a story of women being witches who were all uh black i don't i don't recall that well these stories do crop up and witches also showed up witches planned to cast a spell if you like to participate in the ritual that's been making the rounds online members from the coven of the raven moon say this is all you're going to need but they tell me the ritual they're doing here it's going to be a little bit different which is from the coven of the rape Raven Moon say they're doing their part to make sure America doesn't end up watching its own horror story.

2:12:55 So it is the end-all squash-all of all negativity, and that's a beautiful thing. At midnight, covens from around the world will be lending their energy to cast a spell on President Trump. High Priestess Amy Jean Goosland says witches from her coven will be using a ritual that will help keep negativity out of the office. Basically, what the spell does is it prevents the person in question from being able to draw energy from any negative sources, and it prevents the person in question from being able to project energy that is going to have negative or hurtful outcome on other people. And while the effects may not be immediate, sometimes things can happen as soon as the next day, instantly, sometimes three months from now.

2:13:36 Members of this coven say the binding spell will make room for more positive energy to flow into the White House. We do actually have covenors who are Trump supporters. They would not have a need to feel binding him was a hindrance because what it's going to stop him from doing isn't anything they should want him to do anyway. These covenant say it's just a matter of time before we see what's in the cards. Good health and prosperity and abundance for everybody. And that I think that it is all there to be had for all of us. And all hail, Coven of the Raven Moon. Blessed be the witches. Inflammat Miranda Parnell, NBC 25 News. Well, it worked.

2:14:15 Good job. The president's no negativities wasn't impeached. It looks like he'll probably get re-elected. Economy is good. I appreciate it. Witches. And in this news story, they actually told you the ingredients what to get. You need something orange, and you know, they gave you the whole rundown. Something orange. Oh, that's it. Seriously, that was bad. Seriously, that was one of the things. You need something orange. And they listed all the ingredients. So they were promoting the casting of spells through the media. And this is not the first time President Trump has had beef with the witches.

2:14:59 To defense for President Trump. From all things Russia to impeachment. It's a terrible witch hunt. The greatest witch hunt. I have witch hunts every week. But there's a group that's not amused. The witches of Washington. This is one of their meetings. And Dash Keys tells us when the witches, like you see here, are gathered, President Trump does come up. Sure. He does. And not only does he come up, but there are people in the community that take action, you know, through magic, through spell work, to try to change the circumstances. Witchcraft, not so much like this. Are you brought to the old to be trick-or-treating? But through rituals like this. Spells? Sure. Do they still happen? Yeah, they do.

2:15:44 Yeah. Tell me about that. Yeah. So in a lot of ways, spell work, magic, these are all akin to prayer in a lot of ways. Worth noting, Dash is a witch. The term doesn't just refer to women anymore. As for the president's use of the term witch hunt, Jash says, when you look at the past, it's simply absurd. Historically, witch hunts were performed by the powerful toward the marginalized. To have the president of the United States claiming to be the target of a witch hunt feels like it's just wrong. In Northwest, Mike Valerio, W USA Not. They're seeing it all wrong.

2:16:25 No, they were casting spells, putting orange peels out there, doing whatever. And he became a witch, and then he was hunted as a witch hunt. I don't see the problem. They nailed it. They've turned the president into a male witch. Well, okay, I guess not. We don't have enough time for that to go all the way in that one and not enough thereum. But there are so I don't know where this witch thing came up, and it really came out the woodworks with casting of spells on presidents after Hillary lost. And some people have said Hillary is literally a witch.

2:17:10 What was our right-hand man in Arkansas? What is his name? He was with the whole Clinton cartel or whatever. He used to be. He was her. He was her Roger Stone. Her version of Roger Stone. I can't remember. He used to be on Alex Jones all the time. Like, yeah, she smells like sulfur and whatever, but I digress. It's all right. I got you. I tell you, I feel where you're coming from. Yeah, after 2016, witches came out of the woodworks. Yeah. Okay, these are disturbing trends we must keep our eyes on because before you know it. I got nothing against witches, by the way. Ladies, don't need no spells.

2:17:55 Ladies only? Hey, hey, that's right. That's right. Dash? Hey, dash. Dash is my dash. Oh, my goodness. Do I do the sound effect here? Yeah. All right. So this last clip is a random clip and it really doesn't fit in anywhere, but it covers a theme that we first talked about on the show, maybe on the first couple episodes. And that was no man in the house. And no man in the house basically is taking the father out and letting another entity become the father.

2:18:35 I want to give a shout out to my kids, real daddy. Thank you, government, for putting me on. I mean, you were the definition of a real father. Because when your kids is hungry, they have food stamps. Yeah, we shop at Walmart. Yeah, we shop at Publix. We shop at Winn-Dixie. When your kids need shelter, yes, you have housing. And you also have Section 8 for a lot of us. And when our kids fall, get hurt, or sick, they have Medicaid. Yes, we go to the ER, we go to the walk-in clinic, and we also can make a doctor's appointment. I get their prescriptions with no hesitation. Now, if that's not the definition of a real father, making sure your kids have food, shelter, and health care, I don't know what it is.

2:19:15 So, like I said, thank you, government, for being my kid's daddy, and thank you for putting me on. Wow. Well, that's the result. I guess it was the desired result. Is this a recent clip? Yes, this is this year. Thank you, government, for being the father of my kids. Mo, I would be depressed. I would be depressed about this if I didn't know that you're a great dad. You got four kids. God bless him. So that gives me a lot of hope because this is kind of depressing.

2:19:52 And all my friends, and this is where we're not a monolith, because all my friends have kids and they're great fathers. So that's not the case. It's not everybody. I'm just showing this mentality of no man in the house. It lives on. People question me on it. And that's why I played that clip because it lives on and it's only getting stronger. And Mo Facts is going to shut down for this week. Please remember to support the show with some value at mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

2:20:38 Thank you so much, Mo. Great time. Talk to you next week. All right, Sam, you Adam. When I look out my window, so many sights to see. And when I look in my window, so many different people to be that it's strange. Yeah. So strange. You got to pick up every stitch. Laurie.

2:21:21 You got to pick up every stitch. You got to pick up every stitch. That dirty, dirty witch lay on me. You got to pick up every stitch. You got to pick up every stitch.

2:22:01 Rabbits are running in the ditch now. Running and hiding, running and hiding. Running out of hiding. Running out of hiding. Oh, oh, must be the season of the witch. Must be the season of the bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. Lord, Lord, long now. Take a bite. You think that everything will come out right? But it's strange. It's strange. It's strange. It's strange

2:22:43 It'll make you jump through hoops It'll make you turn some loose It's strange Yeah love Talk about it's strange So strange But she lays that love in on you She'll make you forget about home yeah She'll make you turn your back on friends You won't ever wanna come again It's strange Talking about it's strange That old naked witch She's on her job y'all