10: Black and Blue

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 7th, 2019. This is episode number 10. Can you believe that, Mo? It's like two and a half months now. Right, we're in double digits. I mean, this is great. Double digits. Yes, we went double digits. Exactly. How you doing? I'm doing well. Made it through a week of programming, social programming, and I made it out alive. Yes. Hey, I got a lot of great feedback on the last episode. The colorism stuff, man, a lot of people had no idea about this.

00:53 Yeah, I got a lot of great DMs and messages and emails as well. Gave a lot of people insight. I surprised a lot of people. Not a lot, but a handful of people contacted me and said that they had parents say the same thing to them that Tina, not Tina knows, Matthew knows. Beyonce's father told her. Right. Right. Told him about don't bring a dark-skinned person home. So just interested in where that stems from. So I'll do more research on that. But overall, great feedback as always. Yes. And I'd like to start by saying that this is a value for value program, which means we'd like to see how valuable you think the show is.

01:38 And the way it works is you can go to mofundme.com. This is new. M-O-E-FundMe.com, MoFundMe.com. And you can show your support. How much was it worth to you? You listened to the show for an hour and a half, two hours. If you go to the movies, it's probably 50 bucks, but okay. If it's valuable to you, we'd love to know. MoFundMe.com. And you did tell me what the topic was going to be for today. Of course, I know what the case is about. I'm really happy because it was just, I don't know, just a couple days ago, the keeper asked me, what's going on exactly with this? I said, you know, I really don't know.

02:22 I know the outlines of the case, but I really, I just didn't look into it. So let us kick it off for today. Okay, so we're going to talk about the Amber Geiger and Botham Jean trial. That's where, well, let's just get into clip number one and let them tell us what it's about. On September 6, 2018, Dallas police officer Amber Geiger killed Botham Jean inside his apartment. According to police, she thought his apartment was her own. Geiger said his door was unlocked and she mistook Jean for a burglar. I'm Natalie Kelmankun, and this is the reporter's notebook from the Dallas Morning News. A recap about the biggest stories you need to know.

03:05 Geiger's murder trial is set for September 23rd, 2019. Jurors will hear testimony about what happened that night at the Southside Flats apartments, just south of downtown Dallas. Geiger lived one floor below Jean, and it appears they never met. A jury will have to decide Geiger's fate. Jury selection begins September 6, 2019, exactly one year after Geiger shot and killed John. Right, exactly. This was a very weird case. Wrong apartment, some love interest things that were on the periphery, confusing. Of course, there's a racial element to it. I'm very interested to hear what we're going to look at today, how it unfolds. So this is not going to be our typical format show

03:51 that we have been doing with the historical wild ride. Because I wanted to take this opportunity in real time to let people see how the media manipulation is targeted towards black people. That way, we could talk it out and defuse it. So I found this ABC article, ABC piece. It was about seven minutes long. Wow. And I chopped it up into multiple pieces, and I found it to be very mind-controlled-ish. Even from the music, wait a minute. Wait a minute. ABC was broadcasting something that you found to be mind control-ish.

04:38 Gee, what are the surprises? Surprise. Yes, indeed. I'm shocked. All right, so let's get into ABC News Backgrounder 1. Amber Guy was an off-duty police officer arriving home after a long day of work sometime around 10 p.m. Her neighbor, 26-year-old Botham Jean, was in his apartment. Exactly what happened next is still a mystery. But what we know is Geiger went to Jean's apartment. She says she thought it was hers. When she saw him, she fatally shot him. The aftermath of that moment captured in this video. The incident sparking questions nationwide about race, police transparency, and an officer's use of deadly force.

05:17 And I must point out: whenever a so-called news item has really creepy music under it, it's mind-controlling. Yes, that's how it usually goes. That's exactly why I didn't say anything. It began with the big gong, or I guess you would call it a gong kind of sound. Draws you in. It has the, you know, the, like you pointed out, creepy music. And it just goes on from there. So, what I want to do is for half our audience, and I don't know if it's 50%, but for a good majority of our audience or a good segment of our audience, they'll receive it the way I received it as they're trying to manipulate me.

06:00 They're already first 30 seconds in, they've already thrown race into it, which can't be avoided. I mean, we have to really, you know, talk about who's involved in the case and past shootings and things of that nature. But right off the bat, they hit you with the race thing. And that's you being in media, right or wrong, race is good for ratings, correct? Well, this story has almost everything you need. Race is good for ratings. You know, the old news business, of course, is if it bleeds, it leads. So we got that in there. We got love, interest, all kinds of stuff. But yeah, I think these days, absolutely, if we can throw some race stuff out there, people will pay attention.

06:42 So with that in mind, that's what we're going to try to deconstruct and break apart. So let's just get into clip three. According to the arrest affidavit, Geiger, who lived on the third floor, parked on the fourth floor of the building that night. I could have sworn I parked on the third floor. She headed to the apartment directly above her unit, thinking she said it was her own. The door, she says, was slightly open, the interior dark. I thought it was my apartment. I thought it was my apartment. She says that over and over again in this five-minute recording. Is that significant to you? It's significant to the point that it makes me feel that that call was staged.

07:26 It made me feel that she had already spoken with someone. Geiger, still in uniform, said she thought she spotted a burglar, but in fact, it was the apartment's resident, Botham John. She then fired two shots, hitting John once in the chest. Wow, that's an interesting supposition, I guess, whatever you'd want to call it. Oh, it sounded scripted. That's something I would say typically, but that didn't come across as scripted to me. So, as we get more into it, and the way I clipped it, it's kind of out of order because I did it in segments. Okay, so we got the backgrounder. We have a police officer coming off a 13 and a half-hour

08:09 shift, coming home. I think she lived on the third floor, but she parks on the fourth floor. She goes to the apartment she assumes to be hers, enters the apartment, and there's some gray area about how she got in there. If the door was locked, if she knocked or not, but somehow later in the case, they spoil alert to the movie that they're hating here. Because that's what it is. And let's just slow down for a minute. I want to point out to people when you hear these cases, avoid them like the plague.

08:48 But this is what I do. If it wasn't for this show, I would have not gone as deep as I did into this story because I understand how they want to manipulate me, how they want to prod and poke. Well, hold on. Hold on a second. Let me ask you about that. When you say that they want to manipulate you, in what way? I mean, you're speaking from experience. I hear this. I'm just like, I hear the music. I'm like, I'm out. I didn't want to listen to the story, but so I'm glad we're doing it. But you feel that it's going to be manipulated in a putting the black person in a negative light. Is that your immediate feeling when you hear this? No, I think it's about ratings from the media.

09:32 Well, yes. So, of course. They walk a fine line. Correct. As you just said, that's interesting how they say that it sounded scripted. They're going to throw raw meat to both sides. Oh, nice. They're going to be pro-police. They're going to give you a little pro-police. And then they're going to give you a little pro-black. pro-black. And they're going to keep doing this thing to bring both sides in. And then what you have is this explosion when both sides get invested. It's kind of like the Super Bowl or anything else. Or just like political polling. And we, you know, I think we've talked about this. Certainly on no agenda. It's like you got all close race, too close to call.

10:16 Oh, you know, spend more, spend more. That's exactly what it is. Keep them glued. I was pulled in by this with the political polling that Kamala is trending up. Go back to the older episode. I got pulled in. I got suckered in from a headline. So this, if you don't listen to the media spin on these things, then it won't affect you in the way that it does. And by the time, and I'm okay. I think a lot of people wonder and say, why do black people, and I don't want to say overgeneralize, get so sucked into these stories.

10:58 It's because the way the media targeted us with these stories. Hold on, Mo. White people get sucked in just as hard with these stories when they're presented this way. It works. True, true. I'm not saying it does it, but I can only speak from one perspective. And that's why I want this conversation to happen because you can, I think this is probably only the one place that you can get this conversation to happen. Yeah. In real time. And I think that's the real value of the show. And that's why I was really 50-50 on not even doing this show, this topic on this episode because I didn't want to feed into it.

11:41 But I was like, this is a great. And I only decided last night. I'm going to be honest with you. No, no, that's good. And let me just tell you, this is probably appropriate before we get too deep into it. The way the story read to me was: here's a cop. The 13 hours was significant. I'm tired after 13 hours. I have parked on the wrong floor in my building previously, but I noticed it when I got to the door, you know, in the parking garage, the door that goes into the actual residence. So I've done this just in mindlessness. Of course, the door being maybe open or something. I mean, you got to be really tired.

12:26 Now, then, to add on top of all of that, because of course, I forgot all this. You're like, eh, whatever, this is over. And then Tina asked me about it. I said, yeah, I really don't know. I really haven't looked into it because to me, it seems like, well, bad shit happens all the time, but this is one that's playing out. It's like all these, you know, true crime murder things. People are obsessed with it, and it's not for me. However, when I saw a quick news snippet the other day of the cop, I was like, oh, she's cute. That did draw me in a little bit for a second. See? For a second, I'm like, oh. But again, I personally, you know, because just of who I am, I didn't care, but I think you're absolutely right.

13:08 This was a ratings bonanza in just laying in waiting to be brought out to the masses. So that's where I'm going to be. It makes for the perfect movie. And that's why I use this background clip because they actually sell it as a movie in a movie trailer. In a movie trailer. Right on. When I heard this, I was like, this sounds like a movie trailer. Only thing was missing was the guy with the deep voice. Yes. In a world. In a world where white cops kill black people on the wrong floor. Yeah, exactly. So let's go. Let's. Okay. So we've gotten the background. So we're going to break it down. The first reaction is always the 911 call.

13:53 So we're going to hear her talking to 911. I'm an off-duty officer. I thought it was in my apartment. And I shot a guy thinking that he was thinking it was my apartment. An attorney for John's family listening with us. The audio obtained exclusively by Dallas Station WFAA. All I can imagine was both them on the ground taking this last breath. And that was very difficult for me. Okay, we have pop on the way. I know, but I'm going to lose my job. I thought it was my apartment. In the recording, Geiger can be heard growing increasingly distraught. Oh, my God. I'm done. I didn't need to. I didn't mean to.

14:38 I didn't mean to. I'm so sorry. Geiger now potentially facing prison time. Oh, God. Having listened to a lot of 911 calls in investigative research. This was not the 911 call. This was the 911 call, but I don't know how it was edited. She goes from, oh my God, to, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my job. I don't know if that was her first thought. I don't know if that was her first thought, but it certainly was presented that way, which makes me feel immediately like. Why did she think of that? Is that the first thing you'd think of? I wouldn't be thinking of that, but I don't know if that was, it was chopped up.

15:20 Who knows what it was? And we have to listen to the helter skelter way it's being presented. One guy said, all I could think about was Botham laying on the last breath. Yeah, and then she comes, and then it comes back with the next edit. Oh, I'm going to lose my job. And she sounds like a little girl. You know, it sounds like a little innocent child, which makes me believe or makes me think of Greta. Yo, Greta Tinberry, the 16-year-old climate extravaganza. Who they always make to look younger. Huh, interesting. So I just take just a personal takeaway. What we're doing here is what opportunities are. We're deconstructing. We're deconstructing it in real time.

16:05 Correct. So next they go into a little the victim's bio. So let's. Now that 911 call beginning to shed light on what happened that night. Botham John, a St. Lucia native, is described by his friends and family as a quote ray of sunshine. Both of had a love for everything and everyone. So I just want the message of love to permeate throughout this whole process. An active member of the Parallel West Church of Christ. He was beloved by many. Everybody say it. This packed service held in his honor shows.

16:49 His fate forever changed by Amber Geiger. Now, I recognize this as a template that the news media does all the time. Whenever a usually a young black man is shot, this is the template. He was great at school, active member of the church. And I'm just being brutally honest with you, obviously. That's what you and I do together. What I'm missing, I'm missing his mother crying. But that's that was that was his mother talking. Oh, that was his mother. Okay, so that's the mother. That's the template. That is the news template in America when a black man is shot. Yes, and we, as previous shows, we know why. We know the connection with the mother and the child.

17:32 Yep. Who they're the target audience they're trying to reach with this news story. It could be your son, the talk. This thing wraps a bunch of what we've talked about in all the previous nine episodes up into one nice little package. You almost think they're listening to us for instructions. But it's sick. It's sick in a way. It is. But what I can say about Botham John is he was a good guy. He was in his house laying on his floor on his couch, whatever story you want to believe, eating a bowl of ice cream. You can't get any more innocent than that. He was an accountant.

18:17 No priors. So this only heightens. Wait, wait, wait. You mean he wasn't your typical black guy drug dealer? What? I'm so confused. Right. Right. Yeah. Which is the narrative they like to go with. Hell yeah. So this only heightens the stakes in this case because it's like it's purely innocent Botham attractive quote-unquote attractive white woman cop blonde. She fixed perfect casting, you know what I'm saying? Central casting, blonde. And it's just these two people collide into

19:00 this perfect cat. What's the word I want? Catastrophe. Tragedy. Catastrophe. Yes. Yes. Perfect. It's a perfect tragedy. So, but what you pointed out something. You said that he's not the typical drug dealer. But in this happening in real time, right after the case, right after the shooting, his character was attempted to be assassinated. This insane case also in Texas of Botham Gene. And it keeps getting more crazy. He's the black man killed by a Dallas cop. She says she accidentally entered his apartment thinking it was hers and thought he was an intruder.

19:44 But there are. are some big old holes in this. Yeah, there's so much more that we don't know. And the apartment itself, even going to the door, he had a red mat in front of it. Hers did not. Well, she said she had a bunch of packages and couldn't see it. Couldn't see. But she saw well enough to shoot him. And the neighbors are saying, she says the door was ajar, yet the neighbors are saying they heard someone banging on the door saying, let me in. But let me in. Let me ask you if the door was ajar. You, as a police officer, don't know if there's 50 people in there or two. Why didn't you call for backup before you pulled your weapon? Exactly. It sounds like there were disputes on whether it was a jar or not.

20:24 There's a lot of stuff. And then they tried to assassinate his character by saying, you know, they found marijuana in there. Yeah. So you telling me that somebody in their own house can't smoke a jar without fear of getting shot of smoking while black. Yeah, I know. Who said that smoking while black? Which view lady said that? That was Whoopee. Was that Whoopi you said? I don't know. I couldn't tell if it was Whoopsie. No, it was Whoopi talk. That was Whoopee talking and then who chimed in joy. Oh, of course. Well, so this was interesting. This is what we do in the United States media.

21:08 We talk out of our buttholes with no evidence. We don't have no idea. When I think, by the way, a cop shows up at her own door and it's ajar, which is kind of triggered for me the memory of this story whenever it started. Like, oh, well, yeah, if I'm a cop and I show up at my own door and it's ajar, my weapon's out and I'm ready to, you know, I'm a cop, so I'm going to go in and be ready for anything that happens. That was the narrative that I caught when it first came out. You know, I don't even know if I heard it right, but that's what I heard. And so here they are saying, well, you'd call for backup. I would disagree with Whoopi on that.

21:50 But they did try to assassinate his character. Oh, hell yeah. Of course. Yes. Of course. But here we go. The way the narrative was painted to target me. And like I said, I heard these things and glimpses. And I really didn't put a lot of time into listening to it. But just what gravitated towards me, you know, I heard it. I'm just talking to people. The story was: this is how I was told, secondhand from people. And I'm just giving you the perspective of how they received it. He was laying on his floor, eating a bowl of ice cream, and she whipped out the gun and shot him on the floor dead. You know, there was no confrontation. There's no interaction, which that's not true.

22:32 But the guy's laying on his floor eating a bowl of ice cream. How more innocent can you get? But they did try it as the media always does when you're trying. Going back to the campaign analogy, when one guy's running away with it, what do they always do? Well, the one guy's running away with the campaign, you have a sandbag. Attack, yes. Do whatever you can, of course. Because this seemed like it's too open to shut too much of an open and shut case and a sports analogy, a blowout. So they're like, oh, we got to balance it out. You know, let's put the innuendo out there that, you know, he was drug-related.

23:14 Right. Now, I mean, who doesn't smoke a joint, eat ice cream? I mean, come on. I mean, this is America. So, I mean, usually it's in that order. Yes. It starts. It starts with the joint, then, oh, man, I really need some ice cream. Yes. Of course. So to say that is a bad thing, even if he did have drugs, how could that be negative? I don't understand. But this just goes to show you. Well, I'm looking. It's back to the black guy, drug dealer. That was the thing I caught from it, you know, by saying that. And I think one thing that we have, me and you have, is we have these deconstructionist eyes.

23:53 So it prevents us to see how the general public sees things sometimes. Yeah, we always have a prophylactic over our head. Right. It makes you eye roll. When I heard that, I was like, weed, my eyes roll. But I was like, hold on. I had to go back and look at it through the lens of the unwashed. Cointer phrase. Right. So moving forward, we're going to get into the shooter's bio. All right. Amber Geiger, a four-year veteran of the Dallas Police Force. This is a person who's been on patrol for four years. They have a pretty good idea of how to handle stressful situations at that point.

24:36 There is nothing to say the two neighbors had a relationship, but. on September 6th, after a more than 13-hour shift, Geiger, who was off-duty, arrived back to her Dallas apartment building, where she and John's lives would cross in the worst way possible. At that point, she could be running around from job to job. So that factors in here. Wait a minute, what did he say at the end that she was going from what? He said at that point, she could be running around from job to job. So I assume that he's making, you know, saying that she could be working off-duty jobs. Okay. That's how that's how I took it. It's what it sounded like. Yeah. So, but that's how I took it. But now they're laying out that she's seasoned.

25:17 She's a four-year, I'm saying four-year vet on the force. So she should know how to interact with these cases. So, like I said, they're still the news is not picking any sides here. They give you a little, they're giving a little red meat to both sides to keep you enthralled and entertained in the most nefarious sense of the word. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Keep you caught. It's disgusting. And this, of course, was views excessively with the OJ trial. I mean, this is the media knows this is a success formula.

26:02 Yes, all the way down to who the characters are. Now I have to ask this question: if it was a white woman shooting a white man, no press. If it was a black person shooting a black person, no press. Correct. But as we pointed out before, in the casting of this movie, everything is perfect. You gotta everything is everything is right down, right down to the cop being a woman. It couldn't get any better. Blonde woman. Oh, excuse me. Yes, perfect. Perfect. Academy Award. With the Germany-sounding last name. I mean, that matters. I mean, yeah, I didn't even think about that. Wow. What a valley girl first name, Amber.

26:47 You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In fact, if you had, you can't, if you wrote it this way, Hollywood would go, man, that's too blatant. That's that's no, no, that's unbelievable. It's so perfect. And yet, here we are. Here we are. And I, and, and I knew that the reason why I played that first clip, the very first clip, is how it was unsensitive. It was desensationalized. It was just straight to the point: this is what happened, you know, and we're going to go to trial. But once the mass mainstream media got a hold to it, it was like, this is too good to be true.

27:27 That's right. So now we're going back to the 911 call. Yes, I need both. 20 times on that 911 call, Geiger tells the dispatcher she thought the apartment was her own. At one point, saying she was tired. No, no. Okay, so now we hear her saying she's tired. She's tired. Is that what I heard? Yes, I'm tired. I'm not laughing, but I am like,

28:15 this is crazy. So we have to get to the point of asking, how in the hell do you not know you're not at your apartment? Right. That is the million-dollar question because you brought it up yourself. We all made mistakes, been distracted, you know. Yeah, I've tried to get into the wrong car. You know, that's happened, of course. You know, dumb stuff like that. Yeah. I was just about to say that. I was going to give that same analogy. My wife was sitting. I was, I was inside the store. My wife's sitting in an apart car waiting for me. And a woman comes and hops in the car.

28:56 What? And right. Because when you're distracted, you're distracted. Okay. So I think, okay. So she comes up to the door, and everybody makes a point that there's he had a huge red welcome Matt in front of his door. So you have to ask, how in the hell are you that distracted? Let the next clip explain to you how. Omar Villa Franca is at the courthouse in Dallas. Omar, what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the shooting, Amber Geiger was preoccupied talking. and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with.

29:38 And the jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. And she shoots Adam twice. At the start of Amber Geiger's trial, prosecutors argued the former Dallas police officer missed several opportunities to avoid the deadly confrontation with her neighbor, 26-year-old Botham John. And for her errors, for her omissions, both have paid the ultimate price. According to prosecutors, one of those errors was a romantic conversation Geiger was carrying on with her patrol partner. In the minutes before the shooting, Geiger and fellow officer Martin Rivera allegedly had a phone call and exchanged sexually explicit messages.

30:19 Ah, okay. So that's where it came from. I knew there was some romantic thing in there, but now I at least have the story according to the media. But did you catch how she was distracted? At the very beginning, no, I heard you ring the bell, but I missed it. It's right at the very beginning. Let me play it again. Hold on. Omar Via Franca is at the courthouse in Dallas. Omar, what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the shooting, Amber Geiger was preoccupied talking and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with. And the jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. Oh. Talking and on the phone. She's talking and texting. She's distracting while shooting.

31:04 Yes. You know, when I played this game, if someone's on the street, if they're holding their phone, I give myself one point. If they're on the phone, standing on the street, two points. If they're on the phone on the street walking, I get three points. If someone's driving while on the phone, five points. I think if you're killing people, it's got to be a free game. If you're on the phone and shooting people, you really win that game. Crazy. Okay. But that explains how, because we've all been distracted. I mean, we've all done it. But how do you get all the way to your house and not realize it's your house?

31:49 It's very easy if you're on your phone. Yes. Clickety clacking away at the keyboard. You know, especially if somebody's saying something very interesting to you, i.e., sexting, which what they were doing. Ooh, you know, and this could kind of explain her. Again, we didn't hear the 911 call in context. We heard it edited. But if I'm texting and all this comes down, I'm just playing, you know, the advocate of the devil. I'm texting. I'm doing all this. I walk in. Somehow something's messed up. The door's open. I'm carrying on an affair with one of my colleagues.

32:30 This is maybe where the immediate response, I'm going to lose my job or response, I'm going to lose my job, came from as she's putting it all together in her head. And I'm just making it up as I go along as to what I hear as the story unfolds. Okay, let's clear up the door thing so we just don't have to wonder about the door thing anymore because some people say that they heard her knock. Other people say that it was cracked open. What came out in the case was that the door was locked, but not latched. So she did put her key in. Oh, turned it and it opened. But it didn't turn, but it pushed open. Oh. Okay. So I said, perfect, perfect tragedy.

33:14 It's hard door had latched properly. She wouldn't have been able to get in. Right. But the fact that his door didn't latch, it just she put her key in. She still strike one for the black man. I'm sorry. You got to lock your door. Strike one. Right. You got to keep that door locked. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, but you being the OTG guy, I thought that would be very interesting to use. Well, it's the crux. Right now, the way you've presented it, it's the crux of the case.

33:54 Phones kill. Phones kill. End of story. But we can't let that get in the way of a good narrative. Hell no. Ratings. If you're in the right. If you, oh, bonehead woman shoots cop because she's sexting. I mean, that does have a nice ring to it, but you know, it's still not cooler than a white female cop shoots innocent black man eating a bowl of ice cream. I mean, we would just, it's the best. If we're trying to target, and I'm for the people out there, turn down your trigger knob. We're being loose with this because what we want to do is desensitize people to the over

34:39 abuse abuse, Mo. It's abuse. Yes, abuse. Abuse. The media is abusing you. That's exactly what's going on here. So, what we're going to do is we're going to be light with it because we don't want to add to that. We don't want to add to that. So we can see clear: this is easy, open shut case. Woman distracted, walked into it. Because if she's not distracted, if she's just tired, you say, that's not my couch. Right. That's not my chair. Right. Especially. Especially if you're looking at dick pics. Yeah, you're distracted. Right. And then some, you know, saying a black guy jumps up, like, hey, she's like, hey, you know,

35:19 pulls her gun, bang, dead. Because there's no way you can tell me she wasn't distracted and she walks into the environment unless you're going to say she assassinated him. Right. Well, it's that was it's interesting that the jury had already, I mean, this is where we're at the story. The jury knew this. The jury has the uh has the sexs, apparently. So now I don't know if a jury of her peers, which is the way we do it in the United States, if they consider what it's like to be distracted on the phone. Most people are distracted all the time because of their devices and don't even realize it.

36:04 That's a very good point. And we've seen people walk in the manholes. Yeah. We've seen people crashing the cars, walking in front of cars. You know, that pedestrian death rates are up 5% year over year with cars killing them. And since in the past 10 years, it's up 41% since 2008. And of course, phones are a part of that statistic. Right. So let's get it. Let's go on with the distractive narrative with Distracted 2. Whatever is on her mind after that conversation has consumed her attention entirely.

36:42 In the opening statement, the defense dismissed the prosecution's argument that Geiger should have realized she was on the wrong floor. In front of Botham's department is this extremely obvious, bright red floor mat. To say that she was aware there was a red doormat and knowingly ignored it because she wanted to go into 1478 and shoot this man is preposterous. Yeah, I love prosecutors and defense attorneys. They always paint the picture. So this goes to show you, and I think the real problem that she had was when she parked on the wrong floor.

37:23 I think that's where the distraction originally happened. Yeah. Because after that, you're in autopilot. So she was driving while sexting, too, obviously. Yes, yes. And they said that in the previous two clips that she was, yeah, she was just going at it. And I think that's how she ended up on the fourth floor instead of the third floor. And then, you know, all the floors are set up the same. So you're just going through your routine. Your memory. Yeah, your routine. Your muscle memory, sure. Yeah, your muscle memory. And that's how she ended up at the door. She assumed it was hers. The door, the lock should have stopped her, but it didn't. And then everything after that just snowballs.

38:07 But let's get into distracted three. Yeah, Doug, that revelation was this ongoing conversation between Ambro Geiger and her partner. This is evidence that the defense did not want jurors to see. Prosecutors say both officers deleted this conversation from their cell phones. And when asked why Geiger's partner said this wasn't something he wanted to be reminded of in the opening day of trial, Officer Amber Geiger saw her former partner take the stands. Would you send provocative photographs of yourself, Amber Geiger? Yes. Officer Martin Rivera testified about the racy messages they exchanged the day she shot and killed both of Jean.

38:47 Want to touch red one Geiger sent around 9:30 that night. 30 minutes later, she texted, I need you, hurry. And then I messed up. But using an expletive, their messages, prosecutors say she typed well on the phone with 911 reporting she'd shot Jean. Oh man, this just gets better. This is no longer a movie. This is a mini-series. Coming to lifetime or yeah, exactly. Yeah. So as you stated, she was, she was. was texting, distracted, and that's how she ended up.

39:31 But as you heard, she was even texting after she shot the man. Yeah. So, this is going to show you this people. Stay off your phone. Yeah, man. Stay off the phone. Wow. I mean, it's the life of death. And I don't want to oversimplify it or make it a phone issue, but this is how this thing can go really bad, really fast. So, but to go back, you said that the 911 thing about her, it being scripted, this leans lends more credence to that. Because I'm sure she texted her partner/slash lover. I effed up. He was like, hold on. You know,

40:16 and this is not atypical for law enforcement. You know, the minute something like this happens, you know that it's obviously you've killed another human being. Even if you don't kill someone, you draw fire, you draw your weapon, you fire on someone. There's a whole machine that starts to kick into gear. And we've also been conditioned through television. Hey, man, I got my unregistered weapon on my calf. We'll just plant that on the perp. We're conditioned to think that cops do the okay. I'm sorry. I'm ahead of the game again. No, wait. Do you have to take it and put it in his hand and fire off a shot? Oh, that's the best. Yeah, I mean, hey, Mo.

40:58 What are you, like a professional? Hey, man, you know how many law orders I've seen. This is how it goes. You got to get the gunpowder residue on his hands. That's right. That's right. But the point is, we're conditioned to already think that way. So even if I don't want to think that way, I can't help but think exactly what you said. She's distracted. The whole thing happens. She shoots him. And then she's with her partner. Oh, shit. What do I do? And he's like, okay, first thing you do is, you know, whatever he said, you know, don't touch it, turn around, jump in the air, and, you know, stand on one foot and call 9-1, whatever it is.

41:35 At that point, a process is already underway. Yes. And so let's get into the final distracted clip, distracted for prosecutors say Geiger overlooked multiple warning signs, including Jean's bright red doormat, that she was walking into the wrong apartment. But defense attorneys told the jury she was operating on autopilot and made an innocent mistake. But she's thinking, oh my God, there's an intruder in my apartment. And she's face to face with him. She's within 10 yards of him. And he starts approaching her. And she reacts like any police officer would who has a gun with confronting a burglary suspect.

42:20 A Geiger supervisor testified that when confronting a burglar like this, Dallas police officers are trained to do a tactical retreat and then to call for backup. But attorneys on both sides disagreed over whether that still applies when officers are off the clock. Doug? Andre, let's talk about a couple of things before you go. Prosecutors also brought up a phone conversation Geiger and her partner had. They said about three minutes or so before the shooting happened. Any idea what role prosecutors think this may have played in all of this? Yeah, Deb prosecutors say that phone conversation lasted about 16 minutes, far longer than their usual phone calls. And they even said that Amber Geiger pulled her car over while it was taking place.

43:02 Prosecutors suggested that something may have happened on that call that affected her mindset just minutes before the shooting. Her partner testified, though, that he didn't recall anything unusual. Oh, man. It just gets better. This is totally phone sex. Something happened. I know what happened. 16-minute phone conversation. You pull over to the side of the row, and then the guy's like, I don't know about no 16-minute phone conversation. Come on. Oh, brother. Yeah. He would have called. And what's sad about it is whatever's going on between them, she pulls over to be safe during this massive distraction that's taking place.

43:48 So she actually had whatever was going on. I have my thoughts. You know, was enough for her to pull over in that case. Oh, man. This is just a tragedy. It is all over. Yeah. So we're going back to the ABC movie trailer, aka the ABC News Backgrounder, Race Car 3. John's family left in anguish. She took my life away. Like my very own life. While the community grapples with unanswered questions. We're still dealing in a. in America with black people being killed in some of the most arbitrary ways, driving while black, walking while black, and now we have to add living while black

44:35 sparking protest over what some say is a lack of transparency coming from the Dallas Police Department in the wake of the shooting. Wow, I don't think it was him, but it almost sounded like Reverend Al there for a moment. It certainly was the kind of thing Reverend Al would say. That was the new Reverend Al, Benjamin Crump. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's Benjamin Crump from the Trayvon Martin case, Michael Brown case, the Tamir Rice case. So that was the guy. That's disgusting what he did there. Yeah, he knows it's his business. No, I know. I know it's his business. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

45:19 When you want to get the money, you got to come in. You got to put the leverage. Yeah. You get the protesters in the street. You heard them in the background. You get the weepy mother on the news. Oh, brother. And you come in with the we can't walk while black. We can't go with other drive while black. Now you can't eat ice cream while black. No, no, no, no. I mean, that's living while black. Living while black. That was genius. This is a new one. Right. So you can't even live. I mean, behind a locked door. I mean, which is true in a way, but this has, I don't think this case to this point, let me be clear, to this point, had very little to do with race up until where we're at in the story.

46:07 Let me preface that because it's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, okay. All right, let's review. Let's review for a second because right now it's distraction. A whole bunch of stuff happens. And this man winds up getting killed. Yes. But we have not heard at any point. There's been no evidence that it's a racial issue except until I just heard this guy. Yes. Which you, when you want to get the money, and that's his job. When Ben Crump comes in, he's there to get the money because he's not even with the prosecution. He's with the fan. He's the lawyer of the family on a civil trial, on a civil trial.

46:51 Okay, thank you. I was going to ask. So, you know, Sharpton has his, he has his foundation and which Sharpton's business model is kind of oldish. And which, you know, and Sharpton, of course, is a reverend. He's not a lawyer. So what he does is he goes and protests outside the company until they pay him to go away. In this case, this guy's an attorney and he's playing it up, but it's a civil suit. So he's looking at a multi-million dollar payday for the family, but really for him, based upon, which is just like the OJ case who was acquitted on the federal court and was convicted in civil court.

47:29 Yes. And that's what we're going through. And how this apparatus works, I believe, Crump gets on the phone with his Black Lives Matters people, get them to the streets, which that used to be Al Sharpen's job. Right. Before pre-internet, because you had to have that ground game. You got it. You got the system in place. You had to get everybody in boots on the ground. Right. So now it's just, and it's kind of like auto-reaction whenever, I mean, because the internet's just going to go into what it does once it starts trending. But you have to get it trending. You have to get notable people, i.e. Sean King, who we've heard on this show before.

48:10 These people are tweeting about it. It picks up steam. Then Crump swoops in and he gives the news clip. Hey, Moe remind me. What city did this happen in? Where did this take place again? This happened in Dallas. This happened in Dallas. Oh, that's right. Dallas. Okay. All right, good. Yes. So that's how this whole thing works. Now the race car has been played. So now we're going to get into police privilege. The thing that stands out the very most to me was the fact that when I listened to that call, not one time did I hear Emma Geiger say that she was in fear of her life. The Dallas Police Department was quick to respond, turning the case over to the state investigator, the Texas Rangers.

48:48 Thank you. In order for us to be truly transparent to this community based on the circumstances, we have invited the Texas Rangers to conduct this investigation. But it would be a few days before Geiger was identified and arrested for manslaughter. The family had many questions for the authorities. The main one being that this police officer should not be getting. given any preferential treatment. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's right. Because she's a cop, no preferential treatment. Right. Like, cops are not going to look out for cops.

49:31 And that's what the thing was: is that they didn't release her name and they didn't arrest her for days. She's killed a man. I mean, that's clear. Now, the motive behind it or reason behind it, but somebody's dead at the end of her gun. But the police department has kind of put that what they call the blue wall. Yeah, and that's for real. And there's understand, and I have understanding for some of that, which, you know, whenever this happens, line of duty or not. And I think it's a thin blue line. Was it like a TV show about that? Yes. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not what I haven't heard yet is if anyone spoke to her, if there was any

50:21 judicial contact with her. The way it sounds is: hey, you know, she just kind of disappeared into the woodwork while everything was shaken out and she was free to come and go as she wanted, despite the fact she obviously killed someone in cold blood. Right. She was allowed to do that for a few days before she was charged and arrested. Right. She was. So that goes to show the police privilege, which, like you said, does exist, but it exists in every, I guess, union, or I mean, unions are going to look out for themselves. Industries are going to look out for themselves.

50:57 And the police union is strong. Yes, very strong. Okay, so now we're still on the ABC backgrounder. Race card nine. As details of that night emerged, protest grew louder. Many demanding justice for Jean. This is a case that raises a lot of sensitive questions, and there's going to be enormous public interest. And consequently, there's more of a desire to get that evidence out faster. More than two months after the arrest and the initial charge of manslaughter, a grand jury indicted Geiger, who had since been fired on a murder charge.

51:37 It's possible the grand jury just decided on its own. It's more likely that the prosecutors played a role in moving this from manslaughter to murder. Hmm. Okay. Okay, so now we're picking up steam here. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Mo. Does at some point during this story, do we get like a and Soros pops up? Please, please tell me. No, no, sorry. I can't confirm nor deny Soros had any doings in this. But this is in this case. This is the new Soros sound effect. There he is.

52:18 Whenever Soros shows up. Okay. Yeah, Soros doesn't show up in this one. But what I would like to do is, now, the way police are viewed in this country by either economic status or racial divisions is totally different depending on which side of the which side you're looking at them from. So what I wanted to do is take, because this is where this is the crux of the problem. I think. Well, we're coming right down to what everything in the past, well, in a long time, actually, in the United States has been is the cops, you know, and then and since Kaepernick is on a, on even a global stage

53:07 with police brutality towards black people, that is, yes, you know, that is the narrative, and it's shit, man. I think it's generally accepted by most. So what I wanted to do is get into a little history. We all got to get a little history on the MoFax and Adam Curry show because that gives context. So let's get into history of police in America one. The police, here to serve and protect, recently facing scrutiny nationwide, regardless of an American institution. But they didn't just show up out of nowhere. Hey guys, I'm Olsa Salvatore for 8012. Today we're taking a look at how police came to be in America.

53:46 The colonies and eventually America itself relied on very loosely organized volunteer groups to handle things like finding lost kids and catching criminals. Basically, glorified neighborhood watches about as effective as Vince Vaughn's. This lasted until the mid-1800s. Inspired by the founding of the London Metropolitan Police Department, many American cities officially established their own, like the NYPD, established in 1845 with less than 200 staff. Within 25 years, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and LA would all have unified formal police departments. These quickly became cesspools for corruption since politicians would do all the hiring. If you didn't want to work with the guys in office, you were out.

54:22 LA went through 13 police chiefs in 10 years before 1889. Reform came between 1900 and 1930, thanks to a number of progressive investigations. Now, police were recruited and hired on merit, not on political connection. Hmm. Okay. That's a very, very high-energy, very abbreviated version of the history of the police in the United States. Where does it come from? Where is that from? That came from 8012 YouTube channel. Okay. So, yes, very, very abbreviated. But what I wanted to show is police in itself has an origin out of corruption.

55:03 Let's be clear. And from just from the history of it, but she's got clip two of this piece will clear that up a little bit. Police reform never stopped. It just took more of a philosophical turn. Like in the 60s, when police race relations came to the American forefront. And today, when many of those same issues are back in the national conversation, no surprise considering how much policing has grown. Remember that 200-man original NYPD? Today, it's about 35,000. Part of the most recent national data available, counting more than 1.1 million state and local police employed in America. Now you know from AD12. You know, I need to disclose some bias I have in this mo.

55:45 Yes, please. During the 80s and 90s, working at MTV and in New York, every year, Joan Jett and I would visit the orphans and widows of the NYPD for Christmas. And so these were orphans and widows of officers who were widows and widowers who were killed in the line of duty. So I do know some of this from both sides. I know a lot of people in firefighters, EMTs, and I am amazed personally at how they don't become incredibly jaded

56:28 in many ways. Because they have a shit job. And they're getting, well, and this was. I guess it's all as long as I've really been aware of this. There's always been pushback and, you know, my God, are you just shooting black people? But also, I hear how cops talk about people, you know, when they're not on camera. And it's a challenging mental occupation for sure. It's almost like being in the military. You know, it's like when I mean, I was in Iraq, and when you hear Marines talking about them damn ragheads, towel heads, it's shocking, right?

57:09 But go sit there for, I was there for 10 days and I was like, holy crap, this is hell. You know, so it's very hard to place yourself in someone else's shoes in general, anytime, anywhere. It's just, I need to just say, I mean, I have some bias because I got, I understand a little bit from what I've experienced from the other side. Okay. So here's the weird problem with policing and black America. If something goes wrong, who do we call? The police. Yeah. So that's understood. The problem is, okay, say for instance, just for sake of argument, if I'm a racist white person, right?

57:54 What job could I get where I could harass people that I don't like legally? A pool guard. Like Joe Biden? Right. Right. Popcorn. Okay. Corn pop. Yeah. But what I'm saying is. Mr. Williams. Yeah, exactly. Your S-Esther. That's it. S. Esther. So what I'm saying is you have these people, these bad actors embed themselves into the police department because they know this gives me access to go into these communities and be a bad actor.

58:37 And I can hide under the protection of the blue. Yeah, and that I think is pretty farcical. I can see how someone on the force gets very jaded and mentally twisted just because of the job. But no, what I'm saying is coming into it. No, I understand. So I've got a doubt that that's. I don't know. It's, I certainly understand the thinking, and we're set up to think that way, no doubt. That this is where we get into the two perspectives. Now, do I think all cops are bad?

59:18 No, do I think all dogs are bad? No, but I don't like dogs because of the fact I can get bitten by one. I'm just being honest with you. So, whenever I see a dog, people say, Oh, that's my dog. He won't bite you. No, he won't bite you. Dogs. Careful now. You understand what I'm saying? Of course, I do. It's like, of course, I do. It's a natural fear. And I'm going to say, and the reason why we're having this conversation is because I'm going to go and dig out where that fear comes from.

59:58 Nice. Now, once we get there, it's like digging a blackhead out. We got to get the pit out. You know, we got to get it out. And then we can understand each other's perspective. Like I said, if somebody breaks into my house right now, I'm going to pick up the phone, call 911. That's the natural reaction because my tax pay dollars pay for them to provide the service to me that they provide. And I won't be thinking, oh, I don't want to call 911 because they're going to shoot me. You know, I mean, that's not, but, and I want to be, let's just have, well, hold on. Let me ask you the question. Okay. Okay. So now, so your house is broken into by a black guy.

1:00:39 You want to, you want to call your protective force that you're paying for. At any point, do you think, holy shit, they might go after the wrong black guy in the moment? I won't be thinking about that. Okay. It's like I said, it's a weighing of threat. The guy breaking into my house is a way far the higher threat than the police. Subconscious, and I want to call it fear, awareness of what could go wrong. Right. But what you have is, as we always talk about, with the media doing what they've done, what we illustrated in all these clips previous, stoking the fire when you have the talk going wrong of,

1:01:28 you know, that's what I'm saying. That's why we do this. Because it's not, you have a totally different perspective of police because you didn't have the talk go wrong with you. No. You didn't have a mother like we had, I think, show two or three saying you could die at any moment. No, of course not. In fact, my mom, the talk we had, and I'm older than you, so it may have changed with half a generation. The talk I had, my mom said, if you ever have a problem, if you're lost or you don't feel safe, look for a police officer and go up to them. That is the talk I received as a white man in America.

1:02:06 Well, it's the complete opposite for most cases because most black people would say, go the other way if you see police. That's so sad. And it's not, it's not that it's okay. When you do the averages, it's like, okay, what is the percent chance that this could go wrong? Maybe 5%, 3%. But it's like I think. If I listen to the media, no, you said you just said 5%. I'd be thinking, no, much higher than that. That's my perception. Right. Because I'm able to put things in perspective. Now, I'm not one of those people like, oh, they'll never happen. You know, I mean, I'm not that guy either.

1:02:45 Because I know I live in reality. Right. And these things can happen. Just to make, and we don't want to draw this out too much, but, and we're going to get into the next clip. But blue lights in our rearview mirror trigger something to us. Yeah. I'm talking about a gut physical reaction. I mean, you're, and, and like I said, I live in a reality. I don't live in a hyper fear mode, uh, but I had to be aware of this. I'm like, hold on, I'm not speeding. My license is a straight. You know, I mean, my car, you know, I'm not breaking any laws, but just the natural gut reaction. So what we're going to find out where that comes from. And this is from the stimulator YouTube channel.

1:03:30 It's super woke, super woke alert. But I had to preface that. But slave patrols, the birth of modern police. To understand slave patrols, it's important to understand the slow development of the state intervention in maintaining slave society, beginning with simply passing laws that would restrict the activities of the slaves and then laws on their own being insufficient, authorized. authorizing any adult white man to enforce those laws, but then the reliance on individual action proving insufficient, forming into this body called the slave patrols that were an offshoot of the militia and worked as kind of a voluntary compulsory organization, meaning the

1:04:16 participation was mandatory, but it wasn't a professional outfit. That provided a way of making the entire white male population directly involved in maintaining slave society. As industrialization came to the South and there were larger slave populations in southern cities, the slave patrols moved similarly into the city. And there they became professionalized and very quickly their duties expanded and they became a body that we would immediately recognize as a modern police force. And when was this? The slave patrols was Jim Crow era? Is that the idea? Or before? No, this is pre-Civil War. Oh, okay. Okay. Gotcha. This was pre-Civil War when slavery still existed.

1:04:57 So that was just some background of there is a school of thought, and Colin Kaepernick and even Jamal Hill, she got into trouble behind this from ESPN Fame that police came from slave patrols. Now, that's a far stretch, but when you look at the formation of the KKK post Civil War, I mean, post-Civil War, and then the infiltration of Southern, we're speaking about Southern here, Southern police departments of the KKK.

1:05:44 When you look at Bull Connor, when you watch civil rights films, you see police dogs being sick. All this is psychological. Oh, how about black Klansmen? Right. Correct. So when you see fire hoses being sprayed on people, when you see billy clubs being used on people, and then, you know, you factor that into this narrative, you can see why it's not a far leap. Oh, absolutely. And when we have many people, leaders in many communities who witnessed that themselves, Elijah Cummings comes to mind, you know, where there's actual footage of stuff that happened as far as I know.

1:06:27 And I can't discredit anything he was a part of or wasn't a part of, just him constantly reminding people. Yeah, I mean, I'm aware of that. Sure. And every time they speak, they always speak about the Billy Club going across their head and their brains almost getting knocked loose. So, I mean, they keep this perpetuation alive. Now, we got one more clip on the slave patrol alive and well in America. Slave patrol regulations for Rowan County, North Carolina, 1825. First, patrols shall be appointed, at least four in each captain's district. Second, it shall be their duty for two of their number at least to patrol their respective districts once and every week.

1:07:09 In failure thereof, they shall be subjected to the penalties prescribed by law. Third, they shall have power to inflict corporal punishment if two be present agreeing thereto. Fourth, one patroller shall have power to seize any Negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller or otherwise unlawfully or suspiciously and hold such slave in custody until he can bring together a requisite number of patrollers to act in the business. Fifth, previous to entering on their duties, patrols shall call on some acting magistrate and take the following oath. To wit, I, AB, appointed one of the patrollers by the county court of Rowan for Company B's company, do hereby swear that I will faithfully execute the duties of a patroller to the best of my ability according to law and the regulations of the county court.

1:08:00 The National Humanities Center has many other similar reports in its archives. Slave patrols were a regular feature of the South from its first settlement by slave-owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction. When slavery was abolished, but whites in the South still wanted to keep blacks in their place, the slave patrols were largely replaced by, or simply renamed as, the KKK and small town sheriffs. Yeah, this is Thom Hartman, I think. Yes, this is from the big picture RT. Yeah, I don't like him. I've never liked him. He's a problematic.

1:08:42 Yeah, yeah, he's super woke as well. Yeah. So what is the, since we've been covering the history of police, this for the last four clips, what is the commonality between all? four of these clips? Well, they're presuming that all the cops are white. No, all the presenters are white. Oh, I'm so in. Yeah. Well, hello. I did that for a reason. Are you tricking me again, Mo? No, I'm not tricking you. What I'm saying is, that's a good point. Right. They have no perspective, or they have a perspective, but it's only one.

1:09:27 Yeah. But if I'm thinking, hey, this is nah, that's a conspiracy, or maybe I'm reading too much into this. And I click on, I start watching these videos, and it wasn't hard to find. Once I Google one, you know, this, you know, your suggestions, like one after the other, after the other, you get into that, you know, into that rabbit hole. This is how you come up with the woke anti-police narrative. Well, that only confirms the bias that you have. Yes. Well, interesting in general, and I don't know if that's because you're Mo and Mo facts of research.

1:10:12 You asked me, you know, what was the comment? I didn't think of that for a second, that they were all white. That would never have crossed my mind. No, the reason why I said that is it just leaves credence to if I'm leaning that way, that just wrapped it up for me. Oh, yeah. See, even white people, even white people think so. Shit. Yes. Good catch. So, all right. So going back to the, I just wanted to get us to how you have, as we said before, you have the two sides watching this ABC special, seven-minute special, and they're picking sides. This is how the two sides are formulated. You have one side that are pro-police because they look at police, like you said, is if you're ever in trouble, that's where you go to.

1:10:58 And then you have the other side that are just like, eh, I don't know. Right. So this is how the two sides are formulated. So, but fast forward back to the case. Thank God we don't have to worry about that because the sheriff of Dallas is a black woman. Right. Renee Hall. The judge in the case was Miss Tammy Kemp. And let's listen to the makeup of the jury. We did get our chance, by the way, to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in the courtroom today. So here's what we know. We got eight women, four men on the 12-person jury. Five of them are black, four Hispanic, two people are white, one person of Asian descent.

1:11:38 There are also four alternates. All of those are women. All of them are sequestered now for the length of this trial. Okay. So we got the jury. And when I say we, I'm being somewhat facetious, but it's like, okay, we got the judge. We got the sheriff. We got the jury. What could possibly go wrong from here? Well, we get right. It's like, okay, but there is some reluctancy because it's like, we've seen this story before. It's like you're saying Lucy with the football. So it's still some angst there. Because like, man, we've seen people get out before.

1:12:19 We saw the Rotney King case. They had video beating this man in the street and these guys still got off. So there is their angst there. But let's hear the verdict of the case. We're breaking news out of Dallas, Texas, right now. A jury has just found a former Dallas police officer guilty on murder charges. Remember Amber Geiger? She was charged last year after shooting and killing her unarmed neighbor. Ed Lavendera is outside the courthouse with the very latest. Ed, this just happened. Fill us in. Well, we'll let you see how it unfolded inside this courtroom here in Dallas just moments ago as the judge read the verdict against Amber Geiger.

1:13:04 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. The jury having reached a verdict, Miss Geiger and your team, would you please stay in? We, the jury, unanimously find the defendant, Amber Geiger, guilty of murder as charged in the indictment. No outburst. You could hear the gaps there inside the courtroom as the verdict was announced. Botham, John's family, the 26-year-old accountant who was murdered by Amber Geiger about a year ago, were inside that courtroom. They've been wearing red every day of coming to trial here. That was Botham Jean's favorite color.

1:13:45 Amber Geiger's family also inside that courtroom outside the courtroom. courtroom. You can see the heavy security presence here at the courthouse. You have to go through a second layer of security to get to get to the courtroom that is at the end of the hallway. You could hear cheering outside that courtroom just shortly after that verdict was read here. Well, this is interesting. A murder verdict is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. And she said she wanted to kill him. Oh, she said that. She was shooting to kill. Ah, okay. That's pretty damn premeditated.

1:14:28 Yeah, so she was shooting to kill. Now you're saying the reasoning behind that was it because she thought she was actually in her own apartment. Well, premeditated is open for interpretation in this case. But if she said, if she said, I was shooting to kill, yeah, that's not just shit. That's a tough one. But yeah, okay, I'm listening. So you heard the courtroom when they read the verdict, people celebrated. It's like, yes. Yes. I mean, because we saw this with the OJ case in reverse. Yep. So. And I was living in New York

1:15:08 when this happened. And I remember when the verdict came in, I mean, it rippled through the entire city, man. It was in the buildings. Everyone was talking about it. There was, you know, there was outrage. There was all kinds of emotions. Just this is the only description I can give it rippling, like, you know, from the TV all through the city. So that was 95, I could think, correct? I think so, yeah. So, what, 20 years later? Well, most people think he's guilty now. Yeah, I have my own thing. I have my own. We're not going to get into the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:49 We're not going to get into the case. Of course, I'm just telling you how things change. Of course, of course. In my community in 95, OJ being innocent, the juice was loose. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he got off. Woo, yo. Yeah, but now, but now 20 years later, like, screw that guy. Get off of that. Did you ask any black person? And you know what? You know why that is? No. Because he says, I'm not black. I'm OJ. Ooh. He was canceled. Big time. Canceled. It's funny that that becomes his most egregious mistake is to say that. Yeah, that's interesting.

1:16:29 And that's why they were able to make that, what is it, FX show that kind of rewrote history or wrote it correctly. I don't care. I mean, however, you see it. I mean, I don't really get into it. Like I said, we have to view things like they are. These are sporting events. Yeah. This is like the Super Bowl or whatever else to the network. Yes. And they get people all, you know, I'm a cowboy. I'm a red skin. You know, no, you're not. You're out of shape guys sitting on the couch drinking a beer. What are you talking about? I mean, me included. I mean, what I'm saying. I mean, me included. I mean, I'm not actually on the team, but it's the same manipulation.

1:17:12 So done for enormous profit in the sports world. But yeah, of course it's manipulation. And done for the same way here, enormous profits. I like to see how many clicks this case got or how many, you know, that's why I said when I started to show off, I said that made it through the social, you know, manipulation because you can avoid this conversation anywhere. And it was just like, oh, God. You're sitting out to the lunch table and it was like, that's what people were talking about. You go online. That's what people were talking about. Even for even more reason, as we're going to see.

1:17:52 So, okay, she's found guilty. So it's like, it's a huge win. It's like, yes, we got her. So let's listen to Benjamin Crump talk about the verdict. Ben Crump, when the verdict came down, most of us were surprised that she was found guilty. And that's pathetic. Tom, it's unbelievable. My co-counselors, Darrell Washington, Lee Merritt, and I, we counted the night before how many commentators, how many of these white lawyers who would be saying the totally opposite thing had

1:18:33 both of them went into the wrong apartment and killed Amber Geiger. But they all said there is no way you're going to get a murder conviction on this case. In fact, most of them. of them said she was gonna walk. So it is so bittersweet this morning that we can come, Tom and Silver, and talk about how when we have people show up for jury duty, because we had a diverse jury, that we can get equal justice under the law. And what a good feeling it is for the family and for so many other who prayed for justice. Tom and Silver prayed that this woman wouldn't get away with this because what message would they have sent to the world?

1:19:17 Where would black people be safe in America from not being killed by police? Fuck this guy. That's Ben Crump. That's the same guy. Ellen Cow that you irked you from before. And he's talking to your guy. He's talking. You know, that's your guy. Yeah. Tom Joyner. It's my guy. My guy. Hey, you already set me straight on Tom Joyner. He's my ex-guy. He's no longer in the club. Wow. Well, but that's also. I mean, I mean, you just see what he said. This is black radio. It's early in the morning. That's right. And like I said, that's a whole nother.

1:19:59 I want to go back to one thing. I rang the bell on the previous clip, and they said that red was his favorite color. He had the red doormat. Doormat. I'm about theremin, please. Whoa, what's going on, Moe? All right, theremin is playing. I'm not going to harp on this much, but Hermetic Theater. Hermetic Theater? Yes. Not familiar. It's where they say, like, numerology is important in these cases and color coding.

1:20:41 Now, I'm going way out there, but this is for the this is for the for my people in the back. Um, everything she wore was blue. Oh, God. All her dresses were blue on the other side. Um, everything was red. I'm just gonna leave that where it's I'm gonna leave that where it's at. But just that's, I just wanted to say that for the people that know what I'm talking about. And that goes back to the Masonic houses and we Illuminati kind of stuff. But is this also a Bloods and Crips color thing, or is that just my Democrat or Republican? Well, obviously, I mean, there's a lot of red and blue stuff. Oh, so yeah, nice to throw that in there.

1:21:22 Yeah, that's nice. I just thought that was weird. All we need is a number 33 to pop up, and I'm convinced. Right. So I always knew why she was wearing blue on just on the level because it's like she's trying to identify as police. Every dress she wore was blue. Every picture in court, I've looked every, I mean, say if there's other pictures, people please share them with me. But she was signaling that it was blue. And that's going to be important these next few clips. So I love you, Mo. This is good. Just when I thought of it, we were done.

1:22:04 No, no, no. There's more. No, no, no, no, no. Benjamin Crump, verdict two. Let's talk about conviction and the time that he's going to be, that she's going to get for the murder conviction. How much time can she get? What's the maximum? She can get up to 99 years in prison, literally. In fact, nobody thinks this is going to happen. They could put in for the death penalty, but because this is Texas where they kill more people, especially black and brown people, than anywhere else in America. But she can get from five years to 99 years. It's all up to the jury, or they can do a downward departure as well, Tom.

1:22:49 However, I look at this jury and the composition of this jury. And I believe with the prosecutor bringing out about her Facebook post that could arguably be considered racist in many regards, that this jury is not going to let these intellectual justifications stop them from returning a verdict that is appropriate in this unjustified killing of this unarmed black man eating ice cream on his couch in his apartment where he had every legal right to be. Oh, nice. Let's bring in a little racism and let's kill her. Death penalty.

1:23:34 Yep. You got to stoke that flame. So now he brought up the makeup of the jury. And by saying, with this makeup of the jury, I'm sorry, let me just stop you for a second. I live in Texas. I don't like killing anything. I don't hunt. But the obsession we have in the United States with killing, I think that we should definitely have capital punishment, but we should televise it. We should put it on TV so everybody can see it and not just this, oh, let's kill her, let's kill him, death penalty. You know, it can't just be happening in secret. So I'm not against this. And I can understand if something happened to someone I love, how I would feel about it.

1:24:18 And living in Texas, I would probably be caught. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, no, no. Put a marker in that statement that you just said. You remember how you would feel. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I want you to remember that. Of course. Remember that. Okay. So you can finish your thought if you want to, but you know what I was saying. I'm good. Yes. Okay. So now I want you to do two things for me: play the jury makeup again, and then go right into the ex-Dallas officer sentenced. We did get our chance, by the way, to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in the courtroom today.

1:24:59 So here's what we know: we got eight women, four men on the 12-person jury. Five of them are black, four Hispanic, two people are white, one person of Asian descent. There are also four alternates. All of those are women. All of them are sequestered now for the length of this trial. A jury has sentenced former Dallas police officer Amber Geiger to 10 years in prison. She was convicted of murdering her unarmed neighbor, Botham John, in his own apartment. Omar Villa Franca reports from Dallas. The same jury that convicted former police officer Amber Geiger of murder has now decided her sentence. We, the jury, find unanimously that the defendant did not cause the death of Botham John while under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from inadequate costs and assess the defendant's punishment at 10 years' imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

1:25:53 Geiger faced between five years and life behind bars for killing her neighbor, 26-year-old Botham John. Sounds like we had some compassion from the female members of the jury. 10 years for murder. You're talking about a huge kick in the balls. Yeah. Now I'm speaking from one perspective now. You talk about a huge kick in the balls. A guy shot dead, eating ice cream in his apartment, and the lady gets 10 years. Oh, and Mo. If it was my son who got killed, honestly, and just hypothetically speaking, I'd be waiting for her to come out of jail after 10 years. I can understand that. I think you'd do the same.

1:26:38 Remember these things that you're saying because, all right. Okay, go on to outrage after Amber Geiger. There is no peace and no justice. It should have been 25 to 99. The rage was immediate in the crowd watching the murder trial. How many of us is it going to take before you understand that our lives matter? Rage at a sentence of just 10 years. 10 years? 10 years of fucking life. But then, minutes later, Botham John's mother stepped up to the microphone wanting to talk about more than just the sentence. The corruption that we saw during this process must stop.

1:27:21 And it must stop for you. Because after now, I leave Dallas. But you live in Dallas. And it must stop for everyone. Allow me to nuance what I said. If it was my son, that's how I'd feel. And what happened here is justice took place. I wasn't in the court. The jury seems pretty balanced. It doesn't make none of this. It's a tragedy. None of it makes anything right. Shit, man. This is tough. This is very tough. There's one piece of evidence. Missing.

1:28:03 And I left it out. You bastard. So we can go back. All right. So you remember the mom in the original clip? She's like, I want love to go through the process and the love and the love and the love. Right? Now she's like, oh, it's the corruption. You know. That's interesting. All right. So Brant John is Botham's brother. And in between the guilty verdict and the sentencing, they allow. allowed the family to give what they call impact statements. Yeah, where you get to address your

1:28:41 you get to address the killer or whatever it is, right? Let's listen to John Brandt, and he's, I'm gonna say this: he's what he says is representative of how the whole Brand John family felt about the case. I can speak for myself. I forgive you, and I know if you go to God and ask Him, He will forgive you. And I don't think anyone could say it again. I'm speaking for myself, not even bad for my family.

1:29:25 But I love you just like anyone else. And I'm not gonna say I hope you rot and die just like my brother did, but I see. I personally want the best for you. And I wasn't gonna ever say this in front of my family or anyone, but I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you. I don't know if this is possible, but can I give her a hug, please? No,

1:30:11 please. Wow. I didn't hear about this. And he got killed for this. I bet he did. This man said, I don't want you to go to jail. I want the best for you. Can I hug her, please? Wow. Disgusting. And the reason why I say that is I can't, I'm not saying people can't be forgiving, but this factored into the sentencing. Oh, wait a minute. So, okay, so this is pre-sentencing. Pre-sentencing. Whoa. Well, corruption from her own family.

1:30:56 Why would that be, Adam? I'm afraid to say anything at this point. I'll say it for you. Okay. Ben Crump. What did I say he does? Yeah. He brings, he makes it rain. He does. Part of that deal is we can't have an uprising in the streets. Can't have a bloodlust. Because we've seen that. I mean, that kind of what factored into the Ferguson. Sure. When the father got up there and said, you know, we won't have any peace.

1:31:35 You know, he was kind of like, you know, no, I want to say insight and riot, but I mean, he had the same visceral action that you had. And I mean, you were speaking hypothetically, and he was speaking really from the heart. Yeah. So that's, and this is not the only case where you've seen this. We've seen this over and over. Okay, let me just understand what you're saying. So you're saying that Ben Crump, that's where the deal was cut. Ben Crump says, okay, we're not going away. We need to get paid. And this has to lead to a conviction. Now, how that works inside a jury and corrupting a jury, I don't know.

1:32:16 I don't even want to go there. It doesn't. It doesn't. But it's like, we need to get paid, but we're also going to temper everybody so they don't go too crazy. Is that the idea? So we don't have riots in the streets. So this Ben Crump works for all sides. Exactly. That guy's evil. Boulevard, no, no, no. I didn't have a sound effect for Boule. Wow. Yes. That's how it works. There it is. Shoot. You got me. You got me. This is how it works. You talk tough. You go on the radio. Oh, the death penalty. But now I'm

1:33:02 speculating here. But we've seen this over and over and over again. The family comes out. Oh, we love him and we forgive. And I mean, immediately, it's not like you had, you know, let me see him sitting in jail for, you know, for a few years. Let me recalibrate how I feel. No, no, no, no, no. He got up on the stand and says, I don't want to see you go to jail and then beg. to hug her. The woman that shot and killed your brother. That's pretty. I think he oversold it. You saw those M's come your way. For the people who don't know what M's are, those are the millions. You saw the M's come your way.

1:33:47 Rax, right? Make it rain. Oh, he's like, I'm going to get up here. And he got up there. And I think, like he said, he didn't plan to say that. He just overplayed. Yeah. Okay. So let's go to Botham John's brother cleanup. Well, at the time I didn't know the cameras were on. After the sentencing, I saw Amber's family leave the room and along with Amber. And we left and came back. Upon coming back, I didn't think any cameras would be on. I thought it was over because we have the conviction, we have the sentencing. And I was asked to

1:34:30 they asked all of us, any of us who wanted to do the bigger impact statement. And that's when I came up and I said, I'll do it. And then I was called not knowing the attention it would get, but I did it. I said what I had to say. I meant what I said. And I thank God that I got the courage to say it. It's important to note that, and Bran has told me before, that two minutes before he gave the impact statement, he wasn't giving any statement. And then two minutes later, he was in the witness box speaking his heart to the person who murdered his brother.

1:35:14 It showed incredible bravery, but it wasn't something done for show. And I think that's the reason it's connected so well all over the country. Wow. Where did that come from? Where'd you get that? That was post the sentencing. I think a few days later, they had a press conference. And that was the other lawyer of the family speaking. He was the local lawyer that they got. And then Crump swoops in. I mean, this is how things happen. You have your local affiliate, and then you have, you know, the big man come in and he works his magic. Where's this song? Where's this family from originally? I can't place the accent. It's like Creole. Is it like... No, I think it's Haiti. I don't want to say Haiti. They said Saint something.

1:35:56 St. Lucia. Yeah, St. Lucia. That's it. That's it. All right. Okay. So once he said that, I forgive you. And like I said, his sentiments were represented of the family because the father got up there and said, oh, I want to be your friend. And oh man, it was disgusting. But I just let his work because he was the most egregious. And the internet killed him. I mean, actually, literally, they want to kill him because they looked at like you. He was the C-word. Okay, I'm going to say it. That is by definition of the word cooning at its finest.

1:36:37 Yeah, we've talked it. We've talked about this. Yes, C-O-O-N, for the people who don't know, cooning. Yes, you get your brother is killed cold blood. And you get up to say, oh, I love you. And I don't want to see you. And I want to hug you. Please. Ask the judge, can you hug? What kind of so? Are you insinuating here that Crump said M's are coming? Racks and stacks are going to make it rain. Chill. Yes. Jeez. And the family went there. You can't talk crack because if he gets up there and said, I want to see you burn. Like, I wanted to get this clip, but Samuel Jackson and Tom to kill. Yeah, I did it. And I hope they burn hell. I mean, that's what you. Yeah. Yeah.

1:37:22 If you do that, the streets can explode. No kidding. And so it's like, hey, you know, I mean, I think there's a wink and a nod, nah, there. You know, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, hold, walk it back, you know. Well, no, but now I'm giving myself some pause. Okay. So I'm putting myself in this in the family in the same situation. And this is what I'm told. It's like, okay, you can go, we can rant and rave and we can get all, you know, upset. He's not coming back, but here's the alternative if we do X, Y, and Z. And these people are distraught. And you've got a Crump talking.

1:38:02 You're saying right or wrong. Yeah, I'm saying you got to. Well, I'm just trying to play it out. And you got a Crump talking in your ear saying, okay, you know, this is exactly what he would say. Look, he's not coming back. But, you know, here's $10 million or whatever the number is. And I'm going to get this for you, but here's how we have to do it. Yes, we have to live on for Botham. Jeez. I'm not. know how that conversation goes. I know how it goes. I'm like, you know, he's not here anymore, but you know, we can do great things. You know, what would Botham want? And you heard that a lot with everybody. What would Bo want?

1:38:40 Yeah. Live like Bo. I think the hashtag was like live like Bo or something like that. There was a hat, they had t-shirts with hashtags on them and the crest red t-shirts, red, red, red t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah, with some kind of weird, go look at the pictures, y'all. Some kind of weird pyramid shape on it. I'm just saying. You know, you've, I'm just telling you. This turn in the show has made me sad in many ways. Oh, it gets worse. I'm sorry to tell you, but okay. Okay. So it ain't no happy ending to this one. Oh, I'm sorry, folks. So, Brant John wasn't the only one accused of cooning.

1:39:23 Let's listen to this: it is TD Hip Hop Media on YouTube. When she got down from the bench and gave Amber Geiger a hug after the 10-year sentencing, goes to show how scared the judge actually was for her livelihood as it pertains to remaining a judge. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, nor the hand that protects you. Now, let's get into the conversation at hand, or I should say the topic at hand, and that's about the Amber Geiger trial. Now, I'm not going to beat a dead horse with this one, but I do want to talk about something that I have not heard a lot of people talk about already, and it's something that you may not know.

1:40:08 In regards to, we'll say, putting context to why the actions of the judge and the black police officer in the courtroom during the Amber Geiger trial was the way it was. Why it was so buffoonish and nonsensical, watching the judge hug Amber Geiger after being sentenced to 10 years and after being found guilty for murder. You see the black female police officer fixing the hair of Amber Geiger. This was all very strange and nonsensical and buffoonish and left a lot of us wondering what in the world is actually going on here.

1:40:45 Now, TD, this is only on YouTube, TD Hip Hop Media. Yes. Yes. Well, they're doing a great job in following what the mainstream does is just making hay out of dead people. So let me put some context in what he's talking about there. So after the sentencing, Miss Tammy, and this is what they're calling her now: Tammy, the Mammy Kemp, comes down. I'm being serious. These people are hated in the quote-unquote community. This is the judge? The judge, the black judge, the one we're counting on. Bring it home, Tammy. She doesn't do sentences. She doesn't do sentencing. Oh, God. No, wait till I tell you what she does do.

1:41:29 Okay. She comes out of this off the stand, hugs the shooter, the convicted shooter, and gives her her personal Bible, her personal Bible. Huh. Let me give you some perspective to personal Bibles and Black people inside baseball. Giving your personal Bible, that's kind of like something you do giving to another family member. You know, like, you know, your grandma gave you like child unref in this Bible for so many years. Right, right. I have a personal Bible and I ain't giving it to anybody. Right. The judge comes off the stand.

1:42:13 The blue judge, the blue judge comes off the stand. Hold on. And she ain't the only one. There's an unnamed cop. I couldn't find her name. When she was convicted, found guilty. The black woman comes over to her and strokes her hair like she's a small little child, combing her fingers through her hair, consoling her. The blue bailiff. The blue bailiff. This ain't black and white, bro. This is red and blue. This is blue. This is police. Yes, sir.

1:43:00 And that's what I'm saying. It's just like, even, and like I said, we didn't want Tammy to do anything illegal to tilt the trial. We didn't want, you know, saying we don't, but when you see people put in places, you got the conviction. And then the family does this. It's like, I'm going to tell you what it is. It's something that you would say. It's a bit nothing burger. I've never said that. What are you talking about? I would never use a Van Jones term ever. You bastard mom. I thought I would like the movie. I didn't want to get too happy. Hey, Kate, you saved it an hour and 43 minutes and you got me.

1:43:40 Very good. You brought out the nothing. You had to do the nothing burger on me. All right. I'll never live it down. I thought it was perfect time. You're very well. I'm not to get too handy, but it's just that. This is where this is where people would feel like, man, you get the conviction. The lady says she meant to kill the man, and then you get 10 years' sentence. And like I said, it can't be that. Oh, one question on the timing. Did the judge come down and hug her and give her a personal Bible after the verdict or after the conviction? After the sentencing. After the sentencing. Wow. Yes. Wow.

1:44:21 And like I said, you had to look at this in real time. This happened like in a 48-hour span. And this is why this is a huge kick in the nuts to the black people that were invested in this story. And this is why I said I don't get invested in these stories because it's like you get the conviction. You heard the joy of the Ben Crump and Tom Joyner. Yeah, we did it. Yeah, we got her. And like he's talking 99 years, death penalty. It's like, oh man, we got this rap in the bag. And it's like, then you get the brother go up there doing the sentencing and it's all over YouTube. It's like, oh, man, can you hear this clown? And then you have the lady bailiff consoling the shooter.

1:45:06 I mean, like, like you would do a small child, like rubbing her. And it's the imagery. I mean, that's just gotta go to colorism. That's just, but it's inappropriate in any case, in any color, it's inappropriate for officers of the court to conduct themselves that way. Fucking talk about what we talked about, what colorism. This is where this plays in. You have a very dark-skinned bailiff consoling a blonde-haired white woman that's just been found guilty of murder. The imagery. I'm not, like I said, I don't, I'm talking about what it looks like.

1:45:44 It looks messed up, is what it looks like. And then you have Tammy come off her stand and say, here, child, here's my Bible. I want you to read from every day. And then the lady gets 10 years. But wait, there's more. No, no, no. I can't handle more. Key witness. There is a murder mystery in Dallas tonight. A witness in the trial of former police officer Amber Geiger was shot and killed Friday night. Joshua Brown's death comes 10 days after he gave key testimony in that case. Here's Meg Oliver. Dallas police say 27-year-old Joshua Brown suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was found lying on the ground in the parking lot of his apartment Friday night.

1:46:33 Brown used to live in the same apartment complex as former Dallas police officer Amber Geiger and her victim. He was just across the hall from Botham Jean that night in September 2018 when Geiger said she mistakenly walked into Jean's apartment and shot him with her service weapon. Just last week, Brown told a jury he heard the interaction between Geiger and Jean followed by gunshots. Did you tell one of the voices was giving loud commands like stop police or anything of that nature? Yeah, but no, that wasn't. That wasn't what they were saying. I have my gun pointed and I'm saying, let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Geiger was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

1:47:19 Dallas police are still searching for a suspect and a motive. Several witnesses say they saw a silver four-door sedan speed away from the apartment complex. The Dallas County prosecutor called Brown's testimony brave and said that he came forward to testify, Elaine, when others wouldn't. Still so many unanswered questions. Meg, thank you. Oh my God. So you know that true crime is one of the most popular podcast categories right now. You've basically taken us to the top of iTunes as far as I'm concerned. Because you can look at this many ways, but this kind of turns everything on its head at the very end. Leaves us with questions unanswered and conspiracy theories.

1:48:03 No kidding. Because we got to keep it going so we can revisit the case every year. And we can keep talking about it and keep making money off of it. People don't get invested in these stories. You're being led along by the nose and you're being manipulated. And it's all about money for everybody, almost everybody involved in this. Unbelievable. Well, as much fun as I had during this show, I need to take a shower and I need to calm down. This is very disturbing.

1:48:46 And it's really disturbing how this played out. And it won't stop. It just will keep on going now with this because we have the guy saying something that doesn't fit the sentencing, doesn't fit the conviction, doesn't fit the scenario that was painted for us. Oh, and he's dead. Yeah, the lead witness. The lead witness ends up dead, shot days after the sentencing. But there's hope because I don't want to leave people on the down note. Okay. If you don't participate in these shows, and that's why I opened this up, this podcast up with saying they sold this to us as a movie.

1:49:31 It's just going to be another movie, another blockbuster. Don't participate. Turn the television off. If you want to help people deal with them on a one-to-one relation, just like me and you do, Adam, we can't have a conversation, me and you. You know, we push back on each other on our perspectives. And you made me understand where you're coming from. And I try to make you understand where I was coming from and how they're able to play on our pull our harp strings. So don't let them. And as it turns out, it's very possible for people of different backgrounds to have normal conversations and talk through stuff.

1:50:13 Very much so. But not with the help of the mainstream media, with elite structures in general. And it's up to us. I mean, not just you and I, but to everybody. You're right. You got to stay away from this stuff or work on looking at it with open eyes as to what's really going on because you're not just seeing something unfold in front of you. You are being pulled in and becoming a part of the story. We heard it there. You're a part of the story when you're out protesting and screaming and outraged and from all sides. You're being drawn in. It's very meta, but you're part of the drama and it's only benefiting, in most cases, big corporations who set out to manipulate you to get the money in the first place.

1:51:00 Both sides. That's right. Well, speaking of which, we're podcasters, so we make no money out of the deal. Everyone's making bank. All we ask for is that you consider if you got any value out of this show, this conversation that we're having. And we'd love for you to show that value by going to mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com, or just go to mofax.com and consider supporting the show and the work. And Mo, once again, I got to thank you for an excellently produced show. You bring it every single time. And I really, really appreciate it. Moreover, because this is exactly what I was talking about in my very own house.

1:51:44 I had no idea. And as if you read my mind, you helped me. And I know that my wife is smiling in the car right now, going like, now I know what's going on. And boy, am I glad that I've got Mo Facts to take me by the hand and lead me down the journey of the correct path. Well, as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be back next Monday with another episode of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Check us out, mofax.com. I'll talk to you next Monday, Mo. All right. See you next Monday, Adam. of this crime

1:53:17 Don't come down or catch me ash, I'm gonna be good to you Loving you is more important than your foolish pride Just put me on probation Loving you is more than infatuation I'm guilty, yeah I'm guilty

1:54:00 But listen Don't come near me, baby, baby, baby Or cast me aside Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Loving you is more than your foolish pride All you got to do is just put me on probation Loving you is more, yeah, than infatuation Cause I'm guilty

1:54:43 Not so yeah, I'm alone, baby, I'm baby Don't come near me, baby, I'm guilty