Monday, 16 February 2026

The ATF Injured It's Own Men At Waco TX The Ken Fawcett Theory [IrluwV4l3C8]

A forensic re-examination of the Mount Carmel siege suggests federal agents were responsible for their own casualties during the botched 1993 raid in Texas.

By Mike Hanson Archives | 44m listen | 11 chapters
The ATF Injured It's Own Men At Waco TX  The Ken Fawcett Theory [IrluwV4l3C8] cover

About this episode

Ken Fawcett and Gregory Salley present a forensic analysis of the 1993 ATF raid on the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas, alleging that federal agents suffered significant casualties from friendly fire rather than Davidian resistance. The report claims Agent Tomwe Lebleu accidentally shot himself in the leg and that aerial footage shows agents firing into their own positions during the initial breach. These findings challenge the official Department of Justice narrative regarding the necessity of military-style force against a religious community.

Scrutiny falls on Attorney General Janet Reno and the FBI Hostage Rescue Team for their roles in the 51-day siege and the final assault authorized by President Bill Clinton. Evidence suggests Peter Gent was killed by a sniper while performing maintenance on a water tower, while the Treasury Department under Lloyd Bentsen is accused of blocking independent physicians from providing medical aid. The analysis highlights the use of Bradley Fighting Vehicles and CS gas as violations of the Omnibus Crime Control Act of 1991, noting that Wayne Martin had to call 911 to force a ceasefire after federal communications failed.

This investigation features a slow-motion breakdown of news clips where injured officers are transported on the hoods of media trucks instead of ambulances. The segment captures the grim reality of psychological warfare tactics, including the use of high-intensity lights to mask Morse code distress signals sent from within the Mount Carmel Center. Ken Fawcett concludes with a direct appeal to the public to demand a congressional inquiry into the discrepancies between recovered body counts and official casualty reports.


CHAPTER 01 / 11 Discussion

Ken Fawcett Theory, ATF Friendly Fire at Waco

Ken Fawcett and Gregory Salley present a critical analysis of the 1993 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) assault on the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas. The analysis uses aerial footage and news clips to allege that ATF agents committed crimes, including the accidental shooting of their own men. Specific claims include Agent Tomwe Lebleu accidentally discharging his weapon into his own leg and agents exposing themselves to friendly fire from the front of the building.

ken fawcett· atf· waco· branch davidian· friendly fire· david koresh

00:02 Constitution Foundational Association presents the Ken Fawcett Theory. ATF injured its own men at Waco, Texas hosted by Ken Fawcett and Gregory Salley produced by Mr. Gregory Salley a critical analysis of media reports to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms assault activities have over 100 agents on the branch Davidian church home in Waco The following actual TV scenes are used to show that certain crimes may have been committed by ATF agents, including murder and injury to their own men as well as to Davidian members. Hello this is Ken Fawcett This is an aerial view of the Branch-Davidian Center In the upper right hand corner of your screen you'll notice the Branch-Davidian Church bus where reporters took up cover near the end of their assignment

00:56 This is Greg Sally, and we must ask the question. What jurisdiction did the ATF have to attack this church complex? You know I knew they were coming before they knew who were coming Of course you know how looking in the eyes And I told him I said Robert You know I love you and I've shown you truth It's right here out of your Bible I said now you have to deal with that now what I showed you About two hours after the scene, officials remove a car that belonged to one of the ATF agents left in the parking lot. And now let's review the actual assault on February 28th 1993 From this camera position just to the right at the front door we can clearly see the three National Guard helicopter gunships coming in low and to the right and left Also to the left your screen notice the two reporters clearly positioned in a tree above a white Ford van

01:51 By this time, church member Perry Jones has been mortally wounded by the front door and Dave Karrish is nursing a bullet wound in his side. The first casualty was in the horse trailer on the way to the scene here an ATF nurse checks for a pulse. The question must be asked was this man killed by his own people or was he killed by a sniper as reported by ATF? The eight-man assassination team begins their ascent of the ladders on the south side of the complex. Notice that these men are dressed differently from other assault team members Also notice that, as they climb this ladder on the right They're going to attempt to break into what they believe is Koresh's bedroom Agent Tomwe Leblew is climbing the ladder on the right He is the officer who had a self inflicted gunshot wound in his upper thigh

03:03 Notice as he reaches for his semi-automatic pistol, it will discharge in the holster. Agent Lebleu is not mortally wounded and is able to carry out his mission although when he reaches the roof he has a slight limp in his right leg. Luckily the man under the ladder is not hurt The team on the left continues their ascent and goes around the three-story riser to the left, and exposes themselves to fire from the front of the building. This, of course would be friendly fire. Here we have an arrow detailing the buckling of Agent LeBlue's leg. Notice that windows and walls are still completely intact.

04:03 This arrow shows the front door of the house where Mr. Jones was killed and Koresh himself was injured

04:49 At this point, you can see where agents have climbed on the roof and cross over to the front part exposed to the friendly fire in the front. Here we see the tarp-covered trailer well where later in the film a Davidian will be asking for peace and help for the injured ATF agents Notice the plywood shack where earlier we had seen the first ATF casualty being attended too And the two ATF cattle trailers were agent's unloaded prior to the raid

05:29 The vehicles from which ATF agents in the front of the building took cover. Are there any holes in these vehicles? The church water tower, on top of which Peter Gent was snipered to death... His body remained there for eight days Here we have the northeast end of the building There didn't appear to be any activity on the assault from this side The complex swimming pool where Brad Branch and Oliver Garfusson's friends spent many hot summer afternoons

06:09 In this photo, taken about two and a half hours after the initial raid, Agent Gonzalez has already removed his red pickup truck. This is the point at which agents believe was Koresh's bedroom. Little did they know he had already moved to the four-story tower. Koresh's satellite dish later used as a signal to the CFA and Ron Engelman for help The window agents illegally bashed in on the day of the raid as they attempted to arrest Mr. Koresh

06:49 Here we see points of origin of gunfire coming into the complex. The top arrow shows the approximate location of helicopter firing at the tower. Here, we see the point in which agents who had ascended to left-hand ladder exposed themselves to friendly fire from the front of the building. Branch Davidians stored their children's go karts and bicycles here which were later destroyed by ATF This is the doghouse and kennel with chain link fence that Mr. Schroeder's body will later be removed from These are haytie blocks left over from the construction of the flimsy bunker

CHAPTER 02 / 11 Discussion

ATF Jurisdiction, Media Collusion and Use of Force

Questions are raised regarding the legal jurisdiction and authority of the ATF to serve a warrant on a church home using military-style force. The narrative suggests potential collusion between the ATF and the media, noting the presence of reporters in trees prior to the assault. Further scrutiny is applied to the use of concussion grenades and the lack of evidence regarding massive return fire from within the building during the initial raid.

atf· jurisdiction· media collusion· search warrant· concussion grenades

07:41 A serious question arises. By what jurisdiction and authority, by what rules did the ATF have to go by in serving a warrant? The only thing they had was a warrant. What crimes are being committed here before our very eyes by force that we have no control over? Is this America? Is this the kind of America that you want The question must be asked also of the media and the press. Was everything reported properly? Were crimes committed and not reported? This is a serious question that must be answered. Just who is the ATF, and who do they serve? Who pays their paycheck? By what authority, in what was the emergency under which the governor would allow three helicopters to be used to serve a warrant on a church home

08:45 It is reported that two reporters were in a tree prior to the assault. How did they have this information and who gave it to them? Was it the ATF, and was this collusion in an attempt to serve a warrant that results in crimes being committed? Who are the people involved? What must be do so something like this can never happen again in America?" Now let us look at this scene. Here is the front yard of the Davidian complex We see the cattle trailer, we see the agents... ...we see the yard This is a dirtyard and we see the automobiles And in a moment were gonna see all these agent's firing They claim that was a tremendous overpowering fire from within the building But lets take a look what happening here

09:47 There isn't a single bullet that's hitting the ground anywhere. There isn't a single window or tire or surface of any vehicle that has been hit. There is no evidence here, of any massive return fire from the building and we will see later that the windows also are still intact for the most part An independent investigative team would find that there are no incoming bullets to the ATF men. There are no broken windows, there are no shots fired into the vehicles

10:46 The investigative team must ask the question and find the answer. What are these men shooting at? What did they hit? Did they hit their own men? Who did they fire at? Why did they fire? What was the instruction? This is an ATF operation gone amok, what shall we do? We must have an independent investigative team." This scene shows the breaking of the window, which apparently the ATF thought was Koresh's room. The four men go up the right-hand ladder. They are a special team and you will notice that the uniforms that they have are different. The whole problem we see here is three men went in and were said to have died then later this story was changed again

11:55 Please note that when these men go in this window, that they expose themselves. If there was someone inside this room they certainly would have killed these three men before they got in the window What shall we believe? Please note the concussion grenade. Is this legal? Is this the necessary force that's needed to serve a warrant? Look at the grenades on this man, what shall we have here in the way of police action?

CHAPTER 03 / 11 Discussion

Video Evidence, Grenade Deployment and Agent Injuries

A slow-motion breakdown of video footage examines the deployment of grenades into the complex, suggesting that shrapnel from ATF explosives may have injured their own agents. The analysis disputes government claims of Davidian resistance, questioning why injured officers were transported on the hoods of news trucks rather than in ambulances. The segment concludes by questioning the lack of bullet holes in the building's exterior despite reports of heavy gunfire from within.

video analysis· grenades· shrapnel· friendly fire· news vehicle

14:23 Give me another tape then. This man just threw in a hand grenade, we must ask why? Why did the film have such a glitch in it? Who was the one who spliced the film there? Was it the ATF or was it the original Channel 10 crew? Here we see the grenade throw in slow motion It's a left-handed throw We believe that is the second of two grenades that were actually thrown into the window

15:08 The first one will put shrapnel just to the left of the window. Notice concussion effect on the video camera, there's the second concussion. Shrapnel from the first grenade is already coming through the wall 3-4 pieces will appear within a millisecond of each other Now shrapnel from the second grenade is coming through the roof and the eave And pieces of room dust and sheetrock will come flying through the window

15:47 one of which will strike the man in the shoulder, knocking him to the roof. Fortunately he is not severely injured and is able to roll around on the roof and eventually slide down the ladder to safety Before this happens He's warded away from the window by a comrade on the ground telling him don't go in there friendly forces Don't go in there friendly forces The shingle that you have seen over and over which flies up and appears to be shot from the inside has been determined that there was actually a bullet fired from the ground and away from the building. How many of y'all is looking down Elk Grove? How many of y'all is looking down Elk Grove? How many of y'all is looking down Elk Grove?

17:23 If it is true, as government officials have asserted that there is a Davidian inside that room firing outward why does not this man fire his automatic weapon at the wall? This would be his best and most sure defense if indeed there are enemy forces within that room. Certainly he would have been much much safer than rolling around on the roof like he does and then having to slide all way down the ladder with himself fully exposed on the roof So let's ask the question again. Why doesn't he fire with his weapon into the room? Because he knows it is friends. Why is this officer not yet in a hospital, why were there no ambulances standing by on the scene what happened to the ATF master plan why was injured officers transported on a news the hood of a news vehicle truck

18:18 We need to ask all these questions and bow our heads in prayer that this may never happen again. Why do these men not seem to be afraid for their lives? Why is there no evidence of gunfire into that flimsy wooden shack? What is the training of these men? Why did they not wear flak jackets like the others? Near the end of the firefight now, and the agents are bleeding in the room thought to have been Carish's bedroom

18:55 and we'll see in a moment, a better shot of the windows on the building. There are only a few broken on that side where is all the gunfire that Agent Killeran and Agent Conroy had spoken up when he said 40 or 50 positions were firing at them from within the compound? Where is that fire? In a moment we will know one of those agents thats in the room was able to stagger out onto the roof And Mr. Gonzalez is heard to say, who's on the roof? Who's on the roof fires his weapon and we believe that there is a question that needs to be answered Did he fire the shot that killed one of the agents that was coming out of that room These are the questions that we ask There are many more that can be raised through scrutiny Of these films

CHAPTER 04 / 11 Discussion

Ceasefire Negotiations, Wayne Martin and Independent Investigation

The narrative describes a Davidian member attempting to surrender to stop the carnage, asserting that the assault only ended because Wayne Martin called 911 to arrange a ceasefire. Reported casualties include four ATF agents and five Davidians, leading to a call for an independent investigative team to examine potential crimes committed by federal forces. The segment highlights the death of a man on the roof, allegedly killed by friendly fire from an officer asking "Who is on the roof?"

wayne martin· ceasefire· 911 call· independent investigation· casualties

19:51 Experts can scrutinize these films far more thoroughly than we have been able to. And if they too have questions to ask, then let the public know that they were done properly." The following scenes must be analyzed properly if you are to get the true character of The Davidians What we see here is a man coming through a doorway asking for peace What he is saying is that, I have something to tell you. You've got three men hurt in here bad. This is an overt act on the Davidians to stop the carnage that has been going on for over half-an-hour. The only reason that the assault on the Davidian complex was stopped was because Wayne Martin called 911 at the Sheriff's office in Waco and arranged for a ceasefire

20:47 This is how it stopped. The carnage that went on was reported to be terrible, four ATF men dead 14-16 wounded and five Davidians reported dead and unknown number of wounded. Ambulance got it!

21:37 The independent investigative team must ask the serious question, what crimes have been committed by the ATF forces in this assault on the Davidian complex? Why hasn't the media reported these crimes?" Think back on these images in your mind. The tree where the reporters were, the four-story tower that eventually became David Koresh's bedroom, ATF carrying the dead bodies off the roof And of course, what was thought to be Koresh's bedroom but of course was just empty. We now know these things and we can ask questions that need to be answered Please join us in our call for an independent investigation The man on the roof with a blood trail from his head Was killed needlessly by the officer who asks Who is on the roof? Once again friendly fire Are these the victors or the oppressor

CHAPTER 05 / 11 Discussion

ATF Post-Mortem, Outgunned Claims and Constitutional Rights

ATF officials claim the raid failed because they were outgunned and lost the element of surprise, while the program argues the situation could have been handled by the local sheriff without violence. The discussion shifts to the constitutional rights of Texas citizens and the perceived lack of accountability for the federal police force. Concerns are raised about media censorship and the decision to move press trucks miles away from the scene.

atf· ambush· illegal weapons· first amendment· sovereignty

22:43 These are the weapons that are reported by ATF to be used inside the complex and are legal weapons that can be owned by any American. Back in Malcarmel, ATF and other police agencies surrounded the compound and the long standoff began. So did the post-mortem of the raid. Why it failed depends on who's talking for ATF on what day? It appears that they knew we were coming yes The main problem we had I don't believe is that we were outmaneuvered or out planned The problem we had was that we were outgunned They have bigger firearms than we had They were able to shoot through doors

23:26 Due to that, you know a lot of our agents were hurt. What we had was someone who eliminated the element of surprise which is what we needed and in so doing our agents walked into an ambush And we'll find out who did that The tragedy of this whole affair is that People were killed on both sides. On the ATF, there are families who must now mourn their people that have been killed. On the Davidian side again there are only a few survivors Why wasn't this plan of attack on a church complex more properly executed? More properly planned? Surely there's a crime that police officers

24:15 should be able to understand the situations into which they go and they should be protected. If the sheriff could have gone and arrested Mr. Koresh earlier, if Koresh had brought all his guns to the sheriff and shown them to him because someone said they had illegal weapons and that none were found surely that could've been repeated Is it necessary that this man, this ATF man should have lost his life? Did he get killed by his own people inadvertently or on purpose. We must ask the questions and we must find the answers This should never happen again in America This is America! This is not Nazi Germany. This is not Stalinist Communist Russia. This is America

25:09 Where do these people come from? Who directs them and for what purpose? We must find those answers. There are crimes clearly committed here, is this a scene that should be repeated in America again? We do not think so we do not think that the majority of Americans believe that it should ever occur again or believe that it should have ever occurred in the first place when the local sheriff could have taken care of it What jurisdiction does the ATF have in Texas or any other state? We must find out. We must ask the question, it cannot be left to people who we do not know who we do not elect Who is in charge of this fiasco why did it happen will it happen again

26:01 We must find the answers. Macklemore's news unit was used to transport some of the wounded agents. Currently, his bosses are consulting with attorneys before issuing a statement The investigative team must find out why this could ever happen in America. There will be agents suspended or fired as result of what happened Can you talk about that at all? What I had mentioned we're extremely proud of what happened out there, how our agents conducted themselves under some unbelievable circumstances. Just were these unbelievable circumstances referred to by the ATF spokesman? We need to know! The investigating team must have the final answer on what really went on. We hear many stories...many of them are contradictory

26:59 We don't know if this is because the press is not reporting a full story or if they were censored. If there was censorship, what about the First Amendment? What can we do to prevent anything like this happening again? This is an assault on the rights of Americans, on their sovereign rights as citizens of the state of Texas and of this great United States Can we allow this kind of action to go on with a police force over which we have no control, no say and that can blatantly mix up its stories and expect the public to believe that they are correct all the time? Look how far from the scene of the actual complex that these media trucks were. Why was it necessary to remove them two miles or more from the scene

CHAPTER 06 / 11 Discussion

Peter Gent, FBI Hostage Rescue Team Tactics

Peter Gent, an Australian national, was reportedly shot by a sniper while scraping rust from a water tower and his body was left for eight days. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) eventually removed the remains using a helicopter grappling hook under the cover of darkness, an operation that resulted in the body being further damaged. The segment questions the FBI's official account of Gent's death as part of an active assault.

peter gent· fbi hrt· water tower· australia· grappling hook

27:58 What shall we do in the future so that we never have this happen again? Why was this young man murdered on the top of the water tower his body lay for eight days before on March 8th, The FBI announced that they would allow the Davidians to have a proper burial for him. His name was Peter Gent from Australia, shot by a sniper bullet the evening after the initial raid. Armed only with a rust scraper he had come out of the water tower after a long day's work inside scraping rust We have to ask the question, why did the FBI come back on Thursday's press conference following the Sunday he was killed and try to explain away his death as part of a three-man assault upon a 500 member law enforcement team? It just doesn't make sense.

28:57 In typical FBI HRT, that's hostage rescue team tactics. The FBI removes the body under the cover of darkness with a helicopter grappling hook It was so decayed by the eighth day that one of the legs That the grappling hook was attached to tore loose and the body fell to the ground The Davidians were allowed to bury the remains near the north end of the complex the following day Can we please allow Mr. Gent's family to exhume his remains? The eight-part series or something, they had a photograph on the front page and when I saw the picture that was the first thing that I thought was this person has been in here That statement from the manager of Chelsea Street Restaurant indicates there is proof Mr. Koresh could have been arrested off the premises What about the children so well behaved, so well mannered Are these the children of cultists

CHAPTER 07 / 11 Discussion

Davidian Children, Janet Reno and Religious Freedom

The program disputes Attorney General Janet Reno's claims of child abuse within the compound, citing earlier Child Protective Services investigations that found the children to be well-cared for and educated. FBI negotiations are characterized as stall tactics while the government allegedly prepared for further action. The segment emphasizes the right to religious freedom and criticizes government officials for prejudging the Davidians before any trial.

janet reno· child protective services· religious freedom· mass suicide· negotiations

29:59 Why are they so well educated? They look so content and why is it that Janet Reno says she felt like the Davidian children had been abused. It just doesn't jive with what the Child Protective Services had found out in two earlier investigations appear to be smart, well-educated very sharp children. They seem to have been very well cared for Child protective services officials say the free children are being kept together in a family setting they seem very much like their brothers and sisters

30:37 They are interacting as you might see children of a family reacting. An alcohol, tobacco and firearms official in Washington claims the agency had heard before the raid that the cult was contemplating mass suicide We were making good progress I believe in getting the children out of compound it seems that we have hit somewhat of a stalemate. We have made repeated offers for compromise on various issues. Once we appear to be going forward in meeting what they are requesting, oftentimes they are rejecting even proposals that they have submitted so we're going through a very frustrating and disappointing period in the negotiation process

31:26 Maybe the FBI never did negotiate with Mr. Koresh in good faith, maybe all along this was just a stall tactic by the federal government to figure out a way to cover their atrocious acts the previous week. The question is he's waiting for a message what is the message? He tells us that he has been told by God to wait until he should come out So he is waiting for a message from his God that it is time, in fact, for him to come out. Yes? And how does he expect to get this message from God when they've got somebody... I have no idea how he expects to get the message One of the precious rights that we have here in America is the right to religious freedom Why is this officer of the government putting down the religion of this group of people

32:23 My question is will we ever give him a deadline? We have, uh...we have avoided deadlines unless we're willing to follow up on those deadlines. And with regard to whether we would ever go back in there or not again we're getting into a tactical area that I'm not going to discuss but as you said our belief is that they are gonna come out they are gonna answer for the crimes that they have committed Is it a crime in America to prejudge someone? Are they innocent until proven guilty? What crimes did they really commit, what crimes are they guilty of and how should they be punished. Is this the scene from Bosnia no it's Waco Texas why our tanks running up and down our streets not being reported on the evening news

CHAPTER 08 / 11 Discussion

Psychological Warfare, Morse Code and Omnibus Crime Control Act

The FBI utilized high-intensity lights and constant noise as psychological warfare to prevent the Davidians from sleeping and to mask their Morse code distress signals. The presence of Bradley Fighting Vehicles is described as a threatening violation of the Omnibus Crime Control Act of 1991. The narrative questions whether the United States government was effectively at war with its own citizens.

psychological warfare· morse code· bradley fighting vehicle· omnibus crime control act· sleep deprivation

33:12 Bright lights and constant noise led to a continuous deterioration in the minds of the Davidians. The FBI are trying a new tactic, A powerful arc light illuminates the compound making sleep a little difficult News reports were that all was usually quiet at the Branch-Davidian complex but nothing could have been further from the truth The FBI used the cover of darkness pull most their dastardly deeds Since when does police work justify using psychological warfare of this type? What is going on here, what must we do to stop it?" As the standoff entered its third week it became increasingly clear that the Davidians were frustrated with the negotiations. They made attempts to contact outsiders with Morse code messages sent at night

34:21 The FBI responded with bright, bright lights heretofore unseen in the siege and a laser-equipped monochromatic light to try to mask the signals coming from Koresh's window. It was a desperate attempt to cry out for help. The FBI did everything in its power to see that it was ignored." What can we do to ask questions as to what the conditions must have been like, because someone could resort to sending morse code messages under these circumstances. Notice the Bradley that pulls in position in a threatening location under the window In other words you better turn those lights off buddy or were gonna fire at you

35:23 These towers are reported to be low frequency and high frequency generators used in psychological warfare for military purposes. Are we at war with the Davidians? What shall we do about the violation of the Omnibus Crime Control Act of 1991? Is this a violation of the Policeman's Accountability Act? Is this the way that we're going to serve warrants in the future? What is happening to our country?" completely control the compound. We have the ability at any time to turn off the electricity or any access that they may have with the outside world." Meanwhile, a group known as the CFA or Constitutional Foundation has charged agents with alcohol tobacco and firearms with accidentally shooting the first shot triggering the gun battle. The information about who fired the first shot came from the Texas Department of Public Safety

CHAPTER 09 / 11 Discussion

Constitutional Foundation, Treasury Department and Foreign Power Claims

The Constitutional Foundation (CFA) alleges that the Treasury Department, led by Lloyd Bentsen, serves foreign interests such as the United Nations and the IMF rather than the American people. The CFA attempted to send physicians into the compound to provide medical care and facilitate a peaceful settlement but was blocked by the FBI and ATF. The segment frames the federal intervention as a "dictatorship by foreign power" alien to the state of Texas.

cfa· lloyd bentsen· united nations· imf· world bank

36:23 One of the things that must be brought to the attention of the viewers is this. Who is the Department of Treasury headed by former Senator Benson? Who pays their paycheck and who do they serve? Under the legal instruments that you will see later, you will find that the Treasury Department serves the United Nations, the IMF and World Bank. And Secretary Benson is not paid by the American people. We now have a foreign power who has put its people into the state of Texas and is therefore, a foreign power alien to the state of Texas." A new banner has been unfurled at the Branch Davidian camp this time proclaiming send in CFA and Don Stewart. CFA was invited by the Davidians to come inside the compound

37:28 make a peaceful settlement of this tragic affair. The ATF and the FBI refused to allow this, CFA was stopped at the barricade and only the press was allowed to go in. CFA believes that a peaceful solution could have been made at this time. Was it necessary that so many should die needlessly at the church complex at Mount Carmel? Why would this ever happen in America What must we do to stop this so it will never happen again? Is this America, the land of the free or is this a dictatorship by foreign power. We must take back our country immediately. CFA brought in two fine physicians to help in this matter My interest is to see if we can help to defuse the situation and to bring some people out that's our goal Willing to risk your life to do it

38:36 I'm willing to go in there and if someone needs some care, I'll provide what little I can. What mostly concerns me at this time is that I don't want to see a massacre. Stewart appeared on this Dallas radio talk show host's recent program We want people to know that these people inside obviously need doctors, need medical care On Monday April 19th 5am I receive an anonymous call from Waco telling me to get my tape rolling because this is the beginning of the end As you can see from our computer model, tanks began knocking down the walls.

CHAPTER 10 / 11 Discussion

Final Assault, CS Gas and Presidential Authorization

On April 19th, tanks began demolishing the walls of the compound to insert CS gas, a move authorized by Attorney General Janet Reno with the knowledge of President Bill Clinton. While the FBI claimed the gas was non-lethal, the program describes it as a painful irritant intended to wear down resistance. Reports indicate that approximately 200 rounds of gas were lobbed into the building as M60 tanks breached the structure.

bill clinton· janet reno· cs gas· m60 tanks· final assault

39:13 inside the walls of the compound and they would shoot in the CS gas keeping inside there a non-lethal dosage of that gas which is an irritant, it can even cause as Agent Rick said nausea but to the adults they know have gas masks and perhaps the children too. But they want to keep a non lethal level of that gas inside the compound and wear down their resistance each time that armored vehicle went up through up to the compound to insert more gas, they were met by gunshots. A total of, Agent Rick said about 200 gunshots fired by cult members toward the FBI although Rich they were careful emphasized that the FBI did not return any shots to cult members and so far this morning no new injuries because of this assault is that correct? Mr President did you authorize the move on Waco this morning sir

40:04 I was aware of it. I think the Attorney General made the decision, and I think that I should refer all questions to her and the FBI. Did you have any instructions for her as how it should be executed? They made the tactical decisions. That was their judgment, not the FBI's. Is this a rigged? And I will... I want to refer you to talk with the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew that it would be done but the decisions were entirely theirs Reportedly, the president was very involved in monitoring the situation here. One description is he was micromanaging it from Washington You heard him say Janet Reno made the authorization She is the US Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department

40:47 which is in charge of the FBI, ATF. Also notified Lloyd Benson who is the boss for the Treasury Department and that includes ATF but President Clinton watching this from afar watching it very closely certainly did not say no when the plan was presented to him for approval If David Koresh has his radio, he heard Bob Rick say at the briefing that they're going to try to gas him out and the way to do it is to continue go to different areas in that compound where you think people might be and just keep lobbing the gas in there. Something like 180 rounds now so far have been probably closer to 200 rounds of CS Gas non-lethal gas but painful and irritating to anyone who's in its path

CHAPTER 11 / 11 Discussion

Mount Carmel Fire, Casualty Discrepancies and Final Appeal

The final siege resulted in a massive fire that destroyed the Branch Davidian Center in less than an hour, with flames first appearing in a window after gas canisters were inserted. While initial reports suggested 86 people were inside, later counts of recovered bodies led to allegations of a government cover-up. The program concludes with a plea for citizens to contact Congress to demand the truth about the events at Waco.

mount carmel· fire· bob ricks· fbi· cover-up

41:39 It's lobbed into that compound so far. And Brad, this has been probably the most active that these M60 tanks have been First it made just to the left there a good sized hole and now its back at the front door again Definitely stepping up the pace This is Bob Rex talking about the gas Gas was inserted using a Mark V delivery system secured to a boom Also non-pyrotechnic delivery systems were utilized to insert CS gas The occupants in the compound were advised, this is not an assault. Do not fire! If you fire your fire will be returned We are introducing non-lethal tear gas Exit the compound now and follow instructions You are responsible for your own actions

42:33 Hodgepodge that actually some of the masks may prove to be ineffective. They think that even if they're in crawl spaces and bunkers, that the gas will get them there so you take bits of that building out, bits of that structure out and continue to fire in tear gas as best we know those armored vehicles are receiving fire back 10 to 12 rounds each time the armored vehicle goes into the building. The very first time anywhere from 75 to 80 rounds was received by that... Uh-oh, and Mike we are looking at fire from inside the cult compound smoke coming out of one of the windows

43:13 We don't know exactly what that is, whether it's a smoke bomb. They've released smoke down there before. It's coming out of the window Mike which is the fourth window to the right from what used to be the front door there And if any of our military specialists are on line in my ear they might tell me whether or not its conceivable that a canister like this might also ignite a fire It looks to be black smoke, it's fire. And it looks to be intermittent? It starts and stops and starts and stops... Now we see flames coming out of there The compound is on fire

43:52 And Clint Bond, our assignments editor tells me that a canister could in fact start a fire inside the compound. Inside the building there But earlier the FBI agent in charge Bob Ricks one of the commanders down there had said if they really wanted to go and destroy this building it would take them about 60 minutes Well fire did it in 50 minutes Less Fire did it less And you can see here, this is how it started. We watched just the smoke billowing out and then the flames licking out of the window. As the Branch Davidian Center burns to the ground it's widely reported that 86 persons remain inside however later reports are that only 52 bodies have been recovered and the press smells a cover-up This is your wake up call ladies and gentlemen write your congressman we need answers...we need the truth

44:46 The truth will set everyone free. Thank you very much