Monday, 16 February 2026

Pay Off For Anti Gun Testimony Caught On Tape By Alex Jones [cbAhzoEu1aY]

A confrontation at the Texas State Capitol reveals cash payments to pro-gun control witnesses as new federal data shows national violence reaching a sixty-year low.

By Mike Hanson Archives | 9m listen | 4 chapters
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About this episode

Alex Jones confronted activists from Young Texans Against Gun Violence at the Texas State Capitol, alleging that Nina Butts and George Soros funded cash payments for pro-gun control testimony. Jones captured footage of witnesses receiving money outside a House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee hearing, sparking a debate over the legality of unregistered lobbying and the ethics of compensating individuals for legislative participation.

Dave Smith of Texans for Gun Safety admitted to distributing $300 cash payments to witnesses Otarius Kelly and Bruce Brown for travel and lost wages, despite reports that the recipients were unemployed. While Suzy Woodford of Common Cause Texas questioned the credibility of cash-based reimbursements, Chairman Juan Hinojosa defended the practice as standard compensation for travel expenses. Meanwhile, data from the National Center for Health Statistics and the CDC indicates that American gun deaths have reached their lowest levels since the mid-1960s, a fact cited by Rick Green to challenge the necessity of new restrictions.

Alex Jones demands an investigation into state election law violations as young men at the capitol struggle to explain the source of their stipends. The confrontation highlights the friction between grassroots activists and institutional lobbyists during a high-stakes legislative session in Austin.


CHAPTER 01 / 4 Discussion

Alex Jones Confronts Witnesses Over Cash Payments at Texas Capitol

Alex Jones confronts a group of young men at the Texas State Capitol, alleging they were paid cash for their testimony in favor of gun control legislation. The men, identified as members of Young Texans Against Gun Violence, claim the money consists of travel expenses and stipends rather than direct payment for testimony. Jones references Nina Butts and George Soros as the financial backers behind the group's presence at the hearing.

alex jones· texas capitol· young texans against gun violence· nina butts· george soros

00:00 We'll be right back. This is the payoff at the Capitol last week to the statesman Whitewash, stay with us. So you guys were paid for your testimony? Nope Well we just saw the gentleman give you money It doesn't matter We travel traveling expenses, baby. I'm traveling to this for you guys with a million mile march No, what were young taste? So where it who are you with his camera? And no he's a guy who has some yeah Oh That's not actually is now paying contributions campaign contribution and nobody's getting paid for nothing we run when I sit in there That's what I feel all mean who gave me the money

00:41 It doesn't matter, money I've been having. I got money all the time. Looks like quite a bit of loss. This gentleman giving you money? I gave him traveling expenses. And uh...I saw you testify sir. You were here with Nina Butts funded by George Soros, the foreign currency speculator So this is how business is done. And who are you? I'm Alex Jones. Oh, hi Alex! A known viral purchaser and seller to minors. Yeah. Oh really?! Really...I didn't know I was in that business. Thought I was a radio talk show host. But really oh that's an effective deal so you guys are taking over the country now right? Nope, you are dude. Just as soon people disarmed right just like Hitler

01:21 So how much did he pay you? It looked like thousands to me. Yeah it was, it was $20,000 Well I saw wads of 20's and 100's I had to get my camera, I was across the hall there You're gonna go buy a gun with that man The police told us about it We're gonna go buy a lot of guns and we're gonna come back and sell them to the NRA Hey, we're making it so hot that we blowing up. Remember Hitler was for gun control guys. Hitler was for gun control and if I ever catch him on my block i'ma shoot him! So how did the Million Mom March get in touch with you? We're not even a part of the million mom march. Oh really? You said the name of a group your were with Young Texans Against Gun Violence baby Recognize And you get paid to do it huh Nope We get a stipend from volunteering From who

02:03 That old man is our best friend. Campaign contribution. It's not my son. You just called little kids names. You don't want to lose your 4-8 shooting club, do you? No I don't. Well there's a little bandage where they won't be able to train you how shoot and that's their goal Yep And so you guys were the 4-H shooting club Yes we are here for the youth We're here waiting for the youth And you've been waiting all day and they wouldn't even let anybody talk So had all the Nina Butzes up there first unbelievable Saw you paying those people off Your guy Paying those guys from Houston hundreds Excuse me Really

02:48 I have a hundred dollars. I caught him on tape, you're caught lady. Really? Who are you talking about? What did you see because across the hall I saw wads of money. I ran to get the camera Well, I missed it and I came back and I caught him he hid the money. She told me that We went over there and he was counting them out. I saw hundreds and twenties Yeah, yeah We think we gave each guy like $400 right? Well no all i saw was 400 dollars that I saw him count A lot of you guys are looking from the outside in. You know what I'm saying? You guys are looking in on the situation and you guys are living it day to day.

03:42 I know all these people, I live there where all this is going on. You guys might think that they already have everything under control but it's not regardless if we pass this law or not I mean, things might change but this right here, this bill, all three of these bills. This is just the beginning because there's bigger threats out there and there's bigger laws that we need to focus on that are being enforced in America. But these three house bills right here? This is just the beginning and from now forward

04:24 And like I said, you guys are looking... most of you guys are looking out and in from the outside. Because I'm there every day. We've gone into researching. I don't even want to know where these companies are located at or none of that. But- Well then what makes you think they're selling because I do these drug guns? That's only who else is going to give them. They don't have a factory in the hood where they're making guns You don't think some of those guns might be stolen They're not, man. How can... Where are you going to get your money stolen guns from? From 200 houses maybe or 10 houses and that's it. See nobody says all right nobody... So I'm sorry this is just wanted to clarify i think what i'm hearing you saying that at least one source of these guns on the street is the gun show yes thank

CHAPTER 02 / 4 Discussion

National Center for Health Statistics Gun Violence Data

Statistical data from the National Center for Health Statistics and the Centers for Disease Control indicates that gun deaths in the United States reached their lowest levels since the mid-1960s. Proponents of gun rights argue that Texas and the broader United States are safer than in previous decades, suggesting that proposed gun control legislation is a solution seeking a non-existent epidemic.

national center for health statistics· centers for disease control· gun violence· texas· health statistics

05:12 First question I would like to ask is do we have an epidemic of gun violence because the proponents of the legislation, the ladies are very well-intended and sincere testimonies from many of our march members and others. Would lead you believe that we have an epidemic of gun violence? That is not the case Texas and United States are safer than they've ever been. I won't go into detail but if you look at this clipping file here information from the National Center for Health Statistics, the Centers for Disease Control. U.S. gun deaths at lowest since mid-60s. We'll see that we do not have an epidemic of gun violence and we may be in a situation where we're having solutions seeking a problem. Payments made to backers of gun bills

CHAPTER 03 / 4 Discussion

Texans for Gun Safety Cash Reimbursement Controversy

Dave Smith, president of Texans for Gun Safety, admitted to giving three witnesses approximately $300 each in cash outside a committee hearing room for travel and lost wages. Critics point out that the witnesses, including Otarius Kelly and Bruce Brown, were reportedly unemployed at the time, contradicting the "lost wages" justification. Suzy Woodford of Common Cause Texas noted that while travel reimbursement is common, using cash and paying for a witness's time raises significant ethical questions regarding credibility.

dave smith· texans for gun safety· otarius kelly· common cause texas· ethics

05:57 Questions arise over cash given to three witnesses who support gun show background checks. Proponents of Gun Owners' Rights asked Lawmakers Friday to investigate cash payments made to three Houston men who appeared before a House committee this week, to support bills that would require instant background checks at gun shows Dave Smith president of Houston-based Texans for Gun Safety A known front that is funded by Hanger Control Incorporated said he gave the three members of Young Texans Against Gun Violence, Nina Butz's group is Texans Against Gun Violence about $300 each to cover their expenses and lost wages for the trip. All three men however said they are currently unemployed so they can't get their lives straight. That's lie number four right there

06:42 It was reimbursement for their jobs, but they're unemployed. Otarius Kelly 20 one of the witnesses said is ridiculous that someone would raise concerns about their testimony it's against my morals Kelly said an admitted gang member by the way in the Houston Chronicle there was another story about this in there Another witness agreed the money that was given to us was not to change our testimony said Bruce Brown 18 who did not speak To the committee but submitted a witness form that showed he supported the bills Smith who gave them in the cash just outside of the committee hearing room said young Texans against gun violence is an arm of his group. The subsidiary group receives donations from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development and

07:23 And the Alliance for Justice. Those groups encourage young people to get experience in the political process, Smith said. Yeah right. Reimbursing witnesses for travel expenses is not unusual since Suzy Woodford of Common Cause Texas a group that monitors government ethics but she said other witnesses using cash and paying for witnesses time raises ethical questions it's totally undermines the witness' credibility Woodford said I got here, and said how will this look? It says complaints about the payments began circulating after Austin-based talk show host Alex Jones who was at the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee meeting Tuesday aired videotaped interviews with Smith and the young men. They told Jones that money was reimbursement stipends in campaign contributions so three different stories it's like a famous scene in a movie where you guys going or what are you doing

CHAPTER 04 / 4 Discussion

Texas House Committee Response to Lobbying Allegations

Representative Juan Hinojosa and Representative Rick Green addressed the controversy surrounding the paid witnesses during a House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee meeting. While Alex Jones called for an investigation into potential violations of state election laws regarding unregistered lobbyists, Chairman Hinojosa expressed that he saw nothing improper about compensating witnesses for travel. State law requires registration for individuals paid more than $1,000 in three months to influence legislation, a threshold the proponents claim was not met.

rick green· juan hinojosa· lobbying laws· alex jones· texas house criminal jurisprudence committee

08:19 Going to see my mother, going to get something to eat. Going to the moon... It's just making it up! Head of Gun Owners Alliance has asked his thousands of members to seek a house investigation on the payments and have the hearing disregarded Smith said complaints are being raised because young men are minorities Jones, a strong supporter of gun owners rights since Smith was trying to cover up his dirty activities by making accusations of racism. He's sitting here caught on tape throwing out different stories and giving out money said Jones who mentioned the payments during his testimony against the proposal to require background checks at gun shows how dare he try to divert attention by saying I'm a racist committee members Rick Green are dripping Springs and Juan Hena Hosad

09:00 McAllen said they were uneasy about taking Jones seriously because of other inflammatory comments he has made. Hinojosa, the chairman of the committee said that although he didn't know details about the payments, he is not concerned if the witnesses are compensated for testifying. Hinojosa said lobbyists are compensated for their work to influence policy on behalf of other interests. Maybe these kids were paid for their travel but I don't see anything improper about it, Hinojosa said. It is part of the process and part of open government." State law requires people who are paid more than $1,000 in three months or who spend more than $500 a quarter trying to influence legislation or agency action register as lobbyists. So you broke the state election laws bud! You're not a lobbyist we checked Smith said not reimbursing witnesses for lost wages would mean average Texans would be left out of legislative debates and he said cash made sense