Sunday, 15 February 2026

Lost Interview With Waco Fire Survivor Clive Doyle April 9, 2001 [IUReKbMq6M0]

A recovered 2001 interview reveals the Branch Davidian survivors’ efforts to rebuild their sanctuary and challenge federal accounts of the Waco siege through new documentary evidence.

Clive Doyle Mount Carmel Branch Davidians Mike McNulty Alex Jones Waco memorial The Flare Project

By Mike Hanson Archives | 20m listen | 7 chapters

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Lost Interview With Waco Fire Survivor Clive Doyle April 9, 2001 [IUReKbMq6M0] cover

About this episode

Clive Doyle and the Branch Davidian survivors completed the reconstruction of the Mount Carmel church in April 2001, marking a pivotal transition for the community following the 1993 siege. This recovered interview from the Mike Hanson Archives captures Doyle overseeing the final interior work just days before the eighth anniversary memorial. Lorenzo Maldonado of Thunder Force led an Austin-based crew to install 160 yards of red carpeting across the main auditorium, replacing the raw plywood floors that had served the congregation since the Volunteers of America returned the land in 2000.

The 2001 memorial service schedule features a shift toward religious observance with musical performances by CJ Harper and Thibodeau’s band. Alex Jones is slated as a primary speaker for the event, which expects to draw 250 attendees to the site off Loop 340. Doyle also addresses the release of Mike McNulty’s documentary, The Flare Project, which presents evidence of government gunfire and tank activity that contradicts the official Danforth report. Survivors intend to screen portions of the film during the service to challenge the federal narrative of the April 19 tragedy.

Clive Doyle provides specific logistics for the anniversary, including a planned group dinner in downtown Waco following the noon conclusion of the ceremony. The footage offers a rare look at the survivor community's resilience and Doyle's organizational leadership before the site became a permanent fixture of historical contention. Mike Hanson concludes the segment by highlighting the Gonzales Association of Patriots and their recent charitable donation to a local resident named Peggy to assist with utility costs.

CHAPTER 01 / 7 Discussion

Mike Hanson Archives, Clive Doyle Interview Introduction

Mike Hanson introduces a recovered interview with Clive Doyle filmed on April 9, 2001, shortly before the September 11 attacks. The footage documents the period following the reconstruction of the Branch Davidian church after the Volunteers of America transferred ownership to survivors in April 2000. Hanson emphasizes that the tape establishes Doyle's leadership role within the survivor community as they prepared to complete the building's interior.

mike hanson· clive doyle· branch davidians· volunteers of america· waco

00:01 I love Mike Hanson Archives. Well hello folks this is Mike Hanson and i found some footage here of a long lost interview with Clive Doyle This is about a year, I think it's April 9th 2001 Right before 9-1-1 it hasn't happened yet It's kind of a lost interview When we were putting the carpet in this is about a year after We rebuilt their church when we rebuilt the church. We ran out of money and it took us almost A year to raise the money for the brand new

01:05 red carpet that you're fixing to see here, so The reason why I'd like to put this interview on here is because there's been a lot of question about who owns the church and definitely the Volunteers of America has handed the church over in the year 2000, April 19th 2000 to the branch of idiots survivors mainly Clive Doyle and then he can decide from there who is in charge. That was our understanding of it when we built the church, that Clive Doyle was going to be the leader and this tape kind of proves it. That's why I want to put it on here for y'all Listen carefully... Clive is taking control and he's acting like the church is his He's inviting people to his church

02:09 to the Branch Davidian Survivor Church. So, here we go! This was filmed April 9th 2001 about a year after we dedicated the church to the Branch Davidian Survivors. Alright thanks alot and God bless Mike Hanson here. You can knock on that front door of The Double Wide and the lady will open up the visitor center for you Hello! Hi!

CHAPTER 02 / 7 Discussion

Thunder Force Carpet Installation, Mount Carmel Church Project

Lorenzo Maldonado of Thunder Force, an Austin-based flooring company, describes the technical requirements for carpeting the new Branch Davidian church building. The project involves laying padding and 160 yards of red carpet across the main auditorium and side rooms. Maldonado estimates the three-man crew will complete the installation within five to six hours.

lorenzo maldonado· thunder force· austin· carpet installation· mount carmel

02:47 Hey, hey. Do you know who this is? You know that? It's one of these guys Right here, right here. This is my... You're from class 4, correct? Yeah Check it out

03:39 Well, I work for Thunder Force and we're going to start laying this padding underneath. We gotta do the carpet and this whole building is gonna take about 160 yards and we've gotta star doing the stack strip around it. Stack strip. We'll set it like so all the way around And then we're gonna lay the carpet this way. We gotta start bringing the carpet in a little while So my name is Lorenzo Maldonado and I work with Thunderfloors in Austin. And I have three guys on the crew, and we should be able to finish this project in about five hours or six hours maybe Thank you very much and hope you enjoy it God bless your health

04:45 I'm going to get the camera. It was myself and it's going to be about three or four weeks before we get back to Indianapolis. And I'm giving them, give these to him. I'll edit so if you mess up

CHAPTER 03 / 7 Discussion

Clive Doyle, Mount Carmel Memorial Service Logistics

Clive Doyle provides detailed driving directions to the Mount Carmel site from Austin via I-35 and Loop 340 for the upcoming April 19 memorial. He expresses satisfaction with the new carpeting, noting that it finishes the interior better than the previous plywood flooring. Doyle invites the public to visit the site and worship with the survivors during the anniversary events.

clive doyle· waco· mount carmel· memorial service· travel directions

06:29 How does it look, Farrar? It looks real great. I've just got here but they've done a pretty good job from what i can see and we really appreciate all the efforts that were made to donate money and people have come up and donated their time to put this in and uh... We're going to have it all finished as far as the carpet's concerned by the time we have our memorial and uh... we just like to invite everybody down there in Austin everywhere for that matter. To come and worship with us on April 19th, and if you need directions we can tell us how to get here from Austin. Well from Austin if you come up I-35 go all the way past Waco actually until you come to Loop 340 take a right

07:25 If you take a right off of the highway onto Loop 340 and you go about 2 miles east, actually it's kind of south. You'll go down a hill and there will be a farm road 2491 that goes off to the left And if you take that out about 8 miles you come to a fork, stay to the left About half a mile past the fork you see two blue water towers and you can take a left off of 2491 onto EE Ranch Road, and we're just another half mile on the right. How does this look from the time we started September 19th? What did you think when were digging these holes out here? Well I was glad to see something getting started but uh...I'm glad to see that the carpet in there it really makes the interior

08:20 It makes it look finished and a whole lot better than just the plywood floor. I think anybody who wants to know what it looks like oughta come and have a look at it! You think they'll finish today? They'll probably finish this section, but I'm not sure where they will get into the little ante rooms or... Probably won't do upstairs today but I think they will have the main auditorium finished Anything else you want tell people Clark? just that everybody's welcome to come up and visit with us. It may not be

CHAPTER 04 / 7 Discussion

Branch Davidian Memorial, Speakers and Musical Performers

Clive Doyle outlines the program for the 2001 memorial service, noting a shift toward a more low-key religious atmosphere rather than high-profile political speeches. The event features music from Thibodeau’s new band and singer CJ Harper, with Alex Jones scheduled as one of the primary speakers. Doyle confirms the auditorium can hold approximately 250 people, though the ceremonial bell will not be present this year.

alex jones· thibodeau· cj harper· memorial service· religious service

09:00 We may not have a big list of well-known speakers this year like we've had in the past, but a lot of people have wanted it to be... A little bit more low key and a little bit more along a religious type service. So that's what we're kind of aiming at this year. And we'll have some music and there will be some speakers Alex is going to be speaking a little bit and possibly a couple others but the rest is mostly strict memorial service for those who died and for those that are in prison. Two questions, are we going to have the bell this year? And how many people can we... How many chairs you're gonna have to fit in here? Well, we'll get as many chairs in here as we can probably hold 250 people or so and if they can't all sit down there's a beef standing room As far as the bell

09:57 I haven't made any arrangements to have the bell this year. We kind of alternate on that. Have it one year and then the next, and then we'll have it again but I haven't made any arrangements for the guy with the bell to bring it down this year And what's the music look like this year? Uh...we got Thibodeau He said he has a new band from last year. He is supposed to be bringing his band up Got a guy from California who will sing. CJ Harper gonna sing again Hopefully it'll be an enjoyable service. What about the new movie that's out? We've got a limited number of copies of Mike McNulty's new documentary, it's shorter than the other ones It's called The Flair Project we've looked at it and

CHAPTER 05 / 7 Discussion

Mike McNulty, The Flare Project Documentary Release

Clive Doyle discusses Mike McNulty's documentary, The Flare Project, which alleges a government cover-up regarding the events of April 19, 1993. The film claims to provide proof of gunfire and tank activity behind the Branch Davidian building, contradicting the official Danforth report. Survivors plan to screen portions of the documentary during the memorial service to provide attendees with evidence supporting their claims.

mike mcnulty· the flare project· danforth report· waco siege· documentary

10:55 The main thrust of it is, of course, exposing the fact that Danforth and the government are really covering up what actually went on behind the building here at the back on April 19th, 1993. There's definite proof that there were people out in the tanks and that people were shooting It's worth seeing. Like I said, it is not a very long documentary. It is not two hours or anything but if you are interested in the facts and want to have the material to back up talking with people and be able to prove what your saying then this would go a long way to backing you up being material that you could use We're going to show a little bit of it right now

11:44 We'll have this film on April 19th and we'll show some of it at least throughout the memorial service. And people get an idea of what it's about, Alex will probably have showed it before that on his program. Okay, once again Clive give us the times and dates and the location of where this memorial service is going to be held this year? The memorial service is going to be at Mount Carmel on Double E Ranch Road in Waco Texas

CHAPTER 06 / 7 Discussion

Mount Carmel Memorial Schedule, Post-Service Dinner Plans

Clive Doyle confirms the memorial service will take place at Mount Carmel on April 19, starting at 10:00 AM and concluding shortly after noon. While some suggested eating at the site, Doyle indicates that the group will likely follow tradition and dine at a restaurant in downtown Waco. The segment concludes with brief reflections on the site where the 1993 tragedy occurred.

mount carmel· waco· memorial service· clive doyle· double e ranch road

12:37 It's going to be starting at 10 o'clock in the morning, probably run through just a little bit after 12. And that'll be April 19th. This is Thursday we understand a lot of people probably have to work but it means so much to us and will take off and will be here. I know a lot of people are coming from out town so we expect a good gathering And after the memorial service will there be a dinner? There's been a couple of suggestions that we eat here but I think it'd probably be more convenient to go downtown like we've done in the past. But, uh...I don't know anything that's really gelled on that at this point. I'll get with the ladies and stuff this weekend and we'll decide for sure but i think its probably more convenient

13:29 to go down and eat at a restaurant somewhere. We'll make arrangements. Okay, Clive. Thanks a lot. God bless. Do you believe in it? No. It's not, it's a lie. That's I think some of their religion... But right here is where it happened

15:57 somebody died while you were standing 86 feet everywhere this one I think was higher up wasn't it? yeah We have an organization, it's only here in Gonzales. Somebody is trying to get by go back a little bit

CHAPTER 07 / 7 Discussion

Gonzales Association of Patriots, Community Charity Donation

Mike Hanson highlights the work of the Gonzales Association of Patriots, a non-profit organization that performs monthly charitable acts for residents in Gonzales, Texas. The group surprises an elderly resident named Peggy with a $100 donation to assist with her food and utility bills. Hanson mentions the organization's previous efforts in hurricane relief and provides a P.O. Box for those interested in donating to their cause.

gonzales association of patriots· mike hanson· gonzales texas· charity· hurricane relief

17:10 We have an organization here, a non-profit organization. It's Gonzalez Association of Patriots but every month we do something really good for some lucky person or people and when we had the hurricane down there boy did we that was a lot money! We usually don't go out of Gonzales but that was a little bit to see those people in the trailer parks and stuff really hurting and stuff...We went down there and helped them So, but we're gonna help a real nice elderly lady. She barely makes her bills Peggy so I know she's going to be appreciative of the $100 that we're gonna give her and so let's go over and surprise her We've already mowed your yards so she'll probably tell you thank you about that Here's what you get in this month

18:02 Oh, that's beautiful. It's by a word of God because I know you need help with your food and everything else so That's from the Gonzales Association Patriots We always try to do something good for somebody every single month. Love ya Mike! I love everybody. Thank you, thank you everybody! Buy what you want with it buy something nice once in a while. I love you much. Yeah. God bless you You know people donate money to us and that's how we get this money so if anybody wants to know more about our organization We're here in Gonzales Texas at P.O Box 481

18:43 Thank you all very much and God bless everybody that helps people around that are in need. God bless y'all, okay? Okay we'll see ya next time. to the new world order. We shall, we must and we will prevail because we're willing to stand up against what's happening God bless the republic and the United States.