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02:39 The best and most comprehensive book on bohemian grove, it's written by Mike Hanson my old camera guy Towards the war on drugs in their obsession with controlling substances. Well they do this more than just narcotics They do it for just about just about anything Any class of substance that can be sold from wood to building materials and tonight we're going to talk about yet another class that I barely knew existed until earlier this week, and that is refrigerant. And of course

03:19 There's refrigerants been around for many, many years but it has gone through sequences. Different chemicals they make advances that come up with refrigerants that are more efficient and these refrigerants of course run your AC in your car presumably refrigerants that might work in your refrigerator Something that makes an air conditioner work. Anything that makes an air conditioner, it's the fluid. It is the working fluid by expanding and contracting it either absorbs heat out of your house or pushes it out in the back or you can possibly... And it just cycles and cycles in your AC but the chemicals used there which I always thought was freon has been changing evolving over the years

03:57 And tonight we're learning that the old class of chemicals is now prohibited by the government and a new class of chemicals is now being forced upon us. Now, Phil you know a lot about this what's so interesting about this particular problem now? Why the change and why has this changed such a burden on the normal population Well, what happened is in May House Bill 2025 was brought into effect in September of this year. September 1st of this year it became law and what it did was outlawed the use of a flammable gas as a refrigerant in your car. So this is a Texas law that you're speaking of not the federal law thats already outlawed? This is a Texas Law EPA actually allows for

04:51 a flammable refrigerant to be used as the second generation drop-in to replace the new HFC 134A. Texas law has banned it. As of September 1st, it is banned from use The reason why came into existence KI 42 got a wild hair up their butt Came up with the tape that showed that if you released enough of this into the passenger compartment Of a car and ignited it It would blow out the windows and would blow out the back of the door So what a can of Hairspray wouldn't it? so would virtually anything If you think about it If you have compressed natural gas and it somehow leaked into the passenger compartment of your car, it would do the exact same thing. It's the exact same type of substance as a flammable petroleum liquid. What was it made of? Now... The old flammable stuff was...? Well no, the stuff that used to be in your car is called R12 or CFC-12 They outlawed it because of ozone depletion and because of global warming They brought in HFC 134A

05:52 which was their new replacement for it. and have promoted it. The EPA has promoted it, the state of Texas is promoting that. A company- several different companies one that happens to be in Idaho came out with a petroleum derivative It's 30% more efficient than the new HFC 134A which means that our cars our homes our refrigerators would use less energy would take less wear and tear on the compressor we could actually do the work on any of those items ourselves. Is this the product that you're talking about? Well, this happens to be just one of the products. Does it cost a lot more or... Actually right now you're looking at $40 per pound of HFC-134A to have it put in a car. You are looking anywhere between 40 and 80 dollars plus labor to actually put it in my car doesn't get anymore I can afford okay so let me get straight there was

06:49 there was a whole bunch of stuff that used to work in the car that got outlawed because of theories regarding global warming. And this happened a long time ago, then that stuff has stayed in your car but we have then had a genuine breakthrough in the chemistry of these coolants and that is this stuff here which happens to be flammable but would be a good replacement because it's more efficient and lower price But now they're no longer allowing this stuff because although it's more efficient a lower price. It is presumably according to this report Right, and it's junk science. If you were to dump the equivalent amount of R12 or HFC-134a into the compartment of a car if that car were to sit all day long with R12 in it and you stepped into the car one R12 or CFC 12 is odorless and colorless You wouldn't know what was in your car until you'd be hit by phosgene gas because sunlight breaks down R12

07:51 into phosgene and other components. So you would be basically breathing a nerve agent HFC 134a if you walked into the car is odorless and colorless again with the equivalent amount that they were using as an example on KI-42 If you stepped in, had a lit cigarette billet cigarette would convert the HFC-134a into hydrofluoric acid, which would virtually destroy your lungs and could potentially damage the mucous membranes of your eyes, your mouth, your nose and so on. That's the stuff that they're forcing us to use? That's the stuff that EPA has mandated it has to be converted over...that we converted over too And the state is promoting it and promoting DuPont by giving them an absolute monopoly on refriginants So you're saying this product

08:40 cost a fraction of what the state is requiring us to buy, it works more efficiently and yet the state is outlawed. Right now it's just the states right so if I have a license from and five at license plate from another state and come into Texas with this in my car am I okay? Actually, no. Because the use of it in your vehicle is outlawed. Interesting now here's the important point that I really...I mean this is so common for a government policy especially when you're talking about these kind of issues Coolant, this type of coolant is a complicated well semi-complicated chemical system and it's potentially dangerous. Anything that's not basically nitrogen and oxygen which is what the air is more or less dangerous for people I mean its just the way it is you want to be breathing nitrogen and oxygen anything else is dangerous so the question is this a little bit more dangerous than that? I agree with you we are talking about

09:39 epsilons and deltas of difference between danger levels that are totally subjective. And to make a distinction between one brand and another based on the kind of reporting that you're describing is fundamentally absurd. Now, there are truly cases where some things are really dangerous and it's good to get rid of them This is certainly not one of them. No, and actually this can right here costs about $9 a can it would take about a little over two cans you're looking at less than fifty dollars for you to replace the refrigerant You could do it yourself, you wouldn't be required... ...you wouldn't have to have some AC technician to do the job And its mandated if you actually released either R12 or HFC-134A into the atmosphere you violated the Clean Air Act

10:32 for the United States. Do you want to speculate on why the state might have taken this action? I'll throw one out. Tell me about this bill, yes. For a long time Freon was a patented substance and a patent holder can obtain extra profits from the holding of a patent and when that patent was expired Well, anybody in the world can make Freon and the price of Freon went down to where there wasn't very much profit left in it. And some people speculate that the people who made Freon or the people who make the replacement product went through some state legislators and said hey let's pass a law to take Freon off the market and that way only our new

11:19 patented substance which we can make a huge profit on will be allowed to be on the market. Do you subscribe to that theory? I think there's some validity to that theory, and also think there is validity of why people want to maintain it on the market It takes a lot of money to convert cars over to the new HFC 134A. It is not a drop-in replacement Really! It is corrosive to the air conditioner that you have They would have to tear down the compressor all the hoses and o-rings in the vehicle, and put new ones in that would not disintegrate with the new HFC 134A. If anyone out there has ever had, has in the last two years, had HFC 134A put into their vehicle I guarantee you that it's leaking right now And your air conditioner is not working. I have a alternative theory although I do have deep respect for the preserve the patent wealth theory

12:14 Another theory is the following, and this is not uncommon for government. They get on a kick – a real responsive kick if this test that was done by this show – you watch it, see the video, see the car explode – if it moves people then government sometimes, it's strange about government. Sometimes it responds so slow doesn't do anything that's the way libertarians like it but sometimes it responds rapidly for no good reason and its caught up in the wave of pseudoscience or junk science, or it's caught up in the reactionary wave and irrational wave. Another example is getting Internet in the classroom. Sometimes there's a wave of campaign money. Well all that from...well that's your theory right? And I am looking that up. That is the alternative theories that are motivated by profit but I wouldn't be surprised if in addition

13:09 Or differently from that, it's motivated by just this crazy reactionism to pseudoscience. And like I was going to present the example of getting the internet in a classroom—a totally useless idea for educating our children because if you've been on the net you know there is a lot better to be spent learning math and learning how to read, and doing some normal things. But everybody's got this in their head that the internet has gotta be in everybody's classroom And the government responds like a rocket I think the goverment is jumping the gun here too There are just too many chemicals, too many classes...and you know what happened with the airbags The day on the airbags, remember that thing? That whole fiasco. They forced people to put it into their car. Then of course they had spontaneous airbag inflations and then they learned that kids were getting killed by the airbags and now you have the option to turn your airbag off. It just gets more and more ugly all the time. What do airbags fill with, by the way? I have no idea. Here's a quick one for you if you're an environmentalist

14:12 The hydrocarbons are a non ozone depleting, non global warming item. It saves money because if I estimated that for my home with two vehicles and if I switch my AC over and I switched my refrigerator over I'd save about $452 dollars a year just on electrical in the maintenance cost of maintaining those items And on top of everything else They're restraining trade. They're basically saying we get to determine what gets to be trade here in Texas, back and forth between people, they could outlaw you going down and actually getting one of the tanks for welding with because that's a refrigerant. And it would be covered under that type of law. You could use that exact gas in your air conditioner and it would cool better than the HFC or R12 but...and it could be outlawed

15:07 Let's go to the phone. We have one caller here who has been waiting to talk to us Hello, hello caller you're on the air? So let me see if I understand this right... New package refrigerant that basically is propane which is a liquefied gas correct? No I do not. I use it, I've been using it for about two years. I got upset when I found out that two years ago it would have cost me almost $500 to get my air conditioner converted over to the new refrigerant and or it would have cost me almost 150 dollars at that time 2 years ago get my system recharged. You're a customer, you're just a pure consumer right? No I do not have no fiduciary interest in this particular item itself This is not just propane this is propane and butane and they used to use this in refrigerants prior to 1965 until they came up with R12 or CFC 12 We are just concerned citizens

16:06 Go ahead, Colin. Okay so basically this is one of those refrigerants out there that has not been allowed under the EPA SNAP program right? Actually it has been allowed under the EPA SNAP program. The EPA SNAP program says you cannot use it in a vehicle that was designed for R12 but you may use it in a vehicle for HFC 134a Okay, that's what I was trying to figure out. And then you're also obviously upset because of the fact that the legislature passed a rule last session that will be the responsibility of the Railroad Commission, that says you basically can't use this as a refrigerant in automobiles. Right? Exactly. Okay. How do you feel about it, Collin? Well I mean personally I think its a responsible thing simply because there was a lot

17:01 the use of liquified, flammable liquefied compressed gases as a refrigerant back in the 40s and 50s. And they blew up a lot of stuff. And then that was one of the reasons that one of the refrigerants came out but then you talk about some of the junk science And the problem is that industry responded and said, okay we're going to make a great refrigerant that's not flammable. It has got very low toxicity and then all of sudden some other group of scientists says nope it depletes the whole ozone layer so were going to flip back 40 years and now were back to... Right? So you are worried actually about the last transition we had here The last rule that was made That outlawed the other stuff because of the so called global warming hole in the ozone theory

17:43 So if you had your draw, you'd go way back in time. I mean way before this issue and reverse that ruling and then we get the chemicals that everybody likes back? Is that right? Yeah, that's what I'm shooting for. Is this more efficient than those earlier generation chemicals that were banned by ozone? Yes 30% more efficient. He is saying this stuff is even better than that! And that's true but it's flammable. Whenever you stick inside of a compressor And you begin to compress it, there's a phenomena called adiabatic compression where you can compress something to the point where it heats up. My concern is with any refrigeration system or compressor that if you put a flammable gas in there

18:27 and you get an upset with that compressor, and it over compresses it. And you end up with adiabatic compression the gas ignites and then the amount of damage is calculable but I don't know what it is Our claim, of course is that's a rare occurrence. And it's a fair risk. That's an interesting statement to say what is the fair risk because risk is a function of two things frequency and consequence in other words risk is going to happen or risk is you're going to have so many events then its gonna have certain consequences. The consequence is nothing more than the vehicle burning well maybe that's an acceptable consequence

19:10 If the consequence, however is that you get somebody that's injured or somebody gets killed... Yeah and your passengers don't know. I mean are your passengers going to have to ask? Are using the compressed flammable stuff? I don't want to drive in your car if you are! That's a good point. You know other people besides yourself driving these cars. Well there has been research done it's been done down in Australia Flashpoint for any of the hydrocarbons is right around 1630 degrees Fahrenheit. place down in Australia that did the research on it says that's classified as non-flammable. Anything that is over 1390 degrees Fahrenheit, this is a part of the mine systems down there, is classified as a non-flammable because would take quite a bit to actually ignite this type of hydrocarbon to actually cause

20:06 flare up. This is a flammable, it is not an explosive and that's the way that KI had presented it that it was an explosive It's not. It's just like butane or...it is butane and propane That's all it is. Let me ask you this because you bring up an interesting point because your citing Australian regs Please please be real quick caller we got to move on But please make your point The point of it is my question is whenever I buy a case Is there a Department of Transportation placard that says it's a flammable gas on that carton? Absolutely. Yeah, so there you go You've got a flammable gas if you're doing it and you can cite all the Australian regs you want But it's still a flammable gas The material has an auto-ignition temperature between 600 to 800 degrees depending upon how you blend it because you've got a liquefied compressed gas No, hey The auto ignition temperature is 1630 degrees Hey thank you very much Carla That was sick He made up a very valid point however

21:00 Risk is a complicated issue. It is a combination of probability and expectation value. As I pointed out before, we buy flammable gases all the time if you buy some hairspray at the store you're bringing home a can exactly like that with flammable gas in it And of course we have to send type of risk because anyone out there using compressed natural gases as fuel for their vehicle That is a risk right there. That's the same type of substance, but yet they did not outlaw using that to fuel your car. Yes, what kind of chilling effect does the new refrigerant... Well it's an interesting

21:40 I don't know. You might have been quick on the gun there. I really doubt it. The interesting thing that... Do you want to go ahead and answer that question anyway? I didn't hear what the question actually was. There's a joke there, but... Caller are you on the air? Hey there fellas how ya doing? Yes sir. Yeah I'd like to participate in the conversation tonight by asking if there is any chance Sorry about that. Let me get this turned down a little bit. I guess what I'd like to ask is, your promotional is live and let live can you elaborate on that just a little bit? I'm new to Austin and... Okay yeah I'm putting the call on hold um the idea of this uh the idea here

22:27 in the context of our conversation is should we be allowed to choose what kind of stuff to put in our vehicle? And the question really is can we really, really understand the risk very well and it seems to me that this is very rapid, very cursory information about this kind of change and that the government's just moving way too fast. It shouldn't be moving at all. This a classic argument of should government does government have jurisdiction in this kind of area. We do have one other feature I would like to get too we want to get to our new weekly feature called the conspiracy corner and

23:07 Vince May will be directing this feature, this week at least. And the conspiracy for us all to discuss this week is the Amtrak crash that we heard so much about a long time ago. This was about two years ago in October of 95'. You might recall having seen on the nightly news a train derailed in Arizona And I don't remember what the casualty count was. There weren't a whole lot of people on the train, I guess but... It was a big wreck though? It was kind of spectacular wreck and at that time the government released some information about what they knew about the wreck They had found a letter it was done very professionally Somebody had separated the tracks to make sure that the train would derail and since there is a system An electrical system running through the tracks

23:56 To detect that in advance and prevent derailments, they had connected a wire on each of the separated tracks to make that connection secure and defeat the protective mechanism. So this was not an accident. Somebody did it on purpose and the government at the time said that they had found a letter at the scene of the crash, the person who did this left and he identified himself as a member of the Sons of the Gestapo, right-wing militia group Well, last week a couple days ago the FBI was sending a fax from its office to the US Attorney's Office in Phoenix. And this is in the Dallas Morning News on Thursday and the fax accidentally went out too many news organizations it went through some newspapers and TV and other news outlets that were not supposed to get it

24:54 And the facts said that essentially, the FBI knows who derailed the train. He is described as a political liberal. He's a former law enforcement person. It brings some questions up. Why is the FBI letting people get away with train derailments? And seemingly, in some of the bombing episodes that government has involvement. The World Trade Center bombing, the FBI certainly we know put up the money and taught those people how to make the bomb There's a grand jury studying the Oklahoma bombing to see what the government's involvement was in that. And they certainly were involved, we just don't know the extent of it yet so the conspiracy corner question of the day... How far are we going let the FBI go in blowing up America before we do something about it? All right well thank you very much Vince Let's see if we can get one or two of these callers before we close out today Caller on the air quickly

25:56 Yeah, hi. I'd like to discuss the chilling effect. Caller you're on the air? Yes ma'am. The law about owning Freon go ahead Phil why don't you let this Actually, the law doesn't actually dictate the owning of it. It dictates the use of it so if you actually connect up the can of refrigerant to your car at that point your committing a class B misdemeanor which in this case could be up to $1,000 fine and six months in jail. And there's a stiff tax on it also. Caller? Caller, you have ten seconds.

26:40 I'm not obviously, I'm not screening my calls this week. Caller you're on the air? Caller? Okay, so this is our... we're coming to the very close of the show. Phil I want to thank you for coming in today This is a little issue that just sort of creeps up and accumulates over time You know this happens today And then another one happens and-and the laws on the books The tax laws! This happens with the tax laws. You get a new little law and eventually ten years later You can't even wade through it That woman had good question gee I own Freon what's the law about owning Freon? It's confusing and it does, it is needlessly confusing because a lot of these things are just pointless or conspiratorial. Well thank you for tuning in this week and take charge of your life or somebody else will!

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