Live And Let Live Radio John Bush & Catherine Bleish On APD Bully Cop Jason Mistric (AKA Max Rock) [IBXlGvx8kE0]

00:00 You are listening to the Logos Radio Network. LogosRadionetwork.com In this hour we're going to be talking with John Bush and he has been with Texans for Accountable Government but John is now with Lone Star Smart their website is LonestarSmart.net John Busch welcome to Live A Lit Live Hey thanks for having me on So, John what is Lone Star Smart? Lone Star SMART is a Central Texas Mutual Aid Response Team. SMART stands for Sovereign Mutual Aid Response Team, and essentially it's a group of individuals who are committing themselves to aiding one another in the event that they get into trouble or in the event that they fall victim to the coercive arm of the state. It's essentially a mutual aid society for liberty-minded individuals

00:58 okay and your website is lone star smart dot net what is on that website on the website you'll find some press releases and some blog posts about some of the activities we've been involved in in the past week helped to organize some of the fast-track but aid relief uh... that ran a brave new books right now i'm working to launch the loan start liberty bell which will be a really big at tool uh... that monster smarts can be providing it's essentially an alert system where you call a phone number and you leave a message, and that message is sent via email or text message to everybody that's subscribed at the network. So if you're pulled over by police officer if you see a speed trap for checkpoints uh... if your need of any type of aid you call this number and that the community will come to the rescue

01:48 They come to the rescue, what do they do? Is it the cavalry? For example if you're pulled over just at a typical traffic stop as your pulling over you would call the Lone Star Liberty Bell leave a short message for example this is John Bush I just got pulled over at the corner of Guadalupe and 12th Street. The police officer's approaching the car if somebody could come with a camera I'd appreciate the accountability And then once the network grows large enough, the idea is that the people that get the message in the area will show up and start filming so as to provide a disincentive for the police officer to step out of line and abuse the person he pulled over. Okay, if people want to get involved with Lone Star Smart do they just go to lonestarsmart.net or

02:34 pass an initiation or what is it? How does it work? Originally we had a paid membership for the project but we decided just to scrap that and just run it all volunteer based. But yeah, if people are interested in joining the network you can just go to the website LoneStarSmart.net and then click on contact and send a message if you want to get involved there's also a tab In Need of Mutual Aid If There Is A Problem That Anybody Is Experiencing In Their Lives especially a problem with government uh... just give us that give us a call or give us an email and we can see about uh... helping out with any resources are any advice we have there's also pretty active face book group lone star smart on face book you can just search for that as to join the facebook group

03:20 Okay, and we'll be talking about Facebook a little bit more in the hour John. Now another thing that you're involved with is the Lone Star Liberty Beat which can be heard on Texas Liberty Radio TXLR dot net Can you tell us what the Lone Star Liberty beat is? Yeah, Lone Star Liberty Beat is essentially a weekly news service. It's a six minute update on Central Texas liberty news as well as activist events that are taking place Myself I do the news section and then Matt Wood he's a local Haasan activist Ron Paul activists did a lot of work with We Are Change He's one of the correspondents Robert Love is a correspondent. He's a local correspondent. He's a local Liberty activist

04:04 And Clay Defoe also, who's running for mayor. He does some really great work about some local Austin issues and then Heather Fazio every week gives an update on a few of the events and occurrences that activists in the Central Texas area if they're looking to get involved in the local liberty movement that they can take part in. The other folks are correspondents. They do little journalistic pieces from a minute to a minute-and-a-half oftentimes interviewing public officials I break down the previous week's news and stuff that is coming up. It seems to be a really big hit, a lot of people appreciate having that information out there they might not have gotten the details about what is going on with the cause of liberty in Central Texas without the Lone Star Liberty Beat News Service

04:49 All right, and again people can hear that here in Austin on TXLR.net I guess they hear it anywhere in the world on the TXLR.net That's a Texas Liberty Radio and It's during the broadcast day right John? Yeah, I'm thinking it's airing every morning at 6 a.m., and then sometimes at 10, and then sometimes at 5 o'clock, and then a few other times throughout the day. It usually plays once or at least twice, sometimes three times. And it's also found at LonestarLibertyBeat.com. You'll be able to find transcripts of all the stories as well as archives from the previous week's shows.

05:33 Okay, LoneStarLibertyBeat.com Alright well John you know the reason that you're here though is to talk about some other activism of yours and I guess we'll kind of tell this story chronologically if i understand the story begins on December 4th and you were in downtown Austin Texas and you were with Matthew Medina, I believe. He's a co-host here on this network on Wednesday night of Truth Exposed Radio and you and he were going down the street taking pictures, I believe, of the police in action is that right?

06:15 Yeah, that's pretty close to what happened. You know we weren't there intending to do any activism We were down there to enjoy ourselves our friend Danny Panzella from New York City with a TruthSquad TV he was down there with us as well and And, uh you know we were hanging out at a bar. We saw friends rest of- friends band play at Antone's and then we were walking down 6th Street and we walked across two police officers that were leaning up against their squad car as police officers often do on Sixth Street. And as I often do, I ask them partially jokingly, You guys working hard tonight?

06:51 And officer Jason Mistrick, badge number 4856 replies to me something along the lines of we could be working a lot harder if you want us to. To which I replied excuse me? I don't understand what what do you mean by that are you implying that your gonna arrest me or roughed me up because i'm asking questions says, move on down the line get out of our face boy and at this point my friends pull me to the side he's like come on you know we're here to enjoy ourselves let's just go party so we start walking down 6th street and uh... officer mistrick and his partner are following us it appears. And then they stopped to take a picture with the young scantily clad woman who was there party going and I doubled back and took a picture of the officers posing with the young lady

07:37 to which Mistrick responded by approaching me and grabbing my arm rather firmly, and telling me that he needs to...that I need to stop following them and harassing them. And I replied, uh, you're the one grabbing MY arm! And that came up to ME. Uh we had a little exchange of words. I told him to take his arm off of me. He's assaulting me. Didn't appreciate what he was doing said to go on about your business so then we're walking down the road and I realize i need to go back and get this guy's badge number in his name so i can report it, so i can contact Chief Acevedo. We have a working relationship and intended to tell him that I did actually text him that one of his officers put his hands on me assaulted me So as were going back to get the uh... badge number and name of this officer who assaulted me broke the law

08:29 uh... we see a the drunk getting hassled by other police officers and we see officer mystery cruiser downtown bike beat he's a bicycle officer we see him driving out riding over to the uh... today to the drug that was being has sold so i decided to go film induce some cop watching slash cop blocking uh... to ensure that officer mister it is obviously on a authority trip, power trip to make sure they didn't abuse anybody else as I was just abused by him before. So I walk up approach the person that was being hassled along with Matt Medina and Danny Panzella both met and I were recording

09:11 I come, I don't know how many feet i was twelve feet away lean up against the wall begin to record. Mistrick shows up on his bike and immediately walks up to me and says that im interfering with him and says you need to go stand on the other side of that pole and points to an arbitrary point an arbitrary line says you need to go stand on their side of the police say do you think i'm interfering with you or not he says you need to stay behind another side of the police starts counting these counts five times go to the other side of the poll After the first couple times that he asked, I said alright fine we're going to comply. I start backing up tell them I'm only complying with you because you have a gun on your hip and you're threatening us. I continue to back up, back up all the way to the other side of the pole at which point the officer arrests Matt Medina and then i begin telling him how pathetic he is for doing this and uh... telling me that acting outside his authority we're behind the poll and he then proceeds to arrest me Danny Panzella takes both our cameras records the arrest

10:09 uh... messages text messages the chief let's know what's going on and both men man i end up spending that night in jail and charged with a failure to comply with lawful order even though we did comply and the order was unlawful right we will get into that in a lot of detail john were coming up on a break here but i want understand this the The crucial incident that you just described at the end there, there were a couple of police officers other than Mistrick who were doing something with somebody. You say it appeared to be a drunk and you were taking pictures of those police officers is that right?

10:50 Yes, we walked up and there was a intoxicated person sitting on the curb. And there were two officers dealing with that person and I began filming this altercation that was going on. Mistrick was approaching and just rolled up on his bike at this point. So he didn't have anything to do with what you were taking pictures of? No but the first thing that came out of his mouth was I was interfering with him even though i was not even... What what were you taking pictures with uh... with my cell phone i was taking video with my smartphone and then mpn was meant to taking pictures with his cell phone yes alright and uh... so that's what the situation is here folks and we will go into more detail about this which on bush who is a with uh... lone star liberty bill and uh... there's no certain liberty beat

11:41 I'm sorry, dot com. And he's going to be telling us more about this incident about how he was arrested He is also going to tell us about the police officer harassing him and his partner on Facebook What we're talking now is an incident that begins on December 4th 2011 This is, I guess it's after 1 o'clock in the morning Is that right John? Yes. So you were on 6th Street and as you were explaining to us, uh... You've got your cell phone out and you're taking pictures of the police just doing whatever it is they're doing. Uh..You mentioned this being cop watching This is like cop watch the organization right?

12:31 Yeah, there's an organization called Cop Watch. There is also one called Cop Block which is a little more... I don't know how you would describe it compared to Cop Watch They're a little more of a libertarian bent and want to replace police altogether which i guess cop watch does too but uh... yes an organization and agassi some for now to cop watching a cop blocking so i was engaging in the activity of cop watching with the purpose of holding police accountable and deterring them from abusing citizens as you said before the break here You and Matthew Medina and Danny, I forgot his last name. What is again? Danny Pansela that panzella We're just walking down the street on 6th Street And first this police officer Jason mistrick gives you a hard time but then you're just taking pictures with your cell phone and You're taking pictures of two police officers

13:29 officers who are with someone who appears to be a drunk and this Jason Mistrick, the Austin police officer comes up out of nowhere and starts telling you to stop taking pictures although you weren't taking pictures of him. Yes he said I was interfering with what he was doing uh... which is obvious that he was interfering with what i was doing which is how i plan to respond next time an officer tells me i'm interfering with what they're doing you're interfering with what i'm doing excuse me But yeah, that's exactly what happened. He was off in the peripheral just showing up to the scene and immediately approached me to say that I was interfering with what he was doing. I don't even think he said I was interfering with those two officers were doing And whats interesting is as i was walking backwards there was actually a couple who were sitting closer than I was

14:19 whenever I was arrested, much closer than I was on the other side of the pole. There was a couple between the altercation between the suspect, the intoxicated suspect and the pole that I was sent to and obviously if he was so concerned perhaps you would ask them to leave too Now, you said that Matthew Medina was actually arrested first. Matthew Medina is a co-host of Truth Exposed Radio here on Wednesday nights on the Logos radio network He was arrested first Is that right? Yes And the charge was... Failure to comply with lawful order which is a city ordinance violation So it doesn't even carry the weight of law

15:03 and the lawful order was go stand over there. The lawful order that he verbalized was, Go stand on the other side of the pole however in the criminal complaint as well as the affidavit he wrote that night He says that he told me and Matt to leave- he told me to leave the area which is different from going to stand on the other side of that pole And the difference is? uh... well the difference is if you told me to leave the area that's a little more general than standing beside the poll and it's a little more easy to prove that i refuse to stand at least the area because areas in defined however if he still order is to stand on the other side of the pole and i can demonstrate which i can't say that i did stand on the other side of the poll it's easier to poke holes in their argument that i failed to comply with your in then you can also course go against

15:56 the fact that it wasn't even a lawful order because I was in public. Let me ask you about that, you're saying this is not a lawful order? You say that you were not interfering with police officers he wasn't...this Jason Mistrick wasn't doing anything he actually came towards you so your arguing that you weren't interfering with any thing to begin with i take it No, and if what I was doing is constituted as interfering then i would recommend to Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo that he sends some of his officers back for more training because if a police officer isn't able to carry out their duties with someone peacefully standing twelve feet away uh... again on exactly how many feet it was but it's pretty far while recording then maybe they're not capable of being a peace officer

16:41 Well, it just seems to me I'll just give my own opinion here. If he can tell you to stand a certain distance away, I could understand him say if you were really close or if you're like in between them, I could see how he would say you're interfering if you really were interfering but if he can say move away any police officer, it seems to me could give a demand that's just unreasonable and say well, I gave you an order Precisely, and there is an affirmative defense written into the city code that says it's an affirmative defense if the order given was unlawful.

17:20 All right, now John this happened in December and it's now March. And I take it that this past week you were finally your cases to get slowly working its way through the courts at you and Matthew Medina's case is working his way through the courts. There was some sort of hearing that was scheduled. I believe it was for Thursday the 8th March 8th Is that right? Yes, this was a pretrial hearing on emotion that Matt and I had put in. That was emotion to dismiss for improper notice that rule of law's Eddie Craig provided us some guidance on and we put that motion in at the downtown Austin Community Court which is this quasi-fiat local court that deals with their jurisdiction as the downtown area and they also deal with transients that get in trouble

18:14 and we went there in a of attempted to force it not guilty plea down our throat on multiple occasions even though we uh... expressed to them specifically that we weren't there to enter a plea because they had yet to establish subject matter jurisdiction in the end number of reasons uh... so they went ahead and punted us over to the municipal court where we had a hearing assets to go over at thats motion All right, so that was the motion. Then was this just your hearing or was this Matty Medina's and your hearing? Mine was at 2 o'clock his is it his was a 330 and it just so happens that we're both having hearings at two o'clock I think on April 12th

18:57 All right, so both you and Matthew are there for these hearings. You're in the courtroom, you're in the hallway and you say that the hearings basically was anything decided or they just punted? Yeah, the hearings were rather uneventful outside of the prosecutors who are always such weasels in these high dollar suits their total weasels They were, the only news to report about the hearing was that they made it seem as if because we were asking to have another hearing in the future. We're both going to take on legal counsel and have more motions to file based on some more of the errors that they've made and some constitutional questions

19:43 and the prosecutors try to say like they think we've had ample time to find an attorney but you can easily counter-argue that by saying how are they to decide what's ample time for me it's entirely subjective, ya know? You don't know what my life is yadda yadda yadda so that was a pain in the butt uh... that the prosecutors I don't see why i would be in their interest regardless either way but yeah hearing was uneventful. We both got our uh... hearings of our motion uh... here pre-trial con hearings risk rescheduled reset for april twelfth but what really was exciting was what happened afterwards and was you know pretty wild and weird and strange and scary

20:19 Okay, well we have a little over a minute before the break here John. So can you just kind of tease us and then you can tell us after the break what happened as I understand it? You and your partner Catherine Bleich are in the hallway there with Matthew Medina and others and something happened Yes, Catherine and Matt were sitting on a bench next to each other and Mistrick comes out and chats for second I think with one of the prosecutors. They're all buddy-buddy And then after he chats with somebody He strolls casually past Catherine and then turns to face her and looks down at the empty spot on The bench next to her

21:07 and he tosses a folded piece of paper, four sheets of paper folded in half next to it. And maybe on the other side of the break we can tell you what was on those pages. This is very strange and apparently Mr. Mistrick has been on Facebook lately We're talking with John Bush and your listening to Live & Let Live on the Locos Radio Network I'm Gary Johnson In addition to John Bush is John Bush's significant other, his partner, Catherine Bleich. Catherine welcome to Live and Let Live! Hi thank you for having me So I guess Catherine why don't you just tell us? You can pick up the story where John left it off he's...you and Matthew and others are out in a hallway here for these hearings And this police officer

22:01 does something. Yes, the hearing had just let out and we had walked out into the hallway I sat next to Matt on the bench and all these people were kind of pouring out of the courtroom so it was kind of a bustling moment and i looked up and I saw officer Mistrick standing right in front of me but facing my left as if he was walking by but he kinda paused in his walk And I took that moment to say, oh it's the bully cop. And he stared at the bench that was right next to me for a couple seconds and then just sat down this paper and walked off

22:42 And Mamadina and I kind of turned and looked at each other, we were like what is that? And in my head I was thinking it's surely like a printout of the court docket or what courtroom to go to or something like that. So I didn't think much of it until I picked it up and I look down and see my Facebook screen name, my old one Voluntarious Love Of Freeman which Facebook has since made me change And I look down and see that, and my face circled. And then I see my name circled. My heart just starts pounding. We show Matt, we both jump up and grab John. Then we hand the paper off to John, he started showing it to his attorney, and then we followed the officer down the hallway. At this point, he had walked into a door that said employees only.

23:37 I don't know, quite a ways down the hallway from him like 50 feet or more. He was going through the door and I said, what is that paper you left next to me? And he turned around. He said it's trash and then the door shut behind him as we were asking It's you know, it's my Facebook page. Why why do you have my Facebook page are you threatening me or you stalking me in The doors shuts behind him and then he comes back like 30 seconds later and he says actually You're not supposed to be back here get out of here Get out of here and starts like pointing similarly similarly to how he directed John out of the area And he turns to the prosecuting attorney who were in a little office inside the hallway and demanded that they kick us out, which at this point.

24:21 Somebody turned on a video camera, so there is video of the end of this little situation and then he turns around and runs out. Well the prosecutors of course you know they don't have authority to make us leave we don't leave they call law enforcement up and they all go back in the chit chats and basically they shut a door To the back area as we couldn't see what was going on? And You know, they didn't kick us out. We weren't doing anything wrong and the police chief happened to be there so we spoke with him. Okay before we get to the police chief here Catherine let's look at that in a moment So this police officer Jason Mistrick hands you printouts from your Facebook account or your Facebook

25:09 page and it includes comments. I believe you said that it has your name next to your screen name, your real name next to your screen name? Explain that he wrote it down I believe Yes on Facebook my screen name was Voluntarist Lova Freeman and one of the screenshots that he took It was a video I had posted of John and Matt getting arrested He circled a spot where I was commenting that someone had sent John the officer's address and he put a star next to that. And then he put a little dash to the side and wrote my name, Catherine Bleich

25:53 Then, as you scroll or I guess not scroll. It's scanned now we've scanned it onto the computer but as i flip through the pages you'll see that he circled several comments all of them had something to do with like Chris Nielsen who owns electric cabs He had said something about we have another common target its time to find a Walmart Find Walmart another security guard he is no fit to serve the public and so he took things that made it look like were trying to target him I want to ask you a little bit about this, Catherine. So this Facebook account... is this your personal account or what is this?

26:33 It's my more public one. It's one where I just basically post political things, not a lot of personal stuff So how did he... and so this is the part that i want people to know about How did Jason Mistrick get onto this? Is this something where he said, Jason Mistrick Austin Police Officer wants to be part of your Facebook account No, no. Okay so we didn't figure this out till we had gotten out to the car but on the last page of the four-page printout there was a screenshot of a bunch of comments left on some it doesn't show what they're being left on actually because he scrolled down into long chain of comments and it has

27:22 a username maxrock commenting me responding and then showing the blank place to write another comment and having Max Rock's username or avatar photo next to that. He circles that, and then puts in quotes Max Rotowski or Rocketowski it is from Madmax which we later figured out I had never seen it or even heard of So I had been talking to this individual, Max Rock on Facebook. After John and Matt were arrested and after Antonio were arrested this account started commenting on people who are discussing the arrests And he messaged me it was kind of a weird message starts out with you know is do you know about Google's new privacy policy? Tell your husband John that's a nice name

28:18 And so, and you believe that before we go on Catherine this person who identified himself as Max Rock at this point. He's just some guy you later figure out he's a police officer. Yeah, some people started feeling like he was a police officer because of the comments he was making and how they were only surrounding arrests that were taking place. And so I thought okay well he's already messaged me i'm going to try and get some information from him So I responded and tried to get him divulge information about himself and he started doing this weird thing where suddenly pretend to be his brother and say, my brother's not going to log on here anymore. He was staying at our house and we have different political views." And this is when I believe he was actually speaking in the voice of Jason Mistrick and he would talk about how you know, I disagree with my brother's activism and he's one of you guys and you know, he's not gonna be allowed use this computer anymore and we kicked him out of the house

29:16 And I'm like, okay this is weird. You know? And then he would switch back and be like hey sorry about my brother and then as...I don't know it was just this weird back-and-forth split personality thing where he would pretend to be two different people at the same time. And then Jason Mistrick, the law enforcement officer you know he hands me the printout showing that he was logged in as Max Rock Then Heather Fazio sends me a copy of the chat that she's had with him where he mentions his own name, Jason Mistrick. He refers to Heather about Jason Mistrick and says that he has Navy experience and so he is telling all of us representing himself

29:54 As this new out of towner, new to Austin. Yet he knows about Art Acevedo He knows about Officer Mistrick He knows about all these local intimate details in Austin that only a pretty involved activist would even know about So Catherine I want to make sure you understand this You are saying that you believe someone identifying himself as Max Rock was pretending to be someone other than Jason Mistrick but really was Jason Mistrick Yes Okay We are coming up on a break here and I will ask you to explain more about this and give them more details about this. We're talking with John Bush and Catherine Bleich, they are both activists her in Austin And they'r telling us how this Austin police officer seems to be using fake ID on Facebook

30:46 and posting strange messages involving Katherine Bleich and John Bush, and others. And, Catherine you were telling us a little bit about this identity that Max Rock is different from Jason Mistrick. You were saying that he pretends to be his brother Do you know if Jason Mistrick has a brother? It's not that he is pretending to be Jason's brother No, he says that Max Rock is actually named John And he goes back and forth pretending to be John or John's brother. Not John Bush, but a different John

31:28 He says that his name is John and that John was a trucker, and John's brother was putting him up because he was down on his luck. And when John's brother found out that John was an activist, he kicked him out! But he saw John's internet history—and excuse the baby noises in the background, we're both in the same room right now with the baby… But yeah, so he claims that Max Rock is a guy named John and that John and John's brother go back-and-forth logging into this account and chatting to both me and Heather as both John and John's brother.

32:09 Okay, you mentioned Heather Fazio and you mentioned some of the things that Max Rock said. And like you, Catherine I have not seen the Mad Max movie so I'm actually not familiar with this character but maybe John can explain the character to us in a moment but This Max Rock identity on Facebook said to Heather Fazio were quite revealing, I believe. Is that right? Well yeah on Heather Fazio's conversation he actually mentions Jason Mistrick by name

32:48 And that was pretty fascinating. The ones where he had with me since I, she just kind of shut down the conversation when he started getting weird where I was trying to snoop so I kept asking more questions. He basically told me that There's 23 moles for you and many of your acquaintances, and he literally has 10 gigs of screenshots ready for greedy lawyers. And the tendency for activists to be anonymous is often used against them then when one of your groups speaks, you freak when someone gives you attention that you don't want." I remember acting that way as a kid. You're in the business of getting attention!

33:32 I don't know, it was just weird that he was using really specific numbers like 23 moles. What does that mean? You have 23 fake accounts that you're watching me with? Are you getting paid by APD to do this as part of your job and there's 23 of you doing it? What does that mean or am I reading too far into it? Was he just crazy but he says this to me after I ask him. Who are you and what are you up to? FBI, APD. You're really doing a poor job either way." I said... Oh! And the other thing is he was deleting his account constantly. It would disappear and come back and disappear and come back. And I said no one deletes their accounts so often.

34:14 It was weird and I just told him he was being sloppy. And then he responds to me telling that we have moles, and that has all these gigs of screenshots... And the conversation ended with me saying I don't care about moles because I have nothing to hide so good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish. So Catherine what is your reaction to this? It's concerning. I have a feeling that he is not acting within his job description, which means we have a rogue officer who is engaging in intimidation tactics to the family of a victim of his kidnapping and arrests

34:51 So, that's a big deal. There is an active trial and he walked up to me at a hearing and handed this documentation letting me know basically that he had created a fake account and was the person who was engaging with me and that he was watching me. That's not okay! That's really big deal John when do you think about all this? You know, John had just stepped to the side. He just a step down That's alright so Catherine This whole thing it would you you were conversing with this max rock character on Facebook and You and others on this account suspected he was kind of weird but you didn't suspect he was directly involved in

35:40 with this case, the John Bush Matthew Medina case. Is that right? It never crossed my mind I guess I couldn't really imagine that have been going on. John and I visited fusion centers all over the country, I know they're set up to do this. Well let's go right into that Catherine. Here we have these fusion centers, this cop may be operating on his own just you know who knows, or this may be some weird policy of the Austin Police Department or who knows what's going on with this yet. But you have been a critic of fusion centers spying on people gathering information on people on Facebook perhaps acting as an agent provocateur on Facebook these are the sorts of things that I take it you are concerned about with these fusion centers?

36:35 Oh, absolutely. And you know the writing has been on the wall for years and I guess it's only natural that after the legislation is passed and all of the technology is bought and installed and infrastructure set up that they would start using And whether he's acting within the law or not, unfortunately our law enforcement community has set a really poor example by training our law enforcement officials that this is how we're supposed to be treating citizens in the first place. So you know, the whole system is to blame You know it's really unfortunate and this is exactly the type of stuff that We were concerned about happening and here it is Here's a man with a gun and a badge

37:19 who is behaving in very, very creepy ways and it does our entire family uncomfortable. Alright now is John back? Yes! John I wanted to ask you what your reaction to all this is and in particular some of the other comments that you saw that were on this Facebook account from this we now believe as Jason Mistrick the police officer masquerading as Max Rock Yeah, I for one do not appreciate the behavior and it's not what you would expect out of a peace officer. However Austin Police Department has developed quite the nasty reputation for police abuse misconduct and even murder so

38:05 I mean, I don't know if this is what we should come to expect from Austin police. We did chat with Chief Art Acevedo who assured he would look into it and call me back. He took copies of the four sheets he just pondered off. I got the call from an assistant chief but not from the chief himself It's just a lack of accountability. The system is designed for there not to be accountability, they try to get people go the police monitors office to file complaints but you find that the police monitors offices actually set up and authorized by the Police Union contracts, it's not even codified by city law But yeah I don't appreciate it one bit and we're concerned that officer Mistrick

38:43 He's already behaved in ways where it seems as if he is reckless and isn't thinking about the consequences of his actions. So we're not sure if he could do something nasty or brash, and uh... We are definitely concerned for our family And we hope to shine a spotlight on this and put out there in the public not only to serve as a protection for our family, but also to expose exactly what's taking place at Austin Police and expose that nothing is getting done about crooked corrupt police like officer Jason Mistrick badge number 4856. We're coming near the end of the hour here, John and Catherine. So what do you plan to do? You said that there's avenues that you can take but the police monitor is that going to do any good or what? We plan to file complaints with the Police Monitoring Office just to put it on the record

39:48 uh... i plan to continue to attempt a hold law enforcement accountable by fighting them in the court of public opinion it appears that the court systems are decide with the police officers it's all just big racket but one thing we can do is expose these crooked cops and point out to their neighbors and the rest of the austin community exactly what's going on with the hopes of shaming them into changing their behavior Additionally, we're big advocates of people arming themselves with cameras. We're thinking about putting together a fundraiser where we raise money to buy inexpensive video cameras and give them to marginalized communities that are experiencing worse abuse than Catherine and I have experienced. There's been several murders just in recent history of Austin Police Department shooting and killing young black youth on the east side who were unarmed and not committing any crimes. It's happening far too often

40:39 So it's by time that people start standing up to this type of abuse and don't be intimidated, don't stand down whenever they try to push us away and silence us. We need to step up and be even stronger All right, I believe we have a call from Charlie in Texas but we don't have enough time to take it. I'm sorry Charlie! We've been talking with John Bush and Catherine Bleich You can hear the Lone Star Liberty Beat on Texas Liberty Radio txlr.net And also check it out at LonestarLibertyBeat.com You can also check out Lonestarsmart.net John Bush thank you for being with us here on Live & Let Live

41:19 Thanks for having me. And Catherine Bleich, thank you for being here on Live and Let Live She stepped away but she sends her regards Alright and this has been live and let live on the Logos Radio Network The executive in charge of production was Deborah Stevens This was our show for Sunday March 11th You can check us out at logosradionetwork.com I'm Gary Johnson Good night