Jeff Davis Talks With Hoppy Heidelberg 1997 Former Grand Juror For OKC Bombing [hRllW6R8 Fg]

00:00 This is the Jeff Davis show in Dallas, Texas at the Preparedness Expo. We're going to do a short interview with Hoppy Heidelberg who was basically...Hoppy if you'd fill us in, you were kind of a grand juror for the McVeigh trial? Well yeah I was on the grand jury. I was seated on the grand jury January 95 four months before the bombing so it didn't start out being the bombing grand jury but ended up that way So we were seated in January. We didn't become the dedicated bombing grand jury until May of 1995, and then after I realized that there was not going to be an investigation into the bombing

00:42 I wrote a letter to the judge telling him what was going on and he had to answer my letter, it kicked me off the jury. And so we did. Now when you just run your video let me just get to the fine points of this basically you're claiming sir that this whole jury process is dining process was that you would request certain people, witnesses, maybe they might have alternative information. Explosives experts, seismologists, structural engineers those kind of people. Basically you're claiming that the prosecution

01:22 was controlling who was being subpoenaed, what the information that's going to be allowed. So basically your contagion is to sum it up as if the whole thing was a stage... It was sham yes. Worse than that in my opinion is obstruction now I hadn't made any requests it would have just been a sham but since I made the request and was turned down it becomes an obstruction of justice in my opinion Do you have predictions or analysis or whatever, the way you see how this thing might unfold. The trial in Denver I cannot predict what the conclusion will be but it'll be whatever they need. Well whoever who needs?

02:10 Ah, the people staging the trial. Because it could be for example if they needed right now in my opinion an acquittal would do more than a conviction because there were certain...they pulled the teeth on some and when they passed the military's bill after the bombing they didn't get everything they wanted. They cancelled some of it out but if you have an acquittal that can go to the people say see we need all that back So I would think that an acquittal would do them more good than a conviction, but they take so many polls. I guess the only thing is to take polls and whatever suits their purposes the best so we can come out.

02:47 Do you have any concluding statements? Would you like to say that from your experience of dealing with this, have you learned anything? Has it changed your life? Well it's changed my life but I don't know. Well I guess I've learned a little You always like to think the best of everybody and everything It is very painful to discover that the justice system Any justice that comes from the justice system is purely accidental, I can assure you. And it's got everything choreographed and it's all professional rationale. It's what its become and its our own fault we've got the kind of government we deserve We allow all this to go on if we can't comply with them. Its our fault Benjamin Franklin told us when he came out of the convention He said that we'd give him a republic if he keep it

03:52 We're going to appreciate your time. Hi, this is Hoppy Heidelberg. I want to welcome you to the Jeff Davis show about the Oklahoma City bombing and i want you know that we are trying investigate it and learn all that can We're not satisfied if we know truth yet And we are doing everything we can and I have formed a corporation called Oklahomans for Truth and were going hold public hearings and I wan't you watch the Jeff Davis show and say hi to Joyce Isaacs on KBEDT Thank You Joyce for having me on your show