Jeff Davis Show(1997 Classic W⧸ Joyce Riley & Joyce Isaacs) [1LbZkDHlkyI]

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01:41 Now, just briefly here before we get to our guest. We have a hot show for you today. In 1990 I was one of the first ones that come out in Austin Texas publicly against deserts fraud...I mean Desert Storm. Fraud! Storm Fraud! Now with us today we have two illustrious guests One is a former KVET radio host who's got a new job on the radio and she's a dear friend of ours Joyce Isaacs and also in the studio one of the leaders if not the leader in fighting for the Gulf War illness business, Ms. Joyce Riley. A true hero and patriot she really is thank you very much my pleasure to be here okay I want to just open it up then

02:30 Which one of y'all wants to go first? Well, let Joy. She's an Army officer and a nurse. You're from Houston right? That's correct yes I'm from Houston. I want to say that i had the pleasure of being here in Austin because of some Gulf War veterans and some very concerned people here wanted to have a meeting to show the evidence because you know we've been talking about this on the radio for a long time. In fact, Carl Wigglesworth's show was kind enough to have us on the air the other day also and Keith Perry on his micro broadcasting station and I want to say that I don't want anyone to believe me just because I say this. Don't believe me just because you're hearing it on the radio or you see something on TV, because that's a problem we're into right now with Pentagon and the information they are putting out so we came to Austin to put on the information to show the evidence which we did last night at The American Legion and by doing that we showed evidence of whether not this Gulf War illness is real Is it as serious as everybody says? And has the US government known this information since 1991 and failed to tell the American public

03:31 So we left it open for the public to see. We left it open for the public to decide in their own minds, is this true or not? Because if people understand what's happening right now... If I am correct on what I'm saying that means we have a Pentagon right now that has lied to the American people, lied to our military allowed them to get sick, allowed them to die and allowed them to transfer this disease to other people. Now wait a minute Joyce! It's easy to believe you because YOU were there Weren't you? Well, I wasn't in the theater of operations and this is why this is part of my story. Okay. I did not go to Desert Storm. Uh- How did you... But you found out about it. You were one of the pioneers that found out about it. Oh! I got sick. That'll teach ya real quick if you've got a problem. That will get your attention really quick. That's right and what happened was as a flight nurse in the Air Force Reserve, I volunteered to go back at Kelly Air Force Base on the 32nd AES

04:22 to participate in Operation Desert Storm. I was supposed to go to Saudi Arabia the week of the ceasefire, so i did not go but as a result of that what I did at that point was...I made sure... Can I interrupt you just a minute Joyce? Yeah either that or we can just put up a slate for a minute. I'm sorry to interrupt y'all like this We're gonna our wide shot here is cutting Joyce off Okay, by the way. There we go that's magic of TV I think your own audience probably understands live television And so what I did was as a flight nurse and volunteered to go back to Desert Storm Was I volunteered to go to Kelly Air Force Base? I did not go to the theater of operations because of the ceasefire but I did fly around in a c-130 from Alaska to Cuba doing missions and trying to serve my country

05:30 And I want to say that to every veteran out there and every person listening to this program, you joined the military for the right reasons. And I am a very pro-America person, pro-military. I am not anti-American and I'm not anti-military and I want that clearly understood here...that I support this form of government and I would have died for it and I still would die for it but we have now a credibility problem with our Pentagon is more serious than anything that I can imagine And the allegations that I am making against the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, the CIA and the Veterans Administration is more serious than anything anyone is saying anywhere in this country. What exactly...for people who haven't heard you yet what exactly is it that your...you kind of stumbled onto this

06:19 Well, I became ill. I served as a flight nurse from January to July of 1991 From July to December, I became ill and was hospitalized in December of 1991 at St Luke's Hospital in Houston And as a result of that, I was diagnosed with some type of unknown central nervous system disorder similar to multiple sclerosis which many, many Gulf War veterans have This is not just me Many Gulf War veterans have MS So I was diagnosed with this and it took me over the next year to get better. And finally, I started to recuperate and I'm okay today but i was treated early on. The whole entire reason that I am doing what I am doing is because there are those that are dying right now

07:03 There are family members that are sick as a result of this disease and I want it stopped. I want the Pentagon to come forward with the truth, I want the American people understand there is Gulf War illness. But Joyce, thats not a frightening thing you never were in the Gulf War theater you say? That's right! but you got it from somewhere yes and other family members of veterans have gotten it. It makes me cold when I think of it, because is just...is it airborne? Do we have any idea?" Okay let me give this part as my opinion and very little what I say is opinion because I use evidence, I use documents to prove what I'm saying so that the people listening will not think that this is just my opinion let me preface by saying first of all I am not a physician and I'm not giving medical advice tonight

07:50 This is based on documents. Everything that I say to you is based on documents unless I tell you differently, and this is my opinion. I believe 75% of the illness that Gulf War veterans are experiencing is due to the vaccinations we received. Vaccinations our own country gave us were experimental, not necessarily to protect us during wartime but had ulterior motives 25% of the disease, I believe is due to biological chemical and nuclear exposures. Now we have people that obviously suffered from chemical exposures at Kamasia and many other areas that were detonated over there We know there were nuclear plants blown up in Iraq We know that there were chemical and biological munitions areas that were blown up And we know that the exposure from that has affected our troops

08:42 Now, my concern though and I want to separate right now biological from chemical. Chemical may be sarin gas or taban gas. Chemical may be oil well fires exposure to oil well fire environmental exposures but the concern i have is not those three because you don't bring home an oil well fire problem after the war and give it to your family Biological is a whole different arena and biological is the exposure viral rickettsial Bacteriological or fungal agents that can be spread to other people so we know That our troops were somehow exposed to a biological agent now did our country do it did Iraq? Do it I don't know that We're going to know the full answer to that, but I know that. I was nowhere over there near right and your point is well made So

09:34 Right after the war when I became so ill with a disease that they said they'd never seen before and symptoms They've never seen before. I wanted to know where it came from and I called Veterans Administration I called the DOD, and of course my response from them was there's nothing wrong with you nobody sick everybody's fine Thank you very much don't bother to call us back That's what I knew we had a problem because you know epidemiologically if a nurse calls you And by the way I've been a nurse for 25 years now And let me just establish who I am and what I've done before this. I just didn't come out from under a rock in 1993 and start yelling conspiracy, Gulf War. I have been a director of nursing for two hospitals in San Antonio

08:42 Now, my concern though and I want to separate right now biological from chemical. Chemical may be sarin gas or taban gas. Chemical may be oil well fires exposure to oil well fire environmental exposures but the concern i have is not those three because you don't bring home an oil well fire problem after the war and give it to your family Biological is a whole different arena and biological is the exposure viral rickettsial Bacteriological or fungal agents that can be spread to other people so we know That our troops were somehow exposed to a biological agent now did our country do it did Iraq? Do it I don't know that We're going to know the full answer to that, but I know that. I was nowhere over there near right and your point is well made So

09:34 Right after the war when I became so ill with a disease that they said they'd never seen before and symptoms They've never seen before. I wanted to know where it came from and I called Veterans Administration I called the DOD, and of course my response from them was there's nothing wrong with you nobody sick everybody's fine Thank you very much don't bother to call us back That's what I knew we had a problem because you know epidemiologically if a nurse calls you And by the way I've been a nurse for 25 years now And let me just establish who I am and what I've done before this. I just didn't come out from under a rock in 1993 and start yelling conspiracy, Gulf War. I have been a director of nursing for two hospitals in San Antonio

10:13 for a long-term care facility. I've taught nursing courses, um...I've lectured, I have done a lot of things in the nursing arena for 25 years! I was the most naive person, uh..I mean I knew there were these two houses in Washington one was called Congress and one was called The Senate but other than that I knew very little literally I was not involved with anything. But I don't know if you were naive or like a lot of us you were trusting? Yes Yes, maybe that's a better word. Oh was you're sitting next to a veteran how long were you in the 13 years? See not states air for 13 years Wow I actually see I made this we'll get into maybe a little bit of this later Joyce but III Kind of disagree with your initial statement that one of your statements that say II completely distrust this government I think

11:02 I think that most of these wars now are nothing more than international bankers just fattening their wallets. Alright, but did you know that 13 years ago when you joined the military? No! That's what i'm talking about. But it hasn't come to a realization that we were duped... And if you'd been talking to me like this or saying these things in 1989, I would have said get away from me He's crazy Because I was the most pro-military person. My father was in the Army Air Corps, my mother was in the Navy. My mother outranked my father so I always say that I came from a dysfunctional family. And you know when I say this to let people know, I am not anti military!

11:48 I mean going up on a c-130 was the greatest source of satisfaction in being a flight nurse that i could have imagined but Joyce if you didn't love this country and you didn't love the military then you wouldn't have to be doing what you're doing. You do love this country and that's why you've got standup because something is terribly wrong not only that we Three times I raised my hand in a vow to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I can honestly say George that I have maintained that vow

12:26 That's right, you have. And you know I never understood what domestic enemies even meant when I took that. I never understood In fact with George Bush in 1987 I believe it was, I invited him to come to Houston sign an organ donor card and be involved with a big PR for organ transplantation because i was a national organ donor nurse at that time And I met George Bush and Barbara Bush, greatest people in the world. I thought and I had no idea...I was getting ready to be poisoned by my country. Had no idea what these people represented And so as a result of that and like we were talking about how did I figure out what was going on with me? What did i have in that was correlating with what the other Gulf War veterans had. The only two things we had in common, was we received the same vaccinations and I had exposure to the troops. And those are the two variables right there. That's right. That was it. So that's all I had to begin with

13:22 So I said, I know something happened to me during the Gulf War. I know it. I'm sick and have this inability to use my legs that was transient. It would come and go. I was trying to work as a heart transplant nurse in Houston at the time. It was very taxing I worked 16-hour shifts. I was not afraid of work, I could work with anyone you know work with the best of them and so for them to tell me that oh You just don't want to work any longer or something was there was no nothing to that when you have a passion for your profession sure But this was a physical thing and that's the problem we've got right now is because Gulf War veterans are being labeled as having this mental disorder Now if they come forward and say they've gotten gopher illness

14:04 Oh, is that the latest strategy? Oh absolutely. The intimidation is incredible what they are doing So if you're a Gulf War veteran and go to the VA hospital I don't care if your hemorrhaging or whatever, what's wrong with you The first thing the VA facility does is give you psychological evaluation If your a Gulf war veteran And from 2-12 hours worth of testing then they will pin some type of PTSD disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder. Some type of diagnosis that can be related to a psychological disease So that then they can say, oh well he's got a psychological problem. This is not a real illness But we had a little...we should have realized this might happen again because the Vietnam vet wasn't treated very well and when they kept saying you know this is happening to my body That's happening to my body and were having children there was something wrong And nobody wanted hear that either did they? Well your exactly right and thats why I say I owe every Vietnam veteran an apology

15:08 because when they were coming back from over there and were sick. I was listening to the news media. I was a young buck nurse getting ready to join the Air Force Reserve and they told me, uh...the media told me these guys are bunch of guy who came back with foot fungus and want to be taken care for a lifetime. They're babies. They're just squallies yeah? And I believed it! There were a bunch of gold bricks. And I believed that. I didn't know they had disease that might kill them. I didn't know they were going have deformed children later on. Do you know we have never ever treated any of the Agent Orange veterans They've never been treated to this day. They've been given a check for $600 and told to go away and thank you very much six hundred dollars The majority of them have been paid less than a thousand dollars And so we now have and everybody thinks they've been taken care of because the good media On behalf of the Pentagon that, you know Clinton came out and said oh We're going to take care of these veterans. They were not taken care of I

16:05 And now the wives that are married to Vietnam veterans, now have sons that are Gulf War veterans. And we have a Vietnam Veterans Wives group that is just formed for that reason and the sad part is those women are in charge of making a quilt now for all of the deaths of Agent Orange and the deaths of Gulf War illness To which the Pentagon has never ever addressed the deaths of these people Did this not come through Now these are all whitewashed, these so-called investigations. But did this not come to a house investigation? It did and there was only one real true investigation and by the way the report of that investigation has been taken out of the government printing office you can't even purchase it any longer

16:50 This is 103-900 and it is the United States dual use exports to Iraq. It's a committee on housing, banking and urban affairs. We're going to go ahead and get a close up of that. I would hope, yeah. This is a 600 page document that's no longer available from the government printing office and if i were a Gulf War veteran I'd be pretty furious to know that I couldn't find out why I was sick it's in here It's all in here this is Senator Don Regal's committee which he did this in 1993 and 1994 came out with his final report and the report is scathing it literally calls this cover-up

17:33 It talks about the antibiotics that were effective for Gulf War veterans in 1993. It talks about the violent mental attacks they're having right now, in which they're doing violent crimes, Gulf War veterans. Uh it mentions everything! It talks about the company that sold those biological warfare agents to Saddam Hussein right here in the United States. I was going to say, you're going to tell us aren't ya that they came from here? Absolutely! Well we created him why shouldn't we sell him somethings We did, we created him, we created Saddam Hussein Let me tell you four things this report says that you've not heard uh... from the United States government First of all, the summary of this six hundred page document is one nuclear and biological chemical uh... biological and chemical agents were used two our troops are not just sick they are dying

18:22 Three, the disease is communicable. And four we knowingly exported to Saddam Hussein with the full knowledge of the Department of Commerce and the CDC the weapons of mass destruction, biological warfare agents which brings us into the whole thing now as to where we stand with Saddam Hussein, which is another whole story we'll get to in a minute. But I think that's very important to understand what is going on now has a lot to do with what has been covered up over the past four or five years from the American people because now it's all going to come out their house of cards is going to fall down you think so? They've kept a pretty good house of card for a long time they sure have but

19:02 General Schwartzkopf. Not just in this, but in everything else Yes But this is just blighted Yes you do It's just blatant You know you've got too many dying veterans right now And General Schwartzkopf In 1993 We made a video that has evidence on it Strictly evidence and in it we accused General Schwartzkoff of not having told the truth In September this year before a committee hearing All of sudden three weeks after this video comes out and its on The Art Bell Show General Schwarzkopf admits in September 15, 1997 that he did not tell the Senate the truth when he testified in 1997. This is the first big domino to fall. Get a close up of that one quick? This was on 19...September 15th of 1997 USA Today and I will tell you this is going to be the beginning Gulf illness treated cavalierly and I'll read you a statement from this

18:22 Three, the disease is communicable. And four we knowingly exported to Saddam Hussein with the full knowledge of the Department of Commerce and the CDC the weapons of mass destruction, biological warfare agents which brings us into the whole thing now as to where we stand with Saddam Hussein, which is another whole story we'll get to in a minute. But I think that's very important to understand what is going on now has a lot to do with what has been covered up over the past four or five years from the American people because now it's all going to come out their house of cards is going to fall down you think so? They've kept a pretty good house of card for a long time they sure have but

19:02 General Schwartzkopf. Not just in this, but in everything else Yes But this is just blighted Yes you do It's just blatant You know you've got too many dying veterans right now And General Schwartzkopf In 1993 We made a video that has evidence on it Strictly evidence and in it we accused General Schwartzkoff of not having told the truth In September this year before a committee hearing All of sudden three weeks after this video comes out and its on The Art Bell Show General Schwarzkopf admits in September 15, 1997 that he did not tell the Senate the truth when he testified in 1997. This is the first big domino to fall. Get a close up of that one quick? This was on 19...September 15th of 1997 USA Today and I will tell you this is going to be the beginning Gulf illness treated cavalierly and I'll read you a statement from this

20:00 The statement is... Gulf War illness in the years following 1991 conflict with Iraq were handled, was handled very cavalierly by the Pentagon," says Schwarzkopf. Schwarzkopf told Gannett News Service he regretted not telling senators earlier this year about a chemical weapons case involving an Ohio soldier. It says unpublished battlefront reports showing that Schwarzkoff knew about the soldier in 1991 raised questions about why he told Congress this year he had no knowledge of anyone being exposed to chemical weapons Then over here they asked Schwarzkopf why he didn't tell the truth and he said, I wish I had now. It wasn't a question of it slipping my mind that I should have told the truth Now this is the unpublished battlefront report that General Schwarzkopf did not reveal We put a copy in our documentation package that was in the video

20:53 and this is an actual nuclear biological and chemical log of General Schwarzkopf. This is an NBC log dated 3 March 1991, and General Schwarzkopf had to read these documents every single day. It came from Central Command, CENTCOM, and General Schwarzkopf had full knowledge of this information. Now that's what an NBC log looks like, it has been declassified and they are not available any longer if you do a FOIA request Freedom Of Information Act request is not going to look like this its gonna be redacted but we have some copies the original ones and were making them as fast as we can But let me just read to you what General Schwarzkopf knew

21:37 At 1515 in the afternoon, that's 315, it says Lieutenant Colonel Wade advised that Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldier of the Third Armored Division does have blisters characteristic of H. Muster Chemical Agent Now see, the question had been raised were there any biological or chemical exposures? And he said no. There was none In fact the official statement from the Pentagon is there is no evidence classified or unclassified to show that biological or chemical agents were used That's an absolute lie An absolute lie George it's just such a big lie I mean its just so It's more than a lie, it's petroleum

22:17 Well, it is. It's a betrayal but it is also a public health hazard because even if we talk about what happened with the Gulf War veterans over there and General Schwartzkopf not telling the truth that's one thing but now look at the innocent people Austin was a military town during that time How many military people have now transferred this disease to someone else? Is that the right number, Joyce? 281. That's correct. Okay. 587-5436 Right! That is the number they can contact if they need to get in touch with me because we don't want anyone left frustrated or without any place to turn too because this is too serious a subject. But Austin...right you're saying Austin is a military town and because of it being a military town San Antonio being a huge military town Oh yes I mean now were having large numbers cases of new disease

23:03 that nobody ever heard about before 1991, that everybody's taking for granted now called fibromyalgia. Nobody ever heard about it before 19- Is that all correct? Is that right, is that your website www. The address as far as the website is www.gulfwarvets.com but its all small letters not large letters www.gulfwarvetts.com and our address is Gulf War 3506 Highway 6 South number 117 Sugar Land, Texas 774-78-4401. The phone number is 281-587-5437. You can leave a number and I can get back to you. And again the website is www.gulfwarvets.gov

23:57 Okay, and what were you saying? What is it fibromyalgia? Fibromyalgia. Okay because that in the talk show circuit That's a word that has come into being I've that's funny You should say that because I thought well i'm just dumb right Jeff I didn't know that word but I would say probably in the last 10 months or year Maybe that word has started to come up again and gain And so that's it that's all this means a lot did you ever hear about fibromyalgia before 1991 Did you Jeff? No I haven't. In fact, I haven't even heard of it before you did. Well your all on different radio. You listen to the radio okay! Okay how about chronic fatigue syndrome? Oh I've got that. We have that yeah. Alright chronic fatigue is a

24:41 a big disease that you've seen in epidemic proportions since 1991. Now, what we now know is that 62% of the chronic fatigue patients are now positive for the same biological warfare agent the Gulf War veterans have. Where does this come from? Why do we have people reporting they had been doctors and nurses taking care of Gulf War veterans and now they have the disease? And they test positive in their blood for it. So we're not talking people that are just, you know being biased by what they hear or want to play sick or take on the symptoms We're talking about people that are actually testing positive now and this blood tests By the way maybe I should explain we have identified a biological warfare agent It is called mycoplasma incognitus is a biological warfare agent That is not found in nature

25:28 We believe it's man-made. The DNA sequences are so rare, it has got to be man made." It was identified at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. Who identified that? Dr. Garth Nicholson You've probably had him on your program haven't you? I'm baiting her... He and his wife Nancy is a doctor but their daughter got sick didn't she? Right! And so they..you three are probably the big flies in the heart much because you came up with it. Well, we're the pain in the backside of the Pentagon right now. Well I was going to let you say that but I'd be proud to be the back... Yeah, that's a... But you three are and your all two doctors and very experienced nurse and course he lost his job by can I say that on air? Sure! He lost his job because he was telling the truth That's right. He was a tenured professor for 15 years at the MD Anderson Cancer Center

26:24 He and Dr. Nancy Nicholson identified this biological warfare agent, I think it's important to understand why his daughter was on a Black Hawk helicopter doing deep insertions into Iraq she comes back with the disease in 1991 and all of sudden the entire family gets the disease Now, he was trained to go into a lab and find out why there is a disease. That's what he does! What causes it? That's right. He's a cell biology professor. And we better just kiss the ground that he walks on because no doubt... He's a hero. He is not only in this but many other things in his life Joyce. He has made our lives better. 60 Minutes told me that they said he was one of the most well respected cancer researchers in America

27:10 Yes, in this entire country. And this is how he got repaid for telling the truth It makes me... I'm about to cry it makes me so mad Joyce Well it just makes me furious Have you met him before? No just on the phone He's an incredible person Just on the phone He wants nothing more than to see Gulf War veterans treated and so for three years he collected blood samples at MD Anderson Cancer Center and tested them at his own expense And he told me one time on a Sunday afternoon, he came in and said Joyce I just came in and they've unhooked my freezer again. His freezer of specimens was left to heat up and it didn't happen then they were able to save the specimens but then he was later told that if he didn't stop the Gophort research that he was essentially out of there so he did

28:01 He went to California. There are only two places in the country that now test for this biological warfare agent, and both of them are in California. One is Dr. Nicholson and then there's another lab in California but you don't have very many labs that test for biological warfare agents because up until 1991 we didn't need it! Well according to a lot people now, we do not have it anywhere right? That's correct So there you are In fact we should talk about what the official government position is right now The Pentagon position. Let me just mention first folks, if y'all this is a live program you might take some calls later at the end of the program. Please! Okay we've been running tapes down here this is a live program so if you all want to it's 477 ACTV folks 477 ACTV if you want to talk to Joyce Isaac or Joyce Riley

28:48 They'll be visiting with us. Or Jeff Davis! Or me, but I'm actually learning from this because I have to admit that I don't know a whole lot about what she's saying but it is interesting and i hope you and I don't need to know very much about it thats a very selfish...it makes me mad But this another thing we might bring up It looks like were going to get back into it with him sooner or later And when I just think about things, don't lie if I used to write farm scripts. Anthrax and those things... This man he has no regard for anything but his way in the world and we may all who knows what could happen to us Joyce? Now if you're not concerned about veterans you better start being concerned about yourself

29:35 I want to just make sure i understand you're basically stating that you believe that through vaccines, our military people were pumped whatever's causing this. I think the majority of those especially those that didn't go over there because there are those who did not go to Saudi Arabia who are just as sick and those that did go that are sick And I think the ones that did go probably got a combination of both the chemical and biological. A double whammy, yes. Yes and the vaccines Now I myself think that I probably got whatever is relative to the vaccinations Let me go into the speculative a little bit because this is not something that I could actually prove to you although The Washington Times says they can prove it The Washington Times says that? Yes, and the Washington Times and Insight Magazine

30:27 printed an article about the sickness and secrecy of the Gulf War illness, I'll just show here. They printed this. It was by Paul Rodriguez, August 25th of 1997 and he talks about the use of something called squalene that squalene is being found in the blood of Gulf War veterans now and to the tune of about 300...a majority of 400 of them had squalene. What is it? Squalene is synthetic adjuvant, a compound that is used only in two instances that we know about in the United States right now. So if you have squalene in your blood that means you've been exposed to one of these 2 things. Number 1 it's an experimental malarial compound that has not been used widely and the second one is an anti-AIDS vaccine

31:21 Now, the thesis of what Washington Times and the British Press is saying as well as Insight Magazine is that Gulf War veterans were the recipient of anti-AIDS experimental vaccines during the Gulf War. Without their knowledge? Without their knowledge. I would think that every American would rise their feet immediately and say, I'm sorry. That's it You don't do that to our people without their knowledge because we're not talking about giving immunizations to people for the sake of Protecting them in a battle zone area you don't need an anti-aids vaccine And that's right The reason they did it was because as you know in the military you get tested mandatorily whether you want to or not So you are the best guinea pig group in the world? Yeah, I often wonder what those shots were popping

32:08 That's right, and you don't have any way of knowing. Yeah, and your shot record has a bunch of little squiggly lines on it. Have you heard the rumors about the that the AIDS virus could be a man-made deal? The rumors. I've heard the rumors! Well, let's all leave it at that. I've heard more than that but no rumors about it But yeah...I think we need to start looking into it Part of the population control program You don't go that far huh Or maybe you do See, I don't know much about George Oh, I'll tell ya exactly what I think If you take your military and put them in a theater of operations

32:45 and they get exposed to something, I don't care if it's cannon fodder. I don't care what it is. I don't care if its alien dust or such a thing exists. And you bring those people back here and those people say I'm sick... ...and you start writing them off as being head cases and you don't treat them when you know the treatment exists that IS intentional! That is criminal intent to allow those people to die Yes, I am accusing them of that absolutely because they know that the antibiotics are effective. I was treated with the antibiotics That's what Dr. Nicholson is treating for. Wait a minute, in other words if they were treated with the antibiotic... If our government would be honest about what's going on Joyce we could probably help a lot of people? Oh we could have saved thousands of lives! Is it an antibiotic that anything that we might know? Oh yeah absolutely and here again here's my disclaimer I am NOT a physician i'm not practicing medicine but dr Garth Nicholson recommends

33:43 the antibiotic doxycycline. It's a tetracycline derivative. I was going to say, yeah and i think probably you get that for other things your doctor may prescribe but if you're a DOD facility or a VA facility you are not allowed to give a Gulf War veteran doxycycline now isn't that interesting? Now wait wait a minute! You're not allowed to prescribe those in those two facilities they're not allowed too In fact, I've had many physicians call me from the VA system saying that they get audited. They get reprimanded and it's just simply not available to Gulf War veterans Now the reason being and I've had them explain this to me See first of all the disease we're talking about here The Mycoplasma is sensitive to Doxycycline I was treated with it Hundreds of Gulf war veterans have been treated

34:35 But you can't get it at a DOD facility or VA facility, so you have to go to a doctor outside. Most doctors don't know anything about it because the Pentagon tells them there's no Gulf War illness right? So they're going to say I'm sorry, you need to go to the VA and get your Prozac and be quiet That is what they are giving over 90% of the Gulf War veterans that have contacted me Have been offered Prozac by the Veterans Administration Now we see a problem here We sent, they're saying that 90% of the Gulf War veterans that went to fight the war over there are head cases? That 600,000 of our veterans are head cases. I don't think so. Right, our veterans then at that time they were certainly good enough to lay their life on the line for me weren't they? That's right and they were willing to die for this country. That's their only crime. That's the only thing they can be convicted of doing anything wrong They were willing to die for this country and now we repay them by placing them in Prozac

35:31 And I cannot tell you the problems we're seeing from that. The veterans that are doing acts of violence, the veterans that are committing suicide... It is very very frightening and that's a reason why I'm on here tonight and I appreciate your giving me this opportunity to say this if your a veteran and your sick don't give up because were her for you there people who are here for you and don't give up do not think your country has abandoned Your country doesn't know about this yet, but they're going to know. And I want every veteran to know that there are people everywhere that do care and want to know the truth of this. And the lady you're looking at right now... You're the one. You're really the hero. Well- And I would think that you...I wonder how many phone calls you've taken?

36:17 You know, because you just have always said call me. Call me. Call Me I'm here and your life is at this point and your husband's too it revolves around this doesn't it? Oh absolutely Absolutely that's all we do thats all we think about day and night now We get Gulf War veterans phone calls especially from the 82nd Airborne 101st airborne Big Red One out of Kansas They're really sick. They're very sick. Third Armored Division, Second Armored Division Fort Bliss a lot of those people are sick. Fort Bragg is a very sick base and they're not allowed if they're still in the military to talk about it Now here's a statistic that's very important and that is 90% of the Gulf War veterans served are already out of the military So that's including Guard Reserve and active duty. Ninety percent are already out

35:31 And I cannot tell you the problems we're seeing from that. The veterans that are doing acts of violence, the veterans that are committing suicide... It is very very frightening and that's a reason why I'm on here tonight and I appreciate your giving me this opportunity to say this if your a veteran and your sick don't give up because were her for you there people who are here for you and don't give up do not think your country has abandoned Your country doesn't know about this yet, but they're going to know. And I want every veteran to know that there are people everywhere that do care and want to know the truth of this. And the lady you're looking at right now... You're the one. You're really the hero. Well- And I would think that you...I wonder how many phone calls you've taken?

36:17 You know, because you just have always said call me. Call me. Call Me I'm here and your life is at this point and your husband's too it revolves around this doesn't it? Oh absolutely Absolutely that's all we do thats all we think about day and night now We get Gulf War veterans phone calls especially from the 82nd Airborne 101st airborne Big Red One out of Kansas They're really sick. They're very sick. Third Armored Division, Second Armored Division Fort Bliss a lot of those people are sick. Fort Bragg is a very sick base and they're not allowed if they're still in the military to talk about it Now here's a statistic that's very important and that is 90% of the Gulf War veterans served are already out of the military So that's including Guard Reserve and active duty. Ninety percent are already out

37:08 So, Colin Powell said there was going to be a downsizing right after the war of 25%. We've seen 90% The Big Red One in Kansas was letting out people to the tune of 350 a day because they knew they were gonna be sick. They knew that had these exposures They knew that we're gonna have problems because people started getting sick during the Gulf War so now we've got the problem what's happened with this people They are in your city and everybody else And the problem with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia is that this disease affects now, the general population. Six million fibromyalgia patients? Eighteen million chronic fatigue patients? Where did these come from? Well we know that mycoplasma has been experimented with by the U.S. government since 1970s... late 1970's and 1980's

38:00 as a carrier agent for other things. And now we don't know what it's carrying, but we know that about 40% of the people that contact us at the American Gulf War Veterans Association have damage to their immune systems. They're suffering from multiple sclerosis, Guillain-Barre, Lou Gehrigs, scleroderma, lupus, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue... very serious diseases. Let me just say this Joyce, can I This is just my opinion. My opinion is that we're not going to get very far, I mean you're obviously doing good work with all this but with what you said here tonight your accusing the DOD and Pentagon of cover ups and all that and I totally agree with all that but then when you make a statement to the point that these people were over there fighting for this country

38:52 That's, to me that just kind of defeating the whole purpose for this. In my opinion that is not what this was all about. Okay well let's say that is what we believe we were doing. Yeah okay but that needs to be stressed because as long as we continue to maintain these lies and throwing out this rhetoric that the other side throws out I think it will be harder to get people to accept this But in good faith is what we all are trying to say isn't it? In good faith men and women said I will go fight. Right? That's right, that's exactly what you were doing. Sure but do you come to understand now that we were dupes

39:36 Absolutely, I know that. Those wars have nothing to do with protecting the Constitution or defending and protecting the borders of the United States? Oh absolutely! That was a six o'clock news war. Yeah right... Well all you have to is look at what's going on right now with Saddam Hussein I mean, we're going to go to war with a guy. We started all this escalation because somebody put a piece of paper over our lens camera and wouldn't let him see in the room what was in the room? Is that a reason to fight a war or is that affecting our boundaries? Of course not! No, it's not why we are doing it because he's usurping the UN resolution so were supposed to send our young 18-19 year old people to fight because his airplanes are usurping the UN no fly zone

40:22 Oh, no way. Let me give you some information here. Here's some little known information that No-Fly Zone is not a UN imposed No-Fly Zone. Were you aware of that? Well, that's what the media is telling us isn't it? That the reason why the weapons inspections you know this here's a Iraqis sovereign nation supposedly and they're being forced now by this thug agency called the UN to have their nation violated plus

41:01 Iraq is disobeying their the UN no-fly zone. That's not a real end No fly zone see that's what they've made you think know well, that's what that's a US it's a And we bought into it that's why only us only us planes go over that no flies up know you in flights go over there So the U-2 flights are the UN imposed area. Those are the UN flights. But you see, we were talking to... I was talking to... The point is neither one of those reasons are worth mentioning to myself either. Absolutely not! No way! Okay. we don't even know what's true when it comes to the no-fly zone area. Also, Nazar Hamdoun who was talking to a friend of mine who wrote the book on Saddam Hussein and she is not pro Arab or pro Israeli and neither am I. Right. We're just here. She happened to do a biography book on him it's in all the libraries now but

41:50 Her name is Nita Renfrew and she was talking to the Nizar Hamdoun the other day who is the UN, Iraq ambassador of the U.N.. Nizar Hamdoun had two things to say First of all people don't realize that it's a US imposed no-fly zone And secondly he has not been allowed before the UN Security Council Now ask me or tell me why we would not allow someone to go before the UN Security Council when we are going to exhaust all means of diplomacy? Why is it that we have not allowed Nizar Hamdoun to go before the UN Security Council. I don't understand that either So there's a lot of information were not getting We watch the boob tube and we watch 6 o'clock news And if it happens on six o'clock news, its true for most people

42:37 And that's why I use the statement, you know if a tree falls in the forest and Dan Rather doesn't cover it does it still make a noise? You know, and that's the way people are. If it's not on the news it didn't happen. Good girl! That's good. But my point is taken by you... You are exactly right. ...and neither one of those reasons are worth any of us sending our 18 year old kids to go die in a fire. Absolutely not but I mean I'm saying that even that is contracted protracted reasons that don't even exist I'm thinking that the whole thing is made up to the point where it serves another agenda. And none of those reasons are with us going in time. Well, and I keep telling you we created Saddam. Absolutely! What's happening with the video? Oh did you take Dan Rather's name in vain? It's off.

43:33 Little joke there. He's up some I don't think our monitors down okay, we can't Okay, let's go on it's all right. It's just the monitor. It's the monitor okay, okay? Let me just mention a couple things here folks first off we have these this is we're entering into about our seventh month now of these downsizing government seminars and When are you scheduled to be there, Joyce? Last Sunday of January. It's 30th. So what six weeks from now? Correct Okay and it's the last Sunday of every month and Joyce you commented last week that we may find you out here

44:19 Well, now that I'm ambulatory unless I get some of the stuff she's talking about. You know I catch everything Joyce. Thank goodness she is a nurse! No, I'll be there and have been out long enough so I need to be loose now. Also on February 22nd The Jeff Davis show has managed to get several of the surviving Branch Davidians down here to Austin for the seminar. So that's something to look forward too, and I believe in March We have tentatively, I think we have Tex Mars a friend of mine scheduled to be there. And of course the regular host of speakers and what not so that's one thing Do you know how lucky you are to have Tex Mars here? Oh Tex is great guy yeah He is incredible I just did as much short way with him I mean I don't think Austin understands how fortunate they are to have him here One other thing folks we're starting a second series down here

45:23 Okay, okay. We're starting a second series down here it's starting on the pagan Festival day with what I call Christmas It's the beginning of the winter solstice under the disguise of Christ But we're starting on December 25th Thursday at 5 p.m., but it's gonna be Thursdays from five to 6 p.m.. We're starting a second It's a tape series Beginning in what about two and a half weeks from now? It's going to start on the like I say the pagan pagan festival for the for the people who celebrate that kind of thing And of course our show Mondays on channel 10 now we've had some callers have been holding for a long time

46:10 Want to go yeah, I Joyce needs to talk anybody needs a talk with Josh you need do it now We need to talk. Okay? Who's the first caller on the air? Pardon me George yes sir what your first name? I'm Pat hi Pat oh I'm a Vietnam veteran and I went through post-traumatic stress unit up there in Topeka Kansas and my two roommates up there were Gulf War veterans about Two months after I got out of that program, I came up with a... looked like all kinds of little pimples all over my body. And then they spread it out and it looked like ringworms. They were about the size of an orange, about six inches around. They said well, it wasn't ringworms so they gave me this fungal cream that said you must have picked something in the shower or something which was impossible because every time someone takes a shower they spray it down with Clorox and water

47:08 I didn't run any fever or temperatures, but I slept all the time. They gave me DEX, like cycling. It was white pills and they gave me this antibiotic cream. It's T-R-I-A-M-C I-N-O L-O-N-E acetone dine. They gave me that, then they cut out a bunch of you know, little sections and send it in to five or six different major clinics to see what it was. And they all came back negative. They couldn't decide or they wouldn't tell me what it was. Do you think that's Gulf War Syndrome? Well let me tell you that I cannot diagnose anything because... Does this sound like it? Thanks for your call Pat. We need one more question. Right Pat and did you get the phone number? Yeah.

48:10 Unfortunately, everything you say fits with what we're talking about with the Gulf War illness. And I am not a doctor and I'm not trying to prescribe or diagnose but let me say to you that everything you just said fits very much with the Gulf War illness. That it starts like pimples in the rash that Gulf War veterans have to large extent then it goes into the ringworm size presentation and usually the VA will then give a cream, a fungal cream for it. And you are lucky to get prescribed doxycycline if you were prescribed that if that was what you said I didn't understand but because that's very unusual they would do that but that sounds like the presentation of becoming very sick very tired those are all the symptoms

48:59 Now the problem that we have with Gulf War veterans that are living in close relationship with each other is that people tend to eat and drink after each other. You know, they you pick up a glass somebody else has used or you eat something that somebody else had and That's one of the problems And I would say to you that The possibility is there very much very much so Now there is the blood test like we were talking about, but it costs $150. On the screen right now what you're seeing is a teramycin powder and tetracycline for fish and unfortunately that's what Gulf War veterans have done they've gone to the feed stores because they cannot get the antibiotics our military are now going to feed stores to get the antibiotics to treat themselves and their families which is incredibly atrocious

49:43 So that's why we've agreed to pay for DOCSIS cycling for anyone who cannot afford it. We will find the money, we will get the money for you. We don't want any veteran going into a feed store." But he answered yes to his question and that is what I'm hearing from other Gulf War veterans Okay, next caller you're on the air with Joyce Isaacs and George before we do that. Let me just mention it joy So I want to mention you have a minute. We'll hold on just a minute caller Thank you for holding by the way when is your you're starting a new radio program? Well not right now I'm doing editorials that I mean can you imagine I would have an opinion in the end that The morning drive and the afternoon drive. Well, they started last week and then I went out and recorded some today so my boss said you're just too sweet

50:33 But he doesn't realize that I can call you something and make you really like it. You know that, Jeff! That's what I'm doing for now so I get a chance to write a little bit. It is on K News. K News at 1530. Okay, caller, you're on air! Hello, hear me. Yes, sir. This is recon Robert. Hello brother How you doing? You're all with Joyce Isaacs and Joyce Riley. Yeah I attended Joyce's seminar yesterday. This is a angel Sitting on your right she is no that's very kind of you Thank you for the young man at the knob that I know I can't mention names

51:15 But I got rid of my dose of that crap with herbal remedies. Homeopathic, but i do have some questions. Yes there is a person in Colorado who has a wonderful remedy. It takes about a year. Tell them about George Bush and his wife getting ill. Okay, we're gonna have to okay go ahead and I guess we can do all in man. Go ahead I'm sorry. We'll change the tape so we're gonna put this on rotation So we got it do this yes sir? I understand that mr.. And mrs.. Bush got ill That is correct George bush was in Saudi Arabia for Thanksgiving of 1990 and he did come down with a disease called Graves disease

52:17 This Graves disease is something that we're seeing among many, many Gulf War veterans. Whether he got it from that I don't know or not. I could never say but Barbara did get it and to one of the physicians I was talking to said the chances of getting all in the same family at the same time are statistically impossible. Thank you now the other question is how many known cases do we have around the world? not just here in America, but other armed forces. Okay with the military or with the yeah let me talk about the military coalition forces is that we know that there were 26 coalitions or 27 coalition countries that served during the Gulf War out of that one country and only one country does not report sick and dying Gulf war veterans

53:09 And that is France. So all the other coalition countries that served alongside of us are ill now and have sick Gulf War veterans, dying Gulf War veterans. Yes ma'am but is there any statistic on death? in these other nations? Well, the only thing I can tell you that Dr. Nicholson has shared with me is that 20% of the people in the theater of operations now report illnesses within their country and that would be United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia Iran Iraq all except with the exception of Syria we don't have any figures on Syria but at twenty percent of those populations are ill now We know there have been at least one million and we believe two million deaths in Iraq

53:49 Now one of the concerns I have is that these children they keep showing on TV and all these deaths that are a result of the embargoes, the UN imposed embargoes may not be that. They maybe as a result to the Gulf War illness because we know it's over there All you have to do is talk to Iranian-Iraqi... For both Yeah for both But Iranian Iraqi taxi drivers and they can tell you about the deaths that they've been having over there And the deformities in their children Let me just mention something You know I had a friend when I went up Ohio last June An old friend of mine from 20 years back He never listened to a lot of things I said. I don't really talk to him that much anymore, but he brought up that he had a brother who recently died when he was 40 years old and they believed it was linked with what you're saying. He even knew who you were and had been studying your tapes.

54:42 That's right, and that's why I think everybody better start listening. If you don't have any other motive except a selfish motive you better start listening. Everybody better understand how serious this is this is not my opinion and this is not my documentation This is government documentation that I brought with me it shows that they have known the truth about this disease also when is It going to stop but we're not real sure how its spread? That's what some well it spread first of all by blood transfusions or We know that the Gulf War veterans that came back and were encouraged to donate blood at their Guard and Reserve units, you know when you have a unit training activity on the weekends And your commander tells you to donate blood. You don't say well sir I don't feel like it today Um...You donate But all that's been stopped hasn't it? No it has not Absolutely not No! Gulf war veterans are going into blood banks all over this country every day and donating blood

55:30 And because there is no Gulf War illness. Don't you understand? Oh, I forgot! The Pentagon says there is no Gulf War illness therefore it's okay. I don't know but I hope that I won't have to have a blood transfusion and being selfish now. Exactly! Exactly and we've made this allegation against the Blood Banks and of course as we go into Blood Banks and talk with directors tell them they are on notice here's the evidence right here its communicable It says so right here In 103-600, it says the disease is communicable. Now if you don't understand communicable means in blood in semen and bodily fluids Why do you think? You were talking about as this population control I'm not saying It was meant as population control But I am saying that if you have a disease And you allow your people in the general population to get it and you allow people to have blood transfusions and disperse this disease It is going to

56:20 control your population whether you want to or not. Well, I don't know if you're familiar with the Hegelian principle where you create the crisis and then you create fear and hysteria. Step three is that you come in with a solution meaning bigger government more taking over taxes and resources. You come in and present a solution for the problem you created in step one and two. I'm suggesting that the enemy, the people who control this system do things like that. That's what I am suggesting. I understand your suggesting it but listen to this The John Birch Society has just accused me in their latest magazine of trying to scare people into the new world order

57:09 May I interrupt you briefly and then I'll let... Sure, I'm sorry. I've got one comment to say and this is to Only for help I challenge all true Christians to do like we are going to do Save an extra 10% a tithe to send to your back here. We can't do that. We can't do that Cut it cut it cut it cut well, sorry Robert. We can't do that Disconnect him real quick. We can't do that down here. Well get that's and that's we got suspended for doing that down here Okay next caller you're on the air

57:55 Hello, I would like to ask Joyce if she knows. See I got a letter from Dr. Nichols when i was in prison and uh In regards to the same thing and do you know of any epidemic this being broken out in the TDC system through the John Sealy Hospital through chemical testing? An epidemic of it in the John Seely? Well, no. It was supposed to come from the John Seely Hospital with the same symptoms, same epidemic chemical testing before Gulf War treatment We have a lot of inmates in the Texas prison system now that have the same symptoms but many of the institutional doctors are putting off various other types of illnesses Right Let me ask you question Have you

58:43 You said you were tested, were you tested for it? No I was not tested but i had an inmate in the cell next to me who had been tested for it and he has the same symptoms as described earlier on the show. And there are others in the same unit we have received Word to the Coalition of Prisoners' Rights in New Mexico that this came out through John Seely Hospital. We now know from some of the research that Dr. Nicholson has done as well as a lady named Sally Medley, who was by the way at the meeting last night from Huntsville Texas has been doing a lot of research into where this disease started in the 1980's we found the same mycoplasmal outbreak of the same biological warfare agent that were talking about right now but Gulf War veterans have was found in Huntsville Texas at the Texas Department of Corrections

59:46 Now, we now know that some of the doctors that were working on this as a research project and we also know that they were there at Huntsville at that time. We know that some immunizations were given to some of the prisoners there and it was called a flu vaccine though it was given intradermally in this area which is never done. We know that people such as what he was just talking about came down ill with his disease And right now in Huntsville, Texas there are something like 67 cases of multiple sclerosis. In the town is I believe 35 thousand. There were prisoners that got this disease those prisoners many of them have since died the prisoners gave the guards their disease the guards gave it to their families they're about 350 people now that have this disease in Huntsville Texas There's an ongoing investigation right now

1:00:41 I won't mention by whom, but they are now looking into this as being perhaps the testing ground prior to the Gulf War of the vaccination that we received. So it all comes together but what he was saying is that the guy in a cell next to him was positive for this mycoplasma and that is probably why TDC at Huntsville was the one area where we found most people with this disease Now you know something Joyce When people doubt what we're saying or they say, you know, you're just radical and our government wouldn't do this. What has come to light in the last two or three years?

1:01:21 the southerners, the black men that were...do you know what I'm talking about? Absolutely. Okay tell us your nurse tell us what happened because they were just told a bold-faced lie and many of them died it was treating what syphilis or... Oh yes, Tuskegee. Yeah yes see these experiments and we're not talking about just Tuskegee there have been experiments going on since 1940s and 1950s. Yeah, there have been many of these. You were the great swine flu epidemic? Yes yeah yes this whole thing about mandatory government shots oh I wouldn't take a shot for anything right now but that there's no way yeah but the Tuskegee thing they had people that were sick

1:02:03 Right. The story is that basically 399 black men, if you look at the story that appeared in the AP, uh, the AP Story February 21st of this year, 399 black men were allowed to get the disease syphilis and allowed to have it for 40 years in which it was untreated even though there was penicillin at the time that would treat it. Forty years! Now the AP Story and the Pittsburgh Press said the Pittsburgh newspaper because I was there the day it came out and it, and I didn't sleep that night. I was so angry It says 399 black men from 1932 to 1972 The government allowed these men to suffer and die That was the words from the AP story

1:02:44 The government experimented upon these people and allowed them to suffer and die because they were using them just like lab That's right. And you know my response to that is how could any real america not say i'm sorry, that is it There it is boldface in the newspaper that the government allowed them to suffer and die during an experiment Now it wasn't just 399 men It was over 6 000 people that were all involved in this because their spouses got it. Their children were born to farm yes but nobody talks about the other 6,000 people and so when Clinton comes across the stage and he introduces apologizing on behalf of America in the government which by the way I need to tell him i had nothing to do with that and I wouldn't have never had any would never have anything to do with that was one we were so innocent

1:03:35 That's what gets me about it. Oh yeah, it was a long time ago but you know what? 1972 is when it ended that was the last part of the study You know what I say when Clinton comes across the stage and says we behalf...you know We apologize and he talked about how this 98 year old guy has a garden of his own He made it look like it's good to have syphilis, you know I mean he was inappropriate as all get out And then I didn't want to see him come across that stage with an apology. I wanted him to bring a list of names and indictments of people that were going to spend the rest of their lives in prison for what they had done during that experiment you...that violates everything this country stands for. Well it violates what we stand for as humans

1:04:17 That's right. But the thing about it, it is still not over like you say who do we know that still has it from a child or an adult or somebody? You know they are stil suffering from what was passed on because its so highly contagious How much of the disease? How many blind people? You have to tell me your piece, but we're talking here. How much of the disease in Georgia and Mississippi and Alabama? Right. Babies that were born with things wrong with them that shouldn't have happened. Yes. Read your website. Okay. www dot gulf war vets dot com is the website And the address to write us is Gulf War 3506 Highway 6 South

1:05:04 Number 117 Sugar Land, Texas 774 78 dash 4401 the phone number is 281587 543 7 leave a number and I'll call you back Let me just now now let me just insert some of these things. I've been doing some investigation myself I'm just gonna hit you with it The World Health Organization, that's a loving organization. Now there are definite conclusions coming that they are actually linking the World Health Organization to the spread of a lot of these contagious diseases. But let me just take you back. Fluoride in our water... What I submit to you is they're poisonous on every front. Aspartame was used by the Nazis

1:05:59 which is now in NutraSweet and our Diet Cokes, and things like this. There's all types of different evidence that there is food irradiation here about this food which kills the live enzymes from our foods What I'm suggesting through our food water supply... These people who are the enemies of the American people and the world are literally poisonous just on their basic food water systems Fond of any of that Joyce? Oh have I. I will tell you first of all, believe me I have. Believe me I have! I mean I lay awake nights thinking about this stuff. I drank fluoride water and it will not make you sterile okay

1:06:41 Well, no this is true though. Has been linked to stomach and liver cancer. Okay let me tell you something. If you drink enough of it... I got some... What about food or radiation? You know anything about that? Wait wait hold on a second okay Let me start back with fluoride because i want to mention this to you under project MK ultra which a lot of people know that There were 175 sub-projects under MKUltra, which people don't know about. One of them and I got the declassified documents... Have you ever seen the declassified documents on MKUltra? No, I haven't. See everybody talks about it but nobody has the documents so i went to where I could find a copy of only one of the few remaining MKUltra documents and I got it!

1:07:17 And I had to take it one page at a time off the microfilm, but I got it. And in there is Dr. Geschichter from the Geschichter Institute at Georgetown University who's being asked how did you spend all your money from MKUltra that you were given? The millions of dollars and he said I was investigating fluoride and chlorine and rocket fuels halogen derivatives and they said what was your response? He said I found they caused cancer Now that was in a 1977 congressional hearing. Georgetown University professor said that, I don't think that hit the news do you? But they care about our tea Exactly they care, rat poison The aspartame too, Hitler used aspartame it's subtle It kind of works the same thing and makes it docile

1:08:05 Well, I heard absolutely and i've heard all of the negative that goes on with aspartame but see this loving fda is approving these things You know supposedly we're supposed to believe that what they're saying what they approve is good for us Oh absolutely. We're supposed to believe whatever they tell us or whatever's advertised Yeah Did you know that FDA does not test anything? Did you know that They depend upon the pharmaceutical companies to test them oh They're going to be honest All they have at stake is millions of dollars to make. What about food irradiation? Oh, food irradiation! Now you're going to get me really going. Food irradiation makes me livid. But they've got to protect our bees. No, no there was only one thing that legally you could not irradiate.

1:08:49 beef and lo and behold we have the Hudson Farms problem. Isn't that amazing? I'll tell you what get a book called The Food That Would Last... We can say get a book but in a book In a book that could be found at a used library, a used bookstore Could you give us a list of what we could eat because i think it will be shorter It's scary They're gonna irradiate everything Because think about if nothing will grow in it Nothing will grow in it right no microorganisms will grow in. It well how good is that going to be for you? Yeah, does it change the DNA structure absolutely at all about all the antibiotics I've been giving poultry and beef and all these years have nothing oh a lot But you see people don't understand that Our weight wait we got a phone call yeah, we do hold on just a minute being rude okay now That's alright. I just want to say you study

1:09:42 I'm sorry if it seemed kind of disrespectful when you were talking about the soldier named Scott and you showed his picture. picture two weeks before he died. But right when you said that, Joyce, that flag came off that wall and I had to get a chuckle because I knew he was there with ya and he was supporting you." Oh, that's kind of you! Thank you for saying that. So I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think it was disrespectful cause' I had a smile on my face when she said that. Thank you for saying that. Let me explain what she is

1:10:19 A while ago they showed a young man who had a tube in his nose that was very sick on the picture. Let me explain what that's all about, That is one of America's heroes and I don't do that lightly, I don't show that picture up there lightly but that was one of America's heroes That was Scott Seifkin he had served in the Army He served in the National Guard came back from the Gulf War he had a rash And the VA told him that there was only one thing they could do to save his life, and that was they needed to remove his skin. Well during the meeting yesterday as I was talking about Scott and we put his picture up there... The American flag fell down at that time

1:10:57 And she was saying that at the time, that she had let out sort of a laugh or a comment. And what she was saying was Scott was with us there at the meeting because Scott is... That's right I believe this more than Jeff did but no I believe it and that's right. Scott comes from one of most patriotic families he had five brothers and sisters in the military or five sisters served in the military Five out of six kids served in the military. And the flag fell off the wall at the time we showed this picture. But that's one of America's heroes, in fact they did remove Scott's skin and uh... The picture that we had was on the TV a little while ago it was two weeks before Scott died and that is an experiment that went awry and he died I will just say this in all due respect for Scott is that 2 weeks after he died his only son was born

1:11:52 his daddy with a rocket ship and bring him back so that everybody will quit fighting. Thatís Scott Seifkin right there, one of Americaís heroes. Now thatís the real Gulf War illness Dan Rather doesnít tell you about. Itís a real Gulf War illness that CNN wonít tell you about and his mother asked me if I would show that picture because America needs to understand whatís happening to its veterans. Itís horrible to look at that, I know itís very uncomfortable to look at that picture but that is what happens when you serve your country And you're guilty of nothing more than willing to die for it. You come back here and he was told he had a mental problem, and the sad part is his family now has that rash." They came to the meeting we did up in Waterloo Iowa and his mother held out her hand and said see I've got it. It's spreading into their family now

1:12:36 So the tragedy is it's all these experiments all the way along. Is it chloride, chlorine vaccinations flu shots? I would not get a flu shot. I would not get an immunization now because of what I know. Okay now there's a new flu have you seen that like in the last 24 hours? The Hong Kong which love that and how do they always know yeah Now they'll tell they're telling you where are going to be the big flu cities in the next six weeks? Are they smarter what They either have a psychic working for them or I'm not sure how they can figure that out. What it boils down through this government Mears Rome, you know the modern Roman Emperors who were just slave men bread and games III would literally suggest

1:13:34 We're actually running out of time here. I want to give, do you have any before we get to our closing comments here? Do you have any... Okay, we've, I think we've established for anybody watching the show that this government is totally irresponsible. They are not taking care their veterans. Yeah well they are just basically... That's right. Do you have any solutions for this or anything that your fighting for George? First of all I want Austin to come together and form an Operation Braveheart. I want to see Operation Braveheart started here in every town across the nation where they take care of their veterans because these guys need help, they're too sick, they need support. And if that means we're going to go to TV stations or mainstream media with placards or something you know whatever we decide it is a town to do Every town across the country needs to do something

1:14:26 They need to get involved with these veterans. What's that, like a non-profit type thing? Oh it won't even be that! It'll just loosely group people who come together because they care. Operation Braveheart. We want somebody to take responsibility for starting that here in Austin. It can be Gulf War Veterans, friends of Gulf War Veterans, family of Gulf War Veterans...whatever Then we need to start writing our congressmen some serious letters, like holding their feet to the fire. Like Phil Graham sat on this committee. Phil Graham has full knowledge that disease is communicable He has full knowledge that the disease is killing our veterans His name is in here and he knows about it And I want to know when these people are going to be held accountable for their actions Our own Phil Graham having been one of 15 people who sat on that committee Is extremely accountable Um...I want us to get involved

1:15:12 as an American. population as a group to start looking at evidence behind what we talk about. Get these documents, some of them aren't available any longer from Congress or from the Senate but get it do your investigation and find out if I'm really telling you the truth because if I'm telling you the truth then were in more trouble than even just this nice conversation here between three of us can even portray We're in more trouble because that means we are intentionally allowing our military die And if that is true, and it will happen to our military. You know the saying they came for the Jews and I wasn't a Jew? Right They came for the Catholics and I wasn't Catholic Well they're coming for your military right now one person at a time

1:15:55 And if we don't do something about it, it's going to be us next. Hello? Joyce? Yes? Hello? Yes, Carla real quickly we're running out of time here. This is Dabs I want to know where you get printed literature to give people... Well just go ahead and get a hold of our comment line that would be the way to handle that 3-7 put up the comment line any message that comes to Joyce actually we can put your Your number. You can contact me and I can tell you where to find it, which government documents you need. Go ahead and read that again real quick. Okay Gulf War the address 3506 Highway 6 South Number 117 Sugar Land Texas 77478

1:16:41 Phone number 281-587-5437. website www.gulfwarvets.com and I can tell you which documents are available from the government. Yeah, I want to know why they had to remove his skin Actually we're running out of time here We don't know That's going to be the last call for tonight the thing people better start to realize because Saddam is over there trying to bait us again. We're not through with him and it's almost justice because we created these little fellow and he's our little child right? That's right! Say it Joy, she gets so mad at me. Yeah we armed him and now we've earned him. This is not something that is going to be when you start dealing with viruses

1:17:47 It's deadly. It's biological terrorism and 25 other countries have these same biological agents because we sold them to 25 of the countries. And they cannot differentiate these little things that come out and get you, they can't say let's get people in uniform! They get whoever is there and it may be you or your child. That's right. bad things on us. He or someone, and we don't know who is but we know were being set up for it though And they're busy busy busy cooking up their little recipes aren't they? And the sad part is that I do think this going to happen in this country Oh George I think biological terrorism unfortunately is imminent We have given too many countries this There are some people that believe that up to 50 countries now have this and were making an enemy

1:18:36 enemies many places by going in with these human actions and I'm afraid we're setting ourselves up as a target. But this one is a whole new battlefield you can't fight over forget it yeah that would start to look good probably compared to what's gonna happen to us if don't get a handle on this It's Pandora's box, we have opened Pandora's box truly and we are going to be the victims of it. I suggest to you that some little horned excursion out there does kill the big enemy It was very well. We know that somebody is setting us up for it. Okay, I want to just give you all... we've got two minutes left. Joyce, closing comments? Well, I just hope everybody's going to listen and I hope that you're unrecognized the fact that that Joyce Riley is truly a hero and I think a lot of us have no you are you are and she's uh a true patriot and woman and I'm proud of you well thank you let me say good luck to your on your radio show good luck to you honey don't kiss me you might have something I'd catch

1:19:36 I want to say that, um...I believe i was healed for this reason. This is not anything I've done this is my mission that I have been given because I will never forget where I come from and I was sick very very sick and I will not forget I will not ever forget because there are Gulf War veterans out there who are sick right now as we speak their wives, spouses, children And I want them know that America will care As soon as America finds out. And that's why we need every person out there to circulate these videos, get this information out Get the documents yourself Don't believe me! Get the documents yourself and then we've got to move forward together Joyce Isaacs, I appreciate you coming on Jeff Davis Show Anytime Jeff, I love it Joyce Riley God bless ya dear Keep up the good work With that folks were going to wind it down I appreciate the callers and our guests here tonight God bless you folks and death to the new world order

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