Jeff Davis(Classic 1997) Captain Joyce Riley [part 1] [M81ODpDbDL4]

00:00 Hello folks, this is Jeff Davis with the legendary Jeff Davis Show from Central Texas USA and I love my cans and archives. Peace out baby! Hi i'm Joyce Riley you're watching The Jeff Davis Show and for more information on what's happening with the Gulf War illness stay tuned to The Jeff Davis Show I had a dream the other night that, well...I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand! His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed He took off his three-cornered hat And speaking low to me said We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. Now just briefly here before we get to our guest

01:08 We have a hot show for you today. In 1990, I was one of the first ones to come out in Austin Texas publicly against deserts fraud...I mean Desert Storm. Fraud! Storm Fraud Now with us today we have two illustrious guests One is a former KVET radio host who's got a new job on the radio and she's a dear friend of ours Joyce Isaacs and also in the studio one of the leaders if not the leader in fighting for the Gulf War illness business, Ms. Joyce Riley. A true hero and patriot she really is thank you very much my pleasure to be here okay I want to just open it up then

01:53 Which one of y'all wants to go first? Well, let Joy. She's an Army officer or Air Force nurse. You're from Houston right? Yes I'm from Houston. I want to say that I had the pleasure of being here in Austin because some Gulf War veterans and some very concerned people here wanted to have a meeting to show the evidence because you know we've been talking about this on the radio for a long time. In fact, Carl Wigglesworth's show was kind enough to have us on The Air The Other Day also and Keith Perry on his micro-broadcasting station and I want to say that I don't want anyone to believe me just because I say this. Don't believe me just because you're hearing it on the radio or you see something on TV, because that's a problem we're into right now with Pentagon and the information they are putting out so we came to Austin to put on the information to show the evidence which we did last night at The American Legion and by doing that we showed evidence of whether not this Gulf War illness is real Is it as serious as everybody says? And has the US government known this information since 1991 and failed to tell the American public

02:54 So we left it open for the public to see. We left it open for the public to decide in their own minds, is this true or not? Because if people understand what's happening right now... If I am correct with what I'm saying that means we have a Pentagon right now that has lied to the American people, lied to our military allowed them to get sick, allowed them to die and allowed them to transfer this disease to other people. Now wait a minute Joyce! It's easy to believe you because YOU were there Weren't you? Well, I wasn't in the theater of operations and this is why this is part of my story. Okay. I did not go to Desert Storm. Uh- I served... But you found out about it. You were one of the pioneers that found out about it. Oh! I got sick. That'll teach ya real quick if you've got a problem. That will get your teaching really quick. That's right and what happened was as a flight nurse in the Air Force Reserve, I volunteered to go back at Kelly Air Force Base on the 32nd AES

05:13 that we need to upload about 25 year old tapes. There we go, that's better. Magic of TV I think your audience probably understands it Live television And so what i did was as a flight nurse and volunteered to go back to Desert Storm Was...I volunteered to go to Kelly Air Force Base I did not go the Theater Of Operations because of the cease fire But I did fly around in C-130 from Alaska to Cuba doing missions an trying to serve my country And I want to say that to every veteran out there and every person listening to this program, you joined the military for the right reasons. And I am a very pro-America person, pro-military. I am not anti-American and I'm not anti-military and I want that clearly understood here...that I support this form of government and I would have died for it and I still would die for it but we have now a credibility problem with our Pentagon is more serious than anything that I can imagine

06:12 And the allegations that I am making against the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, the CIA and the Veterans Administration is more serious than anything anyone is saying anywhere in this country. What exactly isn't? For people who haven't heard you, what exactly isn't it that your...you kind of stumbled onto this Well, I became ill. I served as a flight nurse from January to July of 1991 From July to December, I became ill and was hospitalized in December 1991 at St Luke's Hospital in Houston And as a result of that I was diagnosed with some type of unknown central nervous system disorder similar to multiple sclerosis which many many Gulf War veterans have This is not just me Many Gulf War veterans have MS

06:59 So I was diagnosed with this and it took me over the next year to get better. And finally, I started to recuperate and I'm okay today but i was treated early on. The whole entire reason that I am doing what I am doing is because there are those that are dying right now There are family members that are sick as a result of this disease and I want it stopped. I want the Pentagon to come forward with the truth, I want the American people understand there is Gulf War illness. Joyce, thats the most frightening thing you never were in the Gulf War theater you say? That's right But you got it from somewhere Yes And other family members of veterans

07:37 have gotten it. It makes me cold when I think of it, because is just...is it airborne? Do we have any idea?" Okay let me give this part as my opinion and very little what I say is opinion because I use evidence, I use documents to prove what I'm saying so that the people listening will not think that this is just my opinion let me preface by saying first of all I am not a physician and I'm not giving medical advice tonight This is based on documents. Everything that I say to you is based on documents unless I tell you differently and this is my opinion, I believe 75% of the illness that Gulf War veterans are experiencing is due to the vaccinations we received. Vaccinations our own country gave us that were experimental, not necessarily to protect us during wartime but had ulterior motives

08:28 25% of the disease, I believe is due to biological chemical and nuclear exposures. Now we have people that obviously suffered from chemical exposures at Kamasia and many other areas that were detonated over there We know there were nuclear plants blown up in Iraq We know that there were chemical and biological munitions areas that were blown up And we know that the exposure from that has affected our troops Now, my concern though and I want to separate right now biological from chemical. Chemical may be sarin gas or taven gas. Chemical may be oil well fires exposure to oil well fire environmental exposures but the concern i have is not those three because you don't bring home an oil well fire problem after the war and give it to your family Biological is a whole different arena and biological is the exposure

09:22 viral, rickettsial, bacteriological or fungal agents that can be spread to other people. So we know that our troops were somehow exposed to a biological agent and did our country do it? Did Iraq do it? I don't know that we're going into the full answer of that but I know that I was nowhere over there. Right And your point is well made so Right after the war when I became so ill with a disease that they said they'd never seen before and symptoms They've never seen before. I wanted to know where it came from and I called Veterans Administration I called the DOD, and of course my response from them was there's nothing wrong with you nobody sick everybody's fine Thank you very much don't bother to call us back That's what I knew we had a problem because you know epidemiologically if a nurse calls you And by the way I've been a nurse for 25 years

10:12 And let me just establish who I am and what I've done before this. I just didn't come out from under a rock in 1993 and start yelling conspiracy, Gulf War! I have been a director of nursing for two hospitals in San Antonio for a long-term care facility. I've taught nursing courses, um...I've lectured, I have done a lot of things in the nursing arena for 25 years! I was the most naive person, uh..I mean I knew there were these two houses in Washington one was called Congress and one was called The Senate but other than that I knew very little literally I was not involved with anything. But I don't know if you were naive or like a lot us you were trusting? Yes

10:51 Yes, maybe that's a better word. Oh was you're sitting next to a veteran how long were you in the 13 years? United States Air Force 13 years Wow I actually see I made this We'll get into maybe a little bit of this later, Joyce. But I kind of disagree with your initial statement that one of your statements... See? I completely distrust this government. I think most of these wars now are nothing more than international bankers just fattening their wallets. All right but did you know that 13 years ago when he joined the military? No! That's what i'm talking about now. Right, but it hasn't come to our realization that we were duped when we were in there.

11:30 And if you'd been talking to me like this, or saying these things in 1989 I would have said get away from me. He's just crazy. That's right! Because I was the most pro-military person. My father was in the Army Air Corps, my mother was in the Navy. My mother outranked my father so I always say that I came from a dysfunctional family. And you know when I say this to let people know, I am not anti military! I mean going up in a c-130 was the greatest source of satisfaction In being a flight nurse that i could have imagined but joyce if you didn't love this country and you didn't love The military then, you wouldn't have to be doing what. You're doing? You do love this country And that's why you've got standup and because something is terribly wrong Not only that we

12:22 Three times I raised my hand in a vow to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I can honestly say George that I have maintained that vow That's right, you have. And you know I never understood what domestic enemies even meant when I took that. I never understood In fact with George Bush in 1987 I believe it was, I invited him to come to Houston sign an organ donor card and be involved with a big PR for organ transplantation because i was a national organ donor nurse at that time

13:00 And I met George Bush and Barbara Bush, greatest people in the world. I thought and I had no idea...I was getting ready to be poisoned by my country. Had no idea what these people represented And so as a result of that and like we were talking about how did I figure out what was going on with me? What did i have in that was correlating with what the other Gulf War veterans had. The only two things we had in common, was we received the same vaccinations and I had exposure to the troops. And those are the two variables right there. That's it. That was your... So that's all I had to begin with. So I said I know something happened to me during the Gulf War.

13:38 I'm sick, I have this inability to use my legs that was transient. It would come and go. I was trying to work as a heart transplant nurse in Houston at the time it was very taxing. Um...I worked 16 hour shifts. I was not afraid of work. I could work with anyone you know? Work with the best of them and so for them to tell me that oh! You just don't want to work any longer or something there was no nothing too bad. When you have a passion for your profession Sure But this was a physical thing. And that's the problem we've got right now is because Gulf War veterans are being labeled as having this mental disorder now if they come forward and say they've got Gulf War illness. Oh, is that the latest strategy? Oh absolutely! The intimidation is incredible what they're doing

14:22 So if you're a Gulf War veteran, and you go to the VA hospital. I don't care if your hemorrhaging, what's wrong with you? The first thing that the VA facility does is give you psychological evaluation If your a Gulf war veteran And from 2-12 hours worth of testing Then they will pin some type of PTSD disorder Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Some type of diagnosis that can be related to a psychological disease So that then they can say, oh well he's got a psychological problem. This is not a real illness But we had a little...we should have realized this might happen again because the Vietnam vet wasn't treated very well and when they kept saying you know this is happening to my body That's happening to my body and were having children there was something wrong And nobody wanted hear that either did they? Well your exactly right and thats why I say I owe every Vietnam veteran an apology

15:20 because when they were coming back from over there and we're sick. I was listening to the news media. I was a young buck nurse getting ready to join the Air Force Reserve and they told me, uh...the media told me these guys are bunch of guy who came back with foot fungus and want to be taken care for a lifetime. They're babies. They're just squallies yeah? And I believed it! There were bunch of gold bricks. And I believe that. I didn't know they had disease that might kill them. I didn't know they were going have deformed children later on. Do you know we have never ever treated any of the Agent Orange veterans They've never been treated to this day. They've been given a check for $600 and told to go away and thank you very much six hundred dollars The majority of them have been paid less than a thousand dollars And so we now have and everybody thinks they've been taken care of because the good media On behalf of the Pentagon that, you know Clinton came out and said oh We're going to take care of these veterans. They were not taken care of I

16:16 And now the wives that are married to Vietnam veterans, now have sons that are Gulf War veterans. And we have a Vietnam Veterans Wives group that is just formed for that reason and the sad part is those women are in charge of making a quilt now for all of the deaths of Agent Orange and the deaths of Gulf War illness To which the Pentagon has never ever addressed the deaths of these people Did this not come Now these are all whitewashes, these so-called investigations. But did this not come to a house investigation? It did and there was only one real true investigation and by the way the report of that investigation has been taken out of the government printing office you can't even purchase it any longer

17:02 This is 103-900 and it is the United States dual use exports to Iraq. It's a committee on housing, banking and urban affairs. We're going to go ahead and get a close up of that. I would hope, yeah. This is a 600 page document that's no longer available from the government printing office and if i were a Gulf War veteran I'd be pretty furious to know that I couldn't find out why I was sick it's in here It's all in here this is Senator Don Regal's committee which he did this in 1993-1994 came out with his final report and the report is scathing it literally calls this cover up

17:44 It talks about the antibiotics that were effective for Gulf War veterans in 1993. It talks about the violent mental attacks they're having right now, in which they're doing violent crimes—Gulf War veterans. Uh...it mentions everything! It talks about the company that sold those biological warfare agents to Saddam Hussein Right here in the United States. I was going to say you're gonna tell us aren't you that they came from here? Absolutely, well we created him why shouldn't We sell him something did we created him we created Saddam Hussein let me tell You the four things that this report says that you've not heard From the United States government first of all the summary of this 600 page document is one nuclear and biological chemical Biological and chemical agents were used two our troops are not just sick They are dying

18:34 Three, the disease is communicable. And four we knowingly exported to Saddam Hussein with the full knowledge of the Department of Commerce and the CDC the weapons of mass destruction biological warfare agents Which brings us into the whole thing now as to where we stand with Saddam Hussein, which is another old story we'll get to in a minute. But I think that's very important to understand what is going on now has a lot to do with what has been covered up over the past four or five years from the American people because now it's all going to come out Their house of cards is going to fall down. You think so? I do! They've kept a pretty good house of cards for a long time. They sure have, but General Schwarzkopf... Not just in this but in everything else Yes But you got too many dying veterans now This is just blighted Yes it's just blightened You know you've got too many dying veterans right now and General Schwarzkopf uh... in 1993 we made a video that has evidence on it strictly evidence and in it we accused General Schwarzkopf not having told the truth

19:35 in September of this year before a committee hearing. And all of the sudden, three weeks after this video comes out and is on The Art Bell Show General Schwarzkopf admits uh... in September 15th 1997 that he did not tell the Senate the truth when he testified in 1997 This is the first big domino to fall. Get a close up of that real quick. This was in 19- September 15th of 1997 USA Today And I will tell you that this is going to be the beginning. Gulf illness treated cavalierly, and I'll read you a statement from this. The statement is...

20:15 Gulf War illness in the years following 1991 conflict with Iraq were handled, was handled very cavalierly by the Pentagon says Schwarzkopf. Schwarzkopf told Gannett News Service he regretted not telling senators earlier this year about a chemical weapons case involving an Ohio soldier It says unpublished battlefront reports showing that Schwarzkopf knew about the soldier in 1991 raised questions about why he told Congress this year he had no knowledge of anyone being exposed to chemical weapons Then over here they asked Schwarzkopf why he didn't tell the truth and he said, I wish I had now. It wasn't a question of it slipping my mind that I should have told the truth Now this is the unpublished battlefront report that General Schwarzkopf did not reveal We put a copy in our documentation package that was in the video

21:05 And this is an actual nuclear biological and chemical log of General Schwarzkopf. This is an NBC log dated 3 March 1991, and General Schwarzkopf had to read these documents every single day. It came from Central Command, CENTCOM and General Schwarzkopf had full knowledge of this information. Now that's what an NBC log looks like, it has been declassified and they are not available any longer if you do a FOIA request Freedom Of Information Act request it is not going to look like this its going to be redacted but we have some copies the original ones and were making them as fast as we can But let me just read to you what General Schwarzkopf knew At 1515 in the afternoon at 3-15 it says Lieutenant Colonel Wade advised

21:55 that Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldier of the 3rd Armored Division does have blisters characteristic of H. muster chemical agent Now see, the question had been raised were there any biological or chemical exposures? And he said no. There was none In fact the official statement from the Pentagon is there is no evidence classified or unclassified to show that biological or chemical agents were used That's an absolute lie An absolute lie Joyce it's just such a big lie I mean its just so It's more than a lie, it's petroleum Well, it is. It's a betrayal but it is also a public health hazard because even if we talk about what happened with the Gulf War veterans over there and General Schwarzkopf not telling the truth that's one thing but now look at the innocent people Austin was a military town during that time

22:48 How many military people have now transferred this disease to someone else? Is that the right number, Joyce? 281. That's correct. Okay. 587-5436. Right! That is the number they can contact if they need to get in touch with me because we don't want anyone left frustrated or without any place to turn too because this is a serious assault. But you are saying Austin is a military town and because of it being a military town San Antonio being a huge military town I mean now were having large numbers cases of new disease that nobody ever heard about before 1991, that everybody's taking for granted now called fibromyalgia. Nobody ever heard about it before 19- No, but and Is that all correct? Is that right is that your website www.com? The address as far as the website is www.gulfwarvets.com But it's all small letters not large letters www.gulfwarvets.com And our address is Gulf War 3506 Highway 6 South number 117

23:50 Sugar Land, Texas 774-78-4401. The phone number is 281-587-5437 You can leave a number and I can get back to you And again the website is www.gophervets.com We'll get right back to your classic video here on Hanson Archives or if you're watching Mike Hanson Archives on YouTube Just want to remind you, you'll see the address pop up or phone number. I want to invite you to buy my book here It's when Alex and I snuck into the Bohemia Grove The book is called Bohemia Grove Cult of Conspiracy

24:41 If you send $25 to that address, I'll sign it and what will happen with the money is something good. We're taking all the hundreds and hundreds of VCR tapes which we used to use in old days and transfer them over to computer and putting them up on the internet which is Very hard job believe it or not and very expensive job. So if you get a chance and Tex Morris just actually just passed away he's the one that forwarded the book And he just barely passed away month or two ago, and There's Alex and I when we were younger We both look pretty good there then

25:35 It's 25 years later now, but go ahead and if you can. Also if you want to call that number we also got a credit card machine we can charge it if you need too I know a lot of people don't like to send the money order or check or anything like that But we'll get it right back out to you $25 for the book and it will go for good cause So, God bless and now we're gonna get back to... your classic video here on YouTube. And what were you saying? Fibromyalgia. Okay, because that in the talk show circuit that's a word that has come into being and it is funny you should say because I thought well I'm just dumb right? I didn't know that word but i would say probably in the last 10 months or year maybe that word has started to come up again and so that's all that explains a lot Did you ever hear about fibromyalgia before 1991

26:36 Did you Jeff? No, I haven't in fact. I haven't even heard of it before you do. Okay, how about chronic fatigue syndrome oh, yeah We have that yeah all right chronic fatigue is is a big disease that you've seen in epidemic proportions since 1991. Now, what we now know is that 62% of the chronic fatigue patients are now positive for the same biological warfare agent the Gulf War veterans have. Where does this come from? Why do we have people reporting that they have been doctors and nurses taking care of Gulf War veterans, and now they have the disease? And they test positive in their blood for it. So we're not talking people that are just being biased by what they hear or why they play sick or take on the symptoms We're talking about people who are actually testing positive now. This blood test, maybe I should explain...we have identified a biological warfare agent It is called Mycoplasma incognitus

27:35 It is a biological warfare agent that is not found in nature. We believe it's man-made, the DNA sequences are so rare its got to be man made. It was identified at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston Who identified them? Dr. Garth Nicholson, you've probably had him on your program haven't you? I'm baiting her. Yeah he and his wife Nancy is that right? She's a doctor but their daughter got sick didn't she? Right! And so they... You three are probably the big big flies in the heart much because you came up with it. Well, we're the pain in the backside of the Pentagon right now. Well I was going to let you say that but I'd be proud to be the back... Yeah, that's a... But you three are and your all two doctors and very experienced nurse And course he lost his job Can I say that on air? Sure He lost his job because he was telling the truth That's right! He was a tenured professor for 15 years at the MD Anderson Cancer Center

28:35 He and Dr. Nancy Nicholson identified this biological warfare agent, I think it's important to understand why his daughter was on a Black Hawk helicopter doing deep insertions into Iraq she comes back with the disease in 1991 and all of sudden the entire family gets the disease Now, he was trained to go into a lab and find out why there is a disease. That's what he does! What causes it? That's right. He's a cell biology professor. And we better just kiss the ground that he walks on because... He's a hero. He is not only in this but many other things in his life Joyce. He has made our lives better. The 60 Minutes told me that they said he was one of the most well respected cancer researchers in America.

29:21 Yes, in this entire country. Yes and this is how he got repaid for telling the truth Yeah It makes about to cry it makes me so mad choice I just makes me furious Have you have you met him before no just all the fun of her just on the phone He is an incredible person. He wants nothing more than to see Gulf War veterans treated And so for three years he collected blood samples at MD Anderson Cancer Center and tested them at his own expense And he told me one time on a Sunday afternoon, he came in and said Joyce I just came in and they've unhooked my freezer again. His freezer of specimens was left to heat up and it didn't happen then they were able to save the specimens but then he was later told that if he didn't stop the Gophort research that he was essentially out of there so he did

30:11 He went to California. There are only two places in the country that now test for this biological warfare agent, and both of them are in California. One is Dr. Nicholson and then there's another lab in California but you don't have very many labs that test for biological warfare agents because up until 1991 we didn't need it! Well according to a lot people now, we do not have it anywhere right? That's correct So there you are In fact, we should talk about what the official government position is right now The Pentagon position. Let me just mention first folks, if y'all this is a live program you might take some calls later at the end of the program. Please! Okay we've been running tapes down here this is a live program so if you all want to it's 477 ACTV folks 477 ACTV if you want to talk to Joyce Isaac or Joyce Riley

30:59 They'll be visiting with us. Or Jeff Davis! Or me, but I'm actually learning from this because I have to admit that I don't know a whole lot about what she's saying but it is interesting and i hope you and I don't need to know very much about it thats a very selfish...it makes me mad But this another thing we might bring up It looks like were going to get back into it with him sooner or later And when I just think about things, don't lie if I used to write farm scripts. Anthrax and those things... This man he has no regard for anything but his way in the world and we may all who knows what could happen to us Joyce? Now if you're not concerned about veterans you better start being concerned about yourself

31:46 I want to just make sure i understand you're basically stating that you believe that through vaccines, our military people were pumped whatever's causing this. I think the majority of those especially those who didn't go over there because there are those who did not go to Saudi Arabia that are just as sick and those that did go that are sick And I think the ones that did go probably got a combination of both the chemical and biological. A double whammy, yes. Yes and the vaccines Now I myself think that I probably got whatever is relative to the vaccinations Let me go into the speculative a little bit because this is not something that I could actually prove to you although The Washington Times says they can prove it The Washington Times says that? Yes and the Washington Times in Insight Magazine

32:38 printed an article about the sickness and secrecy of the Gulf War illness, I'll just show here. They printed this... it was by Paul Rodriguez August 25th 1997 he talks about the use of something called squalene. That squalene is being found in the blood of Gulf War veterans now and to the tune of about 300, majority of 400 of them had squalene. What is it? Squalene is a synthetic adjuvant, a compound that is used only in two instances that we know about in the United States right now. So if you have squalene in your blood that means you've been exposed to one of these 2 things. Number 1 it's an experimental malarial compound that has not been used widely and the second one is an anti-AIDS vaccine

33:32 Now, the thesis of what Washington Times and the British Press is saying as well as Insight Magazine is that Gulf War veterans were the recipient of anti-AIDS experimental vaccines during the Gulf War. Without their knowledge? Without their knowledge. I would think that every American would rise their feet immediately and say, I'm sorry. That's it You don't do that to our people without their knowledge because we're not talking about giving immunizations to people for the sake of protecting them in a battle zone area you Don't need an anti-aids vaccine And that's right The reason they did it was because as you know in the military you get tested mandatorily whether you want to or not So you are the best guinea pig group in the world? Yeah, I often wonder what those shots were popping

34:19 That's right. And you don't have any way of knowing? Yeah, and your shot record has a bunch of little squiggly lines on it. Have you heard the rumors about the... that the AIDS virus could be a man-made deal? The rumors. I've heard the rumors! Well, let's all leave it at that. I've heard more than that but no rumors about it But yeah...I think we need to start looking at it Part of the population control program You don't go that far huh Or maybe you do see I don't know much about drugs Oh, I'll tell ya exactly what I think If you take your military and put them in a theater of operations

34:56 and they get exposed to something, I don't care if it's cannon fodder. I don't care what it is. I don't care if its alien dust or such a thing exists. I don't care what it is and you bring those people back here and those people say I'm sick And you start writing them off as being head cases and you don't treat them when you know the treatment exists That is intentional that is criminal intent To allow those people to die Yes! I am accusing them of that Absolutely Because they know that antibiotics are effective I was treated with the antibiotics That's what Dr. Nicholson is treating for. Wait a minute, in other words if they were treated with the antibiotic... If our government would be honest about what's going on Joyce we could probably help a lot of people? Oh we could have saved thousands of lives! Is it an antibiotic that anything that we might know? Oh yeah absolutely and here again here's my disclaimer I am NOT a physician i'm not practicing medicine but dr Garth Nicholson recommends

35:54 the antibiotic doxycycline. It's a tetracycline derivative. I was going to say, yeah and i think probably you get that for other things your doctor may prescribe but if you're a DOD facility or a VA facility you are not allowed to give a Gulf War veteran doxycycline now isn't that interesting? Now wait wait a minute! You're not allowed to prescribe those in those two facilities they're not allowed too In fact, I've had many physicians call me from the VA system saying that they get audited. They get reprimanded and it's just simply not available to Gulf War veterans Now the reason being and I've had them explain this to me See first of all the disease we're talking about here The Mycoplasma is sensitive to Doxycycline I was treated with it Hundreds of Gulf war veterans have been treated

36:46 but you can't get it at a DOD facility or VA facility, so you have to go to a doctor outside. But most doctors don't know anything about it because the Pentagon tells them there's no Gulf War illness right? So they're going to say I'm sorry, you need to go the VA and get your Prozac and be quiet That's what they are giving over 90% of the Gulf War veterans that have contacted me have been offered Prozac by the Veterans Administration Now we see a problem here We sent, they're saying that 90% of the Gulf War veterans that went to fight the war over there are head cases? That 600,000 of our veterans are head cases. I don't think so. Right, our veterans then at that time they were certainly good enough to lay their life on the line for me weren't they? That's right and they were willing to die for this country. That's their only crime. That's the only thing they can be convicted of doing anything wrong They were willing to die for this country and now we repay them by placing them in Prozac

37:42 And I cannot tell you the problems we're seeing from that. The veterans that are doing acts of violence, the veterans that are committing suicide it is very very frightening and thats the reason Im on here tonight and I appreciate your giving me this opportunity to say this if your a veteran and your sick don't give up because were her for you there people who are here for you and dont give up do not think your country has abandoned Your country doesn't know about this yet, but they're going to know. And I want every veteran to know that there are people everywhere that do care and want to know the truth of this.

38:21 You're the one you're really the hero and I would think that you won't have any phone calls. You've taken one a, you know because You just have always said, you know call me call me call me I'm here and your life is at this point and your husband's to it revolves around this doesn't it? Oh absolutely Absolutely That's all we do that's all we think about day and night now We get go for veterans phone calls especially from the 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne Big Red One out of Kansas. They're really sick they're very sick 3rd Armored Division 2nd Armored Division Fort Bliss a lot of those people are sick Fort Bragg is a very sick base and they're not allowed if they're still in the military to talk about it now here's that here's a statistic that's very important and that is that 90% of the Gulf War veterans have served are already out of the military

39:14 So that's including Guard, Reserve and Active Duty. 90% are already out. So Colin Powell said there was going to be a downsizing right after the war of 25%. We've seen 90%. The Big Red One in Kansas was letting out people to the tune of 350 a day because they knew they were gonna be sick. They knew they had had these exposures. They knew there were gonna be problems because people started getting sick during the Gulf War So now we've got the problem of what's happened to these people. They're in your city, they're in everybody's city now and the problem with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia is that this disease affects now the general population 6 million fibromyalgia patients 18 million chronic fatigue patients where do these come from? Well we know that mycoplasma has been experimented with by the US government since 1970s late 1970s and 1980s

40:11 as a carrier agent for other things. And now we don't know what it's carrying, but we know that about 40% of the people that contact us at the American Gulf War Veterans Association have damage to their immune systems. They're suffering from multiple sclerosis, Guillain-Barre, Lou Gehrigs, scleroderma, lupus, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue... very serious diseases. Let me just say this Joyce. Can I This is just my opinion. My opinion is that we're not going to get very far, I mean you're obviously doing good work with all this but with what you said here tonight your accusing the DOD and Pentagon of cover ups and all that and I totally agree with all that but then when you make a statement to the point that these people were over there fighting for this country

41:03 That's, to me that just kind of defeating the whole purpose for this. Because in my opinion that is not what this was all about. Okay well let's say that is what we believed we were doing. Yeah okay but that needs to be stressed because as long as we continue to maintain these lies and throwing out this rhetoric that the other side throws out I think it will be harder to get people to accept this But in good faith is what we all are trying to say isn't it? In good faith men and women said I will go fight. Right? That's right, that's exactly what you were doing sure but do you come to understand now that we were doomed

41:47 Absolutely, I know that. Those wars have nothing to do with protecting the Constitution or defending or protecting the borders of United States? Oh absolutely! That was a six o'clock news war. Yeah right. Well all you have to look at is what's going on right now with Saddam Hussein I mean, we're going to go to war with a guy. We started all this escalation because somebody put a piece of paper over our lens camera and wouldn't let him see in the room what was in the room? Is that a reason to fight a war or is that affecting our boundaries? Of course not! No, it's not why we are doing it because he's usurping the UN resolution so were supposed to send our young 18-19 year old people to fight because his airplanes are usurping the UN no flies zone

42:33 Oh, no way. Let me give you some information here. Here's some little-known information that No Fly Zone is not a UN imposed No Fly Zone. Were you aware of that? Well, that's what the media is telling us isn't it? That the reason why the weapons inspections you know this here's a Iraqis sovereign nation supposedly right and they're being forced now by this thug agency called the UN to have their nation violated plus

43:12 Iraq is disobeying their the UN no-fly zone. That's not a real and no fly zone see that's what they've made you think No, well that's what I said us it's a us And we bought into it that's why only US only US planes go over that no flies up know you in flights go over that So the U-2 flights are the UN imposed area. Those are the UN flights. But you see, we were talking to... The point is neither one of those reasons are worth mentioning to myself that I died there. Absolutely not! No way! we don't even know what's true when it comes to the no-fly zone area. Also, Nazar Hamdoun who was talking to a friend of mine who wrote the book on Saddam Hussein and she is not pro Arab or pro Israeli and neither am I. Right. We're just here. She happened to do a biography book on him in all the libraries now but

44:01 Her name is Nita Renfrew and she was talking to the Nizar Hamdoun the other day who is the UN, Iraq ambassador of the U.N.. Nizar Hamdoun had two things to say First of all people don't realize that it's a US imposed no-fly zone And secondly he has not been allowed before the UN Security Council Now ask me or tell me why we would not allow someone to go before the UN Security Council when we are going to exhaust all means of diplomacy? Why is it that we have not allowed Nizar Hamdoun to go before the UN Security Council. I don't understand that either So there's a lot of information were not getting, We watch the boob tube and we watch 6 o'clock news And if it happens on six o'clock news its true for most people

44:48 And that's why I use the statement, you know if a tree falls in the forest and Dan Rather doesn't cover it does it still make a noise? You know, and that's the way people are. If it's not on the news it didn't happen. Good girl! That's good. But my point is taken by you... You are exactly right. ...neither one of those reasons are worth any of us sending our 18 year old kids to go die in a fire. Absolutely not but I mean I'm saying that even that is contracted protracted reasons that don't even exist I'm thinking that the whole thing is made up to the point where it serves another agenda. None of those reasons are with us going ahead. I keep telling you, we created Saddam. What's happening with the video?

45:36 What's happening with the... Oh, I don't. Did you take Dan Ruthers name and thing? It's off! A little joke there he said something. Our monitor is down okay we can tell. Okay let's go on. We're still on? It's alright it's just a monitor it's the monitor okay. Ok let me just mention a couple things here folks first of all if we have these This is we're entering into about our seventh month now of these downsizing government seminars and when are you scheduled to be there Joyce? Last Sunday of January. It's 30th, okay. So what six weeks from now you'll go there. Correct Okay And it's the last Sunday of every month and Joyce you commented last week that you may find out there

46:30 Well now that I'm ambulatory, unless I get some of the stuff she's talking about. You know I catch everything Joyce. Thank goodness she is a nurse! No I'll be there and have been out long enough so I need to be loose now. Also on February 22nd The Jeff Davis show has managed to get several of the surviving Branch Davidians down here to Austin for the seminar. So that's something to look forward too, and I believe in March We have tentatively, I think we have Tex Mars a friend of mine scheduled to be there and of course the regular host of speakers and whatnot. So that's one thing Do you know how lucky you are to have Tex Mars here? Oh Tex is great guy He's incredible I just did his bunch shortwave with him I mean...I don't think Austin understands how fortunate they are Come on anybody want to come up here? Alright let's see it Here once a lady Let James go Yes sir alright

47:32 God bless the Republic, get the new world order!