Jeff Davis(Classic 1997) Archie Lowe President Of The Republic Of Texas(Full Interview) [Fe6zabVer1k]

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00:40 Stay tuned right here. Be sure to write us there at that address if you can help us get these archives up quicker and Our phone numbers there if you need to get a hold of thanks a lot and God bless continue to watch our ongoing series here on Mike Hanson Archives and Hanson Archive well awesome, Texas we are back in This is May the 5th, Monday May the 5th and as promised it has been getting promoted to over-the-air waves. We have a factional president of The Republic Of Texas in the studio with us this evening and he'll be with us for three hours. Okay go ahead...let me just bring into the studio or bring actually

01:33 Second or third time anyway. I know you did a nice job on Art Bell, it was a marathon and it was fun. We have got a lot of time but we have had this recent ordeal do you want to comment on that first? My comment at this point, I'm just glad it's over as much as it is. I've just heard that they have now shot one of the two guys who had left the house there but you know I am just glad that the ones who are out safe are out and they didn't kill them

02:19 Would you say then that McLaren and M, my guess is there's going to be a bunch of political prisoners? As far as international law is concerned and the documents we have filed with the world they are international prisoners. Prisoners I guess could almost consider them prisoners of war but they're political prisoners here Did it come out Archie the way you would've liked or No, no not at all. And this is something Mr. McLaren and myself had never planned on We worked very closely together Jeff I mean we worked for many many hours and many days and weeks on research and research and research creating documents and filing them with The Hague in the Netherlands Filing them with United Nations, filing them with all nations of the world

03:08 And this was from day one to be a peaceful, lawful political process. And somewhere back around last September things began to go awry. Mr. McLaren began actually separating himself from us and actually initiating and creating documents outside the review or the permission of the council and it just kept getting worse We were talking outside here and you mentioned that you suspect there may even be some plants inside the... It's a suspicion. I can't prove it. I do not have the manpower, expertise or funding to do background investigations like that foreign nation up there in United States could do. I cannot but it seems like everything that could go wrong did go wrong after two gentlemen showed up

04:00 And it was from there that we have our factions today that we have. It is from those gentlemen's input or guidance, advice to Mr. McLaren that this standoff up in Jeff Davis Mountains occurred I mean the Davis Mountains occurred but again its only my suspicion and I can't prove it. I don't know who these gentlemen are We don't know where they came from or anything about them One of things that I had noticed Archie in the process We at this program had attempted to call the DPS Friday. Now we didn't know how long this thing was going to last, but we had attempted...we called it noon and we called the DPS Public Information Office and we asked them because all were getting was just every day you know that the Republic of Texas is against him his lawyers are against him everyday there's something new with charges

04:54 So we wanted to go and invite Rick to call in on his program Monday. And ask them if they would give him a phone line to do it, and I guess they finagled over it for a couple of hours by 230 they denied us access To me this is the most compelling, when you start talking about control of information and why so many people may not like the Republic of Texas. And that is they are only getting a pre-approved script on the Republic of Texas. Well that's what we saw at Waco also. You see not only are we getting a pre approved script We get the pre approved authority figures too. So things like that

05:39 Something that we're tired of. We're tired of it, really are The media in this program did it but the mainstream media should have demanded I mean thats not freedom of the press when you said no you can't get information here You go over her to get your information Right The press was 11 miles away from actual site of the conflict and they had to rely on their spokesman, the chosen spokesman to give the chosen word. See that's what we're getting tired of, that's what were getting fed up with you know? We are not only controlling what we get through media they're controlling our lives You go here, you can't go there! If you want this you have a license money money money money

06:25 More and more people are beginning to understand, on their own study documents, study processes, study history. We have some educated people coming up. What do you want me to say? It was actually an intercept from a short wave where Rick was yelling out about The embassy has been invaded by hostile enemies and that's just exactly what had happened. In essence, yes? That is absolutely exactly what had happened I personally saw this on CNN so with that are we ready with it or... okay. ...yesterday at 854 pm. I don't know what that is.

07:13 This is the May Day call for any nation of the world. Any nation of the world, we are being invaded! It's any nation in the world that can provide assistance at Penn and Williams. We have hostile enemies in our woods. Please grant assistance please come in We will ask you for aid from any nation, any law or entity with the Republic of Texas. He sounded kind of desperate I think he didn't sound like the Rick McLaren I saw speaking to Tyler and walking around. Why would they all were? They were all in there their food and water supplies probably very limited or restricted. I'm surprised they got the message out

08:09 Alright, let's get into some things now. First off I appreciate you coming on the program It is my pleasure and thank you After all there was a meeting in Kilgore yesterday which as did you How did that help? Well I was a bit disappointed what we had hoped because of the emergency of the hour We had hoped that we could begin reconciling the differences between the factions There are at this moment really three different factions and I'd hope that this rally would be an impetus to create some kind of dialogue between the factions so we could begin some kind of merge or coalition, or unity.

08:55 But it didn't happen that way. It turned out to be more or less a rally to support the idea that Texas is a nation and we have the right to independence and all this other stuff, but the issue of unity wasn't really discussed It may be that it was a good thing Unity wasn't discussed at the time because there were cameras literally from all over the United States and Texas. It was an awesome media event, I think there were almost as many media people there as citizens of Texas. There were about 400 people there

09:31 So it was basically a rally and I think that a lot of people hadn't seen each other in a long time. It was pretty good, like I said about 400 people there and it was something We did not get to address what I think really is the issue that is so vital right now. But afterwards, after the meeting because I did think it was important, I began grabbing hold of certain ones and before we got out of here we have some kind of discussion about a unity because we're fractionalized and we are not effective. And if we don't take ourselves seriously, if we cannot establish a strong government there's nobody in the world no one is going to take us serious if we don't take ourselves seriously so we've got to get involved So at the very last minute there was a meeting

10:25 of the three different factions. And it was what I thought it might be and I'm glad we did in private, but mostly finger pointing you're wrong, I am right, you are wrong, I am right, I am right, you are wrong and just kept going around a big circle so finally Commerheads did prevail one person from each faction was selected to begin negotiations with the rest of the so-called council members. So that should be, they should be reporting back fairly soon

11:02 But even if that doesn't work, I have one other hope. It was reported after we had that meeting the citizens themselves have demanded a convention and they've already set a date for this convention The convention will be held at some location on June 8th And they are demanding that all council persons be there because the idea of this convention is not for unity but to elect a new provisional government or a new government, whatever the convention decides. Because if you go back to Article 1 Section 2 of the Constitution

11:38 Political power is inherent in the people and they have the inalienable right at all times to change, alter or abolish their form of government in any manner they may deem expedient. So it's in the hands of the people...they are calling a convention...they are going to elect a new government and I'm glad if it takes that then I am for it because we've got to establish ourselves as a strong government or no one is going to take us seriously There are a lot of people that have been hearing about the Republic of Texas in the last week, but they're getting one view on it. Why are you doing it? Why are you fighting for this?

12:24 Well, I was fighting this before there was a Republic of Texas. I was fighting it back when I didn't know much better and I was a Democrat. I was fighting it when I was getting pretty independent and forceful and became an Independent. And later on you know, very conservative and I joined the Republican Party. So I've been there all the time studying political science, studying political history... Made a very grave mistake! I picked up a copy of the Constitution of United States and read it When i read it, this cannot be This is not the kind government we have Look what they're doing They are violating the constitution They are unlawful

13:12 That was my big problem. So I've been involved for a long, long time and the Republic of Texas thing came along and I said wow what a fantastic independent to solve... you know what a fantastic opportunity to solve all our problems at once What does it mean to you now? I mean other than freedom is kind of can be somewhat vague What do you uh Is that basically Why do you think so many are involved in it? Well, I think there's as many reasons to be involved as there are citizens of the republic because the people that I've talked to...there is no people alike. You can generalize by listing certain things that they all have in common but there's not two people going to be the same but we're talking about

14:02 freedom in the international market, freedom of industry and businesses and farmers to take care of themselves. They are not burdened under rules and regulations and requirements policies or they don't need a license, things like that. Or permission or they're not fearful that something will be taken away if they violate some law they don't even know about so it's...a lot of is that and people saying well its the burden of taxes we want to be out from under because everything I mean half of everything we actually make is taken by taxes Even on Rush Limbaugh he was saying today coming up June 1st

14:46 will be finally that tax freedom day. Everything you make to that point is taxes Well I can remember as a kid growing up, boy it was everything before April By April you had your so-called requirements and your taxes paid, but not anymore. Now it's June and these so called tax cuts that are going on in the United States right now is going to be even a greater burden because they never tell you the truth up there. How else can they do what they do? They've got to give you some smoke and mirrors and make you believe that you're getting a good deal. So its varied.

15:22 A lot of people say this thing with a driver's license or car tag, the man that I wear helmet when I ride motorcycle is just enumerable. We could go on and on about it. Where do you want to see it go? Other than UNITE you say right we had several members here last week or maybe the week before, yeah last week I think David Johnson. In fact you called in I believe and we had several members from all the factions here and I was trying to call for some type of unification because let's face it this new world order that is beating down on us they don't take no...I mean they mean business so if the Republic of Texas as you said is going

16:21 resistance to some of these shenanigans, I believe they need to come together. If people knew honestly what's going on and if they knew what you and I know really truthfully they would be scared to death. I believe that people would begin to panic I don't want to cause panic, but I want people to become educated. I want people to know the truth. It's like what I was telling you outside a bit ago when we were talking. Truth is wonderful thing. Truth does win friends and influence people. You put truth out there and you don't have to remember anything... ...but if you start lying to people then you have to remember everything. That is why so many people get caught in lies because they can't remember it. But as long as you tell the truth then it just keeps going and going and going. There is no problem!

17:08 Yeah, I agree with you. Do you want to try and take some calls or do you have anything else that you'd like? No, no...I'm just infatuated with the Republic of Texas but I guarantee ya one of these days and I hope it comes soon when the people of Texas as a nation can stand up and elect its government then I can quit! I want to go back to my front porch. I'm going to go back playing with my dog, Wolf. Yeah! I wanna go fishing and work on the farm. I want ride horses. You know...I want feed my cows. I just want to do regular people stuff. Yeah! I agree So come on people of Texas get involved. I want you run together but not me Come on! Did they get your number? Uh... I gave them a card. Okay! That should be up in little bit Okay folks we got Archie Lowe who is one of the three

17:57 The factional president of the Republic of Texas? Actually two, because the Boyce fellow... I can't think of his name. The person that was elected on April 19th resigned a couple days ago. Who would actually be with McLaren? I think his name was Boyce. Boyce something or other. I've never heard of him but that was the guy. See Mr. McLaren sent out 4,000 ballots before April 19th and on April 19 they had all the ballots back, they counted them all etc. I asked one of the gentlemen yesterday how many votes out of 4,000 did you get? He said oh I don't know. How much did your opponent get? Well I don't know. Well how do you know he won? Mr. McLaren told me that I won

18:44 I said, well how many votes did I get? Well, I don't know. I don't know because people have been coming up to me and telling that they used the write-in and wrote my name in it and sent it in so I know I got some votes. That has never been made public so you do not have a lawful election until you can publish results right? Absolutely thats what the other side does. Okay Archie Lowe factional president How many other than that? Just Johnson, Mr. Johnson and myself What about the people who were listening to McLaren or under that... Well the president who was elected under McLaren has resigned. Okay so that's kind of not the main point right now And I understand there may be some more that have resigned also but I don't know That is hearsay

19:38 We're going to plug your address twice during this hour. This hour is long texted. Yeah, so we are going limit our calls too Larchie for that purpose because this is going to replay again. Okay folks, Richardson the Republic of Texas Archie Low's faction PO Box 437 Rice Texas and that's a Texas postal zone right? That's a Texas postal zone yes. 75155 903 326-4684 and that's your website? Yes it is. Texas.binet.com Stay tuned right here for more classics on this channel here Hanson Archives but to fund this station I'm offering

24:23 I have a question, Mr. Lowe. If the Republic of Texas is installed as the rightful government of Texas will you retain the Mockingbird as the state bird? That's not for me to decide I would have to come from the people. The people would have to decide, but I'm all for it myself and can't make those decisions because I am only president. No executive decisions in the Republic of Texas, I guarantee you that.

25:01 Now you said you've been all over. How busy has your week been this last week? I got very little sleep, I have eaten very little and mostly just on the phone constantly. I talked to absolutely journalists from all over the world from New Zealand to England France we talked I don't even know where they're from. They may have been German, of course we had some Swedish come in and I think some were...I didn't talk to them personally but there were some journalists from Japan there also so it's been a constant on-the-phone marathon

25:44 One show I was on from 1 o'clock in the morning until 6 o'clock in the morning. As soon as I got off that, the phone started ringing from other journalists or TV stations or radio stations things like this it's just been continuous Do you see some of the media people starting to... I mean, be least receptive to the fact that there is something wrong. Certainly do because it's not going to say it's truth you keep putting up truth out there and as they understand it and they become educated then they see it as truth now they don't always believe ya' they'll go look for themselves

26:20 But when they find out that what we say is true, then we've won a friend. And there are lots of local guys that we get to talk with quite a bit. Some people in Austin or San Antonio or Houston or Dallas especially Dallas I live up near Dallas where we have gotten very close to some of those TV reporters up there And they're beginning to see what's going on, beginning to understand. I think that to the dismay of the national network they are actually starting to give us some very unbiased and truthful reporting so I think it is fantastic! It makes my job easier. Good, good, glad to hear it. Another caller you are on air with Archie Lowe. Hello? Hello Hi sir

27:07 Am I on? Yeah, thanks for holding. You're on with Archie Love. The reason why was calling is because... Let's comment for Archie and then I'll hang up and listen When I was a kid we had a fort in the backyard actually it was pretty good size fort We built it and we all had positions And we all had titles But we were children and it was fun! And I find the whole thing I find this whole thing rather absurd and your title, you've sort of given yourself a position and everybody's got their little cabinet. It just strikes me as absolutely silly! And i'd like to hear what you think about that. Thanks for your call. Let me tell you about some more absolutely silly people. There was a group back in New England or what we call it now actually the colonists back then that were so absurd

28:03 and rambunctious enough to establish themselves as the United States of America. There were also a bunch of people that were so absurd and stupid as to die in the Alamo. Freedom is something that may seem absurd to some people, But I can guarantee you it is in the heart of a patriot. And a patriot does what he has to do regardless of whether people see him as a silly person, or ridiculous person, secessionist...or whatever! We do what we do because we believe in liberty and we are doing what we can and honestly if you don't believe in what were doing that's the wonderful thing about freedom You have that choice. You have that right

28:49 Well, one thing I wanted to ask you about. I was told you were pretty sharp with this is these allodial titles explain kind of where we're at now with the current property tax system that's basically the old feudalism takeoff? You know where you don't actually own your property well how does... How does... Well, I'll have to admit a lot of ignorance here. I can only tell you about some of the seminars that I've sat in and some of the books I've read concerning it Allodial title is an absolute ownership of your property. I guess it goes back to the Magna Carta, when it was signed It also made the people sovereign as the king was sovereign The King was sovereign you couldn't tax the king The people now were sovereign and you couldn't tax the people The king was sovereign he could own land Now that the people are sovereign they can own land And they had this allodial title to their land

29:44 Now we don't have a lot of titles to our land. It's all been transferred out of the state or out of the nation of Texas up to Washington, D.C., wherever it goes and now what you have is a deed or warranty deed and if you go back to law dictionaries when you start studying and seeing what they've done to ya actually you don't own your land. The state owns your land that's the reason they can tax it recall that if you're truly free they can't tax you It's only after you become subject to them do your rights go away. Then you begin having privileges and benefits So this is the same thing with your car. You don't get a title to your car, you get a certificate of title. The state of Texas holds the title to your car that way they can require that you wear seatbelts, they could require that you have insurance, license and inspection sticker two headlights, two tail lights...the whole nine yards! Here in the land of free. Land of free. You don't own your car.

30:45 Let me go ahead and let's try another call here real quick. I'm sorry they're so antagonistic, sir. Oh no that's fine. Antagonism sharpens the wit doesn't it? Okay next caller you're on the air. Yeah today i noticed something on newscasts that was very irritating to me because a long time ago the University of Texas used to roll around their great big Texas flag to celebrate The Battle of St. Vincent and Texans Independence Day shoot off cannons and all this with all the hispanic students raised so much cane with UT that they made them take down the flag and all of this. Tonight over there at Wooders Park, a Mexican flag was flying above the Texas flag and this is Texas! This is not Mexico! And this is something that we are being pushed to the side in everything of this nature and I'm to a point that our state capitol will sit there on 15th September, they celebrate now we got Cinco de Mayo

31:48 We, the regular true native born Texans in here you know you don't have the same rights and that's the guys truth if you go look at it. Your flag is not... when you got a governor that sits down there who will let them fly a Mexican flag over your state flag something is wrong. Thanks for your call caller appreciate it I'll have to agree and this was one of the points Mr. McLaren was addressing We all have heard about the New World Order. Well, part of this New World Order is to make everything in the world the same. They're doing away with national boundaries... they're doing away with different classes of people.... it's almost like ethnic cleansing. They are trying to get rid of Texas as Texans It's a genocide and we have a right to exist as proud national people

32:43 And when you start destroying that, it's genocide. I don't care how you do it and they're trying to make Texans look just like every other person in the world We can't! we have a culture...we have a philosophy....We are indigenous to the land There are so many things that are involved It's genocide, that is what they are trying to do. Reduce us to nothing. One thing I thought was clearly an atrocious act was after the

33:19 you know those folks come out of the so-called compound, they raised the Texas flag up over there as if that they had been conquered. Did you catch that? Yes and honestly one of the points of Mr. McLaren's surrender was that Bernat's flag which is a true flag of the nation of Texas that was brought when Mr. Bernat was first president of Texas That was Burnett's flag, a blue background that Texas sky-blue sky color and the gold star. That was Burnett's flag and Mr. McLaren said that flag should remain flying They agreed to it as soon they took him out they put up the de facto state of Texas You see that state flag is a registered trademark

34:13 And we cannot use it at all for what we are doing even though I grew up in the Lone Star State and the Lone Star Flag, right? But Burnett's flag is also the lone star nation because it is that single star. It is that nation so we adopted it because it represents the true Nation of Texas The state flag was not adopted officially until 1933 Even though it flew over Texas from I think about 1843 or 1844. But it wasn't actually officially adopted until 1933. Before we get to some more calls here, go into the

34:54 What does the Republic of Texas claim then that Texas was illegally annexed? Well, there's several points. Firstly, Texas won its independence from Mexico They were a northern province of Mexico and they were operating under the Constitution of 1824 That is why we see their red white and green flag in 1824 on it that was flown at the Alamo the Constitution. And they were the northern province, I think it was Coahuila or something like that or they were the northern part of Coahuila, I'm not sure but uh...they were the northern province

35:30 So when Mexico began abusing the Constitution, similar to what we see the United States doing to people right now. Texas declared or you know began working trying to resolve that and the answer was they begin sending troops out of Mexico up into Texas harassing the Texans and taking their guns Does that sound familiar? Okay. After the Texas Independence, the war was fought and they won their independence from Mexico and established themselves under international law as the nation of Texas... The Republic of Texas And after that was accomplished then they had treaties with England France Netherlands Belgium I think one other one but I'm not real sure which one But also some Native American peoples

36:19 But this is what happened. They established themselves lawfully as a nation In 1844, the people were afraid of Mexico that Mexico was going to attack them again To which United States helped out quite a bit by saying yes they are gonna attack you so you guys better join us or your gonna get beat this time So it was a little thing they were playing one side against another The treaty that was sent to Washington in 1844 was defeated at the Senate Treaties are to be ratified by two-thirds, but this one was defeated by two thirds. 35 to 16 and once that treaty was defeated they thought the question of annexation of Texas is over But later on after John Tyler was elected as president They brought into Congress a joint resolution Well it's been proven in court cases that resolutions are no more than opinions

37:14 We have an opinion that Texas should be a state. John Quincy Adams says it cannot happen because the Constitution of the United States only allows to create new states out of either territories or possessions. John Quincy Adams said you'll have to amend the Constitution first, to annex a foreign nation Even today they cannot annex Canada as 51st State now that Texas is gone into 50th State They can't do it It's unconstitutional Well the same thing applied then but they did it anyway So when the People in 1861 began voicing their opinion. There were several things going on, but they began to voice their opinion that United States had violated the contract that Texas had and they were not keeping their word so people by popular vote voted to remove themselves from United States and establish themselves as a nation again in 1861 I think that vote was 46 thousand plus to something like 14 thousand plus

38:18 but uh... then in eighteen sixty five of texas was taken captive by the military might have united states just like uh... russia took uh... poland checoslovakia romania after world war two i think that's when they were taken my take a ramp i'm not sure about point of history but they were taking captive so well we found that texas was taken captive under international law under and under a thing called work on the doctor if you're able to want you become a military captive nation, if you are ever able to regain the strength to overcome your captors. You have a right to reestablish yourself as a nation and that's where we're headed right now

38:59 That's what the fight is all about. I hope that was clear, probably. I'm so used to trying to put everything in one sentence that it is a little difficult to talk anymore. There are a lot of dates and things like that but the fact is this current problem goes way back. Right and we presented to the Governor Mr George Bush Mr. Colin Bones Bush? His son, Governor George Bush Jinger sir and we presented back in I think it was January went to the Capitol Hill and we presented what is called I think it's pronounced Corwarto

39:37 But it is documents that pretty well says you prove that you have the right, you prove that you have authority. You prove that is lawful for you to do what you do and its never been answered. Morales. What's your perception? We had trouble with General Santiana and now we're having trouble with General Morales so history does repeat itself I guess. I think Mr. Morales, really you know he is a sharp man and maybe an honest man but I don't think he has read his constitution lately

40:13 When he issues some kind of subpoena to the internet providers and tells them to provide from our servers all the names, addresses and email addresses which is unlawful. I think he's sort of stepping out of bounds there. I understand ACLU is going to jump in the middle of this There's also one internet service provider that has already filed suit and that is ovalin.net which was the one that the embassy out in Fort Davis was on I don't have any ill feelings for Mr. Morales, I just wish that he would recognize that we're only Texans following a political process all we want is freedom and that right is guaranteed by the Constitution But you would say he's doing the unlawful? Well...I think he's doing the best he can with what he has got He doesn't have a leg to stand on

41:09 And I think he's trying to do what he can to keep this from really becoming a popular movement. If you can discredit your enemy, then you know you pretty well won the battle But the problem is we have truth on our side. Yes sir That's what I say and that outweighs all the lies of the world because really the world is just making up new lies to cover Up old lies and it's a repeated. Well. I have no ill will toward mr.. Brown in fact You know I'm sure he's a Texan And maybe one these days we could use his help and we would certainly appreciate Would you say that there are some? some state reps and some of these people within the state of Texas.

41:47 that understand some of these things and actually have a conscience or are they just brain dead, or they sold out to the establishment? Well some are both but I do believe there are Texans everywhere. We've found Texans in Rangers we found Texas in DPS, we found Texans in local police, we've found Texans in local governmental organizations and things...we found Texans everywhere Unfortunately you know a lot of Texans are divided on this especially I need to slow down. Especially because, well the media is not telling the truth We have probably maybe a 50-50 chance at any given time of getting the truth out to people Because they're still using words like secessionist They're still using words like white supremacists They are still using words like militia

42:44 It is bogus, it's false just like the liens Mr. Morales talks about. Bogus, false fraudulent that is not true but yet that is the image that is portrayed and we are doing everything we can to correct that image because thats no who we are were just plain ordinary Texans I don't even eat beans and chili. Some Texans do, but we've got to prove to the people that's what were all about. What about that one woman here in Austin? I think her name is Joanne Turner. She filed a mechanics lien. She is not a citizen of the Republic of Texas even though...that's my understanding

43:36 We don't have any document that she signs and says yes I am a citizen of the republic. She may claim to be, but I don't know. That's good because she is allowed to do that but she filed a lien because they were taking her property away and I really don't understand all I know about it because I haven't been involved in that but it was over that lien that she filed that caused all of her troubles I think. A lot of the so called lanes are being filed in counter to the de facto lanes, in other words the real fraudulent lanes are coming from the defacto government but there she is in fact

44:20 But a lot of these liens are coming from the de facto government. And then the Republic of Texas people are issuing counter-liens to protect their profits... In essence what they're doing, they're fighting back against the corrupt system? Right and if the system is corrupt and the courts are corrupt, of course they're going make themselves appear like they're legitimate. Let's cover two points. Firstly, the people that are here in Austin, the so-called lawmakers I think it is pure conflict of interest and they need to be investigated and impeached because

44:57 The people that are called lawyers are members of what they call the Texas Bar Association. If you look at the Constitution and the way it's set up, the Texas Bar Association is directly related to...directly under...directly associated with or is part of the judicial branch of the government and the Constitution specifically states that if you are a member of the executive, you cannot hold an office in legislative. If you are a member of the legislative, you cannot hold an office in judicial so if these are members of judicial branch How do we have all these lawyers in the legislative branch? They conveniently forget about that part of the Constitution because people don't know their rights, because the people don't know what they're doing. They assume it's okay but they should all go to jail or at least be kicked out of office because all these that are off the legislative branch are holding offices in the legislating.

45:53 There was also a 13th amendment or something. The missing 13th amendment where basically it stated that the barristers, I think it's kind of a British connection there if I understand it right, but this kind of disallowed the attorneys from even holding office. That is correct and had something to do with titles or... Did it just disappear? Well it disappeared after about three burnings of the Library of Congress. It took that much to get out of the way but people have gone back all over

46:33 United States, different states and found copies of constitutions where that amendment was in there. But the ones we have today it doesn't read the same. Do you realize Archie that the actual U.S. Constitution was officially suspended in 1933? Yes I mean the enemy makes... they throw it out as a I don't know how you... they use it, well this isn't Constitution but it's a fraud. They don't do anything with that Constitution. One other point I'd like to make about the legal system and judicial system so if you have suits brought against you or whatever and unfortunately wind up in their courts the judge is the bar association

47:23 The prosecuting attorney is a member of the Bar Association and your defense attorney, he's a member of the Bar Association. Here are these three guys who are Brother Bar Association members or like brother masons I guess. Do you think that they're going to get a fair trial in their court? They're going to agree amongst themselves how they are going to handle it, why they are going to do this and that. It's to their advantage That way if I spill hot coffee on myself and manage a $10 million settlement the majority of it goes to that lawyer right? Yeah its a scam We interviewed Hoppy Heidelberg who was one of the jurors

48:00 for McVeigh and he said that was nothing but a kangaroo circus. They wouldn't allow his witnesses subpoenaed, the whole thing was a stage deal. Especially federal judges they're God! They can tell you who can come into the court who cannot what evidence you can bring in or what you cannot say what the jury can hear and what the jury cannot hear And this is not the way justice was originally intended for the people. This is fraudulent, it's bogus. The one thing I really learned over this past incident though was this denial of access from the media. There's no way we should allow the DPS to tell us that we don't have access to those people at Fort Davis

48:51 There's no way we should allow that. They literally told us, you have to go to their man." This is criminal. This is absolute criminal, this is not freedom of... and they use this cloak of investigation where the investigation is intensive now. I understand that the reporters that were at Fort Davis were actually about 11 miles back from wherever the conflict was taking place? And all the information they had came through one man. Real freedom in the press. Next caller you're on air! Hello there slaves, how's it going? Good. Listen I want to comment on something Jeff just said there. Jeff the reason that they don't let them close to that place is because there are booby traps and bombs over there. At some point in time we have to do things against our will for our protection much like the way we have to give out our phone numbers before we can speak to you Wait a minute brother wait a minute That's not what i was referring too. I was referring to the fact that We had put in a call to DPS on Friday at noon

49:57 to ask Rick McLaren, to ask permission for Rick McLaren to call in on this program tonight. Of course it's not relevant now but at the time it was and they fluttered around with them for a few hours and finally came back saying we don't have access But then what amazed me is just as much, I talked to some of the statesmen and local media. And they don't even have access! So the only information you're getting is that they are saying that you do not have access where all these charges and accusations are going on Think about it...all these charges and accusations going on about people all over the world

50:41 I mean, we want to know how much food and water they had in there. We want to know why they didn't like their attorney? There was a lot of unanswered questions... We've been told booby traps bombs explosives blah blah blah again we have to take Mr. Cox's word for it no one has seen that! But thats not what i was requesting. I wasn't requesting them to go out there. I was just asking them to open up a phone line and let him call in here. By writing letters to Mr. Cox he wouldn't acknowledge our letter We made phone calls and talked specifically with gentlemen in the FBI. They wouldn't even acknowledge our phone calls. We believed that we had a chance because we know Mr. McLaren, he was our friend

51:20 still is, I will add. That we possibly could have helped out in some kind of negotiation but no there again they're the federal judges their God they can decide who sits on a jury and who sits on what witnesses come in etcetera they decide what you are going to hear bombs? I don't believe that. Why did they keep them away from Waco, nobody ever said anything about booby traps or bombs there but yet they were several miles... That's right! ...from Waco. They don't want the people to see what is going on. They don't want light shown on what they are doing. And then they also don't want their position, Ricks and these other peoples positions spelled out. When there is a controversy they investigate themselves. Yeah, they investigate, there you go, boy thats perfect

52:06 People, you better wake up to what's going on. Next caller... there is Hoppy Hildeberg right there he is the one we were just talking about We did an interview with him Okay next caller, your on the air Hello Hi When a new republic of Texas was formed will you please legalize marijuana and stop incarceration of all marijuana prisoners? And please stop building these prisons I've been down there twice It is waste of time put the money into education and to cleaning up the environment. This prison scam is a waste of money, multi-millions of dollars have been stolen by legislative type people and it goes in their pocketbooks they go down to Padre Island but please legalize marijuana we're good people too

52:57 Thanks for your call. What do you got to comment on that? I certainly do, on this one. Republic of Texas magazine had a very good article on that. We believe because the way Texas was originally established and the way the United States was established under the law there's no victim or there is no crime unless we have a victim Now under the law you have either harm a person his property or his reputation So if I'm driving down the street on my motorcycle with no helmet, who's the victim there? Now I agree it's a good idea to wear my helmet, and probably given free choice most of the time. But there again it is my choice, not my privilege or benefit. We've got to understand that. One of the outstanding aspects about this thing called marijuana is not just the idea you can roll up and some people smoke it

53:52 I think the best idea is that if we grew that as a cash crop in Texas, you could just pretty well eliminate destruction of rainforest because that's where they're cutting down so many trees for wood or pulp or paper. The best paper in the world is made out of a hemp plant. It's an awesome thing and you can grind up the little fibers, pellets and it's wonderful fuel. There are just literally millions of things but here we were... You know that the law is that if you have some this whatever it is then its crime Well first thing when you do start making laws against something you tend to make it more attractive because now it's forbidden

54:37 So once it's forbidden also, if you catch somebody with you, you can collect taxes. You can start collecting fines right? And I think if we come to our senses and realize under the laws that originally established Texas... If there is no victim there is no crime and if you don't hurt another person or his property or reputation your free as an individual to do what you want to do but you have to be responsible In Texas you could smoke all the marijuana you want to as long as it didn't harm anybody or their property, reputation. If people knew what it would be like to really free, I'm sure we would have a lot more supporters than right now

55:25 Next caller, you're on the air with Archie Lowe, President of the Republic of Texas. Hello! Yeah Jeff? Hi! How are y'all doing? Good Just an observation The last show I saw with Mr. Lowe and I believe he had his secretary or the VP on the show Remember that segment? Secretary of State One thing I noticed was when one of the gentlemen was being asked questions by Jeff or the callers, one, I think the Secretary of State, was doing pretty good on answering part on Q&A. However, the other gentleman just seemed to go right along with whatever he was saying. He didn't have his own analogue to the question being answered

56:13 I can comment to that a little bit. You've got to understand if it's the way you're talking about it. Well, Mr. Kestris is a very young fellow he's not experienced. I was musician for 20 some odd years And so being in front of a lot of people or cameras, doesn't bother me a bit. Doesn't phase me But Mr. Kesterson, it scares him to death. Mr. Kesterson if you get on his webpage texas.by.net the gentleman is very eloquent and very able to explain himself or communicate with people He has written some of the most fantastic articles I've ever read And I just go through daily every time I hear him talking really when he's not camera shy or something saying I wish I had said that

57:12 He seemed like he was just, yeah I agree with you Jeff. And it could be that maybe he was a little bit intimidated? Well he's young fella but if you read his stuff on the web page you'll see who he really is. I believe this guy has great opportunity to be fantastic leader of people. Okay next caller your on air Hello. Hello, hi sir. Hey Jeff Archie how y'all doing? Good Thanks for holding. I support what he's you know what he's trying to do and I believe in it I do believe with the McLaren did was a probably really bad timing and I Believe ultimately it will be needed to be done But just the timing was bad And what you were saying earlier up leave what I caught with that Probably had some

58:06 some people coming in from the inside causing trouble or probably from the inside of the government trying to cause trouble. Is that so? Right, he's speculating. Well I'm not speculating. Yeah, well you want to make a... I'm kind of speculating on my own We know that he spent quite a bit of time in the military and he was in Guam for quite awhile. Then, he sort of just disappeared and reappeared in Utah so we really don't know who is or where he came from but he was supposedly associated with some... I can't think of his name it's an Indian name running tall tree or treetree something like that that he was associated with who was known agent of CIA

58:46 a mind control person. So I've got the document, I just received it from Militia of Montana Mr John Trotman sent me a copy of it, little investigation they had done on Mr White Eagle and it appears that he may have connections back there somewhere. But again its my suspicion Also for those that have a hard time believing our government does lie, I know I saw Jeff there at the Waco movie here at the Dolby Theater. I highly support anybody to go see that, or suggest for anybody to go see that because it was an outstanding proof. What i feel is a lot of proof how the government does just stand up and lie. Have you seen that Waco? No, I've heard so much about it but... It's not bad. It hasn't come into my city yet. Okay well thank y'all. Thank YOU! Appreciate your call brother.

59:44 You want to take a quick break here, Archie? Just a quick one. Okay. Call it just stay on the line there and well it's just going to be a quick break I want to go get some quick drink and It is always a pleasure to have you on Archie. I really appreciate your taking the time to come down here. Well this has always been a good trip for me because I really love people down here There are lot of good Texans around Austin I will tell ya Yeah, Mr. Will? I just spoke with you all briefly about a minute ago and wanted to ask you a quick question

1:00:35 I'm sorry, I can barely hear you. Mr. Will? Yes sir. A couple minutes ago and I want to ask you a quick question. When y'all hopefully get the chance to make Texas a republic again do ya'll have any ideas regarding a blueprint or what is going to take place as far like airlines getting in and out trains, boats. Are there going to be any tariffs imposed on imports and exports? What do you all have in store for the future like when we trade overseas or do business overseas in between countries? Do y'all have a blueprint of how you would tackle that because we'd have all these states surrounding Texas so they would therefore be considered an outside country correct?

1:01:25 True. We are going in what you call a transition period, we're going from point A to point B and were not going to get to point B immediately So we believe that the people themselves have the right to write their own constitution. If we as a government, provisional government get involved in it then we're no better than the people were trying to replace The people are supposed to do this so let the people decide how they want to set up their constitution and the government should implement it We think that after so many hundreds of years of men trying to create documents lasting documents to control government and maintain freedom for the people We think maybe now we have an opportunity to do it because we can see the shortcomings and the failures of those that perceived it.

1:02:09 We can't tax the people. You should never tax the people, recall that the people are sovereign Sovereign people are not taxed so the import-export tax would be the way to do it Currently if you go buy the gross national product off taxes and consider a 1% import export tax I think it comes to something like 82 billion dollars! I think we could do quite well on 82 billion dollars That's just import export tax Right now, all the taxes United States is sucking out of Texas is literally starving us to death slowly. You know that's the way the national government funded itself. That's how it should be done. But see now you've got this treasonous globalist world order system It's a siphon and vacuum And they created the World Trade Organization and things like this that are just totally treasonous and have taken away their ability to raise revenue

1:03:01 legitimate way and regulate trade and commerce, then they throw this criminal IRS at us. Well the admitted debt of the United States is over five trillion dollars if you consider how they've raided and stolen from Social Security and some other programs like that it's closer to twenty trillion dollars that debt can never be paid The whole thing is a vacuum It's a siphon just pulling our wealth pulling our substance pulling up blood Who has that biggest vacuum? Who's getting this money? Where is it going? Who is the debt, who do we owe this money to. I think your professor laid you on that what 15 years ago Right It's the people behind the Federal Reserve and who owns a federal reserve its private company IBM is a private company

1:03:48 We have companies all over the place, little companies, Oshman's. I could go on mentioning companies and not give them too many plugs but all of those private companies Federal Reserve is a private company who are the stockholders? Who is making all that profit? And look at how they do it. All they require to do we want to borrow $100 million dollars so they print up 100 million and loan it to us, and they only have to pay for the printing. That's it! Like two-and-a-half cents a print... But we don't have to pay the principal like right now because all were doing is paying interest. Yeah, its biggest... Who owns that? One of the biggest scams in history of the world unquestionably. People are starting to wake up Next caller you're on air with Archie Lowe Hello Hi

1:04:40 Hey, I got some questions for Archie. Go ahead Okay, I guess he kind of lost me a bit back when he said there were no fraudulent liens on the Republic of Texas so they didn't file any fraudulent liens and I didn't know if you were saying they didn't file any liens or they filed liens, they weren't fraudulent? Or what was the deal?" Okay. First under UCC process there are only two kinds of liens. There are valid and there are invalid liens The word fraudulent, bokas, phony doesn't enter into it at all They're either valid or invalid It's a lawful process to bring pressure against a debtor You know someone owes you something or something as a lawful process

1:05:23 But unfortunately, the most unlawful and fraudulent bogus liens that I've ever heard of are the liens at places like the IRS when they want to take your property. And the state of Texas. I'm just telling you what I consider fraudulent liens, but in essence they're only valid or invalid so let's leave the word bogus out of it. Just a word that Mr. Morales likes to use fits his vocabulary perhaps...I don't know But this idea that Republic of Texas is number one filer for bogus liens, I would like to dispel immediately because as a provisional government yes we have filed a lien-one of them

1:06:05 one lien. Back in February, the Republic of Texas officers at that time Mr John C Van Kirk who was the president at that time and Mr Richard Lance McLaren who was chief ambassador did file a lien against the state of Texas it is on books down there as far I know its still on the book And what it was to tie up or make sure that all that had been stolen from the citizens of the Republic of Texas, or those citizens called Texans, was placed back into the hands of the people. This wasn't for any benefit of an officer in the provisional government It wasn't for the benefit of individuals The beneficiary on that lien was the people of Texas

1:06:52 What about all these other liens that people are saying they have filed against their houses? daily. Some of them are valid, some of them are invalid. It's not for me to decide it is for the courts to decide. It is a constitutional right. Sure but if there is a whole mess of these Republican Texas members who just coincidentally happen to be filing a lot of liens that in your terms are And then you seem to be dodging that whole question saying, well I don't know anything about this. Well I would say if they're invalid those people shouldn't be doing that and I'll have to agree they shouldn't be doing it but as individual citizens of a government I can't control those people they have the right do what they feel is right. Now the other question I had was

1:07:46 McLaren taking those people hostage in their house. You think that's a good way to act? No, I do not and i'll have to explain two different things why Mr. McClaren thought it was right to do that and why I think it was wrong for him to do that. Mr. McLaren was thinking he was the ambassador of the provisional government of The Republic Of Texas He, on his own had declared war against the United States. He had declared war against the state of Texas. What's wrong with that? No he... he issued documents and declared war Now when you declare war on nation and start hostilities with a nation there are certain rules kicking in So if there are foreign agents or foreign troops on your soil then under international law you have right to self-defense

1:08:34 Mr. McLaren, thinking that he had the right to self-defense under the rules of war because of the belligerent status between the nations He did what he thought was right and proper and lawful. He was following what he thought was correct Yeah but it also kind a bit out of his gourd Not lawfully, not legally as far as his opinion. But now what happened though was that Mr. McLaren was suspended from office from the provisional government back in February and dismissed on March 22nd he was impeached so he had no lawful standing as a member of the provisional government hence his only standing was that of a citizen. I thought he was an ambassador?

1:09:16 I thought he was ambassador. No, he was elected ambassador on December 12th 1995- chief ambassador but he was dismissed from office March 22nd 1997 So that treaty ain't any good then because he got no authority to sign it huh? What treaty are you talking about? The surrender treaty I don't know anything, i've never seen that. I don't know what he was talking about it was an agreement to surrender He honestly is still thinking that he has status as a diplomatic ambassador of Texas But you're saying he didn't? Because he wasn't an ambassador anymore That's the way I see it. He was dismissed from office on March 22nd Ok now the other question I got is do you guys really think

1:10:08 I mean, you got a prayer of anyone really taking you seriously? Did the people back in 1776 have a prayer if anybody had taken them seriously especially King George. No they didn't and we are doing the best that we can with what we've got We're patriots, we love freedom, we want freedom, we're going to do what we can If we succeed great! If we don't...we tried. We did not lay down and die That's about the way I feel. You're on the next call or you're on air! Hello? Before we get to this, let me just mention one thing that I absolutely refuse to do because it plays right into the enemy's hands. Get in an endless debate about the character of those people inside there We need to stay focused on what the enemy is doing. That is following the most lanes Yeah there are your lanes right there Right there are your lanes wouldn't you say? That's your fraudulent bogus criminal lanes

1:11:11 Well, I understand that Ms. Turner is in jail right now because she violated the court order and that means some judge says you can't file a lien. Well, you can't impair liens. You cannot prevent people from filing liens. It's just unconstitutional, so I think what the judge did by taking her captive so to speak and that is what he did she made him mad and told him not too and she did it anyways so we put her in jail. She is still in jail. Another political prison? Yeah, lots of them out there. Next caller you are on the air

1:11:47 Hello. Hi This is getting off a little bit on another tangent, but I think you might find this interesting I lived in Oklahoma and Arkansas for most of my life And we always kind of looked up to Texas sometimes we resented them But we always followed them with great interest What always amazed me, and I was just dumbfounded by the fact that Texans were hoodwinked by Lyndon Johnson. It's always made me sick and after I moved to Texas I started wondering because something happened back in Arkansas that you might find interesting when Lyndon Johnson and Barry Goldwater were in their contest

1:12:35 a very astute historian here in Texas named Jay Evits Hay, they wrote a book called A Texan Looks at Lyndon and the subtitle is A Study in Illegitimate Power. That book was... I wouldn't say censored but people were buying up these books and burning them I guess getting rid of them And I got a copy of this in Arkansas and at our business one day, one of the local Democrats. He was big in the Democratic Party walked in and said you don't want that kind of stuff laying around your business. And he picked it up and carried it out so of course that just whetted my interest and when I got to Texas I went to the Central Library

1:13:23 And they said, oh that used to be on the shelves but must be outdated or something. It's no longer here maybe you can find it over in the archive So I went over there and of course you have to sign in and not leave the building an all that but, didn't get a copy of the book there but i did find an address so I ordered some of these books. And I just wondered Mr. Law have you ever read this book? No but I've certainly heard of it Yes well Jay Evitz Haley is very very respected historian and this probably the only book

1:13:59 you know, that he ever wrote that you might say is negative or slammed someone. But uh... He had the proof. He lived through this period of time and worked for Brown & Root I believe and he also lived during this era. And I just wanted to, you know bring this up that a lot of things went on before that I suppose Texans were brainwashed just like the rest of the country but it's always amazed me how How Texans fell for Lyndon Johnson. I think it's just a sad thing. I think it's funny how Texans are falling for any idea. Well, that's true! But if you ever get the chance they have a private library in Midland, I believe it is named after his wife and you can order these books and um...it's very interesting so I just wanted to bring that up

1:14:54 Thanks for calling. I think one of the most eye opening books that I've ever read was, of course 1984 George Orwell but he also wrote another book called Animal Farm and if you look at Animal Farm and compare that parody to actually what's going on today in the book the animals took over the farm because the owner was just a bad owner right? He was doing some unlawful damaging things and we can see how the patriots took the colonies away from England because they were doing bad things. And when the animals created their constitution, they put it up on the barn so everybody could see it but later on because animals were so busy working making a living in keeping the farm going everything like that They really didn't pay much attention to what the leaders of the farm was doing They put the farm in charge of the pigs

1:15:49 Because the pigs had told them that they were smarter than the regular animals, so well you better take care of it because you know. So we'll just go ahead and work and do what we're doing and you take care of it." Later on towards the end of the book we find out that the pigs were going out late at night changing the Constitution adding words taking away words and actually putting more burdens upon the pig I mean the animal while the pigs where beginning to actually walk on their hind legs like real men So it is quite, I think an expose on what is going on. If you have an opportunity read that book Animal Farm. It's very very interesting Next caller your'e on the air with Archie Lowe Hello am I on the air? Yes you are thanks for holding I had a question about the fact that your guest said that the Declaration of Independence was printed on hemp paper Is that correct

1:16:42 I actually said that. It was either the Constitution or the Declaration, it was one or the other Well if it's one of the others has nobody called the DEA to say that the Library of Congress and the Rotunda of Capital is in possession of a drug? And those should be seized and burned as they burn all drugs? But they would love to burn that one wouldn't they? Well shouldn't we do that? Its sitting there under glass and its got THC in it I'm not being facetious by the way. Yeah, you realize that this whole drug war is just a phony deal? It's a reason for them to slay the masters and smash our Constitution. And destroy the moral fiber of the United States too. That's what i am trying to point out. In fact it comes straight out from the committee of 300 if you studied some of Dr John Coleman books. They are actually manipulating drugs.

1:17:39 Has nobody called the DEA to tell them that there is a drug in the Capitol Rotunda and there are people in possession of that drug who are Capitol Guard? They could have been, but has anybody tested the THC in those documents? maybe there are other documents, maybe Washington's letters were all written on hemp paper. Maybe the Madison papers were written on hemp paper. Well quite possibly... Maybe all of that should be seized and burned and the people in possession of it should be arrested for possession of narcotics Good point I think! What do you think Arthur? Well i think because we have those documents existing today is because they were printed on hemp paper because that is quality paper but that is the best paper in the world

1:18:31 If it were on cotton or linen, or maybe some of the others it might still be around. But I know if it was on the old East Texas piney woods pulp paper it certainly wouldn't be around today. Yeah well the point is though that its printed on hemp paper and any hemp contains trace amounts of THC which makes it a drug Well we understand that Which means anybody in possession uh... is in possession of a drug and those people should be arrested and both documents should be part of my correct what will recall the d-day we need help here that's all government because they've got a process that document well you have a lot of the u s f constitution had all him salesman broke maybe which burn the competition

1:19:14 There's a lot of truth to that. There used to be some strong roads, and all it took was a mackerel. Best there was! The U.S Navy is in possession of drugs. Yeah... That's an interesting point, because we could do a multi-million dollar crop if we let the farmers grow it. And its almost like weed, it'll grow anywhere. But keep in mind Archie, you know this but the whole drug thing, it's a smoking man. The slave masters don't care about that. In fact, they want people to get on this stuff the same way they want them in the government training centers and the same way... They say they want them to volunteer for community service. Yeah involuntary servitude. With that folks I appreciate the call we're going to take just a quick break. Callers stay online there

1:20:07 Be about 5-10 minutes. We'll be back with Archie Lowe who is one of the... Let's go ahead and get this quick collar real quick to keep her from holding her here. Go ahead, bring that screen collar up Hello. Hello, hi sir. Hi I've got a question for Archie. Archie understand there's a lot of dissension in the ranks within the Republic of Texas that various factions and some disagreements about the way things should be and i'm wondering what steps are being taken to unite everybody

1:20:44 There was a meeting yesterday in Kilgore that lasted from about 1 o'clock to 6 o'clock. The meeting was more or less I guess, a rally for the support of the Republic of Texas. People haven't seen people in a long time were there and I think probably just about as many media people were there, as they were actual citizens. There was probably at least...I would figure around 400 people there The place would have seated 500 but it wasn't quite full so I figured about four hundred people After that meeting was over there were all three factions represented their men that are supposedly on all three councils

1:21:27 These men met in a room, I think there were probably about 14 of us. We sat in there for approximately almost two hours discussing what we could do to bring unity to the provisional government During this meeting there was a lot of finger pointing, but there were also good men saying I will refuse to point the finger. And I think that there were a lot of good relationships developed but it was determined that there should be a representative from each faction assigned to a committee There we three gentlemen who were assigned then to a committee To begin dialogue with all the different factions so we can bring them back together again But in lieu of that after we got out of that meeting

1:22:09 It was announced that the citizens themselves had set a meeting for June 8th. That June 8th meeting is to be a convention to elect a new provisional or a new government, so if the existing factions don't get it together... If they can't come to unity, then people will take care of the problem because it's their political right do so." provisional government or the different factions going to recognize that government? It would have to because it is an election of the people. Political power is inherent in the people and they have the inalienable right at all times, to change alter or abolish their former government in any manner they may deem expedient. Political powers are in the people and I want the state government to know that right now

1:22:58 the political powers inherent in the people. The current state government certainly isn't with the people, but that's a different discussion. Well, I'm just saying that the people have a right to determine what kind of government they will have and elect it. If they do elect it then the people... if we as factions aren't elected into that new government then we'll go off somewhere else and we'll have to be private citizens. Understood. Second question? The current US government, the current recognized state government of Texas basically makes the rules up as they go along when it comes to legal battles over jurisdiction and territory. I've been following the Republic of Texas for quite a while now and I don't see any headway being made simply because

1:23:58 The bottom line is, Texas and the U.S. government's not going to recognize any of the old treaties. I mean just take a look at the treaties they had with the Indians. So what makes you think or why does the Republic of Texas think that you're gonna gain any headway fighting this in the court system? And at what point are you going to lay that down and pick something else up? That's a good point. I agree with it. Well, I think we're at the point now where we're laying down one thing and picking up something else. What were laying down is the lawful process We have pretty well exhausted all possibilities as far as lawful process

1:24:38 documents or procedures or whatever. What we're picking up now is education, what were picking up now is to make this popular. What we want to do it's inform the people what the real truth is and let them decide I mean when we first started this thing a year ago last December we couldn't beg bar of steel anybody to attend our council meetings nobody knew who we were nobody knew what we are doing We figured if we had five people at a council meeting we had a big crowd But recently there's been crowds, two three four five hundred people showing up and now that we've had all this exposure even though we're having to do a bit of damage control because of what Mr. McLaren has done and given the republic sort of a black eye and the fact that were fractionalized that is causing another problem

1:25:24 But still, we are beginning to win the hearts of the people because the people are seeing that if they do not have something to back them up, have something to stand on, What's the alternative? The destruction or the collapse of the United States is imminent. And they've got themselves a dictator up there right now in the name of Bill Clinton, but people are starting to wake up! This is fantastic! I'm just not going to say anything... you have to agree with me on this one.

1:26:00 It breaks my heart what happened, happened because I'm now separated from my friend Rick McLaren. Anyway when he was on this show just a few months ago, he was just an ordinary guy calling in and talking world order and everything else. The thing I want to keep focusing on is that we are, again and this happens time and time again. We're only getting one source of information so alot of these people who are calling up with these attacks they don't know these people, they don't know you or those inside that place They're just basing their opinion on information they got from the corrupt establishment So i wanted to dismiss that as often as I can Next caller your on air

1:26:54 hello hi uh... i've gotten hung up on the four-hour format at the question about the unity and uh... how we're going to fight this battle but i did want mention that you know the majority of the mainstream press but i read it goes in one ear out the other so mcclaren did what he thought he had to do that's great more power to him because the drag you're going to have to be in jail for a while you start talking about educated educating the people though he's got this mass media uh... machine that is it constantly bombarding with the version of the story that that the powers that they want here absolutely

1:27:40 it how can you combat that what are you going to do go to door-to-door and the whole time out there educating people you've got this mass media multi-million dollar mass media machine on a roll sitting there portraying um... the republic of texas some of the other uh... patriot organizations as lunatics as um... uh... as backwater hicks and uneducated dirt farmers don't like the government because we are a trip whatever how do you collect did you have any even have a plan to combat that that kind of media it is constantly bombarding twenty four hours a day twenty-four hours after having fight there and i think that's if that isn't serious problem well uh... there's there's a mixture things on the i'd have to say what has one thing in my opinion

1:28:35 I think truth, as we've been talking about outside. Truth will cut through all of these lies. One thing personally that I feel is that I have a knowledge of higher power than these people There are spiritual things going on that these people don't know about they can't contend with They can't control The second thing is probably one of the most stubborn people in the world Once I know the truth I'm like one of those old snapping turtles I got it and am gonna hold onto it And as far as the image I'm going to portray, hey I am a Texas boy. I like Willie Nelson and Luke and Bach. I love Armadillos and Mockingbirds. I love Friday Night Football, Mexican food, enchiladas... You better believe it! I am Texan. I have always been Texan. And you don't like New World Order do ya? No they will not take Texans away from this Texan They can say what they want to me about it but I've got to be one of those stubborn But as long we have truth

1:29:28 then we will win. It's a slow process, but you eat an elephant one bite at a time. Yeah I agree...one mind at a time too Every mind that you open up to the truth That is another one if they don't have a... Your neighbor, next door neighbor, your neighbor down the street The people you work with That is where we win hearts of people We tell them truth But that is a serious problem because never in the history of this world, Lord she has there been such a propaganda machine in place coming out of that national media. The brainwash they repeat things over and over again to where the people are listening to this and they don't even know that their being brainwashed. It's a problem

1:30:12 The enemy does control that directly or indirectly. They are controlling the vast portions of information Even those patriots of 1776 did not have the support of all the population, they didn't do it but they were stubborn If nothing else it's fun to try. Must have been Texans, you know it has been rumored that David Crockett when he came across the Sabine River on the back of his horse there was a little bumper sticker that said I wasn't born in Texas but got here as soon as I could now that is just a rumor I don't know Next caller your on air with Archie Lowe hello hi how are ya doing first of all Jeff

1:30:54 uh... comment that i have a question about it hate to keep harping on it but uh... it bring back the marijuana issue that you're going to get there at the petition um... that i got by somebody down on the track and i've been involved with her for awhile now uh... trying to get as many signatures like that although it's not gonna help when the guy brought up the fact that should be legalized here in texas farc like that sovereignty goes. I'm all for that and one of the reasons why I want to make people aware is that number of American deaths per year that result directly are primarily from the following selected causes such as tobacco, alcohol and aspirin

1:31:39 Even aspirin, the deliberate overdose is 150 to 1,000 people per year. And marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. In early 1989, a man named Jack Herr and Maria Farrow put this question to Steve Rawlings, the highest ranking officer in the U.S. Department of Agriculture who was in charge of reversing the greenhouse effect at USDA World Research Facility in Beltsville. They introduced themselves

1:32:16 asked if you could have any choice what would be the ideal way to stop or reverse the greenhouse effect and he said, well stop cutting down trees and stop using fossil fuels. And they asked why don't we? He goes there's no viable substitute for water paper or for fossil fuels so we ask him why don't use an annual plant for paper and biomass to make fuel. Well without the idea unfortunately there is nothing that can produce enough materials there was a plant that could substitute for wood pulp, paper and all fossil fuels. Make the fibers naturally and make everything from dynamite to plastic grow in all 50 states and one acre of it replaced 4.1 acres of trees and if you used about 6% of the U.S land

1:32:57 to raise it as an energy crop, even on our marginal lands. This plant would produce all 75 quadrillion billion BTUs needed to run America each year and would that help save the planet? They asked him and he said, Would that be ideal if there's no such plant?" And they said well yeah there is, there are 10. And he laughed and goes, well I never thought of it. You know, think you're right hemp could be that plant if we could do it. Well thats a great idea! We were excited at that point then he pops off and says its a wonderful idea and I think it might work but of course you can't use it Did you know that hemp is also marijuana? Yeah of course I knew but I've been writing about it This guy Jack says hes been writing about it for 17 years and one of them proceeds

1:33:39 Mr. Rawlings said, well you know it's illegal and you can't use it not even to save the world? And he said no its illegal we cannot use something illegal not even to save the world We asked again stunned not even to save the world It's illegal You cant use period don't get me wrong with a great idea I want to go ahead and tell the Secretary of Agriculture that a crazy man from California gave you documentation that showed that hemp might be able to save the planet, and your first reaction is he might be right and need some serious study. What would he say? He goes well, I don't think I'd be here for very long after I did that. After all, I am an officer of the government." And I think that's really ridiculous in just part of it. Some more information there is a place where

1:34:22 They want you basically to write your senator, but I wouldn't recommend that because it's not really going to help. I don't think that would help at all. But a good point is show me...take the United States Constitution or hey take the Texas Constitution what in that constitution prohibits or allows regulate marijuana or alcohol or tobacco, or anchovies, or peanuts... Or guns. Show me the law in there." It is not there and there's no reason for our government to regulate anything like that- any consumable product. They tried that back in when was it? The 30s when they did a prohibition against alcohol? They never had a prohibition against marijuana

1:35:19 but they did a prohibition against alcohol and they had to repeal that. So if that is classified as a drug, and alcohol is, and they had to have a constitutional amendment to prohibit it then why don't they have to have a constitutional amendment to prohibit marijuana or hashish? Or any other thing I don't agree that its good idea to do this stuff. I wouldn't do it personally I want the opportunity to ride down a road on my motorcycle with no helmet. It's my business, not theirs. I agree... With that folks we're going to take a quick break.