Frontline Texas Jack Blood, Penny Langford Freeman, Paul Davis Aug 25th, 2008 [eZfyg56uE2w]

00:00 Honored to be on your show Jack. I have worked in the Republican Party in Texas since 1972, I worked in Republican party politics when you couldn't elect a dog catcher for anything We took the party and took the state over in 1978 with the election of Bill Clements Republican governor first Republican governor 105 years we won that election by one and a half votes per precinct. From there, I had managed the ballot security program in that campaign. Also did it for the Reagan-Bush campaign. Ultimately went to Washington and served in the Reagan administration. Went on to become executive director of an organization that had as its membership election clerks and election officials across the US. So I have an opportunity work with vendors to understand how voting equipment works or how doesn't work shall we say?

00:57 That's a pretty good thing, Carol. a little bit later in the show, but please continue. But let me get to the reason I'm here tonight and that's to introduce Penny Blankford Freeman. When, also was a very big Ron Paul supporter have been since about 1982 worked really hard in his presidential race

01:44 Many of us began to wonder where do we go from here after we thought that Ron probably wouldn't get the presidency. We talked about electing state legislators, people have talked about organizations. Organizations have formed, people have formed PACs to try to elect some of these people. Then I remembered the experience of 1978 when we went for the gold here in Texas and that was the gubernatorial. campaign and so I suggested to some people that we might want to look at that. The more we talked about it, the more we thought that's the only way to do this let's go for the goal lets make Texas a state other people can look at and say we want to emulate this state okay then next step is who do we run for governor?

02:30 We discussed that for quite some time as well. And then we all came up with Penny Langford Freeman, we approached Penny. Penny was a reluctant candidate but she has certainly looked at the demographics looked at various things at this point and has decided that she is going to give it serious attention. Penny worked in Ron Paul's office for 10 years or more, I've known her for probably... I've heard of that guy Ron Paul he has a giant revolution behind him and will be taking over the Republican National Coronation here back-to-back in fact today

03:13 Today, well no because today I saw the wonderful Chris Matthews. I don't know if you're familiar with Chris Matthews from Hardball we went and filmed an interview with him at Brown University where he puts his kids into the Ivy League school in Rhode Island And just to kind of break in here and give people a little background...I was shocked when he said And I'm quoting him verbatim, we got this on camera. He said you know i'm not going to lie to you... ...I am part of the establishment and I think the people at Waco got what they deserved. I mean he literally had the gumption to say that now today he was talking about the Puma people these are the people that are

03:51 that are backing Hillary Clinton and they're rabidly backing Hillary Clinton. They hate Barack Obama, not as much as I do but i think it's a close race there and they've gone and they spent all this time to put up blogs, to put out videos, to get a lot of the information out disclosure that President Obama doesn't want us to have you see I'm already calling him President Obama because I think its about at that point but what was gonna say was Chris Matthews was calling them all nuts! They're wacky, their nuts And then they have Chuck Todd come on, you know the young gentleman with the goatee on MSNBC. That is a General Electric network as many of us know and he said yeah you know like those Ron Paul I kind of they're kind of like the Ron Paul people that are going to be up at the Republican National

04:36 convention or coronation as I call it, which i'm not sure that would be a good comparison but before Ron Paul and his many many loyal supporters come up to Minnesota they're already labeling them as wacky and they haven't even done anything yet. But again I interrupt you Carol I've heard of Ron Paul. That's okay yes we love him And its unfortunate what has happened in the Republican party has happened but were going take momentum now were gonna move ahead with this How did we come up with Penny Lane for Freeman? We wanted, we've had Harvard. We've had Yale. We'd been there and done that. We've had pretty hair. We've had Mott Ferguson. So what were looking for when we came up with a candidate? We were looking for people's candidates somebody who was one of us. We were looking for someone with education own life. Somebody who is not a puppet of the elite

05:33 This woman that is on your show tonight is incredible. She was a rice farmer early in her life, she carried four babies on her hips to farm rice trying to save the family farm when the US Department of Agriculture was coming in and really trying to destroy things She unfortunately went through a divorce. She was the mother of single mom of four kids, she did everything to keep her family together. She was farming, she was homeschooling, she was working with the janitorial service anything that keep herself going but she never went on welfare. She never asked for food stamps, she was self sufficient and

06:16 She was actually recruited by Ron Paul's staff to work for them because of her extensive knowledge of the agricultural issues. From there, she went on to become Ron spokesman not only in the state of Texas but all over the United States. She was his policy director. Penny knows as much about the Constitution as Ron does in my opinion and so we were looking for someone honest conscientious, someone who would not disappoint us. We've been disappointed too much we want her we wanted someone who had run on the independent ticket Not be tied to a party and not be beholding to a party when she was elected So when we looked at all of those things the person that we came up with Was Penny and so we've come four or five months down the road now. We have an incredible

07:09 consultant that is going to be working with us, very high profile person that people will know when we're ready to announce that. We're gonna be doing credible polls. We already have financing to some extent for the exploratory committee so we are moving along or meeting with groups where certainly want our Ron Paul base to turn out We are adamant about paper ballots because no matter what we do for pity No matter what we do for another candidate if What you do at the ballot box does not count that everything that everybody has done will be for naught So we're on a two-pronged track here. We are looking and running an incredible one of the people

07:56 people's candidate for governor. And at the same time, we're looking at trying to overturn the electronic voting monopoly which disenfranchises voters because it does not give us the people. Seems like a lofty goal folks but you have to set these high goals, you have to be able to take on the big issues and I know that none of us are afraid to do that let's bring in our guest tonight Penny Langford Freeman. Penny thank you for joining us on the program Potentially the next governor of this great state of Texas. Penny, you guys are right now in an exploratory committee, exploratory phase of the campaign and the feedback coming in is fantastic. The support for you is already there. Tell us kind of a little bit about the process and where things are right now? Well first I had to be convinced because

08:52 because I've never been elected to anything, you know like Carol said and I told them. You know, I've never been a candidate. I've always been a consultant or strategist or director and I've worked on a lot of campaigns. And they said well good that's what they wanted is for me not be an establishment politician with the good hair. Right. You know, I said well if I run, I don't lose. Okay? I don't run to lose. I do not run to get out a message

09:29 I know how to win campaigns. I believe that to have a broader message, you have to be a credible messenger and so we're going to do this right." And the first phase was of course convincing myself that I would be a decent candidate and then talking to my family—and of course my family is kind of freaked out because it means travel and a lot of time away from home. And I still have one girl who's in high school, so they were very supportive and then to speak to my broader family, which was my husband's family and you know, my extended family. Which I'm one of eight on this the youngest of eight and I've got like 40 nieces and nephews right there is a pretty broad campaign right there so

10:20 I've been talking to them and they're getting on board and talking about things that we can do, and things that I shouldn't do like forget about my family. And of course you have to schedule and prioritize all those things. And I actually used to do Dr. Paul's schedule so that is something that I can use as well for experience. So this is where we are now. We're getting ready to take some pretty broad steps official steps and that means you know filing exploratory papers and things like that so we can start taking in funds. And it's going to cost a gazillion dollars I have to tell ya!

11:01 Well, that's one of the reasons we're bringing you on now. We need all the advanced media that we can get. I've had you on my radio show and trying to introduce you around. And I appreciate that. I know you were at the PAC meeting that Paul Davis is going to talk about here in a bit. Had a great time! This is all part of the process though. One of things when we had Ron Paul running was he had an incredible...I guess a lot of mainstream media didn't understand this but he had an incredible base, national base Not just to mention a base here in Texas, but a national base before he decided that he was going to go ahead and pull the trigger and run a national campaign like that. And that's why the infrastructure was so well set up. That's why it took off so fast and gained such great momentum. So that's why we're having you on Frontline Texas tonight I want to introduce you for those who don't know who Penny Langford Freeman is

11:50 this is a good chance to get to know her. We are going to be taking calls here in the show, so you're more than welcome to put her to the test I have we went and did an event in South Dakota Sturgis, South Dakota now was about a month ago amazing speakers up there musicians and Lakota Indians as well were out there very good host and we had a chance. We lived in a rooming house, folks! This is how they set it up. And Carol Jones and Penny Freeman myself and the gals from Vote Rescue and Pat Shannon, the great investigative reporter musician

12:26 works for American Free Press. It was just a whole bunch of us, we called it the Animal House but it was good chance for me to get to know Penny I mean you can always go put on a front when your coming out to meet people and spend a few minutes with them and shake hands or kiss babies or shake babies and kiss hands You can get to put on that front, you can put on that veil, that illusion But when your living in a house with somebody folks for several days 24 hours a day Sharing a bathroom and kitchen You get to know them pretty good. So I'm hoping that you become governor because uh, I've got some pretty good stories from our time up there and all of them very... All of them very pure and all of that but at the end of the day i want to get to know the candidate and we were just talking about this a little bit before went on air Penny about how people are going to be running as independent at least that's how it looks right now

13:20 And people, you know get into this party mentality. Well I've got to back whoever the Democrats put up. I've got to back whoever...I just check the D box or R box and I'm a Republican or Demopublican through and through or I'm a Green Party person or Libertarian person or Constitution Party person etc And that's how I think we got into all this trouble, Penny. At the end of the day we can't just vote for a party We've got to vote and support people When we find people that we like and trust and aren't owned by the elite

13:56 then we've got to get behind them. And if we can do that, I really believe we can change things. It's extremely important for me as a citizen of Texas here—I live in Texas my family lives in Texas, my business is in Texas all the viewers I'm sure except for some that might watch this later on the internet are in the same position We're sick and tired of Rick Perry's. We're sick and tired of these guys, of course Rick Perry brought up by Karl Rove. Is it any wonder we've been in this position? We're tired of the toll roads. We're tired of the cameras. We're tired of the police taking our blood and pulling us over on fishing expeditions. We're tired of the eminent domain and the property tax and the tax for this and the tax for that and the thises and the thats

14:41 So the only way we can change this is to find somebody that we know, that is going to go to bat for us and go to bat to win. So Penny your campaign if you're in the exploratory committee all signs are pointing that potentially after the election, this national election, you're gonna jump in here with both feet and that's what were all hoping I think all of the signs are pointing to that But when we get to that point, we're going to need support. So if you could talk to the viewers here briefly and just let them know what you plan to do? What's going to be on your docket? What are gonna be the big issues you run on?

15:19 Okay, well first I think that just who I am is very important here. You know in with this election it seems like with most elected officials That we have right now There's a huge disconnect you know it's like they're not even human anymore and And one of the big things that I plan on doing and talking about through this whole election is that we need to have a script and some communication with the people of Texas. Used to in the good old days, I don't know if you remember Jimmy Carter's fireside chats but our elected officials talked to us they told us what was coming up

14:41 So the only way we can change this is to find somebody that we know, that is going to go to bat for us and go to bat to win. So Penny your campaign if you're in the exploratory committee all signs are pointing that potentially after the election, this national election, you're gonna jump in here with both feet and that's what were all hoping I think all of the signs are pointing to that But when we get to that point, we're going to need support. So if you could talk to the viewers here briefly and just let them know what you plan to do? What's going to be on your docket? What are gonna be the big issues you run on?

15:19 Okay, well first I think that just who I am is very important here. You know in with this election it seems like with most elected officials That we have right now There's a huge disconnect you know it's like they're not even human anymore and And one of the big things that I plan on doing and talking about through this whole election is that we need to have a script and some communication with the people of Texas. Used to in the good old days, I don't know if you remember Jimmy Carter's fireside chats but our elected officials talked to us they told us what was coming up

16:01 They told us what was happening from their viewpoint and people could hear on the radio and talk to their elected officials. We don't see that anymore, there's... And that's where we have an electorate that is highly uneducated about what's going on. So just imagine having a governor who will tell you all of the legislation coming up talk to you about some of the problems with the budget, you know. Demand that our legislature read the legislation before it's ran through them. Read the legislation, understand what's coming up have understood constitutionally what they can do with this piece of legislation because that is a big problem here. They don't know many of our legislators do not even know the rule of law or what they are legally allowed to do

16:53 And so when they have a piece of legislation and they don't know what's, they don't even know their legal capacity or jurisdiction. They need to be reminded by somebody who does know. And I do know that because I've been learning it for the last 10 years, a lot of the things that are happening right now and a lot of the problems we're having right now is that government has gotten so big they haven't been under constitutional restraints and they are abusing their power and they are abusing the people. We have a moral responsibility to make our elected officials accountable

17:29 accountable to the people. And that's why I always tell people, forget reform. McCain is all about reform. Forget change. Obama is all about change. I'm saying in this election we the people have to take it back not reform it not change it but take it back because they work for you. You are paid with their tax dollars and they have to be reminded that they are under restraints because everything... You know, Patti I'm all about decentralizing repeal. So this is what Ron Paul was talking about when i get in on me not going to do anything really I mean I'm the president of the President's job executive job somewhat limited to what I can actually do obviously he would use the bully pulpit and maybe able to pull a few strings but

18:15 That's the problem is that they do so much. We pull back everything they've done like the toll roads again, eminent domain there are so many things we could just rattle off of our heads that need to be repealed and decentralized some of the big fascist system put together here in Texas And where Texas goes, folks you live in a great state. The rest of the country follows right along and we have to set that example That's right and you know the veto powers Who is this guy over here? Now I see he is on camera Do you know who you are on camera? This is Paul It is Paul Davis He has just joined us here from Tag Texas Paul will give you an introduction since they're putting you on camera here and I love your shirt by the way Right on yes sir There we go We didn't plan this

19:01 You know, I know it looks almost... well not going to say gay but it almost looks a little too fashionable. Bookends here with the Brave New Books. I know they're gonna love it. Brave New Bookstore is great! Paul you were uh... you can correct me if I'm wrong one of the founders at the Ron Paul meetup group here in Austin Texas which was one of the biggest meetup groups in the country? Right yeah exactly and how it all works out from A gentleman in Houston who was running the meetup group there, he suggested I started one here and we ended up having the biggest one. Between us and New York it was always neck-and-neck New York! Get a roll. Yeah, actually you know they got the highest percentage of votes for Ron Paul in the primary than anywhere else in the state and probably many other states because he worked so hard. Huge support and they loved it show them your ink right here your We The People Ink is that gonna get on there on the camera? My big arm there I know its... And then he has freedom right here

20:02 across his neck. Get that in frame. Look at this guy is committed folks right here, we the people. Ink permanent ink That's part of the commitment, but I mean anyone can get ink obviously Paul. Right. Paul Davis, I want to have you...I just wanted to introduce since they're putting me on camera it would be unprofessional of me not to do that we're going to talk about Tag Texas and the meeting that you guys put together in fact i think we have a clip from as well which will be able to show here very briefly Penny let me go back to you Penny because what were trying to do here is

20:39 is make people realize a lot of people are going to say, oh I'm for reform. I'm for change and I'm for freedom and I'm for the Constitution it's freedom in the Constitution you know we have heard this over and over again Are we at that point now where people look at somebody saying well I want to run for governor? I am a politician uh... i know your unwilling politician but i mean this is a job somebody has gotta do since I can't run But what do we say to the people out there that are so cynical at this point, just so jaded? It's like oh man I've heard that before. You're asking me to vote or call my congressman or something. That has never solved anything before

21:19 Number one, what do we say to those people about that and to crush that apathy and cynicism? And number two maybe share some experiences you've had with Ron Paul that might have rubbed off on you. That you could take here to Texas. Okay well number one I'm a real person okay. I've never been a politician. I have had to work just about every day of my life since I was 16 Because, you know I did not come from a family with and I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Right now just to give you a little bit about who I am right now...I'm a business owner! I don't have to do this. I don't need this job okay?

22:01 And the reason that I don't need this job is because I have worked and I've saved and I've invested. And I've been responsible with my money, and been responsible with my life. So that being where it is, then I don't need the job. You know first thing that I would tell the people of Texas is you know one of the number one things that I would like to do is cut my own salary because I think that its heinous that we have a governor that makes a six-figure salary, rides around in this dark black big huge vehicle with caravans. We're now paying for his new mansion $10,000 dollars a month for that and then this mansion you know the governor lives in I think that is heinous when most of the people here are having

22:46 in the state of Texas have a median salary of about $40,000 or $45,000 and are having a hard time putting food on their table and putting gas in their car. I think that is not a representative style of government If you want somebody who can identify with the problems of the people, you get somebody who actually has had the problems of the people. I had to raise four kids by myself that was very hard sometimes I have one can a green beans in my cabinet i know what it means to do without and I know what it means too budget and cut spending on things that you do not need and there is a lot of stuff in this in this budget eighty two point five billion dollars

23:29 that we do not need. Matter of fact, it's so loosely spent right now that we lost $1.1 billion in the tech stock spending. So I mean if you can just lose 1.1 billion dollars and no one was fired, held accountable. No one was indicted for stealing it you know what does that tell you about the accountability of your government? That's right and not to mention the fact that I don't see Texans profiting as a state from the resources that come out of Texas same thing is happening i mean if you look at Louisiana with the poorest states out there in the country and especially now with all the recent trouble with the natural disaster whatnot

24:11 They don't get all that oil money. I'm not saying we should create a communist state out of Louisiana, but what am saying is wouldn't gas be cheaper in Louisiana if they're pumping it all out to the rest of the world and the rest of the country? Couldn't they get a break? Couldn't they get a tax break? We're talking about the same thing going on in Montana where all this sweet crude has been found there and somebody's talking about well we've got all this and John McCain wants to send Exxon in there to drill for it or Halliburton or Bechtel to do that. No, I mean these are things these resources belong to the people of Texas and can be at least in some way shape or form put towards the payment of all of these services and resources and taxes and energy but these are just things that are so common sense Penny. Well they go right... You know if you're not doing them their crooks

25:02 Well, and you know all the CEOs of those oil and energy companies. They're high rollers and they own the lobby. The corporate lobby on the state legislature in Washington DC basically owns those two entities okay? The corporate lobby owns our legislature right now And so we have to have people who will go up there and say, no I'm not even going to listen to you because you have your own agenda and your own interest. That is get rich quick off of tax payers money. Another thing that is heinous is these lobbies with the Texas Education Agency

25:49 You see all these billboards everywhere, all over town. That is our money that they are lobbying the legislature with so you have a corporate lobby and then you have a taxpayer funded lobby We're doing it federally we're doing it by city, by town, we're doing it by state I just saw today again 100 million dollars from the taxpayers to pay for these parties, these conventions Right. You know, with 100 million voters I guess that's $1 per voter but that stuff starts adding up and here with the immigration problem and social services going to them the massive welfare state that is being perpetuated and kind of conned into everybody's basic lifestyle here. I mean, now whatever they're going to plan to do with health care, with homeland security... We talked last week on the program about The Real ID Act and biometric IDs and how that's a boondoggle that's gonna cost us money. All we have to do is just not do that stuff and look how much money we save but then again if we can tap in some of the resources of this state

26:52 use community resources as charity to help people rather than to get them stuck on the government welfare plan. Penny, I know this is all stuff that you know Ron Paul knows do you think we'll get it through to Texans? Are they going to vote for another cheerleader or a second third term for cheerleader Perry or was are they gonna just forget it and throw it all to the wind and put in kinky Friedman? Are they going to have any sense this time around, in 2010 we've got two years. I'll tell you I hope so because its getting to where that the abuse of government abuses is so bad and it's affecting families and citizens so badly

27:31 that I don't see this republic lasting very much longer because of our fiat money, the Federal Reserve controlling the value of the dollar. I just don't see it going on very much longer. We're looking at graduating from a recession to a full-blown depression and they're gonna see, they think they see abuse now with people taking their children and their property. And you know everything that they're tax dollars all of this stuff it's a broad abuse but if they don't start realizing it we don't start educating them through this campaign I don't see this country being for life liberty in the American way for very much longer. You saw my little man

28:20 Fallon when we came on the air a lot of people have met my little guy here and this is what it's about. We've got to preserve a future for our children, it sounds trite you know like you just worn that out a million times its always for the children but we mean it folks! It is for the children. Let me tell ya something there is a bill before Congress right now and it's Chuck Hagel's bill that every Man, woman and child from 17 to 44 will be drafted and serve in military service. Oh they've got to do that! Okay because we're fighting these wars all over the world and we come up with new ones every day Every military analyst has said if we stay going the way were going there's gonna have to be a draft no ifs and or buts about that Penny I want you to be in this conversation one of the things I want you to know when

29:10 We elect you governor of Texas. When you win, and when you officially declare we'll even talk a little harder about your winning... You're gonna win! This guy over here Paul Davis is going to make sure you're accountable Texans for accountable government. Absolutely! There are no friends in politics we love Penny but we're gonna put the screws to every single politician, to every public servant out there make sure that government is accountable for once Paul please tell people about your political action group and the meeting you guys had yesterday We just trying take all this momentum from the Ron Paul revolution

29:47 And again, like you mentioned here in Austin it's just a hub for activism. People that are aware of what is going on so we realized I had an elder tell me years ago he said if you want to really make some change and have an effect then you have to establish some type of political caucus. So were really excited about this. With the PAC, it allows us to raise some funds to be able to do things before that we were having to pay for our own pockets out of here and there. And that's rough for people who just have everyday jobs like us you know? So its going to really open the door for to take in some money, to get people involved in the organization. Not only do we want to hold the government accountable here in state of Texas but also members of the group, members of TAG, people that have leadership roles or just organizing roles so that we can really have everything in order and start to effect real change

30:43 This is infrastructure that is organized. You have just elected a steering committee yesterday, I know at the first convention you are on that steering committee and the agenda will be things that are good for Austin and good for Texas. And there's a pile of things now people can become a member of this and they can have an influence over what the steering committee goes after what the agenda is what the target is going to be Paul TagTexas.org is the website people can sign up I think it's 10 bucks a year to be a member and obviously they can contribute more, they can contribute their time and effort. I've honestly believed that if you have 1,000 people in any state

31:26 If you have a thousand people in any state, the producer just said don't talk about money. I don't think we did but it is a fact that if you want to be a member it costs ten bucks none of you do it okay? But whatever... yeah in either case I really think it's a fact that if you have 1,000 people in the city or even in the state and you can move them around and have them all coordinate whether they're all faxing at the same hour. Or calling at the same hour are going to one place to redress their grievances. Even 1000 people 500 people would make such a difference in a state with millions of people that we would begin to see things change just almost immediately. Right, exactly and the perfect example of that was this chief of police here who just recently announced they want to start taking our blood on the roadside if people refuse breathalyzer or whatever. That really was a galvanizing event that took place that kind of showed the power that we can have here as

32:26 Wait a minute Paul, he said that was for your safety. Oh it's always for your safety you know? In case you might crash... For the children! We talk about a victimless crime I think we might have talked about this last week too. In case you might crash of course they've now set the bar so low that your grandma can have two beers and she is drunk driving she is an experienced drinker with 40 years experience oh I shouldn't say that about your grandma Paul But that's the fact. I mean, you haven't even committed a crime yet and you're already in trouble and of course once you get caught for something like a DUI it's on your record your insurance goes up, you're on probation... They are hounding you now almost for the rest of your life It can open the gates to getting into even more trouble but if that's not enough for your safety because they love you they're gonna take your blood

33:17 against your will if you refuse to take the appropriate tests for alcohol which are unconstitutional according to your fifth amendment. You have a right not to incriminate yourself, and you have a right to call a lawyer." Now this is the point where I start pounding on the table Paul because this is just some of what we're fighting but folks I want to tell you, we're going to take your calls here in just a second. We've won stuff! There are a lot of things here that we have won including getting rid of the new Freedom Initiative, the forced drugging and testing of our children, speaking about drunk driving. We chased out the checkpoints with Texans against checkpoints though they do come back illegally. They aren't constitutionally allowed to set up checkpoints here in Austin Texas or in Texas at all

34:00 And there's a long list of things that we have accomplished here. So with Tag Texas, Texans for Accountable Government by putting together a campaign for an honest governor that can then be an example to all the politicians and all other people think about all the people that just have absolutely no moral compass because Rick Perry is their example You know, when I think about that Penny, how much good we can do with just a little support and a few moves. It really actually gives me hope and makes me quite happy! The number if you could put it on the screen guys let's take a couple of calls and you can ask specific questions for myself or my guests

34:43 and we'll continue to let you know about organizations that are out there trying to get accountability, truth and justice. Before we get done, we're gonna give you a vote rescue all alert message. 25 gun instant massive alert that you need to think about for tomorrow morning. So get your pens ready for that let's take some of these calls if we can I believe i just pushed the button number one you're on the air are you on the air? Hello thank you for joining us sir y'all talking about funds being misused and everything else

35:21 I don't see none of you with the Longhorn t-shirt or nothing on, to the Texas Education Agency, our college agency. educations that they're spending out here, the waste of money that it's cost us the taxpayers, the citizens of Austin to explore. Build a new stadium almost over all that money also how many kids have been on that UT football team has been drug busted for drugs each year that that student stays in there and scholarship is $100,000 dollars out of our taxpayers' money cut it back. Yes, but what I'm going to get driving at

36:05 is let's go to Highland Park schools up there. Those people are taxed to death, but almost 99% of those kids graduate out of school. The rest of Dallas has only got 47% graduating out of high school." Where is all that money going? I'll tell you... Thanks for the call sir. Yes, I can fully identify with this because my kids have been homeschooled and privately educated in a private parochial school and then I have also had kids in public school. Right now there has been a poll taken by Empower Texas that over 50% of the people of Texas are either very unhappy or moderately unhappy with the way our schools are being run and the type of education that our children are getting, however

37:01 Over 50% of the budget is going for education and they keep screaming for more and more money. What kind of aesthetics does it actually take for a child to be educated? I had two of my kids that were educated, taught how to read under a tree. Okay so this money is not getting into the classroom most of it is going... They're probably a lot more educated than the ones where you spent 50 thousand a year on them And I knew that they could read because I was paying attention but This is another problem. So many of the people and so many of the parents are kind of asleep at the wheel, you know? They're not in that classroom making sure their kids are getting taught and a lot of that budget I have to say is going to administration costs rather than actually educating the kids

37:50 or stadiums. that they were lamenting that they had to have temporary housing for their children. You know, there are a lot of people who live in temporary housing and these kids go there a few hours a day get taught what they need to be taught and it's not like you have to have this museum attitude for schools

38:29 You know, we need to have a limit in these school districts. Have to have some accountability on how this money is being spent because if we send our money through income taxes to Washington D.C., we have a Department of Education up there and No Child Left Behind that does absolutely nothing but burn up 75 cents of your money for every dollar they send us back just a little bit and we use that little bit for the TEA. And that needs to stop, that That needs to stop. It's socialism, and socialism does not work. And again how Texas goes the rest of the country goes especially in education Penny because the fact is that The Carnegie Foundation they formulate the books on Texas curriculum and California and they sell so many there that they just print them massively out to all the other states So again if we can change this We can set an example in Texas

39:27 then the benefit will go to the other states and the other cities as well. Absolutely, and Jack you know I totally believe that if there was more competition in the education industry right now we have a government monopoly and if you think that government doesn't work you know that a government monopoly will not work so you know we have to have whether it's vouchers whether it is more legalization of competitive schooling. There are a lot of different ways that we can do this. I have an idea, if we have a sound money system and were not giving away half our income for taxes or other welfare programs and keep all our money maybe we could afford to pay

40:10 for private schools for our kids. If that's what you want to do or the mother can stay home, or the father can stay home, or both can educate the child in the home through a homeschooling program. Jack right now we're paying about $8900 per child per student in Texas, okay? It costs about $4000 for a private education per student. And right now even the East Coast schools are asking for and giving preference to homeschooled children because they're better behaved and they have a better education

40:50 So it is not that unusual for them to ace an SAT test. We'll pay for him to go through the indoctrination centers, we'll pay for him and going into the prison industrial complex Paul I know when i said sound money no taxes uh... I kind of heard his teeth gritting. His eyes were bouncing around in there That's a pretty good idea seems to fix everything folks Go ahead call at number on this screen looks like we have about another fifteen minutes left Try to ask a quick question, my guest Penny Langford Freeman. Penny4Governor.com is that correct? I have it on the screen here. Pennyforgovernor.com and then with us also Paul Davis, one of the founders of The Great Meetup Ron Paul meet up group here in Austin Texas now with Texans for Accountable Government that is tagtexas.org Caller two you're on the air thanks for joining us on Frontline Texas Good evening Can hear me? Yes we can sir Okay If i was a governor I would open

41:51 investigation into 9-11 and I would stand behind it, and I want to know if the madam there would open an investigation using Texas's best investigators to investigate 9-11. That is not a Texas crime notice. What I'm tired of is all these politicians that want to get in office they get in office you know, they shun away from it. This country has been hijacked and unless we realize that and bring those people at the highest level to justice all of this that you guys are talking about is meaningless. That's not true! I mean if there was nothing... We're losing and still playing their game. And I have investigated 9-11 for seven years since it happened. That's not true because if your focused on some of these big issues which are very important and if you listen my show you'll know that

42:43 you're going to get steamrolled into your local community. I mean, I agree with you on the one hand and on the other, but I don't think it's the governor of Texas' job to investigate what happened in New York and Washington D.C.. I think Penny... safe to say we can't believe the government on everything they tell us? Well, I believe in questioning everything that government does and I would wholeheartedly back a non-government or another investigation because FEMA did that investigation, and you know how efficient FEMA is. But you know, I have never... You know, I'm not an engineer, and I don't claim to know everything about engineering but some of the things whenever there's a problem in government whenever there's a question in government

43:39 There are some things that are questionable about it. Qui bono, who benefits? Obviously these questions need to be asked if any police officer looked into the issue of 9-11 there would be a lot of people that would have been under the hot lights and fortunately that didn't happen but Penny I really believe these are important issues our government lied to us potentially on something uh... that was had so many bowling ball effects. I mean, we had to give up our liberties. We have expensive wars it's just one thing after the other all of it based and predicated on 9-11 so that is a big issue but... And we can't take our eye off the ball at the things we can actually fix in our neighborhoods and interstates and cities and that is also extremely important Alright caller 1 you're on thank you for joining us on Frontline Texas Hello? Hello Hi

44:30 Hi. Hello? You're on the air! Go ahead, we can hear you. Okay um I was just calling to ask about your opinion for the mandatory fingerprinting for teachers it seems that they already uh the school systems can get your driver's license and check your background that way And it seems as if the fingerprinting is almost being done as a way to hand out contracts to these fingerprinting companies. They've already lost a lot of teachers' fingerprints, I believe Wichita Falls

45:10 the whole city they lost the fingerprints and they've lost some of the teachers' fingerprints that they have taken in the area and City of Austin. What's your opinion about that? Well, once again you know government surveillance is something that has to really be looked at especially on even going as far down as the local level because you have to watch out The Texas has a Bill of Rights, and in that Bill of Rights it directly mirrors and is germane to the U.S. Bill of Rights. And it is very, very sticky when you start violating people's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights all encompassing their privacy. So once again government trying to track people down...

45:58 I have a teacher, I had a teacher in school. She taught for 45 years they never fingerprinted her does that make them a better teacher to have you know their blood type and their fingerprints and a piece of hair do DNA background how about a test to see what these teachers know before they come into class? What are your think what do you think about that You ask the question. I don't agree with it, I think it's an invasion of privacy but what bothers me the most is no one standing up against it. Well what about... Caller what do you feel about these random drug tests for all the kids that wanted to participate in extracurricular activities?

46:45 I don't agree with, I just don't agree with a lot of what's going on. programs or these issues that are being brought up to generate money where they, it's almost like there is a money grab. Where can we take money from here? It is also conditioning our children and their teachers to be prisoners and act like prisoners and act like they're guilty before actually again committing a crime You know, this is one of those issues. Caller thanks for calling in. Probably a pretty good issue for you Paul I mean this is something that your organization can tackle but what I want to say to all the viewers out there tonight watching Frontline Texas is if you get upset about something If you find something like this that's absolutely just not going to sit with ya rather than saying well nobody's doing anything about it why don't YOU do something about it?

47:42 it. Why don't you be the leader because I've seen what one person can do and we have these people on my radio program all the time, and if you just say okay I'm going to take a stand. We had Linda Dean or Sheila Dean on last week and she's fronting Texans Against the Real ID, the 511campaign.org and she just works constantly to do this she's taking it upon herself so maybe that's your line in the sand if that's your calling you put up the flag and everybody starts rallying and we just get rid of it Paul The surveillance state as a whole and surveilling our students

46:45 I don't agree with, I just don't agree with a lot of what's going on. programs or these issues that are being brought up to generate money where they, it's almost like there is a money grab. Where can we take money from here? It is also conditioning our children and their teachers to be prisoners and act like prisoners and act like they're guilty before actually again committing a crime You know, this is one of those issues. Caller thanks for calling in. Probably a pretty good issue for you Paul I mean this is something that your organization can tackle but what I want to say to all the viewers out there tonight watching Frontline Texas is if you get upset about something If you find something like this that's absolutely just not going to sit with ya rather than saying well nobody's doing anything about it why don't YOU do something about it?

47:42 it. Why don't you be the leader because I've seen what one person can do and we have these people on my radio program all the time, and if you just say okay I'm going to take a stand. We had Linda Dean or Sheila Dean on last week and she's fronting Texans Against the Real ID, the 511campaign.org and she just works constantly to do this she's taking it upon herself so maybe that's your line in the sand if that's your calling you put up the flag and everybody starts rallying and we just get rid of it Paul The surveillance state as a whole and surveilling our students

48:18 something for texans for accountable government yes totally and i mean you know the main thing to is going after what are called criminals on the criminals who were or pushing these policies uh... there's a lot of things that have taken place that people don't even have any say so over as a lot of underhanded things that are taking place out speaking of perry in his uh... boys up their um... so we want to go after the criminals and and after the policies they go against the liberty that we're supposed to have and try to cut this off at the hip because a lot of times when you do address it, things happen. And people need to realize that if we don't stand up to it, we know what we're going to get. We know that and when you do stand up to it, just like Jack was saying earlier, we have some wins under our belt and we are just getting started so people really need

49:10 So we take about three, four hundred people down to the Department of Education and we let them have it. We don't go until we get to talk to somebody. We get all the news stations to come down there put out mass press releases and maybe see if we can put the fear of liberty in them. Let them know that were trying to legalize freedom! And Jack it doesn't take a majority The majority of people don't even vote anymore You know, a few activists that are willing to fight on an issue. People who will not lay down and just take whatever the state will give them. And we have a moral issue to do these things and to fight these abuses because you know just like any child abuse this is child abuse! Government is practicing child and citizen abuse and we have a moral right to fight it

50:02 Certainly one of my lines in the sand, but I've been sharpening my pitchfork here for quite some time on some of these issues. And you know all this say it, I mean Penny, you're a professional person we're going to set you up and whatever do we can do to help push your campaign forward because i think he'd make a great governor Paul your organization is really shows a lot of potential. I however am just a revolutionist political anarchists for the most part and that about I'm not going to make any friends. I don't care about making friends, it doesn't matter if you're watching this TV show or listening to my radio show we're gonna go out and really take that boot off the neck of the citizens of Texas and around the country and if I have to take my pitch fork out in my torch and go down to somebody's house I mean I'm gonna do that but I speak for myself and not for my guests today caller two your on-the air thank you for joining us

50:56 Hey, what's up guys? John Bush here. How y'all doing tonight? Hey John Bush! Also from Texans from Accountable Government What's up man Yeah, I want to comment on that guys a call earlier on the 9-11 issue and my comment is while that is Absolutely important. I think more people need to realize that we need to live in the now and be aware That we do have the ability to take over From the local level and then from there work our way up like what senator Kirk Watson was just the mayor not too long ago That's feasible for freedom minded people you know it just takes a little momentum which I believe that we already got the ball rolling I call Watson Zellacow if some of you have researched 9-11, you'll know what I mean by that and his little job there with Techstat. It happened John it happened seven years ago. I still want accountability but why not get accountability for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing that was an admitted FBI sting operation? Why not get accountability for Waco we just had Randy Weaver on our radio program it was

51:55 anniversary for Ruby Ridge. We still haven't gotten full accountability and full disclosure on that. Again, Oklahoma City has another story full of holes which of course gave us the Clinton crime bill which was maybe even worse than the Patriot Act but certainly a precursor to it So there's a lot of things like that we can get to, but man if we can get in and what I want people to do and people who listen to my national show is look at a group like Texans for Accountable Government. Again their website is tagtexas.org Please go there, look at it, sign up, get behind something like this and get something professional that can move and will start taking the chips back and put them on our side of the table. And once you get a couple of those victories Paul its so sweet! Its so fun

52:40 that it becomes addicting and so many Texans are going to want to join this, and they're going to be hungry for more victories. As soon as we start backing them into a corner a little bit then the fear comes on the part of government then we have freedom instead of tyranny I mean it doesn't take a lot for them to start running in hiding and selling each other out which is kind what we're seeing now at national level Right exactly you're so right You know, you talked about our ability to get some wins under. There is a lot of things where people are watching there's a lot of people waiting to jump on the bandwagon and they're just waiting for the right time or when they feel like something is really an effective organization so this is that we had a huge meeting last night I think we had maybe how many people would say

53:27 When I left there, there was at least 150 people or more. Yeah 200 people and so it's serious and people that came up to talk to me feel really good about it because they see the things That can that's just a first meeting John. I look forward to you guys doing great things And I hope everybody watching this TV show They live in Texas this concerns You may not have to do very much to even help them get started in a big way go to tag Tag texas org and check that out go to penny free man for government. Give me the website again. Pennyforgovernor.com. That's so easy to remember too, pennyforgovernor.com but then I have a lot on my mind

54:06 Let's see, do we have time to take one more call? We'll give it a shot here. Line 3 last call or front line text thanks for joining us I got two questions for the future governor and that is since it was taken out of our jurisdiction would you reopen the Kennedy assassination and also I was one of those guys starting in late 70s rode around with a the Kennedy assassination, you know that's sort of like a lot of things. They kind of bury it and then after 50 years they find out that something really, really did happen. They called them conspiracy theorists way back when it happened right? When everybody knew that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have done that and I see a lot of these things happening now

54:59 that people are saying, oh you're a conspiracy theorist. Well our track record shows us that we cannot trust the government we have to do citizens research on it... What's with the whole lone gunman theory? A conspiracy theory is kind of hard to swallow for me personally Everybody is a kook! You know everybody's a kook and nobody can have a difference of opinion. You are trained not to question the government because you were a kook if you did So we can reopen Kennedy investigation potentially? Reopen any investigation, especially if it's the citizens. You know I think that one of the first things that we need to do first is investigate TextDot!

55:38 You know? Investigate all of these agencies that are spending your money, right and left. Make them accountable for that first then we'll go back and research those other things but what was this next question? Secession! That is a politically volatile topic I would rather call it prohibiting federal jurisdiction because all of these federal mandates coming down are really, you know they really need to be resisted. They need to be vetoed. All these things like the new business tax needs to be repealed but last time we tried

56:17 We got a war and that's something that we really don't need right now Potentially anything is on the table and Penny will be happy to talk about it. Thank you guys for joining us on the program today Quickly tomorrow morning at 830 in the morning at the Travis County Commissioners Court located at 314 West 11th Street in the corner of 11th and Guadalupe, we need everybody out in the morning They are now allocating hundreds of thousands of dollars more for electronic voting machines Let's go stand up tomorrow VoteRescue.org right now, find out where to go sign up you can speak if you live in Travis County folks that does it for our program today I thank you all for watching Richard Reeves should be back probably not next week because it's Labor Day but most likely the week after folks please take care of yourself your family take care of Texas I will be there tomorrow yeah

57:06 JackLudd.com, Genesis Communications Radio Network 90.1 3 o'clock every day I'll see you there thanks for joining us on Frontline Texas Thanks Jack Yes get off your butt do something!