Charlie Waits The Jeff Davis Show Jan 6th 1997 [xI4IqmW53Yk]

00:00 He had an attorney file suit and they gave him a $15,000 award for that illegal entry like that. But who cares? It's just the people's money so you know they can pay people off for breaking into their homes. But it is very important to go through with an attorney and subpoenaed that tape. Okay. Yeah don't put up with that man! I'll have look into that. before they'll tape over it if you don't do it real soon. Yes sir, I believe it and gentlemen enjoy your program and carry on Be sure to send me that letter now. I will Galen thank you Good luck buddy, I understand Let's take just a couple minutes Patients sometimes arrive at the hospital in no condition. Patients sometimes arrive at the hospital in no condition to identify themselves, leaving doctors unable to check their records. Joan Drummond reports on one high-tech solution

00:55 Put your right thumb, right in the middle of this. With a touch of a thumb... Okay you can remove it. Sarah Smith creates a new way for her doctor to identify her with their medical record I think people will get in and out places lot faster than normally The new system is called positive patient identification A scanner captures and records the image if patients' thumb prints With that we're able to create a record that is stored in database for the patients that would include there name, their medical record number and the fingerprint data. The idea came from former court reporter Carolyn Schiebel She thought taking a page from the criminal justice systems book could help her new hospital employers speed registration and cut fraud More people feel that they're in the driver's seat there's more security And that their record won't be accessed unless

01:44 you know, they present their own phone. Good news for Richard Moore. I'm cutting off my right leg While LaPorte Hospital in Indiana is the first hospital to use the positive patient identification system The idea is catching on among hospital administrators around the nation The reason they cite cost-effectiveness The scanner and software can be added to Pentium PCs for three to four thousand dollars a piece By this summer, at least three more facilities will be using the technology. But some wonder if such new systems create a trade-off between efficiency and privacy? There's this tension between wanting to get access to that record and not wanting anybody to know there is anything wrong with you because that information can be held against you

02:27 in all sorts of ways. But many using the thumbprint ID say for them, the benefits outweigh the potential risks If you were alone and no one was with you when you were brought in it would Could be a lifesaver. Joan Drummond for CNN, La Porte Indiana. Hello? Hi! New caller. Yeah that's me. About the government controller are we going to have... Have you heard about the transponders that they want to install in everybody They're already putting them in cows, you can go downtown and get one for your dog at the pet shop. I'll tell you this folks, I worked for a large animal vet whenever i was in high school for two summers and prized cattle are already having these transmitters And you put a gun up to them that has a computer screen just like Walmart where they scan the items

03:16 and it'll tell you everything about that thing's life, its sicknesses what shots it had. Yeah but it's gonna be good for us! Hey! It could've been good for us though. But listen people that think this is bull... You go downtown to the DPS office they are scanning your thumbs now when you get a driver's license Go downtown and find out yourself Five years ago I would have never bought anything Alright let the caller talk man. Alright I ain't stopping. Hey I'm with ya there. Hello Austin, Texas. We are back with the final segment and joining us today The final segment here is an old friend of mine that goes back way probably 91 or so right? Way back. I'm very merry. Old Charlie Waits many of y'all will recognize his voice from talk radio

04:20 and he's going to be with us here, talk a little bit about public education. I want to come up with a couple of points here As you get older you've had experiences that other people some haven't had and you can't duplicate the only way to have an experience is to have it experienced There is something they say honor thy father and mother to live a long and productive life. I don't know whether I've quoted that correctly or not, but it also might mean listen to older people who have been where you're going and have had experiences that you have not had. Now they say that a picture is worth 1,000 words so i'd like this try to establish some credibility with some experiences as the young guy

05:21 When I went to school, I did poorly in school. I was started in my fourth year because one of my parents insisted that I was a genius and just...school was not good and in the summer of my 14th year I pushed an ice cream cart You'd push that ice cream cart and say, Ice Cream Hunkies Popsicles Fudgsickles Pushups Pints Cho Chos Cups & Sandwiches. Well I made more money than ever dreamed I would make. You made about $3.60 by working at the A&P grocery store all day long 12 hours. $3.60 well i was making twelve fourteen sixteen dollars a day an enormous amount of money back then

06:15 And then the next summer I went to high school and had not experienced any success until that time in school. Another thing that occurred when i was pushing that ice cream cart is, I created myself physically Aerobically this is me and the man with me here is Perrin Walker. Perrin Walker was a three time Olympian. He was our coach and I did well without knowing why at that time

07:07 I just about ran away from everybody in the city of Atlanta, Georgia because I had pushed that ice cream cart. I had done physical work and it was regularity and it hadn't been increased and I'd made myself a very strong aerobic person so I couldn't wait to grow up and become a coach or physical educator. That was what I wanted to do, and I did go...I did get a scholarship to the University of Tennessee And I did run on a team that won the conference for four years I ran. And I did get a degree in education and prepared myself to be a coach and physical educator Then i went into US Army

07:56 I got into that part and coached the Fort Benning track team. I coached the Fort Benning track team, but don't have a picture of that. But I coached it in 53-54 and we won all our meets and did real well so then I was contracted after I left the service while I was in the service I worked for George Washington University. They had what they called psychological research and they wanted me to attempt to write a program of physical fitness for troops that would keep the troops fit after basic training, and i've worked at that for four years during that time i did some other things uh... there's a project train fire

08:55 where we redid the marksmanship program. We are talking about a punchy peak target up here in this top one. A punchy peak target was the target that you could press a button and the target would come up, and if you hit the target it would fall just like when you hit a person. This is Dr Howard McFann and this is my lovely wife down here we both work there And we worked there for I guess about 6 years in all And we learned to use the scientific method. Now, the scientific method is an old-fashioned way to do things nowadays but it really worked good back then It's a method of research in which a problem is identified The hardest part of a problem sometimes is defining the problem

09:50 Relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from this data and the hypothesis is empirically tested. Empirically derived from or guided by experience or experiments provable or verifiable by experience or experiment So the scientific method requires a single specific problem to be defined they deal with only one problem at a time. You eliminate all variables, total complete objectivity not prejudice and it must be provable by someone else retesting what you have tested and that way you can make progress And when I left that program I defined three problems This is the paper that's dated

10:47 March 31st, 1958 when I left that program after being in the army and here for about six years. And in this program I defined why the soldier and the student are not physically fit it's because they don't give acceptable effort We do poorly at what we do because we don't give acceptable effort. Now, the reason why you don't give acceptable effort that is the reasons that the problem exists and they were three each person is different You're different in combinations of size and weight and parenting and experiences everybody is different

11:36 So if everybody is different and you have 50 people in a class or 200 people in the company. How do you put each person under the proper load without overworking some and under working others? If you under work some, you don't help them. if you over work some they give up they can't do it So how do you put each person under the proper load that's first reason people don't give acceptable effort is we don't put them under the proper low this second one is we only do things that we can take pride in doing

12:12 So how do you make each person in that class or group feel good about their individual performance? And the third reason they don't get acceptable effort is you can keep them motivated because of the first two problems. How to keep a motivated for the, how do you keep them motivated for the 9 to 12 weeks that it takes for real and significant improvement to occur. How to put them under the proper load? How do you make them proud of their performance and how do you keep them motivated? If you can solve those three problems everybody in a classroom or group will give acceptable effort

12:53 Now I said in 1958 when i left, that I could not solve these problems. But I had done half the work and defined the problems And those are still the problems today People... The children don't get a large percentage of the children Don't give acceptable effort and why they don't give acceptable effort is Is uh..is the real problem There's three reasons they don't give acceptable effort After that I left the University, George Washington University and I left the infantry school. And I went to Atlanta and tried to become a teacher. Well, I couldn't get a job teaching. I was making about $5600 a year which was plus expenses. And I couldn't get a job teaching so I went to work as a salesman

13:51 And I worked for a fellow by the name of Ivan Allen in Atlanta. And Ivan, I already knew how to sell because I had been taught how to sell pushing an ice cream cart. Well, I didn't know that I knew how to sell so I went to work for Ivan and eventually after about six months I got into specialty selling and I was sold a 3M product And this is a picture of myself and my family. If you can come in on that, it would be a good one This is the picture of myself and my family This is my wife and three children. This was the car I had just won at sales contest

14:37 I was the number one salesman for 3M company, that...for their product which was the old copy machine. And none of my children...I couldn't wait to grow up! I wanted other people to have that athletic experience that I had and I could...I couldn't wait to grow up and do that but it didn't turn out Here's my first family. I've been married to one woman all forever, 45 years and I have two families. This family was just about grown when the last child came and none of these children had the athletic experience

15:16 They, we used to go boating and we used to go camping. And this is the big boat that I had and threw away my money with. So these are... none of these kids had the athletic experience. And I let myself...I worked too hard. I got overweight. I drank too much. I smoked too much. an egg with legs or a hog. And from, let's see about anyway from my 45th birthday to my 48th birthday I recreated myself physically In here somewhere there is a picture of myself Here i am weighing 189 pounds About what I weigh now Here I'm weighing 189 pounds up here

16:12 and down here I recreated myself physically and weighed 139 pounds. 189, 139 pounds and I had just made myself a young man and much older than you are. This is actually the book that I have written? Yes. I didn't know you had written a book. I've written five books. This is Charlie Waits right here. The book is called the 506 mile. Right, you can barely walk 15 minutes and 3 years later you run a 506 mile. Now as I said I had a second family My Mary Ellen came along She came along when the youngest of the other three was 13

17:08 And Mary Ellen was just a joy. She was my child and my grandchild I had a chance, you know when you hear about medical practices When you raise children you don't know how to raise children Mary Ellen came along and I had gotten over the boat and all this stuff. And, I was wanting to do you know raise her exactly like...I put more into raising her. The other times I was more in tune with doing something for myself and my family but Mary Ellen

17:46 had a good physical education teacher at her Hill Elementary and they did the job of getting her to... this is some of the awards she got when she was in grade school. And then I became her soccer coach, and Bobby McCarron was her soccer coach And I was her assistant, I was the assistant soccer coach. And this is some of the pictures of her and we did this for five years she played soccer and this went on for five years Now i watched these kids have the athletic experience in the athletic experience

18:41 To understand the athletic experience, you have to break it down and come up with the elements of the athletic experience. You're a member of a team or group You learn to play the game and become fit enough to play the game. You compete and you acknowledge for your meaningful contribution to the team or group, And you have the positive support and counsel of your teammates... ...and of your coach while you're preparing for competition and while you're competing Now, the problem with the athletic experience is that only the gifted and are highly motivated normally have the athletic experience

19:21 Sure, you've got the little league programs that get around this. But we have more children today in our public schools on riddling than we do in little league soccer and baseball and football combined. Did you know that? The athletic experience... everybody doesn't have the athletic experience And even though I wanted my children to have the athletic experience I wanted it more than, i can tell you... It didn't occur in the first three. Well Mary Ellen came along and one day she wanted to go running with me And we had a nice write up in the Austin American Statesman where she went running with me This was a real nice article that was written by Bob Vanta and Bob Demerich did this photo

20:17 And this is an article that was in the Austin American Statement. She learned to run well, she did good and they had a program at the Austin Independent School District and the first year she finished second overall in girls 11 and under. Well the next year, this is a picture of her running at the finish line on 12 and over. 12 and over she won the girl's competition now if you look there there is nobody within sight of her she ran that year faster than boys 12 and over

21:05 And she got a big charge out of that and then she went to the Junior AAU programs in Austin and Houston, and we took her to the Nationals. She was crushed, she did poorly there And so she came back and we went to work. We were going to run in the nationals the next year, and what she really wanted to do our target in the meantime was a Capital 10,000 race. So the Capital 10,000 race had been run six years by then, and you have 22,000 runners that run. Mary Ellen ran that race and she finished first in her age group

21:52 And she broke the record of her age group and the girl that had the record of an age group, was a scholarship athlete. She broke the record by 3 minutes 50 seconds and ran 1 minute 50 seconds faster than girls 13 to 19 She just destroyed that record on that race. Then she went out to the Texas Relays in her 13th year and ran in the 13-19, and here she is on the winner's stand there you see? So these are experiences I've had... These were experiences I've had

22:40 This was the greatest moment of my life. It empowered me beyond anything I can tell you here and I cannot imagine how much it must have empowered her. So she had, watching the athletic experience occur over and over again Here you have the athletic experience and it changes your life And then you have three children that you want to have the athletic experience and none of them have it. Then in soccer, kickball and cross country running here you have a little girl who has the athletic experience Here's 57 first place trophies and plaques and medals where she had the athletic experience in her 13th year 57 times

23:43 And what you do in the athletic experience, in front of your peers you are acknowledged for doing what you did and awarded these trophies and medals. But not at the Austin Independent School District Now I had time to go back and redefine the three problems that caused children not to give acceptable effort, that I maintain were unsolvable. And in 1983 using three concepts and a premise... ...I came up with the solution that would allow all children to be under the proper load uh..to uh...to be proud of their performance

24:43 and keep them motivated for the 9 to 12 weeks that it takes for real and significant improvement to occur. And using what I understand to be the scientific method, that i had 6 years experience applying...I created a program and tested a program that would uh..that proved the premise that I put forth Here is a letter. Could you read that letter aloud to the people? Don't use this man's name, just this right here. He is the principal of a very prestigious grammar school and a real great guy and I don't want to use his name on air. I gladly endorse your program now entitled The Multi-Winner Maker Game Of Running

25:29 which I understand is an improved version of the program presented on my campus in 1987. Your program has three important arrangements to deal with common problems, places each player under the proper load... That's the first problem, see it solved he said it solved. Places each person under the proper load without overworking some and underworking others number two it makes each player feel good about individual performance 3. It keeps all players motivated long enough for real significant improvement to occur. The arrangements within the program allow each student to find worth and feel a sense of contribution in the program. This feeling is currently significant only to a minority of participants,

26:12 and your program expands this feeling of significance to all participants. I am convinced it will make a positive impact on the lives of all those who participate." Okay, now this was so important to me that I had solved these three problems that I contend prevent children from giving acceptable effort in reading, in math and physical fitness These are the problems in our public schools And I can't communicate that. These are the problems, not lack of money. Now here is a letter from Dr. Glenn Peavey. Now Dr. Peavey was the man in charge of physical fitness for the Texas Education Agency and I worked with Dr. Peavey for about five years

27:17 And Dr. Peavy could not openly endorse my program because he dealt with so many programs, but would you read this? Let me read this... At the Texas Education Agency I was Director of Program of Health and Physical Education in that capacity I worked with teachers and school officials in more than 1,000 school districts across the states and other states These activities allowed me to review hundreds of programs intended to develop physical fitness in students. In my opinion, none of the programs reviewed equaled the running game in its potential for improving fitness of all participants."

28:08 This is the highest authority that I could come up with. This is Dr Garland O'Quinn, he's the greatest physical educator that I know He was a consultant He has doctorates in philosophy and physical education And he is a world class gymnast gives me a stronger endorsement than that. This is an endorsement from Dr. McFann, the man I work for at George Washington University Here's the Texas High School Coaches Association of Eddie Joseph. Eddie Joseph gives me a strong endorsement saying that the program is unique here's a program from Olympic track coaches Terry Crawford and Stan Huntsman

28:59 And they endorsed the program. But you see, this program doesn't cost anything You don't have to buy any computers It just defines a problem and solves the problem And what you do is measure the children You time these children in 100 yards... I mean 200 yards and 1 quarter mile And you sit them down and say look if you finish first You did exactly the same thing that the child that finished last did. You did exactly the same thing! You were told to run the distance as fast as you could and thats what you did Now if you do physical activity, and do it with regularity over an adequate period of time... ...you'll become stronger and be able to run that distance faster. Now your improvement becomes your score which is added to the score of other children in your team

29:56 So you now can be the slowest person and have the same status as the fastest person. Now, the way you do it is you compare one child to another child and against fixed standards... ...and the one that does better destroys the spirit of the ones that don't do as well! The solution is to measure the children assign a goal relative to where they are which to improve and in physical fitness, in reading, in math. When they improve acknowledge them for improving and if you can make them members of teams and when they give acceptable effort

30:35 That's all you ask. If you give acceptable effort, acceptable effort I'll take the time to define it You put other things out of your hands and out of your mind and you devote yourself, you devote your resources toward an attainable goal at a relaxed pace normally about 60 or 70 percent for an agreed amount of time or until the goal is achieved Acceptable effort only requires 100% on test day or in competition So it's a bullet proof program and here are the three concepts and premise, I won't bore you with them but that allowed the program to be defined and tested

31:20 And here is a description of the game. The game to be presented has no losers, everybody plays all players are needed and know they're needed all players play the entire game no skills required no apparatus other than a stopwatch, no special requirements as to speed physical condition and all players have equal status. No facilities other than an oval marked on the ground in a place to run and this is the social psychological and emotional factors which interact and allow each player to have experience like one has who is a first string member in a game of football or basketball are any other team sport

32:06 Now, physical education and sports can save public education but you cannot continue with what you are doing in education today. You must define your problem! You have not defined your problem Your problem is that a large percentage of your children don't give acceptable effort And the three reasons they don't give acceptable effort is the real problem. And you must work from that context, that's what I wanted to say. Okay with that said and done then... What your objective of all this? You've come up with a problem? I've defined the problems, I spent a lifetime solving the problems

32:55 I have created a program at my own expense and my own time. I've written five books, I have tested my program using what i contend is the scientific method and I feel that my conclusions are bulletproof. What I would like is an opportunity to test again my program and develop my program, sharpen my program. I don't want to do what they are doing in public education now They sit down for a few hours and come up with new... we have a new model We have a new model to do something and they just throw it on the students

33:38 In the scientific method, unless you have a significant improvement over the old way to do it. You don't recommend that you change. You don't change until you prove what your going to do and that allows you to increase see? Do you want to take some phone calls? I'm sorry, am I on? Yes sir. Okay how are y'all doing tonight? Good. Mr. Waits... Yes sir! ...I like a lot of what you're saying and I grew up in New York myself My life was personally in shambles before I started playing football for our local Tate school And it was excellent. I had coaches there who gave me a lot of confidence Put a lot of uh..you know Gave me good get go into life because I had a bad personal life so forth You know I had friends of mine who were joining gangs knocking over liquor stores and whatnot

34:36 You know, I'm over here at home. I'm doing my studies you know watching reruns of Dizzy Arnaz, you know... Go ahead. Hello? Lost you! Okay anyway Charlie let me just let me just know so you basically contend that you have a system in place but as you say it's not going to be... Hello?! Yes sir. I think i'm back i think i got cut off there but uh... yeah mister wait i like what you say and i think it's a very important thing atletics can be a lot about life is interesting that uh... this is happening tonight because the no-pass no play rule as being uh... you know under uh... under heat again that we don't have any in new york i didn't have any of that over their what would he take it up personally

35:20 Okay, the no pass no play. That's why I was employed by the Army as an army officer first and then as a civilian through George Washington University They had instilled a form of No Pass No Play in the US Army And it worked like this It was marksmanship! They said they had half the troops that fired their rifles up on line, they were shooting at targets down below and you had people in the targets raising and lowering the target. Now the people that... The commanders set unrealistic goals for the soldiers to accomplish

36:06 And they told those soldiers if everybody in that group didn't make a certain score, they were all going to have to come back and fire that weapon. They're gonna have to re-fire that course until all of them pass that course. Well you had no failures because you had half of them scoring the pits...in the pits and you had half on the line firing and they cheated for each other! This was army wide And so when they went into battle in Korea, a lot of them would just lay in the foxhole and fire up in the air. And it was this form of no pass-no play. If you don't pass this test, you have to come back here and refire this and refire that. That screwed up the whole damn US Army! Just like no pass-no play screwed up the whole damn

37:01 public education in the state of Texas. Okay, now you're starting to get a little worked up Charlie. Well this is the truth. The young man that asked the question I don't much like no pass-no play. Now let's get on with it now. You've had your presentation and established credibility with all your endorsements. were one of the handful of people in this community who stood up against these school bonds that just passed. Well, well the reason I say... 369 million! Okay. It's gonna cost 5 cents a piece. Well they said it was going to cost a nickel and then Willie Kinshorek and the Austin American Statement and Sam & Bob and all the idiots said it's only gonna cost a nickel

37:53 And you have the Austin Independent School District has about 400,000 men women and children within this district and they ended up saying that it was going to cost $38 for someone that had a $100,000 home. Well if you see its gonna take 40 million dollars a year to service that debt for 20 years Yeah...and if you divide four hundred thousand into 40 million, it will be exactly $100 per man and woman and child in the Austin Penn School District. That are within the boundaries! What about the... Which is more than $40 for a $100,000 home. I know this is old news but the fact that people now are going to eat this debt

38:50 Okay, now what kind of a... Now one thing I know you were kinda out in the beat there with Mickey Bentley and some of these fellas. What kind of an operation did you see to pass those bonds? There was token resistance to passing those bonds. What you had on those bonds is that you had the promise that $369 million would solve the problem You ain't gonna solve the problem, folks until you define the problem. Yeah... See? You can't solve it until you defined it Well they won't define the problem They say that education must have more money But what did you say? Did you said there was a lot of people that had a vested interest I would say when you have people who want to cut up When you get people who gets to cut up 369 million dollars

39:46 They'll figure out a way to get that money. Now that's what you're up against. We beat one bond election, we beat one bond election. No, but you see... You don't solve a problem until you define the problem. Well yeah but obviously they are not interested in defining problems They are interested in that slice of the 369 million. That is what your saying right? Do you want to ask me how they do it? Well you said you saw that face. They use three techniques. Okay, let's hear it It is poop pie and do gooding and goodism Poop Pie is folks who say I'm a good person and your not And this how I think it ought to be so it is Now they are relatively harmless Then Do Gooders

40:44 They devote their lives to wiping out cockfights and they eat chicken three times a week. But the real bad ones are good-ismers and goodism is what they use to pass school bonds. That's sandwiches of truth and untruth, expanded and justified, applied by the misinformed at the expense of taxpayers! And goodism is done in the name of Good or God! Now I don't mean to say that you don't need to fix schools... ...I don't mean to say that you don't need to build some more schools

41:21 But to come up with a $369 million dollar package and then turn right around and say, hey we got to have brand new computers. five brand new computers and a printer in every single classroom. First grade, kindergarten, second grade third grade... Every classroom of every grade in the Austin Pennsylvania. But didn't you say they had signs at all the schools? Well they used our tax money To put up these signs, well I've defined it. Somebody else defined it but I want to use it It's called the intimidation factor. The superintendent of schools wants these bonds passed so he calls in the principals of the schools and says that they want these bonds passed So that intimidates the principals

42:15 The principals go back and intimidate the teachers. They say, the superintendent and I want these bonds passed! And then the teacher... intimidates the child and you get the child to come in there, and the child blackmails parents into coming. And they put a polling place in every single school! And put this big sign out there that taxpayers have to pay for telling all of the goodies that their going to get see? Yeah yeah... And then Sam & Bob and uh.. The Austin American Statesman and all the talk shows and radio

42:55 It's only going to cost a nickel. And then Sam and Bob, all of them say it is only going to cost... Well you wait and see if it's not more than a damn nickel when you get your tax bill year after next. See? It might be a nickel next year before they buy the bonds but when they buy the bonds If there are four people in your family It's going to cost at least $400 per year on top, just for that bond package. On top of all that other stuff you're gonna have to pay, see? So then you've got the solution to this thing where the schools are spending so much money See in 1984

43:46 When Ross Perot addressed the legislature on his package that he wanted the implementation of, House Bill 72 they called it. He said that every child in Texas costs taxpayers $2600 a year That's how much it cost to educate a child in Texas was $2,600 dollars a year. And he didn't think that the people were getting their money worth and everybody agreed with him and they passed House Bill 72 So what happened? Last year we spent 6242 dollars per student That just 12 years later see 12 years later It is not 2600 anymore it is 6242

44:47 And that's for every child in every single school room in Texas. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and finish it up Charlie, what do you think? Do you want to take this call real quick? Ok I want to mention folks, Mount Carmel first of all burned down but the little structure where supposedly with some squatters, according to Clive Doyle where there was a couple of little buildings there. It burned down to the ground and we're going to have that footage here in about a minute We were up there at... had the camera up for yesterday and we got some footage of the of the little sheds, the couple old sheds on Mount Carmel that were burned down And we're gonna take a quick break but before that will go this caller You're on air caller! Hello?

45:44 yeah i think it's a uh... that uh... the job back reality after that but what he was on today but up uh... all of you know all these are all this stuff we do need to school we did it all this but forget that for your eyes the biggest percentage of this is just go into the system scam artist and what's scary as the american people those who don't always just got apathetic out i'm not starting to get really really uh... unhappy about it because i think people just don't care anymore they think you know it's almost part of the epidemic and not to care well-thought that's why your taxes are going up if they're these big bikers well lot i think i think that the teachers i think that the principal i think that the people at the texas education agency are probably a helluva lot better than i am

46:32 They are devoted, they work hard and they are caught up in the system just like we are. They're trying to do... They're trying to do the right thing and they don't know what the right thing is. Well how do we change it? How do we fight back against... Let me tell you exactly how you would do it, You would get legislators to pass a bill that says that under no circumstances

47:10 can a child receive, can the school system use more than $5200 per year to educate a child? In other words you come at the top. You limit what they could spend and then you make them conformed to that cap. What they do now is they spend their physical, mental emotional and our financial ability on finding ways to get more money. They have stopped educating and they've... Well, sir I don't agree with you, I agree with big government but i think we're doing a great job the more money we spend the better things get! I support a status government with uh... with status education and I just think that I support Bill Clinton thats all I have to say well bill clinton is doing the best he can and- Well im being sarcastic

48:04 Bill Clinton is a good man. Bill Clinton is just like the... They've got to know, Bill Bush Governor Bush is as good as you get and Bush is trying to do the best he knows how But he doesn't have a plan and he falls victim. He falls victim to the system. Well, that's true. I was talking about Bush

48:56 I was trying to say bush. Okay, let's go ahead and let's take a quick break and Charlie. I hope you had a what? Okay