ABC 20⧸20 Interviews Mike Hanson For Waco 25 Year Anniversary Special [u51Jk3rN3UM]

00:00 Hey folks, this is Mike Hanson. Go to Mike Hanson Archives and here we go! We got ABC News right? Hi! Good morning Mike Hanson! How are you doing? I am really glad to see you! Great welcome to the Davy Crockett. You know i'm a descendant of Davy Crockett right? I think you told me that. Yeah there's the chart right there it starts off with my wife and I and it goes all way over to Davy Crockett's father he was my fifth great-grandpa That's impressive Is this the site too of the Rico Museum? Yes, I got it in the back. Wow! But I don't show it to everybody. I only show it to certain people like you. Thank You Michael for giving me a special privilege. When you told me that you were in a 4,000 square foot facility whether that was old

00:50 Waco Museum or just part of the Waco? Well, we have all our offices here. We have rental property and a maintenance company here and then I got my Davy Crockett stuff over there an old pictures of Gonzales Then we have a little gift shop here too but they collect the rent right here And uh...and we do our maintenance out of here Actually have five companies, very small companies. Nothing like ABC News now. Nothing as big as Alex Jones Productions and Info Awards. I appreciate you making the time on a Sunday. Yes. We didn't want to take you out of church. Oh no! That's not a problem around here

01:32 So I want you to meet Andy, who's my cameraman. And he'll probably just want to take a really quick look at what it looks like so that he knows what equipment to bring in Did you bring me a makeup girl? You're looking pretty good to me now My dad was an amortition ambulance driver back then and he saved a bunch of people He met my mother as a nurse. My mother was a nurse for 50 years But my dad was a big hero and he was on the front page of all the papers in the United States for that. Wow! And like I'll tell you on film, i'm not anti-government. I'm very devoted to my country but the government's what I have a problem with. Well... You know? I wasn't in military. Yeah and my wife was too. My father was and my grandpa fought in World War II This is this is my office

02:23 all the times I ran for office and retired bus driver. Wait, what did you run for? For Commissioner? I ran for Travis County Commissioner, Gonzales City Council, the Mayor of Gonzales, I ran for Constable and I ran for City Council So you were a civic-minded fellow Oh yes! Well that was per Alex Jones told people to do that This is This is the hat. Oh, right. Yeah that's what I wore when we rebuilt the church but you know like i want to tell you that it was just this is the Waco Museum well part of its Waco and part of his Bohemia Grove. You know the Waco parts down over here you know when we rebuilt

03:12 The church here and the newspaper articles and what we think of the ATF, you know that type of stuff. And this guy Richard McCassell he wrote Alex this letter and he ended up going Well, he's somebody from Hollywood and he ended up going into the Bohemian Grove burning it trying to burn it down You know what? The Bohemian Grove is right because I'm gonna give you a book. Okay Yes, that's one of your presents It sure is okay And just take a look at all you have here so you have a lot of photographs Yeah, and the Ku Klux Klan came down here

03:52 You know, at least one third of the people that got killed in Waco were black. And the Ku Klux Klan came down here when we were rebuilding it and we had a shootout with them. They tried to burn our place down. the stretcher we had at the time up down that's about yes they came to Waco all way. Wow I never heard about oh yes yeah the building has bullet holes yeah they shot at us and we shot back i had no idea yeah it was so you know when they try to say that we're racist, anybody fighting in new world order is racist...that's just not true! So trying to see whether get a little more light here

04:37 This part has not got to do with... Well, let me just tell you this. It all goes together because let me just tell you about Moloch Wait a minute, but let me now that I've seen this. Okay, what do is? It all fits together! I know but you know what we always say? What? Save it for the camera. Well, I need to get my boy so he can take a look. It's on our Facebook That part could be cut out about the sacrificing part. I don't know But I think they were sacrificed at Waco and That's what I want to tout

05:20 That shooting down here in 1967 on the UT tower. Oh, the bell tower? Yeah my dad was a hero in that it's a picture of him on the wall there and he's part of the Davy Crockett line I got though The chart my son did that already knew from way back when my son did the DNA to prove it Have you seen the documentary about what about the Tower oh yeah they took all the audio and My dad's in it, my dad is in because he was one of the ones going out there running and grabbing them and pulling them back in. Did you see over here? There's my Dad right here This picture was on the front page of every paper in the United States I found one of the papers at a garage sale Wow! At a garage sale?! Yeah I got it in there can you believe it Amazing Right here

06:18 That's it right there I found that at a garage sale Amazing. Or estate sale, that what is was So let's give Andy just an idea of what we're going to talk about You burn it and we build it is what they were wearing at the time But I want to tie into this because You know, she wants to know what I think about Waco. You know, I just don't think that the Bohemia Grove are sacrificing babies on the altar of Moloch. That's Bushes you know those type people and they're super rich and in the elite

07:02 I don't think they're doing it. They are doing it in the real world and that's what happened at Waco, they sacrificed... I don't want you to tell us too much because we'll do when we're done. All I want to understand is... I wrote a whole book about it Just show me where like generally the places that you wanna talk about Well there all over There's all articles were rebuilt Ok so let me just go through this because I'm just trying absorb That's all Davidians These are the Davidians. No, that's when we snuck in right there. This is Alex Jones' part? That's right there is Davidians. That's all the Waco over there and that area. That's when the Ku Klux Klan came down trying to burn our place down and we had a shootout. I don't know about them

07:46 And so and what is all this stuff here? Just just stuff over the years. Just microphone we use I did actually produced over for Jeff Davis and Alex Jones, I produced over a thousand access TV's For them you know I was his I was Alex look at our first camera That's what we made those first documentaries off of. Look at that camera I got 1994 old cameras, not as good as that now Alex has about 60 people doing the same thing i did back for him you know he's big time now there he is oh yeah that's our younger days that's when we first started on AXS TV

08:31 There's Jeff Davis. But right around, when would that be? This here is mid 90s so that's right there in the 90s and this is just not too long ago I was on his radio show but that would be when you were building the church right here this is one we're building a church right here okay got it and I was a project coordinator sure and that's what Alex confronted the FBI agent on the property and then we confronted the ATF agent right there. On the property? Yes, on the property you can get that clip off my Kansan archives or off the internet just put in Alex Jones confronts FBI agent and it's a good clip too it is good really is

09:20 Man, this is great. Thank you very much for inviting me But I mean I've really had well say for the camera Yeah So here's all understand is there any place that you would like what? I want to do actually it just maybe just bounce a light up here But I don't see the lights so are you gonna talk about anything here or no No, that's just what I've done recently. So here... Yeah. I got arrested for fighting the ATF here in Gonzales they were trying to take our police department over But that has nothing to do with it? That had nothing to do with church rebuilding Okay so that is what I figured you want to bounce something I think you oughta tie the Bohemia Grove into Waco because i think it has a lot to do I found out later it has a lot to do with what happened at Waco You wanna know my opinion? My opinion

10:03 A lot of other people's opinion too. That guy right there that is a Davidian and me confronted him Y'all have to have footage of it somewhere. Because your cameras was there, see ABC News? Right that was a local affiliate right? Oh okay maybe it was I don't know I never can tell But Clive told me he was fine with people coming Oh yeah they're so forgiving but that doesn't mean we have to be

10:44 You know, they killed 82 people. Can you pull that down? Sure. Because I think that's an interesting story. Thank you. How forgiving she is about her whole family was killed by those elements of our government And she, she just I mean they're just like yeah no they're so forgiving. They are just self-forgiving. Oh yeah absolutely. Absolutely use anything you want all right get the word out. But i am going to check with you because i know there's a lot of stuff this is actually not certain. Fair use fair use fair use

11:28 Yes, it's fair use you can use that if you're doing it for a documentary purpose well up to a point Well, you just that's my opinion identify those Yeah, if your if you're using it and talking about it. You can use it Up on Mike's channel I have the first day of the build where they all met in Austin and then drove to Waco. Yeah, I put it on my Facebook where you can get that Well we have very strict rules because we're The Network so basically... Also it is our film But just as long as its your film but some of this I can tell is not maybe not for your film that you are using other sources Well were using news pieces We can only use a certain amount

12:11 I know that Andy's going to tell you to take off your lanyard. So, might as well say... The jangly key lanyard! You know the older i get, I lose my keys so have them around my neck. That's a lot of keys How many rental properties are you in? We take care about 60. Look where this image is, im losing my tripod. But they're not rental properties like your used too at New York. Youngsters Believe it or not What do mean by that? Well their just Plane houses. We go from about $350 to $700 is our range in rentals They're just low-end rentals A lot of them my grandpa built by hand My grandpa was a master carpenter Andy and I are very impressed by these neighborhoods, we drive into this town and were going wow this is like all these beautiful... Oh they got a bunch of it well see this used to be a cattle barren's town before that went broke And then we got oil couple years ago now that's when broke we have about 3,000 people leave towns

13:08 I think he's going to run out. Okay, so what I'm going to do is go through your shirt and get right there. So if you can open up a little section right there. Do you mind if I reach inside? Sure, go ahead. You can stand 100 pounds of weight I'm getting! You know, I used to be very, very slender. Did you notice that? I did! Right there. Who is famous who lives in Lockhart Texas? There's somebody very famous like a politician. My lawyer lives in Millie Thompson She's famous to me because she got me off of three years going to prison

13:56 What's that crazy building in the middle of town? It looks like very exotic, lots of little turrets. Crazy's right up there. That's the courthouse Oh, you mean right up here? No I meant in Lockhart Oh that's the courthouse Wow Yeah Texas has what 259 courthouses like that I think we have 259 counties I might be wrong on that but it's like that I think we have 259 sheriffs How many counties do we have in Texas look it up on your WIDA PD or whatever 250 or something like that I talked to Larry Lynch about this he was a good guy

14:33 But Gonzales is where the come and take it came from. Oh yeah, hold on one second I gotta get that too You've seen people like tea parties using the come and take it flag? That all happened here What do you want about the rebuilding of the church? I actually think its pretty interesting that you had that conflagration with the KKK Well that was just one Today period in the whole seven months. We were up here we had other stuff happen do where people chased Alex around with butcher knives and I mean, it's just it's so much It's all Alex got fired from from his radio show because of

15:19 rebuilding that church too. All of that's on that documentary. Okay, but I'm going to ask you now while we're doing this so i want to ask you about your interest in the church and why you got involved in rebuilding it and some of these incidents that went above? And I wanted to ask you what do you think of Waco I mean it is, from our conversations something of a rallying cry for you. And so I want to know why... Well it was a rallying call but then it become personal when I met all these people and become very good friends with most of them and then it became my agenda to rebuild the church

16:01 It was actually my idea to rebuild the church there and then I touted it to Alex, and he finally went with it. And God used him too... To promote it on his radio show because He's good at that! He is good at promotion. Yes, yes. I'm a behind-the-scenes person. What? Oh yeah! I am a behind-the-scenes person you know like I said I've done over producing, you're not on film. Right You know? I did over a thousand. Alright Okay let me get a drink Okay If you can stay on this side Hey we got drinks We got all kind of drinks if y'all want some Thank you very much We've got all kind of drinks in these two refrigerators All you can drink Thank you Um, see he's talking blah blah blah if your on this side

16:50 Yeah, where do you want us to start? Like I'm going to start with a stable interview. Just asking him stuff and I assume he's gonna start walking around a little bit so where do you want him to start? What optimal place would be... Maybe it'll go deeper in the room if he sort of is in the center That's what I figured So maybe right here or right here Okay let's start right there Unless you have your brain cut off Did you take your drink? Yeah. Okay, do y'all want one no I'm gonna put your drink on the side since we don't want to advertise from a cup along with you brother. All right so you are going to stand... Sorry, I got some ropes here in case i forget something well i mean i'm not professional like y'all are okay pretty great okay i mean okay so you're gonna stand here okay and you wanna be on the right side of this

17:44 And you look at me, I'm talking. And Andy can tell us when we can go! Okay stand by... and we are speeding. I want to stream close-ups now closer or closer? You know what no one will happen We're like this okay good all right so easiest question first yeah give me your name and tell me what you do and where we are I'm Mike Hanson and uh, I've been fighting the New World Order with Jeff Davis and Alex Jones for almost 25 years now since the mid 90s. And you just don't beat the New World Order You know what the new world order is? You just don't beat it! You just kind of back it off a little bit for your grandchildren to live another day That's the way you do it. Your never going to beat these people that we're talking about that murdered these people in Waco

18:46 you'll just back them off a little bit. But my name's Mike Hanson and we have been at it for since the mid 90s, produced for Jeff Davis and Alex Jones at least 1,000 XS TV shows over the last 20 years. And what else did you want to know? I'm going to ask you my first question that was it so You've established what you refer to me as your own private Waco Museum here. Yes Tell me, what's in your Waco Museum? Not everybody gets to see it It is in the back of my building here in Gonzales Texas Let me just stop for a second My questions are never going to be heard Mr., you have been on television so not everybody gets to see the way my Waco museum because nobody knows where it is So tell me about where we are and what is here

19:40 Well, we're in my Waco Museum and my Bohemia Grove Museum because that ties into Waco. And it's just a lot of artifacts and pictures of everything that we've done in the last 25 years about Waco and the Bohemia Grove and the AXIS TV shows that I've produced and all the activism that we've done over the last 25 years to Stave off the New World Order and to kind of make a better country for our children And like I said before, I'm not anti-government. Well, I am anti government but i'm not anti country I'm a veteran my wife's a veteran My dad's a veteran and my grandpa fought in world war two we love this country But we do not love

20:27 what they, the super elite, the secret rulers of the world are doing to this country. And that's what I want to fight. And so Waco has always been a great concern to you Why is Waco, what troubles you about what happened in Waco? Well when I think of Waco. I think murder and cover up because that's exactly what the Clinton crime family and their bosses that they work for Or did in the bushes had something to do with it. I'm sure too because they're part of the Bohemia Grove They they're sitting there sacrificing children and effigy and Worshiping their God which is the devil Moloch? I mean, I have a book I want to give you

21:19 I'll sign it over to you. I wrote a book on Bohemia Grove Alex Jones and I snuck in that place they got footage You can go to the internet Mike Hanson archives on YouTube, and you can watch the footage of what? I'm talking about. I'm just not saying it. I saw it myself So you said when I think okay, why was Waco a murder? Because they are elements of our government took a tank. A tank! You saw it for yourself on TV and went through a church building with men women and children on the other side of that wall some of those bricks

22:00 The children were inside of a concrete room which they called the bunker but it was really where they kept their canned foods. And some of those bricks fell on the children's heads and they died according to the autopsies, that is murder Plus, they had film of the Delta Force or whoever was there shooting the Davidians where they were coming out of fire in the back of the building. That right there is Mike Minolte proved that in his documentary Waco Rules of Engagement and the only ones that came out alive were Clive Doyle and some of the rest of them David Thibodeau In front of the building where the cameras were

22:48 where y'all's cameras were, some of y'all's cameras. And that is the only way they came out alive. The rest of them died and I think it was a clear cover up in murder and you're saying why does this all matter? We got to live our life for the last 25 years but these poor 82 people and even the federal agents didn't leave their lives for the last 25 years. So that's why we rebuilt the church, is for a memorial to the people that died and a statement from us maybe not from the Davidians but a statement from myself Alex Jones and all of 43 states and 2 foreign countries to rebuild this church it's a statement To the government It will never happen again in our lifetime

23:41 Hopefully we can train our grandchildren to have the same attitude and it will never happen again. But I think we did a great job rebuilding the church for The Branch Davidians, and hopefully it stood since 1999-2000 It's been 17 years and it's going to be 25 years since April 19th when I think the murders of people inside of our, elements inside of our government. I'm not saying everybody in our government but elements inside of our government murdered those people Well you have something right behind you that is what you were wearing when you were building the church right? Okay this is what our motto was

24:25 You burn it, we build it. This is a statement to the government and then also we got these new bumper stickers somebody else came up with this since its modern day Davidians lives matter instead of black lives matter and you talk about where was Jesse Jackson in Al Sharpton during this time? At least one third of the people there were black There were all sorts of people there from different foreign countries and this and that. Where were you Jesse Jackson during this time? You know, nothing said that Rodney King was going on during that time. You got all kind of coverage with Rodney King one black man being beat but what about all the black people that were murdered there in Waco Texas? Sheila Martins her whole family was slaughtered there There she is right there you know she's black Her husband was black or her children were black How come Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton didn't say anything about that back then

25:26 You know, the Davidians are very forgiving people but I just can't really forgive what our government did there. You said you're sending a message and that message was in that model? I think so! The government is good about burning things down but patriots like us we rebuild it So... You're not a branch Davidian though, you don't share their beliefs. So what is it that your defending? No I'm not a branch Davidian. Um..I'm more of a Baptist type person so um That's what i grew up as, Baptist It-it's not that I care about their religion I'm mad that they did this in our name They did this in your name

26:13 They murdered those people at Waco in our name as the government since we're supposed to be the government in this country. Why do you think they did that? Why did the government go in? I think it all goes back to the Bohemian Grove just recently, We had the massacre there in Las Vegas with a pyramid behind it. Did y'all notice that there was pyramid Columbine Oklahoma City bombing 911 Waco these people sacrifice to their God, which is the devil Molok there. He is a horned Devil 40-foot stone owl that people like the bushes sacrificed

27:03 on the altar and burn babies in effigy. I don't just think they do it in effigy, I think they do it real life in Waco 911 Columbine The list goes on and on Now we got a new one Las Vegas right infront of a pyramid It goes back to what happened here in Austin Texas On the tower He was shooting off the owl tower The tower looks like an owl, i.e., Moloch." But Mike when we were talking on the phone... I'm not the only one that has those beliefs When we were talking on the phone you told me this was about Second Amendment That you felt that You did no share the Davidians belief but you felt there were Second Amendment issues involved Talk to me about that Well there were second... The ATF went out for a $200 fine

28:00 Why didn't they just get David Koresh while he was jogging down the road or going to one of his businesses? You know, why did the government have to go in there and shoot everything up come in there and shoot everything up. I mean David Koresh was standing at the door saying hey there's men and women children in here And they shot through the door and shot him in his side and his brother-in-law was standing behind him and blew his guts out He died a horrible death That was a male man They ran over everything with tanks, even a government-issued mail truck they ran over. They ran over the trees and all of the cars out there. The government just went out there and destroyed everything. And I was in the Army! You know we're supposed to be their protect American well...they are there too

28:56 The Army's there to break things and kill people, yeah. But the police like the ATF are supposed to be protecting us. And what happened? They got out there and shot everybody up, there were men women and children especially women and children on the second floor and they just riddled that place with bullets Have you seen the blinds and everything else in broken windows of a door How come the door disappeared in the trial There's so many unanswered questions I'm not going to sit here and tell y'all that I know everything but there is a lot documentaries out there that has proved it over the last 20 years And Mike Minolte, Alex Jones, Jeff Davis myself we've all made documentaries to prove these things. And we've had the Branch Davidians on that tell their... The best evidence you have is the surviving Branch Davidians of course some are dead like Katherine Madison she's in my documentary saying that they definitely were shooting out helicopters into David Koresh's room They shot one guy eating a piece of toast on his bed

29:58 But how much is what I'm asking, is how much does the attack have to do with a government attack on the Second Amendment? Because that's what I understood. Well that's also part of it too because ATF was going to get their funding cutted cut severely so the ATF went in there with a show time, they called it show time. They even had people there filming it that they were going to go in and get these people who were selling guns at the gunshow and they were gonna get them and they were gonna get these people of course every day when they went in there everyday we heard on the news something different well David Koresh said he's Jesus

30:38 And David Koresh is molesting children and this and that. David Koresh had guns, most of those guns were being sold at the gun show You can talk to the Branch Davidians about it They were selling those guns at a gun show to make money to run that place That was a 50 room with a church complex. They call it compound, but you know it was really a church and I'm not saying that I would do what they did. I wouldn't want to leader in being a church with or 50 live with fifty other people or 100 other people that's not me but what I'm saying is the government went in there murdered those people under our name and I did not approve of

31:25 You told me on the phone that you felt that it was, you were defending. You and Alex were defending them because its not only attack on them its an attack on you Tell me about that. Absolutely, if they can do it to those people in the middle of nowhere and in the middle of Waco Texas they can come here to Gonzales Texas like they've tried to do recently They can come anywhere and do it to you We have to stand up where we can or these people are going end up sacrificing your grandchildren in the future Where there already doing with vaccines and chemtrails

32:03 everything else they're doing everything they can to kill your family off. Y'all need to really investigate that too. But is it, you know there's always been this tension between the government and federal rule, the federal rules and freedom for them to practice religion, freedom to own guns I mean how do you see that tension? What makes you, what worries you about that tension between the government and your freedoms to protect religion, practice religions as you want. Your freedom is to own the guns you want. How much of a conflict do you see there? Well in this country we have individual liberty is what were supposed to be doing. We're not supposed

32:49 Obama wants and Hillary Clinton wants to be one village and raise your children. We have a right in this country to have individual liberty, And what that comes with is responsibility as long as you're not hurting somebody or Hurting somebody's property should be free to do whatever you want in this country and one of those liberties is to have guns if you want but you can't go out there and kill people like they do So, it comes from responsibility. Freedom comes from responsibility If you don't want responsibility you're going to get a government like ours is heading for underneath all these people like Obama and the Clintons They want to control you not the other way around We should be able to do what we want as long as we don't hurt somebody or hurt somebody's property That's what this country was founded on Not with their touting over here Their touting democracy

33:46 I'm touting a constitutional republic. Do you know the difference? A democracy is three wolves and sheep deciding what's for dinner, a constitutional republic is we protect the minority which is me. I'm not talking about black or white or whatever, minority if somebody wants to have individual liberty like you can't vote that we all wear blue hats on Fridays That's what a constitutional republic is. We, that's why the Constitution for which we stand as wide in there and the pledge but democracy is what Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton Obama says a lot they all say it they also live in a democracy we do not live in a democracy we live in a constitutional Republic that's what they need to be teaching our children grandchildren out there I can say anything that would

34:45 And what happened to those people out there? Yeah, that's a democracy. What happens when you protect the minority which they were the minority at the time because nobody liked them because they were just kooks out there in the middle of nowhere practicing and had a leader and they were kooks okay in a constitutional republic We protect those people we don't kill Do you feel that your rights your freedoms are under attack by the US government They have been for a long time. I think we're... They? What is they? They... Wait, no not they but my question was do you feel that your freedoms are under attack by the US government so the they's of freedoms

35:31 Not only the US government, but the local government. The state government and anybody else that has power over us They're always going to be trying to get more power over us and take our liberty away That's why we are always in a fighting mode Look at all of the wars that we fought And we even fought the Civil War because of it. Because the South thought that the other government was taking our liberties away It all comes down to somebody trying to take power over somebody else, it always comes down to that and with us were always going three steps forward and two steps back with this government and thats just the way it is

36:18 And with these people that I'm talking about, the ones that are secret rulers of the world... You know there's about 13 families that run the whole world. Look it up! It's not Mike Hanson. I just learned a lot from Alex Jones and Jeff Davis and all my research over the years. We even snuck in and caught them doing their little dirty business over here in California. They've been doing that for 135 years So what would you think 50 years ago, if you... Would you let somebody... Let me just ask you this. Would you let somebody babysit your children or walk your dog if you knew that they were in California under the redwood forest worshipping a 40 foot stone owl and burning a baby in effigy? Would you let somebody watch their kid but then again you let them run your government

37:16 So that's all I have to say about that issue. Alex Jones, we all started together on AXS TV way back in the mid 90s and What he he cared about Waco because the Liberty issue I got to know be good friends with all the branch Davidians When they came to the TV shows and I really it was really my agenda To have that place rebuilt and I talked to Clive about it. And Catherine really wanted it Rebuilt she was one of the oldest Branch Davidian's she just recently died a couple years ago

38:01 And I kind of pushed Alex into promoting it on his radio show because he just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and he's good at promotion. And I'm kinda the behind-the-scenes person so my agenda was to have Alex Jones promote rebuilding the church in Waco. That's the dirty secret out there...I really pushed Alex to do it but he really wanted to do it also And that's why you say he did it because of liberty. He did it because he wanted to make the place a memorial to the people that died and he also wanted to put a thumb in the eye of the government also, I'm sure

38:44 Like I did and It was pretty rough out there. We had the Ku Klux Klan come down and Try to burn us out of the and shoot the place up There's bullet holes it still in a church today from the Ku Klux Klan trying to burn the place down we shot back though Not me, but other people that were protecting the place that night shot back So we didn't hear from them anymore. They went back to Illinois or wherever they were from, but... Why did they want to shoot up the church? They wanted to burn it down. Right. They wanted to burn the church down because they didn't want to see the church rebuilt because like I said one third of people there were black so i guess that was their agenda. I don't know but We really think that they also threatened Alex's life right there on the courthouse steps at Waco and its on film you can go to Mike Hanson archives and see it

39:38 And Alex bullhorned them the whole time they were there on the courthouse steps. So it was great, we had a protest against them and some of the branch of Indians even showed up to that. The branch of Indians usually don't get involved in our little new world order events that we're trying to stop their just kind Really, the Branch of Obedience are good-hearted God fearing people and I love them to death. I think they're just the most humblest people around and I think what they did to those people is a tragedy. And I'll go to the memorials every year at the church we rebuilt for him but that's about all that we can do for him anymore you know there

40:28 They've made them, they're just destitute. All of them they've taken off everything from him so all we can do is pray for him. Timothy McVay? Timothy McVey was at Waco. What did he do there? Well he worked for the government. He was a... Who's he? Timothy McVey. On his resume it's right there where he was in the army So, you know on the second anniversary when Oklahoma City happened they tried to blame that on the Branch Davidians at first. And I just don't know why that they would try to do that but the ones we're talking about here...you know that was another sacrifice By the way in that building they had the Waco documents

41:23 That's one of the reasons why that building was blown up. And then at 9-1-1, the Oklahoma City and the Waco documents were in that building, one of the buildings that fell so this government does nothing but murder and coverup. That's what my feelings are on Waco and I still don't think they've been vindicated It came out over the years on hard copy, you know some of that and even some of the mainstream media. That these people were actually murdered and there's been a big cover up And Janet Reno she said right there in the hearings that the tanks were like a good rent car

42:11 She was comparing tanks going through a building with women, children and men on the other side of that wall like a rent car. Well you know she's facing her maker right now You know she died Did you know what she said? She said Donald Trump will never be my president in my lifetime well she died the same day that Donald Trump became President I've never been able to find anywhere that Donald Trump is involved with this part of this cult in our government that is at Bohemia Grove. So, I really think there's a struggle right now between this part of the New World Order and the super elite and the secret rulers of the world and Donald Trump's bunch. I'm not saying Donald Trump's all that but what I am saying there's a struggle going on

42:59 And that's what I like. I just don't like one part of the new world order running our government, at least we got some hope and I hope if you're listening out there Donald Trump that you really are real because he is really trying to fight these pedophiles and everything else in Hollywood and people running our government. There still could be hope for our grandchildren Andy do you have any other questions because then I'm going to just ask Mike to actually give us a little bit of A tour so we have some pictures Just tell me again what pictures he wanted to show my

43:39 Yeah, I mean you know basically because this is your tour in your museum. I would say you know just well This is this is some of the you know when the branch Davidians First got out prison we had a lot of protests so are you starting now? Well, I can't Always going all right 24 hours a day. So it's workable, so if you get under into here it's just kind of bright so... Yeah well you could get close-ups of this couldn't you and then put it uh insert it in there are y'all doing that good kind of editing? Those are real good films Alex sold a lot of those films over the years millions probably and they're on the internet now for free Alex's old bullhorn sold for like 45 000 dollars The one he bullhorned up really? That Ku Klux Klan with Wow

44:31 I have got to get that all over your... You're talking about somebody give you an interview, Alex will give you your interview. Well Mike you did pretty good He's the professional in it! I really am behind-the-scenes person. I did that for 20 years behind these scenes Okay, is he gonna give this to camera to you or what's your yeah? Well I mean I think two camera because it's good We need just a little b-roll to just set it up so um So Mike just don't talk to me talk to Andy and just give us a few highlights like let's say for four highlights from this and Just kind of move through here's this moment. Here's that moment. Here's the alright okay anytime you're ready

45:17 And are you going to talk about this at all? Just because it makes so much sense. I already talked about that, y'all got that on. Alright whenever you're ready sir Well here's a bunch of pictures of my friends the Branch Davidians when they go out of prison most of them they came on our TV shows AXS TV and there's Grandma Edna, there's Sheila There's Catherine Madison Actually, we had a bunch of protests when the people used to think they were bad people. We would get out into the public and showcase them in front of the public and went on the radio with them and everything else and really went on all the media. And we had our own TV shows and we'd bring them on there and try to change the public's mind about really what happened there at Waco because back... You think about it 20 years ago, people thought those people were almost like the devil

46:12 That's the way the media portrayed them. You know, every day they'd come out with something different Oh they were child molesters! Oh they think their Jesus! Oh they did this... They did that! Janet Reno and her bunch would come out with something every single day while that standoff was going on how bad they were So to- The first thing I think we really did for the Branch Davidians when they got out of prison is try to change the image the way that public thought about these people. These people are good, God-fearing people and they're the most humblest people that you would ever meet in your life and I just felt that I had to take up for them because all their families were killed and murdered

46:57 of their fellow church people were killed, and plus I even care about the four agents that were killed. They had families too Even though we think Bill Clinton had something to do with it Some of them are Bill Clinton's ex-bodyguards We think Bill Clinton has something to do with killing them But that's a whole nother story. We had protest after protest, we had Waco protests... Mike just keep moving through this a little bit I mean just a little shorter because here are the pictures of you rebuilding Alex promoted it on the radio

47:37 43 people from 43 states and two foreign countries come to help when Alex plugged it on the radio and other people too. And I was a project coordinator, my job was to get all the materials there for all of the volunteers come rebuild on Sundays. We didn't rebuild on Saturdays because that was their religious day and of course back then I was a lot skinnier and the first day was way over 100 degrees when we were digging those holes, and you know...we went all the way through Christmas and everything else to become colder later. Can you point at some of those pictures over there?

48:16 This one here is Alex standing in front of some of the rubble. The government just took the building and just pushed it in piles, and that was hard to get rid off. We had to clean the property, and we had to rebuild the church, and there was no easy task being out in the middle of nowhere. And we raised over $250,000 dollars to do it with which was a lot of money back then And of course the Ku Klux Klan came to Waco having a rally at the courthouse steps. Alex bullhorned them the whole time that they were there and they threatened Alex's life on film, they said they were going to kill Alex Jones

48:56 And they came out that night and tried to burn down the Branch Davidian new church that we were building. They shot the place up, we shot back I didn't personally but some of the people who were protecting the place did and bullet holes are still there in the church So, um... Mike I think actually we're good. That's a good point. Now if you can just get some of these cutaways and also uh Hey Mike! Can I ask you a couple questions? Yeah Also, we found a bunch of bullets from the standoff there when were digging We found a lot artifacts when we were digging one hole Oh okay Alright You want to have this?

49:43 So, where are we right now? What is this place? Well this is kind of my homemade museum about Waco and Bohemia Grove and all the Patriots that's been fighting the New World Order for 25 years. Whose idea was this? Well, it was mine I had all this stuff and I was going to donate it to a Waco museum So can you say again if its your idea or is it a whole sentence? Well as my idea I was gonna donate all of this Waco stuff to the Branch Davidians for their museum, but I understand that the newspaper took all of their artifacts and has them in storage. And I don't want the stuff in storage...I want people to be able to see what really happened 25 years ago." Who comes here and what do they say about it?

50:32 Well, not many people come in here. I have businesses here and a little gift shop out front but if somebody comes in and says hey that's Mike Hanson, I bring them back here and show them my private museum When you step into this room how do you feel? I feel pretty good that we've really stood up over the last 25 years And we stood up for the Branch Davidians and their families who were murdered Do you love them? What do you think of these people, do you pity them or love them. I don't pity em' I think they're very good God fearing people and i think their very humble and if it was me and they killed my family like that I'd still be mad 25 years later These people are very forgiving for what happened

51:19 And I think the government needs to come out and ask for forgiveness. Over the last couple of years, 20 years or so there's been stuff coming out on the media that Davidians weren't as bad as they made them out to be 25 years ago So just pick one thing in this museum that really means a lot to you Just one image or one thing and tell me about it I think the picture of myself and Katherine Madison and Sheila, you know... People don't know who they are. Well, Katherine Madison was one of the oldest survivors They had her in the Waco movie throwing her hair, her gray hair back with a machine gun at the window which was totally fake in that movie Okay but just back up if you can tell me just so people know who Sheila is Tell me about that picture again

52:09 Well, Catherine Mattis is one of the oldest Branch Davidian survivors and she was in...she's very famous for being in the Waco. The first Waco movie they came out with on TV throwing her hair back or gray hair back and machine gunning the ATF down which was totally, totally came out in a trial totally wrong She had bad eyes she couldn't even shoot that why they didn't prosecute her Sheila Martin Her four children and her husband was Wayne Martin, the one on the 911 tape saying call it off we got men and women and children in here.

52:48 Her husband was like one of the first black lawyers of Harvard, up in some famous law school. So he wasn't just some idiot in there, he was very educated and... What about objects? Is there any particular object that you think kind of tells a story that you want to pick up and show us? Well this one here is my favorite This is one of the first things I I collect it in my Waco collection. It compares what happened in Poland to what happened in America in 1993 and there's just some of the pictures when I first went they you know, they tore their bus up They smashed this old lady's trailer with a tank You know all this has been cleaned up now and if the place is beautiful now again And uh, i'm just really proud that I had a little bit to do with it

53:44 You feel pretty good about it. I really do and if anybody says anything about Mike Hanson That's what I'd like them to remember that we spent seven months out there in the harshest weather hot cold and one of the harshest countries, I mean the Land in Texas out the middle nowhere Rebuilding this church and we really had a good fellowship doing it. I think why did you do it? Oh I did it because we wanted to Sorry, just so people know you rebuilt the church? Well we rebuilt the church because Catherine Madison always had a dream one of the oldest survivors to go back and live there which she never got too because it's very difficult to live out there but we did rebuild the church for her and all the rest of the survivors. But we did it for a couple reasons To have a memorial for the people that died there

54:45 And we did it because we wanted to kind of say, OOF! To the government. Don't ever do it again or we will rebuild That's why we did it and you know they want to rebuild their stuff like when they collapsed the towers over there at 9-1-1 They wanted to rebuild that so We wanted to rebuild church So what else you need? I think we're good. That's great! Yeah, if you can just get some of these cutaways really quickly? We're just a little out of time. Thank You sir. Oh but i want to give you something make sure you get this off my facebook come on over here i'm going to give you this i want to give you a Davy Crockett hat it's Miriam. Muriel. She gets the Davy Crocket Hat from one of the descendants there you go oh my goodness it's fantastic

55:42 Give you a sticker Davidians life matter sticker. I want to give you a come and take it flag You need to do a story on Gonzales, Texas what happened here with the come and take it boy This is the story there And I wanted to get presents you a book. I wish Alex would plug it more I guarantee that but um, yes, I am I really worked hard on this book and It's a really good read and it tells how Alex Jones and I got into the Bohemian Grove. I appreciate it! There you go, thank you right here for our Facebook page. God bless you, thank you and I hope we do a good story