A Conversation With David Icke 1 Hour Interview With Mike Hanson [T5pK38ClsmU]

00:14 Thanks so much for coming on AXS TV. I know it's probably a little bit beneath you, but... Oh come on! Beneath? You're worldwide. No there is no beneath or above. These are all vehicles for getting information out and they they're all equally important. Access TV, a lot of people in Austin Texas watch access TV you'd be surprised You know we have people like Alex Jones and Jeff Kutreras and Chris Athanas on access TV there so people get their start on access TV Yeah I've done a few access TV interviews around America

00:54 And in many ways they are a very important way of getting information out because the mainstream just wants to jump on this stuff. You know, it mustn't tell people the truth and it might affect advertising. Yeah! First of all tell us who David Icke is? Well, I was born in what we call in England a working class family. In a big council estate back in 1952 and I was brought up with a father who was very much a questioner of the system he was in the medical corps during

01:31 and saw that people were used as fodder. He also saw the way that people were living in abject poverty, in the places he went to actually around fantastic riches things like the Roman Catholic Church and what have you and he was very cynical about the whole system of life and the way that people are controlled. So I was kind of brought up in that, I was always very questioning authority. And I became a professional soccer player, that finished with arthritis when I was 21 and I became a journalist. And I was a newspaper journalist then radio and then I became network anchorman for BBC. Then during the 80's I started to realize

02:16 the way the world was controlled was nothing like what we believed it was. That although there appeared to be different sides in politics and what have you, if you went behind-the-scenes that the sides started to disappear into one And then in the late 80s, early 90s I went through a massive transformation within myself and started to see the world in a very different way. And I started a journey which is still going in which there was a trickle of information start with that the world was not like we thought it was and I just followed

02:58 the trickle of information has become a tidal wave now and it's taken me into areas that my goodness me I never thought i'd be going. And, um...I've been to more than 40 countries researching this, I do it full time and uh... The world is very different now when I look through my eyes then it was 13 years ago when I started that's for sure Well you discuss the new world order in all your books tell the people of Austin Texas Hopefully they've heard about the New World Order, but what is the New World Order? Well the whole theme of my books really is what has become known as The New World Order. The code name for in effect let's not hide the fact a global fascist state What you can pick up is a series of bloodlines and a secret society network

03:50 that actually began in the ancient world far, far back. Babylon was one of its major centers which is why as I show in the books there's so many...there's so much Babylonian symbolism all around us because it's the same mentality, the same networks, the same bloodlines are still in control and what they did was expand out of the nearer Middle East into Europe where these bloodlines became the aristocracy and royal families of Europe Thanks to the European empire, particularly the British Empire of course on which they said the sun never set it was so vast. These bloodlines were exported all over the world

04:28 and they ran the colonies, they ran the colonies of what became the United States. And what happened then is that there was a switch from one kind of dictatorship to another and the one they switched to is far more potent form of dictatorship One dictatorship which has finite life is one you can see touch-and-taste It's Hitler's Germany, it's Stalin's Russia. Soviet Union... You know where you stand as apartheid in South Africa and you know who the controllers are, you know your control now because you have a target The human desire for freedom will eventually might take some time we'll eventually rebel against that

05:13 And that's basically what you had when this network was running the colonies of America and other places around the world in its empire. However, the most potent form of control is what I call the prison without the bars. when the colonial powers like the British appeared to pull back and give independence to the United States, and independence of African countries and that stuff is actually they replaced overt dictatorship with covert dictatorship. The covert dictatorship is far more potent because people do not rebel against not being free when they actually believe they are

05:56 It's like they sit there and cook because the water is being heated very slowly. Frog in the pot. Frog in the saucepan, so what happened was that when the British Empire apparently retracted out of the United States they left behind here the bloodline and the secret society network through which the bloodline manipulates itself into power, and they have gone on controlling United States ever since. One of the great myths in the world is that the problems are caused by

06:32 originally in their base form by big bad satanic America. America's been set up by the Illuminati powers, this network in Europe as the foreguy to get people looking over there at Big Bad America it's all America! And therefore people are not turning around and seeing where the real power is The present ludicrous lunatic administration of George Bush may be firing literally bullets but they're loaded in Europe Not by the governments of Europe, but by the center of this web. The secret society web that for historical reasons has been located here. Do you have any names? Well if you look at the major banking families You look at the major families that control transnational corporations. You look at Rothschilds and Rockefellers

07:23 What they've created as they passed through history, expanding their power all the time is a structure of like Russian dolls. One doll inside of bigger doll inside of bigger doll. Their structure is small pyramids inside bigger pyramids inside bigger pyramid until you have a global pyramid that encompasses all the others and if you look at this pyramid structure...look at any organization a business, bank, university and government. They're all structured as pyramids At the top you've got tiny tiny few people who know what the real deal is in that organization What their real motivation is? What their agenda is As you come down the pyramid You meet more and more people in the organizations But as they come down They know less and less of what the organization's really about They only know there little part in it They don't try to manipulate

08:13 uh... a global fascist state that are not only for the family useful to do yes or no people say it's the government gets the free nations is is not is that the vast majority of people in government have no idea but they are daily playing a part in building up just a global present but let's be fair their own prison for their own children also saying that journalists and stuff like that so this on appearance structure What they do is, as you come up it people who are not in the game or not acceptable to this power elite are filtered out. So by the time you get to the peaks of the pyramids in these major organizations

08:56 uh... only those at the best setting the agenda or acceptable to it all that so if people want names just look at the the families and that the people who are running a major corporations that but the major banks who are at the top of the pyramids in government and you're looking at people who are either placement in awareness or placement on the word is that still job for this elite without fully realizing what they're part of. And this This elite, this Illuminati has been expanding its power all the way through these centuries with the idea and motivation of taking the planet over. So if you go from Babylon their headquarters in the ancient world they then moved to Rome and what happened when they headquartered in Rome? We had a Roman Empire we had the creation of the Roman Church

09:50 You then move further through history and although it's still massively influential in Rome, that part of the world. It moved further up into Europe and is centered in places like London particularly Paris and Germany. And that's where, at operational level the bullets are loaded and like I say they get America to shoot them so everyone is looking over there when the power is over here. a simple mathematical equation. If there's a few of you, and in awareness compared with the global population there are not many of these people... You have to centralize decision making because the more points of decision making that are, the more diversity in decision making that is, the less control you're going to have over it. Symbolically its like someone on stage, they spin those plates on sticks

10:47 If you've got loads and loads of plates and sticks all over the stage, you're kind of running around trying to keep them all going. Eventually they're gonna start crashing! What you want... um.. To make it most efficient and easiest for you is one big plate and one big stick You stand there and do that all day So this is why we had this incessant movement of centralization in all areas of our lives. It's not by accident, it's by design because they want to create a situation and in Europe we've already got the European Union which is a centralized fascist body

11:27 which dictates to the countries of Europe, countries that previously were making their own decisions are now having a dictator from central point. And that's one step from the goal which is world government in which a world government would make all the major decisions affecting a country's politics, a country's economy and military capability A world army, which I had a mainstream journalist say to me, what's the good of a world army? There'd be no one to fight. And you know and I thought, you're a mainstream journalist aren't you? Of course! Why a world army? To impose the decisions of the World Government. Hello! You know an intelligent life calling planet Earth

12:10 And then you have the World Central Bank, of course we've got the European Central Bank now in Frankfurt at the centre for Rothschilds throughout history. They want a world currency which would not be physical money it would be an electronic cashless society in which there are fundamental implications for freedom and they want their jewel in the crown on this agenda which is the microchip population Which they're starting in the United States. People are literally taking it, lining up to take it. Yes they are and you know when I and of course many others were writing about this many years ago this was the agenda people were laughing at your face so what we're seeing in the world once you know the agenda which is centralization of global power a global dictatorship and you understand

13:05 And how they bring this about, like this classic method that I call problem-reaction solution where you create the problem. You blame someone else for it. You get the public to see the problem the way you want it and you get the public to say hey something must be done about this or what are you going to do about it? offer the solutions to the problems they've created, which change society in ways that would not be accepted by the public without the initial problem. I just described September 11th, by the way! And so once you know the methods like Problem Reaction Solution, you know the goal which is this centralized state

13:43 the world suddenly goes, whoa I can see it now. You turn on CNN you know criminal news network to turn on ABC bang you can see it happening in front of your eyes and the left in politics has now discovered in the last few years globalization But unfortunately, the left in politics and I'm not left or right. I reject all. It's all a nonsense but the left in politics are what they call themselves and still struggle to see that globalization, which is what? Centralization of global power. It's the agenda unfolding. They struggle to get their heads around the fact that this is not globalization caused by big bad corporations that want bigger and bigger profits and exploit people but it... The corporations are not the end they are a means or a means to an end which is total centralization in parallel areas about lives

14:45 And there was a documentary in Britain by an Australian journalist called John Pilger about globalization, in which he pointed out that a quarter now of the world's economic activity is down to 200 corporations. Now that's basically where the left sees it if you go to the next stage and you realize how this Russian doll, pyramid within pyramid structure works those 200 corporations are actually one corporation. And when you get to that level... You see the world in a totally different way I mean when you've got documents coming to light written for the Bush administration before it was illegally put into power

15:35 which are talking about using Iraq as an excuse to enter the Middle East, that Syria and Iran were targets...were going to be targets. So was North Korea, and they want the democratization of China with American troops playing a part in that. And then since the Bush administration has come to power, that document is unfolded on the news and as I'm speaking to you now, we have the next stage of the Middle Eastern situation being prepared with Powell and Rumsfeld people like that talking about terrorism and what-have-you involving Syria and all this stuff with Iran. They're just setting out the agenda and what they have to do of course Mike is they have

16:17 obscure the real game with the movie. So they'll invent that they're liberating Iraq, they'll invent the fact that Osama Bin Laden was the orchestrator of 9-1-1 for the excuse to go into Afghanistan and all that stuff so That's why I call CNN The Movie Channel And if people want To know what's really going on The mainstream media is not the place to go it's the alternative media. What about davidhyke.com? I bet you have some information on there to share with us... We've got 5,000 web pages there and we have a headlines page that is updated every day and has fantastic amount of information on that basically its there for what im talking about if people watch the mainstream news they're not watching whats happening their watching what the authorities want people to believe its happening

17:11 So what I do on the website and what other people of course do with their websites. with the same motivation is balance that by presenting the information the mainstream won't tell you. And I have to say, even on a basic logical point of view what they don't want us to know clearly makes absolute sense of events that seem unexplainable without the knowledge of the agenda behind them. Well if these people we're talking about are so powerful How are they going to let the internet just continue to expand? Do you think they'll shut that down eventually? Well, I mean if you read this document which was written for the Bush administration before it came into power in September 2000. It talks about these countries which have since been targeted exactly as the document says What it also says is they want control of cyberspace To stop the enemies of America

18:12 getting information out. What they mean is that people who've sussed the game, I want to communicate to others getting information out and what i think about the internet is that there are many many levels of it but first of all it exists because military technology They have not allowed the internet to become what it is unless there was an ulterior motive for them something in it My feelings this There are some very good things about the internet in relation to their agenda First of all, you can get a profile of someone by following their movements through websites and stuff. Email is the easiest form of communication to monitor and so there are some very good things in terms of surveillance but there are some very bad things too that come with that which is websites that I've now getting tremendous hits

19:08 and growing all the time, which are actually exposing the game. And what I think Mike is their agenda is to give the impression first of all as they have it, this is like freedom of information and then start...and they're already doing it. Start to pick off the bad things on the internet in relation to their agenda while keeping the good things which are you know the ability for surveillance and many other points so I think that the internet will definitely be targeted and is being targeted let's be fair we've got a We've got a good server now who is very supportive, but we had to move I think three or four times.

19:52 the server was threatened or challenged or whatever and they said, oh no there's too much trouble. Go go go. Let me ask you one more question about Bush administration and then we'll... I want to move on to some local issues about Austin because there are some people that have read your books here that said you talk about Austin in some of your books about the University of Texas having the tower that looks like the owl Well, I can't say that I'm an expert on what's going on in Austin but Texas is a very important place for the Illuminati. You'll know from your own research the number of times if you follow the trail it comes back to Texas

20:36 You know, the oil industry alone is completely controlled by these people. You've got the Bush family connection to Texas I mean... The Bush family are um... Well actually we don't claim them here No no they claim you Some of us do They claim you but when it comes to the Bush family, you couldn't make up their family history It is so utterly grotesque and Of course, a lot of it's gone on in Texas. Bohemia Grove? Skull and Bones? You talk about that in your books? Yeah the thing is Mike as I research this over the years... ...I have no belief system to defend therefore I go where the information takes me. I don't edit because oh no if I go there my belief system might be challenged so I'm not going there. I go wherever the information takes me

21:32 And so I've gone into some real challenging places and one of the things that staggered me most is that we have this idea that human sacrifice ritual, and the sacrifice of children is like some ancient pagan historical aberration. It's all happened a long time ago Well not only has it going on today...it is going on at a scale that is beyond imagination And it's being performed by some of the most famous people in America and the world. It is being performed, these sacrificial rituals by people like the Bush family, by the royal family of Britain who are steeped in this

22:23 blood ritual because it goes all the way back to Babylon and before that you can pick it up in Babylon quite comfortably so they're performing the same rituals now... You don't have to convince me, I've been there. Alright absolutely! So Bohemian Grove is the most famous of these places but they go on all over the world and Europe are massive center for Satanism How high up is the Bush family in the Illuminati? Well, I think Father George Bush as presidents go is very high in the American hierarchy because most presidents including his son...

23:09 If George W. Bush had a brain cellar with Diablo and it's, you know... So he is not I mean he is an absolute puppet pulled by Cheney his father and what have you But Bush the father is as precedence go pretty high up there because The people with the real power who really orchestrating this they are not going to put themselves on public display where they can be identified They operate in the shadows so The people that make political office, even President of the United States they're nowhere near the top and they're just expendable people. And we have to get over this idea if we are going see what's going on this basic idea that the president runs the country

23:58 The president is a puppet who runs the country on behalf of those that put him there. I mean, I love this thing! Anyone can become President of the United States...I LOVE IT!!! I mean hey, I'm in Crikey, are we on HBO or something? Aren't they right? Comedy Channel! The president doesn't run the country and neither can anyone become president. When you look at the presidents from George Washington to George W Bush, and you go through their genealogy... We have what 280 million people or something like that in America now Look at hundreds of millions more since 7076 and the Declaration of Independence America is also an incredibly diverse people in terms of their genetic history

24:51 If anyone can become President of the United States, clearly the Presidents of the United States from Washington to Bush should reflect increasingly so now this fantastic genetic diversity. When you do their genealogy, the presidents of the United States are no less a royal dynasty than those in Britain and Europe! Because their bloodlines go back to the royal families in aristocracy of Europe which go back down into the nearer Middle East. interbreeding tribe that have just expanded their power over the centuries and now have reached a point because of the centralization where they can make their final play to take the whole place over with this centralized structure. And if people find it hard to believe that people would be in power because of their bloodline or anything like that, well I would just take them on a trip to Buckingham Palace

25:51 We have a head of state in Britain who is only the Queen because of her DNA. Only! If she had a different DNA, she might be cleaning the throne not sitting on it. See how ludicrous it gets? Now, people say oh yeah well that's kings and queens yes because they're bloodline, right? Okay. Well hold on a minute... They call them kings and queens therefore you say oh yes it's bloodline and all that stuff What actually happened is when the people started to rebel against this over in your face dictatorship by royal King and Queen these bloodlines started going

26:35 into other places of power. They went into the new politics, they went into the banking, they went into ownership of business and what have you, ownership of media big one because if you want to sell people a movie, a lie to obscure what's really going on then you need to control major sources of information that people are gonna receive then you can sell on the lie and that's why the media is owned by this Illuminati. So, like I say the presidents of United States are no more or less a royal dynasty than those in Europe and when you look at some things that Burks Peerage, this bible of European royal and aristocratic geneology based in London said how about this? What are the chances of this? This is Burke's Peerage every single presidential election

27:30 from George Washington to George W. Bush has been won by the candidate with the most royal genes. Wow! Every one, bar none not one exception and it's come to the point where if you do the genealogy of the two presidential candidates you can tell which ones gonna win. It is extraordinary why was it that George W. Bush this village idiot attracted record amounts of money for his presidential campaign because he was the chosen one and even though he was such a bad candidate, couldn't even win with that they just rigged thing in Florida and away you went. And now we have an unelected dictator taking America into war and world into war after war I mean you know you could make this up it's so ludicrous and its time really for people

28:27 pulling their punches, to stop sitting on their butts. Stop watching the world pass them by. Stop letting life live them and starting to live life and affect their own reality instead of saying well nothing I can do about it! Get up get on with it things are being done You know when I first started this journey, you're looking at a man who spoke to 8 people in Chicago. How many do you have here in Tyler? Over 500? I have not spoken to anything but a full audience for 18 months anywhere in the world, including places like Japan. So you can do it and there are people who are doing what I'm doing right across America and many around Austin

29:18 Austin's a hotbed for talking about the new world order. He has a lot of hosts there. And so it should be, having Governor Bush all over the place. Not only is Bush an idiot he is actually a very arrogant vicious idiot and that's quite a compelling combination but the fact is you can do things see its a very simple equation here They control by controlling the information that people receive. If we are going to, and we are in the process of dismantling this then alternative information that tells the truth about the movie and exposes it needs to get out there Now everyone has got a mouth

30:11 everyone. And everyone's got a voice box, or virtually everyone and therefore we can articulate and pass this on. And so it is ridiculous to say there is nothing that we can do. We can get onto radio phone-ins on radio shows that don't talk about this and bring those issues into the debate. Radio shows that Clear Channel hadn't bought the radio stations in because they're busy buying all the radio stations in Texas and the United States, I do not know if they are doing it? Well this is one of things they are doing now

30:50 There is a challenge coming here and people are, in increasingly vast numbers are so open to this. I'll tell you what it is... This why its so important to communicate this stuff Is the number of people who come across this information that didn't know existed Do you know, I thought that was going on. I've always thought that but they haven't talked about it and then they realize their friends though like that too but they haven't talked about it either we need to start communicating this and then we'll realize just how many people out there are actually of like mind because they havn't spoken to each other. I support my president and am willing to die for him in my country

31:35 Say you love George Bush. You love him! Alright, smart kid. You can read it, can't you? But you won't say it! I love George Bush! That's fine! And number 41! What about Clinton? Bush Jr. is like Clinton on steroids, they're confiscating the guns There you go! Do a jig for Bush You wouldn't believe the people I run into They are out there now saying we love Bush he's our hero and they just cannot see through they love bush and he's our hero it turned around from hating Clinton to loving Bush

32:12 How it works is this, and I've got to be honest here. There is a part of the mentality of quite a lot of Americans that can be activated by what I call the John Wayne mentality John Wayne was a kind of symbol of how they wanted to be, you know. The cavalry coming over the horizon and here's John, big go get him John or catch him hell I will all that stuff and what the Bush administration does and how he conducts himself because i'm sure he thinks he is bloody John Wayne They activate that

33:00 part of the psyche of many Americans, particularly American men and all that stuff, macho man. That start to see the world in this black and white terms of good and bad we are for freedom liberating people and that makes it feel good. Gives them a kind of power, yes we're good guys, yeah we'll sell you that egg, we're strong, tough egg but what I do find is More and more Americans are rejecting that simplistic, ludicrous vision of life. But of course there's still large numbers who do see it like that and the people that do... Bush would be a hero! Because he walks like John Wayne doesn't he? He gets off that bloody helicopter walks across the lawn I was thinking

33:52 looks like he needs the bathroom, I was a bit late. I always get that feeling you know, did you miss the bathroom Jordan? So he does exude that just as Reagan, Reagan was someone who played to the heart strings of the American dream emotionally on another level. And I mean this guy was another guy who just about knew how to tie his shoelaces, but because in his B-movie actor manner he was able to articulate this American dream kind of deal and it pulled people towards him

34:32 And what Bush is doing, he's playing that John Wayne character really. It does have an effect but only for a while because the consequences that are coming of this whole agenda for America are absolutely horrendous. First of all, it's going to destroy the economy. Well doesn't freedom start here in America because we're now seeing on our streets and we had a video this police wearing black ski masks no name tags combat boots ninja suits Y'all are not supposed to be wearing black ski masks you're not supposed to cover your identity This is for the record What is your name for the record sir? You're covering your identity like a criminal! You are not supposed to be

35:22 Covering your... I'm sure they are. Oh, oh! I gotta get that. Oh that is perfect What is your name sir? You're covering your identity too. Nobody else is on the sidewalk around here Are you playing favorites

36:09 What is your name for the record, sir? If you're going to tell me an order you need to give a name and badge number. They are wearing black ski masks. Black ski masks! They are covering their identity I don't like it You're not supposed be covering your identity up! You're not supposed be covering your identity up! Hey!

36:45 Doesn't freedom start here in America because we're now seeing on our streets, and we have video of this. Police wearing black ski masks no name tags combat boots ninja suits I mean it's all the police state is coming down they had the Patriot one the Patriot two Coming down that Bush Bush is hopefully not going to sign too but I mean Does freedom start with America or are we trying to get everybody else free? How does that work? I think America was set up to be a vehicle for this agenda to manifest globally.

37:29 Ironically, while Bush is articulating about freeing other countries and liberating other countries. While this is going on the liberation of America is being destroyed by the day. Now I am suspect that any country which has to tell its people over and over again, this is the land of the free. If it was the land of the free it should be patently obvious and what happens Mike I found this with people that I've met over the years Is that when they're not touched by directly they kind of detach from it Oh no! This is the land of the free And then something happens in their lives and suddenly they realize Hey

38:19 this is a fascist state, this is the police state. And so to large extent a lot of people are only going to wake up when they're faced in their own experience with the reality what's going on because what happens with these authoritarian states is that as long as the people abide by the rules the people are basically left alone. Once they don't abide by the rules, then they're jumped upon and if you take the example of troops when troops play by the rules and they do as they told and go out and blow people away in Iraq or wherever They're fine! They're heroes, great heroes just breathe When they come home

39:14 with Gulf War Syndrome. Suddenly, they're not playing by the rules! Hey you're complaining about this, you're causing us a problem here and suddenly they are not heroes anymore... And this is the way the system works, the carrot and stick. People are going to realize more and more as this fascist state closes in, its police state closes in, more people will be affected directly by it's imposition. It's gonna have the ironic effect of waking more and more people up to this. And I think that's already happening, because more and more people are being affected by this imposition that is unfolding by the day. What has happened since 9-11 is

39:58 a strong extraordinary that people can stand by and watch that happen and I think it's okay but what is it problem reaction solution hey they've got to do this to save us from the terrorists no if you want me safe in the terrorist go knock on the door of the White House telling us stop you know. And so we are in a situation now, a fork in the road where we have we do have the choice of going one way bringing true freedom to our experience. Or going the other way, not very long down that road we're gonna live in a global fascist state absolutely certain because that's the agenda and it is unfolding in front of our eyes We are so grateful you gave us this time on AXS TV in Austin Texas Before we go, we had some questions that came from people in Austin Steve what were some of those questions they wanted you to answer? Do you have time just to answer just a few questions

40:56 what was your impressions of the Columbia and what happened there? I've not researched that enough. Someone has shown me in the last few days a picture they say they got from the CIA which apparently has laser beams going up to it as it exploded but you know, I don't talk about things I have not researched however when When you look at the symbolism of the Illuminati and their obsession with symbolism, the fact that it was called the Columbia can be very significant because just very quickly talking about the symbolism back in Babylon they worshipped a trinity of Nimrod the father Ninos Tamos the son and the third point of the Babylonian Trinity was a female called Queen Semiramis

41:53 they used to symbolize Queen Semiramis as a dove. When they moved their headquarters from Babylon to Rome, they used to worship Queen Semiramis there under the name Venus The Dove and Venus The Dove was pronounced Venus Columba, columba meaning dove. French for dove even today is columba so when a guy called Colon crossed the Atlantic to discover the Americas. They call history is called in Columbus, Columbus, Columbus, Semiramis and when you look at the way that the Babylonians symbolize Quintimiramis it is a mirror of the Statue of Liberty

42:44 And the Statue of Liberty was given to New York by French Freemasons in Paris who knew what it really symbolized, which was the Babylonian goddess. And what is she holding? She's holding a lighted torch – the classic symbol of the Illuminati, the illuminating ones. Now as these bloodlines moved up through uh... europe as i talked about earlier they went massively through france and sent it in france to a very large extent um... and therefore if you look at the symbol of the french republic that what they call the goddess of the french republic which you can see all over paris it's another mirror of queen samiramis, the babylonian goddess because we're talking the same group and on a

43:29 an island in the River Seine, in Paris just down from the Eiffel Tower and the Pont d'Amour tunnel where they killed Diana is a mirror image. It's extraordinary when you stand there on the side of the river I was there a few months ago A mirror image of the Statue of Liberty in the middle of the River Seine Why? Because that is their image of the Babylonian goddess And in New York you've got The American image of the Babylonian goddess What they do is work with reverse symbolism. So if something in mainstream society is white, it will be black...they'll portray it as black and if its black they'll portray it as white so what you have is classic reverse symbolism in New York Harbor because Americans understandably think that's the symbol of the land of the free when actually it's the reverse of that, it's the symbol of people controlling the prison

44:21 this whole Babylonian thing is extremely important to them in their symbolism and it's all around us. What was the other question? The UT Tower is an obelisk in Austin Charles Whitman, I believe in 1966 killed many people there. The tower was designed by an architect from Rice University in Houston and their motto is the rice owls After the Whitman shooting the LA Police Department started SWAT and then in 1968 we had the gun laws in the United States where we lost most of the gun freedom. I was wondering, do you think that Charles Whitman was a typical problem reaction solution for not only getting SWAT but

45:11 creating the gun laws of 68. Are you familiar with the shooting? Well, I can't talk about that in detail having not researched it but the principle is exactly the way they play it for instance In Britain we had this guy called Thomas Hamilton who was a clearly programmed being who was a Freemason in Scotland, and there's a massive scandal to come out about this. Who went into a school in Dunblane if you remember and blew away a school hall full of kids Now what has come out since are his connections In terms of child sex To some very famous people in Britain

46:04 So, clearly the man who did the deed with the gun in that school was a connected person to this elite. What happened as a result of that? We had very significant changes in gun laws in Britain If you look at the, and I've studied this whole mind control thing to a very large extent. I talked to many of these people who are recovering from government mind control and it is absolutely massive. And what they do is they

46:41 they program them to have different little compartments of the mind and each compartment thinks it's the whole mind. And they just program those compartments, and then they move around that will give what we call a front altar which is the personality that people think is there as they interact with daily life but behind in subconscious are all these programmed amnesic barriers which they bring forward like Manchurian candidates the classic expression of this, to the front of the mind and at that point that person's front personality is now pushed back and this programed personality is there and it carries out the programming. Now when you look at the background to these kids who go crazy with guns like in Columbine, Columbia, Semiramis all symbolism! These are clearly programmed kids

47:39 who are programmed to carry out these acts which create an animosity, which create a fear, which create more gun laws. And I'm not...I'm frankly not into guns either. I own a gun and I don't use guns. I am not interested in guns. I don't like guns or that stuff but if we're going to be streetwise A lot of people say, oh we must get rid of guns they're dangerous. Well I can understand that but hold on take a deep breath just look at it from the bigger picture why do these guys actually suddenly want rid of them all? Why because if you wanna control the people then if they are unarmed or as much unarmed as you can clearly there are gonna be a lot less trouble when you go in with your literally an army to take over than they are otherwise

48:31 So for me that's what these gun laws are really about and I must say, I can only say what I think. I frankly personally wouldn't trust Charlton Heston to tell me the time personally and I think people that are opposing these changes in gun laws and stuff should keep their eye on Charlton Heston. She had another question. I have one question, the programming of altars can it only be done with children or is it possible to do this with a 50 year old functioning adult? It's possible to do it because what they use now is much more sophisticated technology, but it is much more difficult. What they want ideally are children before the age of five and six because then the brain isn't fully formed and things aren't absolutely in place so basically they rewire their mind and its much easier with a child

49:36 There is a mechanism in the mind which shuts out the memory of extreme trauma. This is what comes in when you have a really bad road accident and people can't remember, the immediate run-up to the accident, the accident's immediate aftermath... That's a good thing because the mind shuts out this horrible memory which they don't want the conscious mind keep reliving What they realized is that this mechanism could be used to turn the minds of people, children starting with children into a honeycomb of these self-contained amnesic barriers shutting out trauma. But to do that they have to put the children through absolute horrendous trauma I mean...I've talked to some of these people

50:23 many of these people around the world who were programmed in this way as children and of course they start as children, yeah but they keep it going. And what...they're forced to watch animals being sacrificed they're forced to watch children being sacrificed They are drugged so that they do horrendous things under the drug it's video'd and then they play the video back and say see? See what you've done? We'll tell the police if you do what we say. This is what they're doing to kids, right? And what it does is every time a child undergoes this trauma... ...it, what they call dissociates It shuts it out and puts this amnesic barrier around it and this creates the honeycomb of amnesic barriers which they then program One thing that they do is they program assassination codes How many times has someone in the Illuminati been taken out actually taken out by a lone nutter

51:20 Who are these kids that go around shooting people in Columbine and get changes in society as a result? They're people who've gone through this programming. But the other thing they use these people for, don't they George E Bush the father is to allow very famous people to have sex with them And what happens is they activate part of their mind an alter So, the famous people or person has sex with a child and then they push that altar back bring the front altar forward the base personality. And this personality has not experienced being sexually abused by Father George Bush or whoever therefore it has no memory of it! And so this is going on all the time It's going on in the millions in America alone never mind Europe

52:16 And one of the people that was really at the heart of developing this was Joseph Mengele, who developed this technique in the concentration camps where they had endless people to experiment on. And then, of course he wasn't caught after the war. Hey! Just like Osama Bin Laden and he was actually brought to America and South America He worked in both places To carry on and introduce this process of mind control in America This infamous mind control operation of CIA which actually came to light in public NK Ultra One of the key people behind that was Joseph Mengele

53:01 And one of the places he used to work out was the China Lake Naval Weapons Center in California. So what I understand as we go through the years is that they're perfecting these techniques all the time so that more and more, they are able mind control people electronically through technology which would, to come around to your question again would make it more easy easier to mind control older people with this technology rather than having to go through this process they have before starting with children. Oh by the way just a quick point talking about mind control what is my control? Mind control is someone getting you to behave the way they want you too right

53:50 Under that definition, 99.999% of people of the world are experiencing minute by minute mind control Anyone who believes that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9-1-1 is mind controlled because they're believing something that's not true but what the people programming them through the media want them to believe I can understand how you do that Will Thomas out of British Columbia put up quite a bit about chemtrails and he showed where they were doing it in England and all over the world. We've got a bunch of pictures here what they have been doing in Austin, I was wondering if you could... You write alot about frequency in your book

54:40 Supposedly the thing they're doing is using frequency and advanced Tesla technology things to control the weather and all this other stuff. I was just wondering if you could comment on the chemtrail epidemic, if you know anything about it? Well in terms of controlling the weather everything is a frequency in the world that we live in. Everything's a frequency. Rain's a frequency Therefore, if you can generate that frequency you're going to generate its physical manifestation. Now when Native Americans used to do their rain dance and all that stuff and the shaman and people who used to do this stuff, the rituals making rain basically what they were doing was playing with this frequency to make it rain. That's what they were doing! That's what these people are doing is all frequency so they can now do it with technology

55:30 and they can cause tremendous problems by manipulating the weather in certain areas. I must say that, in terms of chemtrails...I've been to over 40 countries with my research and I have seen these things everywhere! It seems that they possibly contain some kind of chemical or combination of chemicals which are affecting people physically because see one of the points to make is that the human entity is an incredibly powerful something incredibly powerful to control and so we have to be hit for them do that on every level. And what you find when you start look at these pyramids, now all the pyramids go into the same pyramid peak The companies

56:24 provide the medical drugs are controlled by the same people that put the additives in food. The same people that come up with things like aspartame, which is a mind suppressant and who was the man who brought aspartame to the world? Donald Rumsfeld, the present defense secretary who was hired by Searle Pharmaceuticals contacts in the Reagan-Bush administration to force through the Food and Drug Administration approval for aspartame when all the independent data was saying it should never ever be used. Aspartame is a mind suppressant, it was brought in soft drinks to start with always a sugar substitute, its 200 times greater than sugar, sweeter than sugar and now it's in almost all foods! What is there for?

57:23 So, then you have the banking system which is to control and pressure people through money. And so all these different things... Then you have all the mind things and the electromagnetic things that affect us electromagnetically All of these things are thrown at us – and chemtrails are one of them – To hold us in this servitude Now that says something It says how powerful we are. And it's symbolically, we're like a ball floating on a tank of water if you want to hold that ball down at the bottom of the water You have to put it down and you have to hold it there. You have to hold it there because the moment you let the ball go WHOOM! Its natural state is on top of the water Our natural state is genius

58:15 and to hold us out of that state, to hold us in this servitude. Sheep-like mentality. They have to hit us at every single level of our being, physically, chemically, electromagnetically through the mind all that stuff through the emotions and this is just one expression of that but what the chemicals are actually designed to do I don't know but the fact that this is going on all over the world is beyond question He's running out of time. You had one more question on the Pink Floyd thing, what was that about? I don't know maybe a silly question whether you knew Roger Waters or David Gilmore and whether you thought they might be Tavistock trained? Don't know, what i will say is this

59:07 The music industry is extremely important to the Illuminati, like the movie industry is. Because it affects us so much in terms of our minds... What is music? It's very clearly vibration and so this is why some music breaks with us, and some we feel good about. And so through music they can affect us vibrationally, and they're doing so all the time. I tell you what it's kind of funny... The more that I talk to people who have been involved in mind control operations, people who have been programmed or what-have-you

59:51 the names that they reel off of people who either helped to program them or were themselves programmed. It's like, basically it's like a roll call for the Oscars you know? And when you think about it if they are able to move you between personalities what better state to be a great actor or actress than they can do that and so a lot of these very very famous people are actually either programmers or are themselves programmed and it's the same throughout the music industry. And one of the major areas that comes up again and again in the reports to these people is the country music industry, in America. I mean, what a den that is! In terms of this whole deal we've been talking about Satanism and mind control

1:00:51 So yeah, and then you start looking who controls the music industry. Was it right that Carlisle Group? George Orwell & Co.? It's just called Universal. Of course! Makes absolute bloody sense And what they do again this is those that are coming from a point of view in music or in movies where they wish to express something positive or tell the truth or what have you They're filtered out Oh no, I don't think we'll go with that contract. I don't think we'll go with that group. I don't think we'll go with that movie and this is how it's done you know? It's so simple if you control the top of the pyramid then you control what happens below the pyramid until we wake up and start rebelling which we're beginning to do thank goodness David Ike if its been a pleasure Pleasure in time! I want to thanks Sue Ann, Jimmy Gardner, Mason & Steve Blaha for filming this and will be on Axis TV

1:01:49 Can you just tell us real quick how many books you have out and what the names of them are? Oh, I've got quite a few. My latest one is Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster, Wiley Fish Historic Land, and one is Monumental Lie, three year old that takes apart 500 pages. One's called Children of the Matrix. One's called Bigger Secret which I have there. Another one is called Other Truths You're Saying Free, another one is called I Am Me and the other one is I am Free... There are ones really that I've done in more recent times but it's a progression of story each of them is part of the story you put them all together you get the picture but its very encouraging

1:02:32 For me, having walked this road as I'm sure we all have years ago when no one wanted to know to see that the awakening is with us and I'm hoping someone suggested it, they may put a talk out for me in Austin this year which would be great. We hope so! DavidIke.com is the website? That's the one And one more thing if you want to look at this camera and tell Austin Texas Travis County anything you want to tell on David Ike we'll wrap it up Over that one what can I say well first of all I am not a guru sitting on a mountain cross like saying I have all the answers What I will say is this, it's something that I've learned about myself.

1:03:12 We all have this idea that we are ordinary men and women in the street, and we've got no power. That's exactly what the game wants us to believe. People who think they're ordinary live ordinary lives. People who think they have no power live powerless lives neither because they are ordinary or powerless but because they believe they are And what this whole deal is indoctrinating and conditioning into people a sense of limitation a sense of powerlessness, the sense that you can do nothing because with that mentality we are a party trick for these guys to control and manipulate. More and more people however start to realize as I have on my journey that I'm not ordinary and I am no powerless, actually I am all powerful and I am unique and I can control my reality

1:04:08 I can dictate what happens in my life because I'm actually in control of it. What we've done is we've allowed this condition, reality of ordinariness and powerlessness to dictate our sense of what we can do...to dictate the sense what we can manifest in our lives when, um...in fact we are completely in control of our lives. We've just given that power away the only power these people have over us is the power we give to them if George Bush makes a statement and says we had a discussion this is what we decided to do and people say no we're not where's George Bushs' power? nowhere he hasn't got any power except that which we give him

1:04:55 make a difference in the world and change these things we don't like, we need to take our power back. And that means starting with ourselves and realizing we have power in the first place – the power to dictate our own destiny, the power not to have to do what other people tell us we should do, not to think the way people tell us that we should think, not to keep our mouths shut or heads down because we're worried about what other people think Who cares what they think? They have a right to think what they like, but so do we. And the more people that start speaking out and expressing this uniqueness that we have instead of being a clone of the system, the more the system will start to disintegrate because it depends on clones and its terrifying

1:05:39 of people expressing their uniqueness and expressing what they really believe, and living the lives they really want to live. Because that breaks up the uniformity that holds this whole deal together Be yourself Change yourself And you change the world because you are the world and the world is us That's where I found it Thank You David Eich We'll see you next time Austin Texas Thanks and God Bless