4 19 1998 Mt Carmel Waco Trip Raw Footage, Jeff Davis⧸Alex Jones(Before Church Was Rebuilt 1999) [fQc1mdqCT9s]

00:00 I love Mike Hanson Archives. the murder of children. We were just reading The Austro-American Statesman, it never talks about the children it talks about David Koresh being some sort of cult leader Of course the media doesn't want to discuss Waco rules of engagement and I was surprised that it was nominated for an Academy Award but of course he didn't win we're coming out here to help keep the memory alive

00:39 the butchery, the murder. Because Bill Clinton was insecure and wanted to flex his muscles and the BATF wanted more funding they wanted to raise the American people's consciousness about cults out of control organizations of this nature So they surrounded the place, opened fire with helicopters and then 51 days later set it on fire. Sent hit teams inside and murdered the people Those that tried to escape were machine gunned from outside Only a couple of people got out alive That's because they came out the front where they had cameras. We're fixing to show you everything out there and get a lot of important interviews This is the Freedom Report. If we can get across to these guys that the New World Order is not a pie in the sky, it's just people...

01:30 They're going to be the ones that want you to go. If nothing else, like I told Wes, if nothing else they can see that this is our web home and we don't trade ideas and it's a lot of that. It's not us going there having some... I told Wes, even if we agree to disagree that's the worst thing that will come out of it. Well i think we don't want to get in there with a confrontational attitude No and im not going to allow that either. I dont mind them being asked tough questions. Party for your right to fight ya'll! The Beastie Boys had it backwards Chuck D figured it out

02:15 I'm going to assume that I'm going to sit around for five minutes. This is Grove, he's stalking me. Right on the left there. The mag bag that's... well if you know anything about the raid on Branch Davidians? Not a lot.

03:03 Supposedly they had a bunch of guns here, which it was an empty building. They decided to bulldoze that. I try to stay away from that long running stuff. I've got bits and pieces over there. Most people are just really involved in the battle. So is that part of the compound? No, no. Actually it wasn't a compound it was really a church. That's what the media decided to call it. Looks like a lot of good fishing! No, that was just a storage facility they had. And they decided to ram one of their vehicles through it.

03:57 I'm going to put it right there. See the burn off? It dropped. As you can see. Yeah, just pull up

04:37 That's Wylie. Tell Wylie where she wants us to. Let me let her know we're here. Okay, let this arrow... Whoa! What the whoop was that? Each of us has a responsibility because you're here. You live in this country and you live here now, you have a responsibility

05:37 And you can choose to ignore that. Then on the other hand, everybody can go out and make a movie I didn't think i could. I hope that stands as some example to me You can do crazy wild things folks Good things but nevertheless things you wouldn't expect of yourself So it seems one of the byproducts of what happened here is we have an opportunity to be greater than what we might otherwise have been I know there's certain of you that have come here for the first time in five years. Has it been too painful? Good deal. He was, and his goon squad follow us or...I don't know what to call them. Jack Booty Tux! Jack Booty Tux is what they were and what they are. So this is the road we drove down.

06:50 Can you do basically the same statement you gave to the radio guy about your trees and everything over here? A little bit of what you did over there. That's my husband, he's gonna get y'all access I do now Yes, I moved here Thursday And have been living here since Will you continue to live in here?

07:27 God willing, I've been threatened a great deal. I haven't been actually harmed but uh...I had uh...a 20 foot dog chain folded up and hid on the ground right next to me and the guy who did that said he was coming back that night to beat him as soon as it was done. He's the man Andrew, the guy who is in control of this property. I believe he was taking a government paycheck. He is the chief suspect In the arson of this building, this building and this building which took place on January 1st 1997 That was the first government attempt to get me off his property And then he was seen by two witnesses carrying down the pavilion

08:08 that replaced the museums, which is why I'm hanging in a tree here. Anyway this is the story of all the harassment that I've put up with for coming out here and cracking the cover there That's not here now you can see on the ground where it was arson Now Clive Doyle brought his group in here He put this man on the property when Tom Drake left here in February And they tort, out of 77 acres the only place Clive could think of to build was on this side of this pavilion.

08:46 Was that necessary? I don't think so. Not with 77 acres, he could have built anywhere here but it's been an effort to stifle what i have to say here because because I talk about the persecution of the rodents which David Koresh was part of and uh... The government is happier to have him here saying Well, we didn't do anything. Okay? And we were innocent and they just came and jumped our case Then they are to have me saying here saying the government stole help steal the property in 1966

09:31 They forced the rodents to repurchase it in 73. They gave it to David Koresh on a claim that involved six members of a defunct executive council, in 1988... Well they confirmed it 1989 by summary judgment which wasn't appropriate because summary judgment denies jury and is only supposed be used when there's no facts in controversy I mean, I'm telling the whole story what the government has done here to this church for 30 years. And Clive Doyle stands up there and says, we didn't do anything and it came out of nowhere. Okay? Which they're a hell of lot happier if I weren't here doing this they'd probably be suppressing Clive Doyle too but they're a hell of lot happier with what he has to say than with me standing here and saying the government set the fire in the place where they set the fire which is right there The first fire and the infrared tapes show it all

10:32 was outside the compound when they set it. And Koresh could not have, Koresh's people could not have set the fire. The government obviously set the first fire And they would just rather... The reason I'm being so persecuted here, and I think it's from the government. I mean, I've seen undercover feds here come and go and my God they always join Clive's group and they always give me one hell of a hard time. And they don't do anything for Clive Doyle except give ME a hard time! Okay? An' I'm just tired o' it, I'm passin' out free literature over it. I just have had as much as I can take off havin' to rebuild out here. And you've been here since the first one?

11:08 Well, I lived on this property from August of 93 to June or July of 97 at which point Tom Drake took it over and I went to Florida and wrote. And Tom Drake quit in February this year and I came back the end of March and discovered that they had taken over the property, and they had to grab my place. Because it's just typical of the attempts to silence me Like I said to somebody yesterday if they keep trying to silence me They're going to give me a helluva lot of credibility because they burned me out They've torn me down They locked me up back in 94

11:46 And I've had it. I'm tired of this! I want the word out that the government was messing with this church for 40 years, not they suddenly came out of the blue and fell on David Koresh. When did David Koresh? David Koresh joined the church in 70... This was the front of the building. This was the front of the building evidence believes stolen by government

13:45 There's various things written on them, written around here. It is believed stolen by government old vault interior bunker tunnel from small underground rooms to original location of buried bus both were sites of incendiary device explosions evidence stolen via court order, 9000 cubic feet of dirt and contents. Metal front door riddled with incoming rounds ATF fired on Koresh as he met them at the door and the water tower. We saw this bus over here and we probably wondered what it is. The radio station down there also says that they have a... ...a false radio station down there looking to gather the bus and run a bunch of this. It's my own government

14:58 What a god awful thing for man of non-violence to have to say. But that was a long, long time ago. He couldn't have dreamed the violence that independently targeted maneuverable... You see what a struggle we had. How are we doing? See, y'all made it. We got sunshine today. Sure is a beautiful day. Yeah I didn't know what happened to you. We've got a little bit of late start right now but we'll pick it up

15:34 Oh, that's good deal. We all got here anyway. My sister is a chemical analysis so what would this be? This would be the hallway leading to Jim Let's see that is north, just south of church. That would be southeast of Church. Collected 41998 and Texas my witness! This stuff is really strange look how hard it is. See how hard it is? Going into the envelope

16:39 being sealed up and I have permission from the lady under the tree who is with the Rohens, the original founders of the church. Now let's step back this way ladies and gentlemen. There you go! The carton dropper... there is a blue one back here that I want to get a piece off. Okay Alright lets try this one okay This is the black stuff Alright, now we're gonna go into the gym here and there's some blue stuff. If I can find it again. Spot over there... Blue... I don't know, looks more like little paint fiber or something there but that looks like a piece of it. I'm going to come get a piece of this one.

17:44 Okay, here we are. We are in the gym area and I'm going to try to get a piece of this. There was a piece of it loose before. Mr. Alex is probably gonna kill me for doing this to his pen! There one little blue piece going into the southwestern bell envelope I gotta fold this one up a couple times because it's got a big hole in it. It is down there, isn't it? Yes, it's right there. Roll this baby up

18:24 Seal it and Aunt Sid you better do this thing for me. Okay, so blue stuff from the gym blue stuff Gym area collected or 1998 and as Tex as my witness My sister Hopefully we'll find something The casual tourist strikes again. I'll let her know that i got this and get her to say something, put her initials or something on it.

19:46 I've been an FM radio host for about 16 months, and had a TV show for about 3 years. All I do is bring guests and information, try to expose what's happening. And it really is incredible what's happening in this country but you can see the backlash You can see more and more people becoming conscious of the police state here in our country Ramsey Clark a famous attorney general was just up on the podium here

20:33 speaking about what's been happening, what has been going on. The growing militarization of our local police departments and federal patrols. The thin blue line that euphemism really means militarized tactics in our local police and we hear about it more and more in the mainstream media Secretary of Defense William Cohen just short time ago announced on CNN that they're gonna create 10 regional teams to work with local law enforcement under FEMA It is totally unconstitutional And yes they do wear black And I think it's very scary that people in black uniforms, wearing black ski masks are trading with semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons. Local law enforcement centers are being given free federal helicopters and armored personnel carriers and weapons

21:17 When you see this growing in our nation, you can see that the disparity between rich and poor is getting larger and larger. You can really tell that the corporate establishment is engaging more and more criminality And they're the real group who's getting all of the corporate welfare So I would just say to everybody out there it's time for a information revolution It's time to quit trusting mainstream media But you need to support indefendent filmmakers, people that are putting out documentaries and information. Because if we don't the pendulum is gonna continue to swing towards authoritarian command and control. We're gonna be in a lot of trouble. I've got five. On April 19th fire took the lives of Apollo.

22:23 Janelle on Friday, United States. Jennifer on Friday, United States. Aldrich Rick George Bennett, England. Susan Betta, England. Mary Jean Morris, United States. Kavlin Cohen, Israel. Abigail Oluwadamil Davies, Nigeria, England. Sherry Elena Doyle, United States

23:06 Beverly Elliot Inglewood Norris Bacon Jamaica Inglewood Beth Bacon Jamaica Inglewood Lisa Marie Ferris United States First Precinct, Illinois. Sandra Ariel Donna Henry-Inglewood Alshna Henry-Inglewood Phillip Henry Inglewood

23:49 Stephen Henry, England. Noah Henry, New York. Bob Lennon and Claire Kitcher, Canada. Floyd Houghton, United States. Terry Jewel, Massachusetts. Cyrus Howell-Perette, Massachusetts. David Perette, Massachusetts. Rachel Olivia Sandoz Jones-Howell-Perette, Massachusetts

26:05 Isaiah Taco Berrios, United States. Joseph Samuel Martinez, United States. Juliet Satoyo, United States. John Mark McBean, Jamaica England. Ellison Bernadette Monbelli, England. Melissa Morrison, England. Rosemary Morrison, England. Sonia Murray, England. Teresa Nobrega, England

26:51 James Jimmy Lloyd Riddle, United States. Rebecca Sophia Newsingle, New Zealand. Judith Schneider, United States. Lina Schneider, United States. Steven Schneider, United States. Clifford Sellers, New Zealand. Flora Cita Sanobi Scott Ojiro Sanobi, United States. Aisha Garbus Summers, Australia

27:33 Startle Summers, United States. Unnamed abortus Theta Summers, United States. Gregory Alex Summers, United States. Hollywood Sylvia, United States. Lorraine Sylvia England, United States. Rachel Sylvia, United States. Margarita Vallega China, United States D.L.Vallega, New Zealand United States Mark Wendell, United States There are a couple of survivors who have died since 1993 We have stones here for them and flowers They will be placed over here later James Lauder, United States He passed away November 25th 1996

28:48 Jamie Martin, United States. Jamie passed away February the 11th of this year We have also a number of survivors that are still in prison and I'd like to tell you about each one of them. Rinas Abram born February 26 1964 he's a British businessman and musician of Greek heritage He joined the division of Dominion at 9pm at Leatherworth Kansas. I can tell now, look at what some of the guards did. And that's why he is now in Oklahoma City during that investigation. His life could be in danger if he left there. And so we believe that some of them straight documents. Livingston and Bacon just had a very, very tough five years as they all have. But Livingston won't play their games.

29:55 has been put outside to cool you down in the winter and then put in a cold cell with nothing on it because he just refused to play any of their games. Those are the men that are in prison, and if you'd like to write them we have the addresses available where they all are I'm sure that they love to hear from ya. We bow our heads just for a minute or so today Feel free to come in and look through the museum. It'll get larger, there will be more here as time goes by. Thank you very much for coming today.

31:34 Wes is taller than Jeff right now. He's walking in the hole. Oops! Say that mr.. Ritter. How we do it? We doing what we ever I bet you don't remember me from Dallas Jeff Davis Oh Jeff your Boston

32:29 I'm always here. I come from Missouri every year. Good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too. So what's going on in Austin? I'm trying to get back but i can't set my house. You probably couldn't recognize me with all this attire and... He's undercover! How many of you came up did you come up on the bus? No a couple of people. I got in here yesterday afternoon. And, I stayed here on the grounds right over there last night. Let me give you our number man... She used to be active in the community. Yeah, didn't she? You were one of the first ones that ever told me about the conspiracy thing! Yeah! I looked at ya like what conspiracy?! Cause' you look awful familiar. Is she on your show Jeff sometimes? Or when you came to a memorial? That's how I got the... I've been here before but uh

33:18 What happened there anymore? She's actually I think maybe the first one to tell me about the conspiracy in a libertarian meeting. I look at it When you got going up there, and you got any you've got any activities going after no yeah, they're bringing I'm sorry. Well, I'm from Dallas and I used to be in the real estate business up there and came to Austin and get some stuff done so everybody that's here is part of a seminar we're doing down there every month. I went to a private property rights meeting in Columbia Missouri which was good. Oh go ahead. No one from my area would go there

33:55 I mean how serious stuff is being heard? Well Dallas is going to have one of our seminars up there. We're gonna do Houston and San Antonio, we're bringing them up there but we need some contacts. You got any contacts that we can work with? About what kind of thing you mean? To bring some seminars up Not in Joplin. It's so brain dead I wouldn't want to sit there. How about Tulsa? There are a lot of places where you can get sex love. They go bowling and they go to their church service. Don't confuse me with the facts, right? They don't want to look! They're waiting for the rapture. I've got it, I sell it! They don't want to look at it. They don't wanna see it? They don't wanna see it. Try it. They wait for the rapture. They don't think they'll be involved because of the raptures coming before them. The Chinese church believed that up until 1949 when they were wronged. You need to come down there and do an interview with us, talk to him, tell him how to talk about it. We need women you know... Because women don't listen to men

34:53 Well, you need her to come down. See I was telling them about the rapture and she said it's Chinese churchy. There are no questions just tell your wife that you're here for a good reason. Hi who is she? I'm Sarah Lowe. It's very nice to meet you. Archie's wife. We were on Jeff's show one time right? Yes. Oh okay, you told me earlier. Let the wife speak. Because we couldn't vote a few years ago.

35:34 Well, she's getting some stuff done. Jeff is working with her now to do something and she has a story. She was at the ASAP program. The forensic program down there... She's also working on the water canon and other stuff too so... I got out of that. I'm for president! Are we going to eat? We're restaurant eating. What's the name of that restaurant? I don't know. By the river, they carry waterfronts? They're nasty up there. I'd love to go and get a shot of pie. I really don't... I have Mexican food. He's got it. Let's give him about 50 cents back! Bring out our patrol car. Alright thanks. You know there aint no more but abortion swabs

36:32 as sheep take it to the slaughter. That's American. We know what's right, right? I'm shocked at all the communication we've got out there. There is a real chance in this world of getting something done. Here in America you have the hottest thing that has ever happened. Yeah, take it my picture. Oh yeah, well I don't know if I should or not. Go for it! Sure! They're like wait on there and then... If you put the word in any way, you get an opportunity to speak. Speak with me.

37:20 Mike's moving very forward, very strong in his direction right there. We want a new Def Devy show up there and we're doing some promotions right now to try to get him on the air, get him into speaking engagements, get him into activity going on out there. Alex is back online 100%. Everybody's moving in the right direction again. family things every now and then like we all do, right? We get it done. The whole deal is no matter what we're doing, we all move in the same direction. We always keep a door open for anybody. No matter what happens, we all keep the door open for everybody. All of us.

37:57 Should I say that I'm ashamed of what the government did or what happened? You follow along with what they ask. Well, let's say... They said one question to the other and was like What do you think out here? And I'd say well, I think it's tragic when the government... Infuriated the old local rep at the UN Cooksey, Frank Cooksey our old mayor he got some ties with getting us thrown off the air, and getting that access limit what we can say and show. the credentials of the people who are coming forward and talking about this stuff. It's just incredible! Austin is our capital too, I'm telling you. Have you seen us? Our thumb scanning deal? We did a big thumb scanning protest. That was real exciting. It was huge we went down and Alex says he brought eight forms of identification his old driver's license birth certificates things that... Passport

37:20 Mike's moving very forward, very strong in his direction right there. We want a new Def Devy show up there and we're doing some promotions right now to try to get him on the air, get him into speaking engagements, get him into activity going on out there. Alex is back online 100%. Everybody's moving in the right direction again. family things every now and then like we all do, right? We get it done. The whole deal is no matter what we're doing, we all move in the same direction. We always keep a door open for anybody. No matter what happens, we all keep the door open for everybody. All of us.

37:57 Should I say that I'm ashamed of what the government did or what happened? You follow along with what they ask. Well, let's say... They said one question to the other and was like What do you think out here? And I'd say well, I think it's tragic when the government... Infuriated the old local rep at the UN Cooksey, Frank Cooksey our old mayor he got some ties with getting us thrown off the air, and getting that access limit what we can say and show. the credentials of the people who are coming forward and talking about this stuff. It's just incredible! Austin is our capital too, I'm telling you. Have you seen us? Our thumb scanning deal? We did a big thumb scanning protest. That was real exciting. It was huge we went down and Alex says he brought eight forms of identification his old driver's license birth certificates things that... Passport

39:02 That already has a... I know, when i got my latest driver's license they needed the thumbprint. Meekly, I went ahead and gave it to him because I figured Well I did too but that was couple years ago That won't happen again But he brought also anyway He brought all this down says um I'm uh I've never been in jail This is who I am I would like you get my driver's license All of us were crammed into that DPS office There's never been A situation I don't think like the DPS office They were surprised Ever Yeah They behaved very well They're real Professional about it. They were, now I can't say the same thing for the Austin PD later. They were pretty funny! He says he refuses to leave until he gets his driver's license without thumbscreening him. While he was standing there they're telling him you know well...

39:44 I'll get you a chair. They said at first you can stay here all day, and he says oh well You mean you mean five o'clock? You guys are gonna lock me up. He says no I want my ID now so they arrested him on the spot But not before he could pass out the federal registry where Bill Clinton has already asked for blood and urine to get a driver's license No Yes Yes, and so all this was filmed. Everybody came down and filmed it. Everybody had cameras? Yeah everybody was in the DPS I was hollering at the sheriff's department pleading with them. I didn't want to be negative towards them, but I wanted to plead with them just to stand up for all the blood that was shed for us to be free and what they do... They were real polite! They just kind of stood and watched it did their job but they didn't really harass us and finally when they arrested Alex we sang the Star Spangled Banner while he pulled him back and everything. Was there media? Yes regular media showed like maybe

40:40 minute of what happened outside and one girl coming out and saying seems kind of weird that everybody's talking about this. with our banners and everything. Didn't show any of that. Then they took him out the back instead of taking to the front to go to police station, he tried to pull the old switcheroo on us and uh they took them down at Austin Police Department We had the building surrounded though I don't know what Alex plans on doing with that but Yeah, that's all over the internet too. It's unreal isn't it? That we live in a country that we thought was free. Incredible! But now they want us to give out blood and urine... ...to get a driver's license. That is in the federal registry right now. I will not take that. Oh but that's not good enough. Now we're going to have to have a federal ID card you know about that. And of course that's gonna have thumb scan and blood and urine eventually

41:38 What does a Nazi say? Show me your papers please? The appropriate papers and then you can go. Then you're free to go. They are going to set about conditions such that if people are not religiously correct, I think and if they're not politically correct but I think the religious element will become more profound than if your not religiously correct then you don't have a right to buy yourself or you won't have a right to exist Sure, you'd be a terrorist Well, I went down on that same day and said I don't want a license to drive So that I can buy and sell cash checks like this show proof who I am they said you still have the phone I Said but I'm not driving. I just want you to have a thumbs down and eventually also at two beautiful year So there he was that blood when is that going to take effect? I don't know what the set date is for it I have it at my house, and I just I can tell you but I betcha

42:31 And that was put through via an executive order? Yeah. Well, the same way we got thumbscanned... That was an executive order? I believe so, yes. See that's another thing the media just totally is asleep upon. Number one, I don't believe the president should have the power of executive orders anyway Right. I think there has been more executive orders in this this term than any other. I hear through the Patriot different sources that you hear about them but i've never gone to the law library and actually found them, I understand you can do that and see em actually Oh you need to see Ted Gunderson's chronicles it's incredible Alex has been showing him

43:08 I don't even know where to begin with that. The establishment of concentration camps, the warrantless searches... just all the executive orders you ever wanted to bring totalitarianism to the United States is incredible There was a video advertising Spotlight, they were wanting 25 bucks for it It compares Hitler's rise, Hitler-style Germany to what is happening now Was it New World Order? I don't think it was people with bone odor. I don't think it was that, that's the name but... It was something about... Rostock County? Nah, that's a book ending. That's a film about Oklahoma City. About them blowing it up and tearing it out in the Rostock. Ah, I don't remember the name of this video. I just saw it on the recent spotlight There are several of those going around right now. Most of them are ones that obviously kept me awake all night. But I'll tell you what man, if there is any way to get over here

44:05 I've got a Texas Best Seminars, you can get all this information. All you ever want to know... Get on down there! All you ever didn't want to know... Yeah, all you ever didn't want to know But i do wanna know what's being done to me and my family Sure, phone scamming? yeah I frankly think if he could be good to head for the hills and be as independent and detached from the system as possible unfortunately I'm not There is a real good friend of mine that's going through D-Tax and thats where Cash basis? Yeah, well that's where you unravel all the secret contracts that we're in with the government to pay taxes and the fact that all of our taxes are voluntary. And come into a contract with them through papers that we sign unknowingly thinking it is mandatory but its voluntary just like social security is voluntary You don't have to have a card or number

44:57 How do you get out of it? First, you write them a letter asking if it's voluntary. Then they send it back to you. I've seen for myself because Jeff got it. Then you see for yourself where this is highlighted that this is voluntary. You use that and send them official affidavits to two or three places in Washington and Baltimore. You're out. Some people have actually collected the money that they've paid in already, yeah. I'm very resentful of the fact that I am paying more Social Security than I am income tax. Let me give you a number of guys who are doing this. He's totally becoming completely free. He has gotten rid of almost everything! His name is Jeff Contreras

45:39 I'm sure he wouldn't mind me giving you this at all. He's very good! Yeah, 458-4008. 4008 and that's area code Austin? Yeah 512. 512. Let me get my phone because it's just something i need to do. I mean I've been thinking about at least getting out of social security. I don't know about the income tax but is it easier to get out of SS? Everyone shift says you can get out of all that stuff Hey, how you doing? Is that an interview going on? I don't know. Is this your father? No, yeah. Oh thanks! You understand just like Nuremberg Just taking orders doesn't cut it my friend. Do you understand me?!

46:18 I think I've assessed you. Yeah, oh you've assessed me? Assessed! Listen, you can sit there and say some kind of little joke on it All your textbook garbage my friend. I got people like General Partin ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development we know the federal government destroyed Oklahoma It's proven. We know what you guys are engaged in just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag We know you brought Nazis over here through the rat line to set up our CIA after the OSS So you can't sit here, you can assess me all day. I want you to assess me! I've assessed YOU a smiley face slime ball that sits here in soft pedals and tries to placate the media Waco Rules of Engagement shows your agents machine gunning men women and children as they try to exit One of the inventors of Flared Technology worth hundreds of millions of dollars is on that documentary He is of the establishment If you would review the documentary Yeah I'm in the film as well Well yes, I just saw you over here

47:09 I watched the first time it came out. You are back peddling! Yes, that's what I said. Review your own film Yeah but you're saying they had 500 thousand rounds of ammunition? Yes, yes They didn't have five hundred thousand rounds of ammunition, i just talked to Clive Doyle Oh, and Clive is the expert on the total number of pieces of ammo? Yes! Oh he is. Well Clive's the one who invited me here. Well fine. Okay. Well I just hear you over here soft pedaling stuff and I'm sick of it. I don't think...I don't think you understand where I am coming from. I have a story straight. I don't think you have your story straight. No, I think I do have a story straight. I am on your side. I know. I am the one that appeared in Mike McNulty's film. I know, I've seen ya in there. Obviously you don't know my story.

47:57 Until you come back and review the film, then I'll address it. It sounded to me what I heard you saying when you were soft pedaling it. I beg to differ with you my friend. If your trying to enhance your cause in Austin... I'm not trying to enhance anything! Yes you are! I hate this movement! How do you think I feel? I mean, I was here. You weren't! I was part of the negotiation team. You weren't! Yeah... I've heard you on the tapes a lot! Oh, you've heard me on the tapes? Could you tell me what I said on the tapes? Well, it's either you or one of the other gentlemen sits there and says... Wait a minute! No, you said ME! Well, YOU say that there are no weapons matted on the helicopters! I never said that! I never said that!! Look, anybody who is part of the FBI at this time of time... I'm not part of the FBI! I don't work for the FBI anymore! Well, you were!

48:50 Just because I was doesn't mean that I side with everything they think. Everything? Well, I guess Frederick Whitehurst he's a kook too isn't he? I wouldn't call Frederick Whitehurst a kook Yeah one of the heads the FBI crime lab says they manufactured evidence here and all across the board! I didn't say Frederick Whitehurst you're the one who said Frederick Whitehurst Yeah yeah... I'm not that way no i don't uh You completely missed the point You don't even know who I am. You haven't even reviewed Waco, the rules and engagement to know who I am and what I stand for... I have seen Waco! I was there at the premiere in Austin Texas What are you talking about? Well good, you need to go check out the video and look at it again And then come to me with your questions or your statements Are your accusations of soft peddling? Okay that's fine. I think it is soft peddling. I heard enough. I sat over there for about three minutes and listened to you Then you can move on Herman Goring & Drag Oh so you're not calling for Herman Goring & Drag? This garage

49:42 Jimmy you're doing a fantastic job. Meet Jimmy Ritter. I think our bus is waiting on us. She says that David was an excellent senator. I said should Reno be indicted? And he goes, no! Okay... No. Yeah well I said should Reno be indicted and the provocateur agent was out here and all the media was around him sucking up his lies as he walked around the level with all of them. They all committed suicide.

50:41 And that's where he believed that God took him and showed in the book of revelations and showed him that he was a lamb of god. He was the one who supposed to teach him. She didn't seem too much about it when I asked her. She said, I'd be better off asking Claude Doyle about that. But she basically just told me about his childhood. I want to know what you feel like if we killed children? Look at that smirk man! Remember what happened and to continue to ask why. It's an image burned into the memory of America Five years ago today, fire consumes the Mount Carmel Center near Waco with 80 people inside it was a tragic end to a 51 day standoff after federal agents tried to arrest David Koresh on weapons charges In tonight's top story, KB24's Danny Armaciel tells us now that the Davidians have found some unlikely allies for their cause

51:43 The tragic end to the Branch Davidian standoff still takes its toll among the survivors. Sheila Martin and others remember these names as friends, children and spouses. Many times I think of it like I've really been in a continual funeral. It's like I live it every day. There's a new face on the scene of the standoff. Mount Carmel now houses a museum that attracts those searching for the truth behind the tragedy That search has drawn some unlikely supporters We have to engage in this struggle for the duration until it truth is known Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark now represents the surviving Davidians in their wrongful death suit against the government

52:26 It's not a matter of taking sides, it's not the government against the people or the people against the government. The people is government working for the rights of the people. That's where I recovered the majority of the bodies. Barris Rookstool also defends the Davidians All the women and children were kind of huddled up into this corner section. The former FBI agent recovered many of the bodies and gathered evidence after the fire, he says the government mishandled the situation There were major mistakes made in this case not only from how things were handled but also negotiated were affected as in the form of trying to take control of the crime scene. These 82 trees were planted is living memorials to the branch Davidians killed during the standoff and as they continue to grow so does the myth surrounding this siege but maybe in time there'll be a blade truth as to what really happened In Waco, Daniel Mocio KV24 News

53:21 Four ATF agents were also killed during the initial raid on Mount Carmel. Seven branch Davidians are serving terms from 15 to 40 years for either killing those officers or other weapons charges. Today is also... Many Davidians still live on the land and they... Photos of them in Koresh are featured in a museum that opened today. They were there for the right reason, and David was telling them the truth Sheila Martin lost her husband and four children. The pain of knowing that they died so horribly, such a pain of the fire I mean we have dark shoes on in the sun and when our feet start to burn their whole bodies were burning Their whole faces everything... Sheila takes us to the trees that represent her family First she finds the daughter named after her

54:09 She was just 15 and when I think that she's the age that my son died, she would have been 20 this year. Her son Douglas was the spitting image of his father. Sheila reminisces about the good times. Anita used to do her mom's hair. into the ladies room with me, she's fixing it and she goes they won't know who is the mother or the daughter because he was so much taller than I was. And we would joke about things like that gave us a chance to have a good relationship and this is my husband over here. Sheila and Wayne were married for 20 years. When I think of a man in a woman being loved he's only one that I shared my experiences with

54:53 Lisa was just 13. I still think about her a lot, and hear her laugh when my other little girl laughs It's hard for Sheila Martin to visit this land Time hasn't taken the pain away that kind of wound never heals In Waco Susan Rizden News 36 That photo we just showed you of Sheila's family it is the only family picture she has and it will hang at the New Branch Divinium Museum In December in Kyoto, President Clinton has drafted a plan which will cause... You need to be aware of these national groups that are taking over the world. Including the UN, they're controlling the UN and they control everything else. Let's see if we can read some of these. Dallas for people not weapons. No war! We are all Zapatistas

56:06 Stop killing Iraqi people. They asked for my driver's license number, I yelled out in front of the crowd, I said Hillary and it shook them. The planned attack The planned attack on Iraq is a violation of the bomb test. To bomb Iraq right now there is no moral justification, there's no... ...hypocrisy never has been... What you're feeling about it? It's not all about money! No I don't know- well its not all about money, it's all about stupidity. I mean, all Saddam Hussein... There are a few events coming up but I'm a member of the antiwar committee and we're discussing war here

57:01 I'm 46. Thank you, ma'am. No, uniformed police. Escorted out by local law enforcement. Greg I'm sorry. Escorted out by local law enforcement. He didn't race the SWAT team though? A SWAT team. Well let's go on back in there and get him out! One, two, three, four. Stop the sanctions! Stop the war!

57:55 Obviously some kind of intelligence unit. They got real nervous when we went to talk to him and he ran off around behind the building. No, they shouldn't even...they shouldn't do that because it's unnecessary. They are?

58:40 It was? And they'll soon have automatic feed... Hey, I was wondering where that said Mike. We don't have no audio. Thought you weren't gonna make it! Well, let's get him on over here then. Hurry up! Hurry up, Jeffy! Hurry, Jeff! Oh we're doing it right now? Yeah! Things are falling off. Okay folks here we are this is Jeff Davis and the Jeff Davis Show askin' questions, askin' why. Many people payin' attention many now who see the bigger lie folks who want to get praised fear this lies and you notice that it's starting to happen betray their trust you now realize The line's been crossed in the sand and the fire's been fanned all the men can hear the plot that you planned You won't be trusted

59:57 It's too late for you to tell us your sorry, past that point a long time ago. Perpetuating lies and deception the only thing that you seem to know. Thought that you'd be safe in your tower insulated but the truth has undermined your foundation. No! Thought that you see the day that you could just get away from the ones who betrayed, who raised their voices to say

1:00:38 You won't be trusted anymore. Wow! We can't wait for you to start to get honest. We can't wait for you to start to be true. We can't wait for you to finally discover things You did that can be done to you

1:01:48 We can't wait to see the table is turning Forcing you to see the things that you've done. We can't wait for you to face the music Understanding that there's no place to run See their faces turn white as the people unite Watch the roaches take flight As you turn on the light You won't be trusted anymore Okay folks, it's Mike Hanson. Sorry to interrupt you here we're busy in here as you can see we got editing going on previewing over here and We need your help to keep this rolling